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<Skye>
hello?
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<Skye>
i am not good with IRC haha
<Skye>
i came here because i have a question, why is Arch Linux ARM "not recommended"
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<Wubbzy04>
Hello!
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<j`ey>
there was a bug relating to cpufreq on some M2 Max models, so they might actually be faster with a new kernel update :o
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<maz>
j`ey: even when using the performance governor?
<j`ey>
as far as I understand it, it only impacts the case where you have a single thread workload, since it's about the boost states where all the other cores in that cluster have to be at the lowest frequency
<j`ey>
it's about the states themselves, not which governor is being used
<maz>
ah, right. I stick everything to the roof, so not going to benefit from that! ;-)
<j`ey>
if you have the most souped up M2 Max, that has 38 core GPU, it wouldnt affect you. but premsuably you didnt get the 38 core GPU..
<ydalton>
does tinydfr update when you change this file?
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<ydalton>
i'll ask someone i know with a touchbar
<janneg>
there no release with the dynamic updates
<j`ey>
nope, fedora hasnt updated yet
<ChaosPrincess>
ydalton: yes, it tracks it with inotify and should update as soon as you save the file
<ChaosPrincess>
but again, not packaged in fedora yet
<janneg>
even 0.2.0 isn't packaged yet
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<j`ey>
so that works on intel too?
<j`ey>
aditya does intel mac stuff I think
<ChaosPrincess>
yea, its mostly t2 crowd that are driving for new features.
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<ydalton>
ChaosPrincess: nice! thanks for confirming
<ChaosPrincess>
i personally am perfectly fine with just f-keys, but if they want more stuff - sure why not
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<ydalton>
i think they want something more like what macOS does
<ChaosPrincess>
i can only say "good luck"
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<janneg>
implementing that with rewriting the config file seems a bad idea
<ChaosPrincess>
yes
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<ChaosPrincess>
the "correct" way would be to expose some a d-bus endpoint to change what is there
<ChaosPrincess>
or have wayland-compositor-lite and have apps draw widgets themselves
<kidplayer666>
the whole tiny-dfr config is only on tiny-dfr 2.0, right?
<ChaosPrincess>
yes
<kidplayer666>
fedora still ain't got it :P
<ChaosPrincess>
but the quotes around correct are doing a lot of work there, apple killed the feature, and gl getting third party devs to support it in any way.
<ChaosPrincess>
at best it will be the same as the stupid oem "value-add" features in x86-land, just fancy app launchers or media controls
<sven>
even Apple didn’t manage to get third party apps to use it, did they?
<kidplayer666>
ChaosPrincess: I just wanted the access to the config to get a proper delete key
<ChaosPrincess>
aye.
<kidplayer666>
sven: they kinda did
<kidplayer666>
only some
<ChaosPrincess>
kidplayer666: come to gentoo, we have the ebuild :P
<kidplayer666>
office and adobe stuff i think is fine
<kidplayer666>
ChaosPrincess: I am fine
<kidplayer666>
compiled enough things for today
<kidplayer666>
had to compile a PROLOG interpreter/compiler
<ChaosPrincess>
for macos - i got a j314 for my 2nd arm mac and the only touchbar-releated thing im missing is the ability to respond to "yes/no" dialogs from the kb.
<ChaosPrincess>
rest of it - good riddance, hardware f-keys on a laptop are great
<kidplayer666>
fair enough
<kidplayer666>
some people really liked it tho
<j`ey>
really? :P
<kidplayer666>
and on the pro lineup there was space
<kidplayer666>
for an frow and a touch bar
<kidplayer666>
apparently artests
<ydalton>
i have two classmates with the touchbar, they both like it lmao
<kidplayer666>
yep
<kidplayer666>
my father also likes it a lot
<kidplayer666>
he bought the pro just for the touchbar
<kidplayer666>
because it would feel like a downgrade from the 2016 macbook pro
<ydalton>
if there was a midnight macbook pro with touchbar i would have gotten that
<ChaosPrincess>
i tried to get it to do something useful (in x86 times) in that i wrote a "macro" thing that put the ability bar for a certain mmo i was playing then on the touchbar. It ended up being a stupid idea :P
<nicolas17>
<sven> even Apple didn’t manage to get third party apps to use it, did they?
<nicolas17>
the documentation reader built into Xcode shows an empty touchbar, it doesn't even have a back button
<kidplayer666>
they got some though
<kidplayer666>
not a lot
<sven>
lol
<kidplayer666>
firefox had a nice implementation
<kidplayer666>
allowed you to customise the buttons
<kidplayer666>
even the size i think
<nicolas17>
then again it doesn't support using trackpad swipe to go back like web browsers do, either
<kidplayer666>
it does???
<ydalton>
firefox does
<nicolas17>
kidplayer666: I mean the Xcode documentation reader
<nicolas17>
Firefox does
<kidplayer666>
wdym??
<ydalton>
oh
<ChaosPrincess>
i think basically everything that supports touchbar allowed to change the button set on it.
<kidplayer666>
ah
<ChaosPrincess>
that menu is a standard cocoa widget iirc
<ChaosPrincess>
the api allowed you to declare what buttons you want to support, and the toolkit figured out the rest
<kidplayer666>
oh nice
<nicolas17>
in fact I think you *can't* implement that kind of editor yourself :P
<nicolas17>
you have to use the system editor
<ChaosPrincess>
you can, sorta, have your own editor view, and then change the list of the buttons you give to the system
<ChaosPrincess>
but true, the toolkit makes it awkward to implement stuff that is different from what macos does
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<nicolas17>
making a list of buttons that you select? sure
<nicolas17>
but drag and drop buttons from the main screen into the touch bar seems like a huge pain to implement yourself
<ChaosPrincess>
yep
<leio>
I wouldn't be able to use my desktop without a F row (too used to some modifier + F1..F4 changing workspaces)
<leio>
should we start with tiny-dfr for a main ::gentoo integration spree? ;)
<ChaosPrincess>
leio: gen 1 touchbars had the freaking esc key on it, imagine the pain of vim users :P
<ChaosPrincess>
and imagine the pain of using that kb at all, the keyboards on those machines were atrocious
<leio>
I think I've touched an apple laptop keyboard for about 2 minutes total
<ChaosPrincess>
i had that stupid machine as my work-issued laptop for like a year+, i have _issues_ with whoever designed it. :)
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<ydalton>
ChaosPrincess: completely agreed, i couldn't bear that keyboard, it felt like i was pressing thin buttons or something
<ydalton>
at least this one that i'm using is decent
<kidplayer666>
ChaosPrincess: not to forget
<kidplayer666>
they made the cable too short
<kidplayer666>
for the display
<kidplayer666>
so a lot of them freaking died
<kidplayer666>
and took them a while to start an extended warranty
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<kidplayer666>
leio: pardon sir. I’ll try not to blast your speakers with the notification sounds :P
<ChaosPrincess>
don't blame zoomers on using linebreaks as punctuation, i've seen 50 year old guys do it too :P
<kidplayer666>
Yay, I got my back covered
<alyssa>
i remember being on irc in middle school
<nicolas17>
yesterday I found that the guy who wrote pypush (Python re-implementation of APNS/iMessage) hadn't been born yet when the original iPhone was announced
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