<waddlesplash>
not used to seeing "invalid argument" when failing to boot
<waddlesplash>
are you sure the partition is correctly sized, you really copied the whole thing, it isn't truncated etc?
<novaphoenix>
I've used dd and the suggested etcher to flash both a new nightly and master on two seperate drives, I could try another
<waddlesplash>
this doesn't look like usb problems at any rate
<novaphoenix>
etcher had successfully verified the image so I think it should've been fine
<waddlesplash>
I'd expect to see USB errors if that were the case
<waddlesplash>
this looks like we got "stuck" somewhere. maybe in an infinite loop or something
<novaphoenix>
ahh
<waddlesplash>
unfortunately the keyboard is not sufficiently initialized at this stage to use the KDL shortcut I think
<waddlesplash>
that's been a problem before, maybe I should do something about it
<novaphoenix>
wait, would it be reading my current filesystem in this state? this drive was wiped, it might not have a partition table/have broken data
<novaphoenix>
might be failing on that
<waddlesplash>
ah
<waddlesplash>
yes that is very much possible
<waddlesplash>
actually quite an interesting possibility...
<novaphoenix>
I'll just do a quick format with gparted and see what happens
<waddlesplash>
well, can you save the state somehow first?
<waddlesplash>
because if that is the problem it'd be good to fix the hang :)
<novaphoenix>
not sure if I have anywhere to store a 2tb drive image haha
<waddlesplash>
no, but gparted may have a way to save the tables?
<novaphoenix>
I have another laptop with the exact same hardware that I can test on
<waddlesplash>
ah
<novaphoenix>
I'll give that a try
<augiedoggie>
could probably dump it with sfdisk
<augiedoggie>
or parted on the command line
<novaphoenix>
Aha! It works! Looks like that was the issue, I'll try to dump the tables and send them over
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<waddlesplash>
neat
<waddlesplash>
it could also be the 2tb causing a problem somehow
<waddlesplash>
we only support disks up to 2tb at present unfortunately due to some reasons
<waddlesplash>
there's pending patches on Gerrit that attempt to fix this, but they're a bit invasive and nobody has dared test them yet I guess
<novaphoenix>
ah, interesting, the actual disk size should be about 1.9tb, the same as the other system that was able to boot the usb
<waddlesplash>
this probably isn't helpful unfortunately
<waddlesplash>
I'd expect it got stuck inside some actual partition probe...
<waddlesplash>
not much we can debug without actual content dumps I think, oh well
<novaphoenix>
ah well, I'll keep it untouched for a few days before I wipe it just in case
<novaphoenix>
looks like it was just a standard fedora 34 installation
<novaphoenix>
strange, because my other laptop also runs fedora and had no problems booting haiku
<novaphoenix>
though it's a vastly different partition scheme, broken laptop has just 2 fat32 for esp and grub and the working laptop has fat16 for efi, ext4 for boot and lvm for everything else
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<novaphoenix>
at least there is a theoretical solution
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<Not-8046>
[haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 78c10a6 - gegl: bump for rebuild
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<Niklas[m]>
Does anyone know if the current x86 32bit Nightlys already include a (working) UEFI bootloader?
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<Niklas[m]>
I'm currently trying to debug NewsBe.It builds and runs,but doesn't fetch any News
<Niklas[m]>
I thought I could lookup with strace if it even tries to fetch anything.Correct me if I'm wrong,but connecting to the internet should log at least one syscall,correct?
<Niklas[m]>
Now the problem is that it doesn't.It looks like it does absolutely nothing.And I have no idea where I could search for the cause of this problem.
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<BlueSky76>
Niklas: I've looked at the NewsBe code briefly when fixing the build errors with modern gcc. And I have to say I'm not sure if putting any work into it is really worth it. It uses a deprecated library for the network stuff, so that would have to be replaced to really make it future-proof. The GUI is not that appealing (at least for my taste) and would at least have to be adapted to the layout
<BlueSky76>
API. And the code is generally quite old-fashioned C++ (c-like string operations etc...). Don't get me wrong, I don't blame the original programmer for any of this, it just shows that the code is very old. Maybe we could integrate NNTP functionality in one of the new messaging apps, Renga or Chat-O-Matic.
<Niklas[m]>
I know that the code is quite old,but it would be really sad to let this application die.The Usenet still lives and there are too few apps for it.Even on Linux I can find only a hand full of them.It's great that Haiku has its own native Newsreader.
<Niklas[m]>
I agree that a lot of the code could be optimized,but having any graphical application for the Usenet is good already,because the UX of Tin (command line newsreader,the only one Haiku supports) is everything but user-friendly.
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<Niklas[m]>
I already made some progress at implementing debugging,by the way.
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<Niklas[m]>
try { MakeConnection(); } had only catch (...) without any handling of the actual NLException.I tried to replace this with exception handling from a Nettle example project,but then it doesn't compile anymore :/
<Niklas[m]>
The compiler errors: "error: expected initializer before 'ex'" and "error: 's' was not declared in this scope".I think I may be able to fix the second one,but I have no idea what the first one means.
<Niklas[m]>
Btw it sounds like a very bad idea to implement NNTP into a messaging app.Newsgroups are much more like mailing lists than like chats.It needs a completely different user interface.It would make more sense to implement it in a email client instead.Thunderbird and SeaMonkey already show how mail and usenet can be combined.But I still prefer a dedicated application that does only usenet,and does it right.
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<humdinger>
Maybe it'd worth contacting Allen Brunson, dev of PineappleNews, if he's interested in open sourcing it.
<humdinger>
I know I used PineappleNews way back when...
<humdinger>
comp.sys.be I think? :)
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<Niklas[m]>
It has been rewritten for macOS,discontinued since 2007 and is likely as old as NewsBe,if not older.
<humdinger>
could be. but maybe the code has aged better... who knows.
<Niklas[m]>
Maybe,but let's be realistic...The chance for getting the source code of a proprietary app that has been discontinued for 15 years is near to zero.
<humdinger>
it takes just an email to find out
<BlueSky76>
Niklas: Fair enough, I think it's great if you continue NewsBE. But I really recommend replacing the Nettle library with direct Haiku network api calls instead of working on Nettle.
<waddlesplash>
Niklas[m]: humdinger pretty sure the pineapple news author posted on the forums
<waddlesplash>
rather recently, about it
<Niklas[m]>
The platinumball page just finisdhed loading,Pineapple News really looks much better than NewsBe
<humdinger>
"over the years, a number of people have contacted me, trying to get me to release the source code to that thing. And lo, all these many years later, I am finally trying to do that! But there is a problem."
<Niklas[m]>
BlueSky76: I absolutely plan to replace Nettle sooner or later if my experiments go well ;)
<BlueSky76>
Niklas: I'm happy to help if needed
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<BlueSky76>
Going by the screenshots on the website, the UI of Pineapple News looks much better that NewsBe for my taste
<BlueSky76>
humdinger: now you made me curios...what is the problem? :-)
<Niklas[m]>
Absolutely.Having graphical settings instead of messing with config text files is a big plus already
<Niklas[m]>
Why is my Firefox so slow these days? 🙄
<humdinger>
the code is on the drives of an old broken computer
<humdinger>
and needed someone to help see if the harddisks are still fine, I think-
<B2IA>
(AGMS) But they need to be near Nashville. Maybe there's a computer club there?
<BlueSky76>
humdinger: yeah, I remember the thread. Too bad I'm a bit too far away from Nashville ;-)
<Niklas[m]>
I also read the thread already,but back then I didn't use the Usenet and didn't know what Pineapple News was
<B2IA>
(AGMS) I did have some of his software source code, for testing on PPC, but it wasn't Pineapple News.
<B2IA>
(AGMS) Just some library for portability that he was working on.
<Niklas[m]>
What do you guys think?Will the source code of Pineapple News be recovered some day,or should I rather try to improve NewsBe instead?While it's not that good,it's something we already have at least.
<B2IA>
(AGMS) Write to Allen and ask how it's going.
<humdinger>
You could show you're interested in working on the code (possibly) by posting to that thread, asking what's the status of the recovery.
<B2IA>
(AGMS) It was cool the way all the news articles were stored as individual files with attributes, much like e-mail.
<BlueSky76>
humdinger: +1
<Niklas[m]>
Extrowerk already asked two weeks ago without any response (latest post in the thread)
<humdinger>
still.
<Niklas[m]>
Okay,I'll try it
<humdinger>
great. good luck. :)
<BlueSky76>
Is Pineapple News around as a binary? That way we could at least get some inspiration UI and functionality wise. Of course not the actual implementation
<B2IA>
(AGMS) Seems to be a file permission problem.
<humdinger>
that's at least claimed: bash: ./PineappleNews: cannot execute binary file: Not an executable
<humdinger>
chmod +x doesn't fix it
<B2IA>
(AGMS) Running in 32 bit?
<humdinger>
oops. caught me there? :)
<humdinger>
rookie mistake...
<B2IA>
(AGMS) ... tries it out in a more recent Haiku...
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<BlueSky76>
AGMS: I installed your package on 32bit Haiku. The application starts but displays an error about a missing help file
<Niklas[m]>
I wrote a reply in the forum topic.Let's see if I get a response.I think it's better to pause my work at NewsBe in the meantime.If I'm bored,there's still my Weather replicant that I've been postponing for months,and Ideam needs to be patched to use a fixed-width font :D
<humdinger>
Niklas[m]: you're aware of the existing Weather replicatable app?
<B2IA>
(AGMS) Yes, that's the file permission problem, BlueSky76. The file is there but it can't read it for some reason.
<Niklas[m]>
humdinger: Yes,but it doesn't work.I was trying to fix it and even posted some progress in the forums last summer (I think it was around August or September or so),but then I got too busy with other stuff to finish it
<BlueSky76>
AGMS: yeah I just checked, the file is there and readable. I really wonder why the application needs more than read access.
<BlueSky76>
Maybe the file is just opened with read/write permissions and nobody noticed it on BEOS because the file was writable there. If only we had the source code....
<B2IA>
(AGMS) I had tried it as a non-packaged program with writeable directories, and got the same problem. Possibly something changed in the file permission API, maybe a new flag?
<humdinger>
Niklas[m]: It's the Yahoo API thingy that stopped working, wasn't it?
<Niklas[m]>
Correct
<humdinger>
ok
<Niklas[m]>
I tried to replace it with yr.no for the weather data and OpenStreetMap nominatim for searching cities
<Niklas[m]>
If I remember right,selecting the location already works,but displaying the weather data doesn't.
<B2IA>
(AGMS) Snow has stopped, time to head out and shovel it up. Bye for now.
<humdinger>
would be nice if Weather could be fixed, for sure. quite some work went into all those weather condition icons...
<Niklas[m]>
And I don't comply with their terms of service,because both want that contact data of the app developer is sent in the user agent and I had no idea how I could change the defaults
<BlueSky76>
AGMS: ok, that´s interesting. In that case my guess was wrong. Happy shoveling and greetings from at the moment snow-free western Austria!
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<humdinger>
We had about two days of snow this entire winter so far...
<Niklas[m]>
Here it rained the entire winter,or at least it was wet and gray :/
<humdinger>
dry here. which is nice, already made 3 nice bike tours this year. :)
<Niklas[m]>
What is the best way using C++ and the BeAPI to parse a timestamp in the format "2022-01-19T16:00:00Z" to compare it with the current date and time?
<augiedoggie>
not really C++ but it is part of the API
<Niklas[m]>
Thanks,that is exacly what I was looking for.
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<Niklas[m]>
Now that I have a time_t variable,how do get the properties of it?Something like getting the day or the month from the string mentioned above?
<Vidrep_64>
I'm noticing that Haiku is taking much longer to boot lately, and that the app_server is slow to respond after the desktop appears. anyone else seeing this?
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<AlienSoldier>
Vidrep_64 "app_server is slow to respond after the desktop appears" not sure it is slow here. Switching from a workspace to another, both full of opened windows, it display fine. Updated about 2 hour ago.
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<andreasdr>
Hi there
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