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<IIsiHaiku> Yey, network.
<IIsiHaiku> Somehow multiple Haiku installs and three Raspberry Pi-s can ping and traceroute, but can't connect to IRC or load any webpages except the nearest router's config.
<IIsiHaiku> Thought I had tested them all, but this one works.
<IIsiHaiku> Doesn't mean I don't have a network config problem somewhere, but now my working set is '(Android Haiku-hrev52936 MacOSX-mojave Solus-linux Windows).
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<nephele[m]> sounds like dns to me
<AlwaysLivid> i don't know what this conversation is about because i just reconnected
<AlwaysLivid> all i know, however, is that "it's always dns"
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<nephele[x]> supposedly so, alwayslivid
<nephele[x]> KDE plasma has release videos for each new version, tried to watch the latest one but got really sick to my stomach from the editing .-.
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<mattlacey> nephele[m]: I think I know which video you mean - saw it the other day and it left me not wanting to look any further
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<mattlacey> dumb question but are all the [m]s representing matrix users?
<jadedctrl> mattlacey: yea, it's from the bridge
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<nephele[x]> yes, but the x is not an m ;)
<nephele[x]> [m] is what the matrix bridge picks per default, one can also change what it should pick from the matrix side, but this is quite badly conveyed to the user
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<AlwaysLivid> hm, could we achieve reproducible builds if we had the CI share configuration options/checksums/git revisions alongside with each build in the nightly download page?
<AlwaysLivid> nevermind, no, because the hosted .hpkg's also change, despite the fact that we also do the same there
<AlwaysLivid> so we'd have to pin specific versions of packages as well...
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<nephele[m]> reproduceable build does not have to imply identical packages
<nephele[m]> just same content
<nephele[m]> alwayslivid: reproduceable builds is basically about removing variance in builds, ignoring more variables: for example not using the output of a seeded randomizer, not using system time (build time stamp) etc
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<AlwaysLivid> nephele[m], nightly images come with a variety of packages. using a different version of the packages changes the checksum and makes the builds non-reproducible within a short period of time in the future, right?
<AlwaysLivid> i am definitely positive that we do have that sort of variance present in many different places across haiku though
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<nephele[m]> I am not too familiar with how the buid picks packages now, but i thought their versions are fixed, or is that only for the brta?
<AlwaysLivid[m]> i mean, if i choose to build a nightly build from a very specific version of the tree before beta1, i won't be able to see how haiku precisely was like around that time unless if i find that specific iso
<nephele[m]> why?
<AlwaysLivid[m]> because haiku only keeps the most recent builds from the master version of haikuports and the branched versions, if i recall correctly?
<AlwaysLivid[m]> unless if i'm completely wrong about this, which i likely am
<nephele[m]> there is a different repo for buildpackages afaik
<AlwaysLivid[m]> as in haikuports.cross?
<AlwaysLivid[m]> yeah, sorry, mixed my words up
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<nephele[x]> not sure alwayslivid :), as i said i am not that familiar with it
<AlwaysLivid[m]> some basic things are cross-compiled (if compiled using a different host system other than haiku) using recipes under https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports.cross
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<AlwaysLivid[m]> some other packages are fetched from haiku servers and shoved into the image
<nephele[x]> yes, but this isnt about crosscompilation
<AlwaysLivid[m]> yes, it's about the latter packages
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<Not-5835> [haiku/website] kallisti5 pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://git.io/JniQR
<Not-5835> [haiku/website] jt15s 4c02cbe - Create 2021-06-14_haiku_r1beta3_timeline_approved.md (#518)
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<kallisti5[m]> [Announce] R1/Beta3 has been branched
<AlwaysLivid> :D
<nielx[m]> Hurray!
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<ClaudioM> \o/
<kallisti5[m]> powering up builders now now
<nephele[m]> it's been 10 minutes and we still don't have an updated webkit
* kallisti5[m] begins to weep
<Not-5835> [haiku/website] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±29] https://git.io/JnipI
<Not-5835> [haiku/website] panos 59a9861 - Revamping the website, part 2 (#512)
<countryboy> love youuu ;-)
<Not-5835> [haiku/website-inc] kallisti5 pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/JnPvw
<Not-5835> [haiku/website-inc] panos fc48c6a - Replaced Freenode reference with OFTC
<Not-5835> [haiku/website-inc] kallisti5 dd2f39d - Merge pull request #15 from panos/oftc
<countryboy> great kallisti5[m] : irc reference ;-) usefull
<AlwaysLivid> my thunder has been stolen
<countryboy> AlwaysLivid: could i pray ?
<nephele[m]> alwayslivid: that's what you grt for using multiple nicknames :)
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<AlwaysLivid> ./whois AlwaysLivid :<
<nephele[m]> Does that return github usernames?
<AlwaysLivid> it sure does return mine :3
<AlwaysLivid> :D
<nephele[m]> If i used irc maybe :)
<AlwaysLivid[m]> is this any better, then? :D
<nephele[m]> I didnt even know pw was a tld
<AlwaysLivid> now you know ^-^
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<Not-5835> [haiku/website-inc] anevilyak pushed 3 commits to master [+0/-0/±13] https://git.io/JnPLm
<Not-5835> [haiku/website-inc] panos 1882600 - Replaced most HTTP links with HTTPS
<Not-5835> [haiku/website-inc] panos 9b22593 - Updated Flattr button to HTTPS
<Not-5835> [haiku/website-inc] anevilyak c65dc31 - Merge pull request #17 from panos/change-to-https
<ritz[m]> Hi! I'm trying to run haiku review tool on my machine so I have cloned this repo https://github.com/owenca/haiku-format that is linked in haiku's website and ran both build.sh and install.sh but I'm not sure what to do next. Can somebody help me out?
<countryboy> s = secure ?
<AlwaysLivid> yes
<AlwaysLivid> encrypted
<countryboy> i have the way to do it fully secure ...
<AlwaysLivid> not sure how to help, ritz[m], hope someone else responds in a bit
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<countryboy> AlwaysLivid[m] => AlwaysSmile ...
<countryboy> crome web browser => crometherapy ...
<ritz[m]> AlwaysLivid: Okay 🙂
<countryboy> never play reversi !!! xD
<countryboy> play dama, chess, hotel ...
<countryboy> a byte = 8 bit
<countryboy> 1 bit = 0 or 1
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<Not-5835> [haiku/website] kallisti5 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/JnPrt
<Not-5835> [haiku/website] panos 3a83a55 - Fixed reference to Trac in R1/Beta3 announcement (#519)
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<nielx[m]> kallisti5: there are a few commits that seem to be done after every branch point, are you aware of that?
<kallisti5[m]> yeah. Those are updates to the releases
<kallisti5[m]> any updates to the branches will be built weekly to the release as update packages
<nielx[m]> I mean the first seven commits after the branch point here: https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?h=r1beta2&ofs=100
<kallisti5[m]> yeah. those were build and released to folks
<kallisti5[m]> r1~beta2_hrev54154_123 == beta2_hrev54154 + 123 commits
<nielx[m]> you're still misunderstanding me
<nielx[m]> there are specific commits that were done after branching previously
<nielx[m]> like upversioning
<nielx[m]> changing the kernel debug level
<nielx[m]> and reverting certain commits
<kallisti5[m]> ooh. yeah. I know about those
<nielx[m]> good, just checking :-)
<kallisti5[m]> Hm.. i guess I thought that we upversioned in master after a release
<kallisti5[m]> ah. you're right
<julicenri> Is Web+ on nightly using the WebKit version planned for beta 3?
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<nielx[m]> I got the impression that there might be an update pending, which is supposedly built when we update the buildbots, but I am very much guessing here
<kallisti5[m]> ok. master updated with new versioning. r1beta3 updated with new versioning
<nielx[m]> nice!
<PulkoMandy> julicenri, no, not yet
<julicenri> Aw. :(
<PulkoMandy> we need to update the builders first, and then I can finally release the last year of work on webkit and everyone will be angry at me for all the new bugs
<julicenri> If it adds movable tabs, then maybe some of those folks can be placated somewhat. :P
<julicenri> heh
<kallisti5[m]> https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?h=r1beta3 ok. One-off branch adjustments should be done
<kallisti5[m]> waiting for builder to calm down a bit... then i'll trigger the first TC image
<kallisti5[m]> * nielx: thanks for letting me know about those commits. Glad we updated the versions before any other commits
<kallisti5[m]> nielx: thanks for letting me know about those commits. Glad we updated the versions before any other commitas
<kallisti5[m]> there was also a ReleaseCookbook waddlesplash wrote I didn't know about
<kallisti5[m]> (it's a bit outdated, but helped a lot)
<waddlesplash> kallisti5[m]: oh yeah sorry I thought you knew about that
<waddlesplash> also I didn't write it originally, it predates me, but I rewrote a lot of it, eys
<kallisti5[m]> waddlesplash: no need to apologize.. it was really helpful :-)
<waddlesplash> make sure you follow all the versioning and jamfile changes for sure
<waddlesplash> those are the most important
<kallisti5[m]> yeah. all done in master + r1beta3
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<PulkoMandy> I wrote the original version of ReleaseCookbook when preparing the alpha3 release
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<kallisti5[m]> PulkoMandy: Then thanks to you kind gentleman
<nephele[m]> juliencenri: moveable tabs doesnt need more webkit work, just webpositive stuff
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<Vidrep_64> Cddb does no longer work on Haiku. FreeDB was shutdown in 2020. The new site is now gnudb.gnudb.org. Can it be changed?
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<Vidrep_64> Cddb_lookup.cpp line 69 needs to be changed. static const char* kDefaultServerAddress = "freedb.freedb.org:80"; -> "gnudb.gnudb.org:8880"
<PulkoMandy> it looks like you are ready to submit a patch :>
<Vidrep_64> I just finished building cddb_lookup and moving it into non-packaged. Testing now ;)
<Vidrep_64> quick reboot required
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<Vidrep_64> Not working. Maybe more changes required elsewhere?
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<extrowerk> got the AMD libm implementation built on Haiku
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