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<ConditionBoy> do nightlies not come with a python interpreter?
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<nephele[m]> not sure, i don't think we need python for the base?
<ConditionBoy> well, you need it to configure the dev environment
<ConditionBoy> just thought it was strange that the rc came with python, but the nightly didn't
<ConditionBoy> hello again, by the way, you beautiful people
<nephele[m]> i think you need bash for the dev env, not python
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<ConditionBoy> well ./configure in the root source tree doesn't work without python
<nephele[m]> huh, that seems like a bit of a wierd dep, seems you are correct (though i dont see any direct calls to it in the script)
<nephele[m]> you dont need to use configure on 32bit haiku though
<nephele[m]> err, nvm, you only dont need the buildtools
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<ConditionBoy> by the way, haiku appears to be way more stable with virtualbox than it was with virt-manager
<ConditionBoy> virt-manager is just awful to use anyway, don't know why i went that route setting up haiku last time
<ConditionBoy> never again
<nephele[m]> bug report would be neat, perhaps it can safe a future user :p
<ConditionBoy> yeah i'm working my way up to it
<nephele[m]> personally i want to improve hyper-v, but maybe someone wants to work on virt manager
<ConditionBoy> the barrier to entry is fairly high with everything going on
<ConditionBoy> at least trying to get into it all at once
<ConditionBoy> what's hyper-v?
<nephele[m]> hyper-v is the native hypervisor of microsoft windows
<ConditionBoy> oh
<ConditionBoy> yay
<ConditionBoy> finally got all my work moved from virt-manager setup to virtualbox setup
<ConditionBoy> fingers crossed i'll actually be able to commit stuff this time!
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<ConditionBoy> review.haiku-os.org still doesn't work in webpositive
<ConditionBoy> in fact, there seems to have been some regression in webpositive
<ConditionBoy> pastebin no longer works
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<nephele[m]> conditionboy: gerrit not working is known
<nephele[m]> for pastebin.. no idea, i avoid that site because of its horrible usability
<ConditionBoy> what's so unusable about it?
<ConditionBoy> i'm not the world's most prolific user of web-based text-pasting workflow paradigms
<nephele[m]> I use nc to paste stuff, i dont like the representation of pastebin pastes, their layout makes it harder to use
<nephele[m]> havent realy used it in quite some years though
<ConditionBoy> so how do you keep up with gerrit?
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<PulkoMandy> there are no regressions (or updates, for that matter) in webpositive
<PulkoMandy> the code shipped in the repos has no changed for a year
<PulkoMandy> but the web keeps moving on
<PulkoMandy> and the current version of gerrit apparently uses some javascript things that were not yet implemented or not enabled in the versions of webkit currently used
<PulkoMandy> one option would be to use a non-web-based way to access gerrit, such as gertty which is a ncurses based client for it. But no one has packaged a current version of that in haiku yet
<PulkoMandy> in my case I just do gerrit work (and more and more things as times goes by 😕 ) on another computer not running Haiku...
<nephele[m]> conditionboy: i am unable to review stuff on gerrit anyway :(, i currently use firefox on ios to check it
<nephele[m]> safari on ios doesnt work either, i think we should patch gertit so it works though...
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<ConditionBoy> PulkoMandy, nephele[m]: why is gerrit so picky about how it works?
<PulkoMandy> it's largely developed by Google and people at Google don't know how to do web things and instead do Chrome-specific things?
<PulkoMandy> or maybe they know but they don't want to
<PulkoMandy> and I'm not sure if the particular bug we're having was reported to them
<PulkoMandy> so they don't know, and if they don't know, it's unlikely they will fix it
<ConditionBoy> huh
<ConditionBoy> i didn't realise it was a google thing
<ConditionBoy> that seems to be their mo, though
<ConditionBoy> making as much of the internet as possible run on google, i mean
<ConditionBoy> do i remember you saying you were the one who was working on the notifications?
<ConditionBoy> if so, could you point me toward where it sits in the source tree so i can swap thew positions of the controls to submit for a patch?
<ConditionBoy> i'm gearing up to submit my proposed appmenubar and some edited apps for review, but i'm feeling a bit gunshy
<ConditionBoy> in the meantime, i feel like the notification control thing would be a nice small, uncontroversial contribution
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<nephele[m]> ui changes can always be controversial ;p
<extrowerk> notification control? This is new to me, care to elaborate?
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<nephele[m]> extrowerk: button position on notifications
<ConditionBoy> i mean, i guess
<ConditionBoy> but this one seems pretty obvious
<ConditionBoy> extrowerk: just saying that the close button for notifications should be on the left so as to be consistent with window controls
<ConditionBoy> was going to do the same thing for tab controls in webpositive
<ConditionBoy> but the way those are being managed and drawn is kind of strange
<ConditionBoy> on top of which, i think there is a much more drastic ui overhaul due for that one
<ConditionBoy> so after i'm more greased up with haiku dev, i'm hoping i can team up with the web+ guy and really get something cool cooking
<PulkoMandy> it's in https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/src/servers/notification probably in NotificationView.cpp somewhere
<ConditionBoy> nice
<ConditionBoy> thanks
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<ConditionBoy> i imagine that, like tracker, there is going to be a bit of a specialised approach to actually viewing changes i make to the notifications on my system?
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<nephele[m]> conditionboy: the web+ "guy" would be pulkomandy :p
<nephele[m]> (there have been severall people working on it, you can certainly improve the UI a bit)
<ConditionBoy> oh, word
<ConditionBoy> nice
<PulkoMandy> I did not do a lot on Web+ itself actually
<PulkoMandy> I work on the WebKit port but not on the UI part of Web+
<nephele[m]> didnt you initially create it?
<PulkoMandy> no
<nephele[m]> then i misremembered, sorry
<PulkoMandy> I also did not start the webkit port
<PulkoMandy> the webkit port pre-dates my involvement in haiku, even
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<PulkoMandy> it was started I think by ryan leavengood, and made usable by MAxime Simon (GSoC 2010 student) and the browser was later on improved by stippi a bit
<PulkoMandy> then it was left unmaintained in 2012-13 and I worked full time in 2014 on updating webkit to then current versions from upstream
<PulkoMandy> and since then trying to keep that up to date
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<nephele[m]> I looked into webkitpy for upstreaming, there are some things i don't understand, what could be a good way to send questions about that?
<nephele[m]> would git patch in an email with comments be fine for you? (assuming you would be willing to help explain some stuff)
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<roiredX> good day
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<countryboy> hi
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<pengphei> hello all
<roiredX> hi there pengphei
<pengphei> My computer is burned with its power adaptor, it's still broken ;)
<pengphei> :(
<roiredX> time to renew? :D
<pengphei> I have called the support, it will need time to work on haiku porting
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<Vidrep_64> Hi
<Vidrep_64> We have a regression that I'd like to bring to your attention https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/16999
<ConditionBoy> Vidrep_64: hello
<ConditionBoy> pengphei: what are you porting haiku to?
<pengphei> it's arm for qemu
<ConditionBoy> nice
<Vidrep_64> Intel N3700 based system. Anyboot iso written to USB thumb drive fails to boot past "chip" icon. hrev54571 and earlier working. hrev54575 and later not working. Updating hrev54571 to current nightly results in no boot condition.
<Vidrep_64> Ho ConditionBoy
<Vidrep_64> Hi
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<psydroid> I have had that problem since late September, so I still boot to the revision from then
<Vidrep_64> psydroid, yup that's the timeframe alright - September 2020
<Vidrep_64> Maybe add a comment to the ticket
<psydroid> but if you are still having issues with the latest iso images a reinstall probably wouldn't help either
<Vidrep_64> hrev54571 is the latest working image still available. If I update to current, then it won't boot as described in the ticket
<nephele[m]> this maybe?
<Vidrep_64> That's what I suspect
<Vidrep_64> kallisti5
<roiredX> bye all
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<Vidrep_64> bbl
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<kallisti5[m]> vidrep_64: odd. I actually did notice that behaviour change, but it was related to another change
<kallisti5[m]> (scouring logs... sec)
<PulkoMandy> I would suspect any of the 3 other changes in that range before this one
<kallisti5[m]> vidrep_64: ok. The other three aren't relevant
<kallisti5[m]> to confirm... you tested hrev54571 as working 100% across multiple boots from EFI on a local filesystem?
<kallisti5[m]> also.. i'm seeing two different issues tracked in https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/16999
<kallisti5[m]> "boot menu always appears first when BOOTx64.EFI is installed to a disk"
<kallisti5[m]> "latest nightly never boots past chip icon"
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<countryboy> hi
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<pengphei> I got this when compiling arm with the latest code warning: build_packages/gcc_syslibs_devel-8.3.0_2019_05_24-1-arm/develop/lib/libsupc++-kernel.a(class_type_info.o) uses 4-byte wchar_t yet the output is to use 2-byte wchar_t; use of wchar_t values across objects may fail
<B2IA> (Butler) Welcome to BeShare.agmsmith.ca.
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<countryboy> not to box the soul: not bebox but beosbox => so you have a box running beos => beosbox xD
<countryboy> it was too compressed xD
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<countryboy> i apologize : beshare => beosShare ...
<countryboy> i apologize : bebox => beosbox ...
<countryboy> xD
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<countryboy> haikushare ... haikubox ...
<countryboy> haiku_windows ... haiku_textbox ...
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<bbjimmy> recent haiku conversations: http://fatelk.com/haiku
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<AlwaysLivid> huh, i fail to see the point in this
<AlwaysLivid> pushing the fact that i am a moderator aside (aka. my skepticism =/= disapproval on behalf of #haiku): we already have whitequark offering logs, why is publishing logs in a source that doesn't, say, even offer https necessary?
<bbjimmy> it is easier than looking at all the log-in and log-out notifications to catch up on a recent conversation.
<AlwaysLivid> entering the ip directly redirects me to some weird website called http://coquillemartialarts.com/
<AlwaysLivid> wait, is all of that yours?
<bbjimmy> this is just a recent rtunkated log only showing posts and drops off older posts as it updates.
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<bbjimmy> coquille martial arts is my business, fatelk is my hoby.
<AlwaysLivid> ohhhhhh
<bbjimmy> bbjimmy = black belt jimmy
<AlwaysLivid> i shall not question you anymore in any way whatsoever out of fear
<bbjimmy> hahahahaha
<bbjimmy> :)
<AlwaysLivid> :')
<AlwaysLivid> got a bit confused there and i was like "is this some webhost-related blunder where they assign multiple hosts to a specific IP and when you visit the IP, it just redirects you to one of them?
<AlwaysLivid> and then i was like, 'wait, i think i recognize the name' or something and was like 'wait was i supposed to say this' (if not, i can get it removed from the logs)
<AlwaysLivid> (and apologies in advance)
<bbjimmy> the ip is my home computer, fatelk.com is on a web host
<bbjimmy> I use my home computer for some coquillemartialarts stuff as well.
<AlwaysLivid> same, i self-host my stuff too
<AlwaysLivid> (i know this is unsolicited but not using https is pretty bad for SEO though and one of the first changes i've made when i tried to improve the presence of some businesses is that, basically)
<bbjimmy> https works as well. https://fatelk.com/haiku
<bbjimmy> I just fgorget to type the s
<AlwaysLivid> yeah, the solution to that is redirecting people from the http site to https
<AlwaysLivid> which helps, because many resources across the web may link to the http version
<bbjimmy> https does not work for my home computer.
<AlwaysLivid> not sure how the search engines operate in that regard
<AlwaysLivid> huh, how come? bbjimmy
<bbjimmy> it is not registered. don't know how to set it up and not require the user to accept the key.
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<AlwaysLivid> if you need help with that by any chance (not sure if i can help but i can try), feel free to PM me
<bbjimmy> not woried ,,, all the stuff here is public info anyway.
<Vidrep_64> kallisti5, yeah you're right. Two separate issues.
<AlwaysLivid> (if you're referring to the help stuff, i'm just saying this because this is probably getting way too off-topic, probably even for #haiku-offtopic)
<AlwaysLivid> if not, yup, go tit
<AlwaysLivid> *got it.
<Vidrep_64> I'm in the process of trying to track down when the boot menu issue first appeared
<Vidrep_64> Also, I've had a couple of crashes for "First Boot Prompt"
<Vidrep_64> That appeared suddenly while bisecting
<AlwaysLivid> Vidrep_64, this may be relevant to a change I made back in October 2020.
<Vidrep_64> Related to the second issue or not??? Not sure.
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<Vidrep_64> The booting to desktop issue and first boot prompt lies somewhere between hrev54558 and hrev54571
<Diver> Vidrep_64: hi, ticket number?
<extrowerk> kallisti5[m]: i use this repos since some weeks: http://0x0.st/-Lun.txt
<extrowerk> Is any of this ipfs?
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<Vidrep_64> I have it narrowed down a little more. Haiku boots to desktop with hrev54558 and earlier, and I get a boot menu with a debugger report starting with hrev54669.
<Vidrep_64> If I insert USB drive with hrev54558 and use that to boot, it goes straight to the desktop
<Vidrep_64> I suspect hrev54560 or hrev54561 to be the commit that's causing the problem I see
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<Vidrep_64> To clarify my earlier statement: If I insert USB drive with hrev54558 and use that to boot hrev54569 then it boots to the desktop, otherwise I get a boot menu
<Vidrep_64> Hi Diver
<Vidrep_64> It looks like there's two separate regressions between hrev54558 and hrev54575
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<Vidrep_64> kallisti5, ticket for second issue created https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/17004
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