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<nephele[m]>
Why does github show a diff for almost all lines above, is that a bug?
<nephele[m]>
also it would be nice to not ammend reports after publishing, dont think we should follow the just one more thing aproach, maybe mention issues in the review before?
<nephele[m]>
(not ammend them too much i mean)
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<roiredX>
good day
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<roiredX>
damn, I forgot how to add a .rsrc to a file
<augiedoggie_>
xres
<roiredX>
resattr
<roiredX>
i think?
<roiredX>
exactly
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<PulkoMandy>
resattr is for copying resources to attributes (for example icons are available in both places, the attribute because it is fast to access for Tracker without actually opening the file, and the resource because it survives the file being copied to other machines, sent on the internet, etc)
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<roiredX>
PulkoMandy, in this case, to add the RDEF file, converted to RSRC to an executable... I just used resattr
<roiredX>
should have I done differently?
<PulkoMandy>
converting rdef to rsrc is done with rc
<PulkoMandy>
adding rsrc to executable is done with xres
<PulkoMandy>
maybe the tools got extended to do things they didn't do originally, too
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<roiredX>
ok.. then to do the thing properly I should use xres
<roiredX>
gotta go
<roiredX>
bye all
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<augiedoggie_>
heh, i can't even get far enough to reproduce the crash
<augiedoggie_>
vmware won't boot with usb enabled for some reason, and i get a KDL when i boot bare metal and connect my phone
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<AlwaysLivid>
When's the new release planned to come out, anyway?
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<nephele[m]>
soon(tm)
<AlwaysLivid>
CD Projekt Red-type of "when it's ready"? :D
<nephele[m]>
No, we don't release when we know it's buggy
<AlwaysLivid>
What are the shareholders going to think?!
<AlwaysLivid>
(For any readers wondering what's going on: In order to prevent ANY speculation about the financing model of Haiku, I'll reiterate that Haiku is not currently being actively funded by the Illuminati, and anyone trying to make you think otherwise is a liar.)
<nephele[m]>
Majestic 12?
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<AlwaysLivid>
nephele[m], Bielefeld?
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<PulkoMandy>
AlwaysLivid, the roadmap says it's planned for late february 2021
<PulkoMandy>
but I think it's cheaper to release it late, than to try to invent a time machine to release it on time
<nephele[m]>
A time machine has zero cost omce it is invented
<AlwaysLivid>
Things also went later than expected last year and by the looks of it, it will probably be released around the same time as last year again?
<PulkoMandy>
probably some time during the summer if someone starts doing the "release manager" things
<nephele[m]>
I'm free to do QA this weekend for beta3 if you want
<AlwaysLivid>
... Is a feature freeze in placce?
<AlwaysLivid>
*place
<nephele[m]>
once someone writes to the ML to that effect.. :)
<PulkoMandy>
we don't work that way, we create a feature-frozen branch for the release (and the main branch remains open at all times for new stuff)
<AlwaysLivid>
ah okay so my patches can still make it :D
<nephele[m]>
alwayslivid: well, it may be that they get merged to master after a stable branch though
<AlwaysLivid>
Probably the only instance too, it just stuck out
<PulkoMandy>
AlwaysLivid, yes, this one is special
<AlwaysLivid>
Oh, I just read the patch set, sorry.
<PulkoMandy>
yes, I think it's documented inside it
<PulkoMandy>
I will rebase it to beta3 and hope no one prevents it from being merged because "the URI format does not look nice" this time
<nephele[m]>
There are some patches that went both into master and beta2 aswell
<AlwaysLivid>
I'll be able to spend more time on Haiku after June, might as well try to clean up things a bit further.
<AlwaysLivid>
"Let's start thinking about it NOW for beta3 because otherwise it will not be merged there either because "it's too late" again."
<nephele[m]>
I doubt i get system wide dark mode finished before beta3, but i made some nice strides in that direction :3
<PulkoMandy>
I can't do anything until the beta3 branch is created as this change needs to go into the branch
<AlwaysLivid>
yup, that's fair
<AlwaysLivid>
there are a lot of outdated references of gcc7 on the website
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<nephele[m]>
not gcc4? :)
<PulkoMandy>
probably someone converted outdated references to gcc4 to gcc7 at some point
<PulkoMandy>
can we have variables in the website? and use CURRENT_GCC_VERSION or something like that?
<PulkoMandy>
(I'm a programmer, I always want to fix everything with code)
<nephele[m]>
awk me a website
<PulkoMandy>
mh... I would have considered m4. But that's probably a bad idea
<nephele[m]>
i guess if hugo does preprocessing scripts or hooks we could totally do that
<AlwaysLivid>
PulkoMandy, that was a trap question, I pushed in a patch that would change gcc7 to gcc8 ;)
<AlwaysLivid>
But yeah, that can definitely be worked on.
<PulkoMandy>
that only works until we upgrade to gcc11 :>
<PulkoMandy>
thanks for working on the website, in any case
<AlwaysLivid>
The outdated documentation confused me a lot when preparing my development environment and testing a couple of edge cases
<AlwaysLivid>
I was like "WHY IS THE COMPILER UNSUPPORTED GOSH DERN IT"
<AlwaysLivid>
That's also considerably annoying when testing old patches, should write documentation for that (particularly on how to rebase old patches because dealing with the old version of the way building Haiku worked is annoying)
<nephele[m]>
old version?
<AlwaysLivid>
Yeah, ./configure worked differently up until February last year.
<PulkoMandy>
there were some changes to configure script arguments (build-cross-tools and cross-tools-dir)
<PulkoMandy>
not big changes, but if you use the docs on the website and not readme.compiling, it's hard to figure this out
<AlwaysLivid>
I think I bugged Adrien to change this after I got very very annoyed of not being able to get this to work after 3-4 hours of effort :P
<AlwaysLivid>
and then it was like
<AlwaysLivid>
"oh we changed the building system"
<AlwaysLivid>
and i was like "oH MY GODD"
<AlwaysLivid>
I should *really* have asked much, much sooner but I tend to be hesitant about that.
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<PulkoMandy>
we're here to help, and we know our developer documentation is not all that great, so yes, better just ask
<PulkoMandy>
sorry for wasting your time
<AlwaysLivid>
no no no i'm not trying to guilt trip here
<nephele[m]>
ugh, github doesnt find haikuwebkit if i search for haikuwebkit... so much for searches, one time i actually use the insite search and it lets me down
<AlwaysLivid>
I just felt particularly silly because this was supposed to just work, but I immediately sort of put the blame on myself for doing something completely undefined incorrectly and then refrained from asking out of fear of being too annoying and bothersome.
<AlwaysLivid>
that's about it with the breakfast club-styled confessions though
<PulkoMandy>
nephele[m], github doesn't handle forks of repos really well
<PulkoMandy>
(a bit stupid of them since they invented the idea of forked repos, but whatever)
<nephele[m]>
is there no UI in github to only show the commits "ahead" of upstream? it seems to be aware how many there are anyhow
<PulkoMandy>
no
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<nephele[m]>
funny, i thought that was their entire purpose
<nephele[m]>
ugh
<PulkoMandy>
why do you try to use github as an ui for git?
<PulkoMandy>
I don't know what they're trying to do but that's certainly not it :>
<nephele[m]>
because i'm dabbling on my phone and wanted to "just" read a bit of webkitperl/py code
<nephele[m]>
I somehow assumed i would be able to just find the initial commit again and see it, but i guess i assumed too much :)
<PulkoMandy>
if you want to compare two things you probably need to put them in branches and then do a merge request
<PulkoMandy>
or maybe you can do it by handwriting an url with the two commit hashes to reach a thing that's not exposed anywhere in the ui
<mbrumbelow>
PulkoMandy: "Contest for Haiku System Sounds" winner, are they going to be packaged and bundled in Beta3?
<PulkoMandy>
I don't know, as far as I know no one is working on that
<PulkoMandy>
(I guess that is a "probably not" ?)
<nephele[m]>
system sounds are still broken / unimplemented, so somewhat doubtfull
<PulkoMandy>
yes, that too
<PulkoMandy>
we could package the sounds still, but most of them wouldn't play anyway
<mbrumbelow>
Sounds work for me... some of them.
<mbrumbelow>
on BM NUC they do not.
<nephele[m]>
seems gitea also has no straightforward to show commits unique to a branch
<nephele[m]>
way*
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<nephele[m]>
night
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<Anarchos>
wifi doesn't connect at startup until i select a network and click on 'cancel'
<Anarchos>
how to connect wifi automatically at startup ?
<nephele[m]>
Anarchos: two things, firstly it is supposed to reconnect at startup to the same BSSID, this is broken, for me it works for my home network but not for some others, for others it works always and for some never, so there is a bug there
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<nephele[m]>
secondly, haiku does not do wifi roaming yet, which is connecting to different wifi AP that have a differnt BSSID but the same SSID (visible name)
<nephele[m]>
there should be tickets for both issues already l
<nephele[m]>
think
<Anarchos>
nephele[m] i am always on same network (the box at home)
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<nephele[m]>
as i said, it seems to work for some people but not others, if you have more info feel free to add it to the ticket :)
<Anarchos>
nephele[m] i should find this ticket !
<Anarchos>
but it used to work until recently after all
<nephele[m]>
if it's a regression that is a bit different, maybe you can figure out a revision that works and a newer one that doesnt and make a new ticket for that?
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