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<haiku-user1234> What's up with the forums? https://discuss.haiku-os.org/ gives a 404, is this some planned maintenance?
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<Coldfirex> same for bug tracker
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<kallisti5[m]> fixed. server ran out of space... not sure why
<kallisti5[m]> cleaned up additional room
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<Not-5835> [haiku/website] kallisti5 pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±5] https://git.io/J4Vrn
<Not-5835> [haiku/website] jt15s 99ba871 - get-haiku: Update logo for r1b3
<Not-5835> [haiku/website] kallisti5 ae81e51 - r1beta3: Finalize notes and release
<kallisti5> PARTY! As soon as the website updates, R1/beta3 is officialy released!
<jt15s[m]> <kallisti5 "PARTY! As soon as the website up"> Yay! We *do* have screenshots etc., right?
<kallisti5> psh.. no. Nobody every submitted them to me
<kallisti5> Feel free to add if someone finds them :-)
<jt15s[m]> I was thinking of putting together a press kit, nothing fancy, but with the press release in a PDF, a reviewer's guide I wrote last year with some logos and screenshots
<kallisti5> sounds like a great idea :-)
<kallisti5> better move quick if you want to
<jt15s[m]> BTW, we might not be doing USBs/DVDs, the company I quoted with charges a maintenance fee for fulfillment which is, in my opinion, a bit outrageous - it's a hundred plus dollars a month.
<kallisti5> hm
<jt15s[m]> Plus, unlike what PulkoMandy suggested their prices get higher if we order more, not lower
<jt15s[m]> Seems they don't do bulk discounts
<kallisti5> aaand beta3 is out
<jt15s[m]> kallisti5: Hmm, we need a news item
<kallisti5> jt15s[m]: y'all should write one :-)
<jt15s[m]> <kallisti5 "jt15s: y'all should write one :-"> Yup, we have a press release ready to go
<jt15s[m]> Just lemme finalise some things, and I'll get to it asap
<kallisti5> i'm beat. Everything appears to be working. The mirrors listed are synced (one is not synced yet and I removed it)
<kallisti5> ... hid it
<kallisti5> donation processor working (tested(
<kallisti5> my only advice is to do pull requests with lots of review and testing
<kallisti5> a *lot* of people look at the get-haiku page once slashdot, osnews, etc and stuff picks it up
<kallisti5> update date update release notes to https://www.haiku-os.org/get-haiku/r1beta3/release-notes/
<kallisti5> everything else looks great :-)
<jt15s[m]> Oops, will fix
<kallisti5> (sorry. stepping away. Ping me if anything server side or major website comes up)
<kallisti5> the press kit looks awesome though :-)
<kallisti5> nice work!
<jt15s[m]> <kallisti5 "(sorry. stepping away. Ping me "> Okay. Thanks for all the amazing work!
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<beaglejoe> Congratulations on Beta3!
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<jt15s[m]> kallisti5: PR has been created and press kit has been uploaded.
<Not-5835> [haiku/website] kallisti5 pushed 1 commit to master [+59/-0/±0] https://git.io/J4wsi
<Not-5835> [haiku/website] jt15s ee17410 - Make Beta3 Release Announcement + Add Press Kit (#536)
<kallisti5> looks good to me :-)
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<jt15s[m]> <kallisti5 "looks good to me :-)"> Also, might be good to merge that UEFI guide update now that B3 is out
<Not-5835> [haiku/website] kallisti5 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/J4wG3
<Not-5835> [haiku/website] kallisti5 b537cba - guides: Refine UEFI guide for R1/beta3 (#528)
<kallisti5> 5 seeds on torrents. Should be enough to cover a large number of downloads
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<jt15s[m]> Ack, the links at the top of the media release don't work!
<Not-5835> [haiku/website] kallisti5 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/J4wlI
<Not-5835> [haiku/website] kallisti5 5ea85ad - r1b3 announcement: Fix press kit links, move out of summary as html won't render
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<pakyr> Who controls the Haiku twitter? It hasn't posted about beta3 yet and it probably should
<jeremyf[m]> It will come
<jeremyf[m]> Just 2 hours since release ^^"
<pakyr> 👍
<pakyr> Also, just to note, most of the images in the press kit refer to Haiku on freenode; this should probably be updated at some point as well
<jeremyf[m]> Good point
<jt15s[m]> <pakyr "Also, just to note, most of the "> Thanks for pointing that out, will do
<pakyr> np
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<Not-5835> [haiku/website] humdingerb e6b855c - Beta3 announcement: fix link
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<jessicah> ugh, haiku dying in vbox all the time :( seems to hate being idle
<nielx[m]> I have a similar experience
<jessicah> my ubuntu vm is fine and happy, but haiku.. ugh
<nephele[x]> on which platform is vbox the one to use? :g
<jessicah> what other options are good on windows?
<nephele[x]> On windows I'd always use hyper-v if available
<nephele[x]> granted we need to support it a bit better :)
<jessicah> does it still have legacy mode? iirc, uefi hyper-v doesn't expose standard hardware interfaces
<nephele[x]> not sure if it has legacy mode... I only looked up docs on some of the hyper-v specific interfaces :g (like vmbus)
<nephele[x]> I know someone complained about certain stuff not working in hyper-v like high resolution, so it seems to definetely boot
<jessicah> I'd just be happy with the VM randomly dying when idle for a while
<jessicah> not randomly dying**
<jessicah> and now I think my VM is hosed; my haiku build can't build hpkg files anymore
<jessicah> I don't understand why bfs still gets corrupted from a system turned off when it's been idle for hours...
<jessicah> everything should be flushed to disk :(
<jessicah> doesn't happen on Windows, usually doesn't happen to my linux systems...
<jessicah> ugh, I'm obviously in a bad mood
<bronzie94> :)
<bronzie94> Q: is there a safe way to do an in-place "upgrade" to b3 over a "nightlies" system using the b3 image, without killing /home data?
<jessicah> update your package repos to the beta3 branch and pkgman update
<bronzie94> yeah - trying that but the server seems overloaded. I'll just have to wait I guess ;)
<bronzie94> thanks BTW :)
<jessicah> or you can download the anyboot image, in a terminal run `diskimage register <path/to/anyboot>`, then you can mount the Haiku install, and run Installer to upgrade your system
<bronzie94> cool! I might get adventurous and try that :)
<bronzie94> \p/
<bronzie94> \o/ even
<jessicah> I've had to do that before when pkgman was broken :)
<nielx[m]> Installer will leave your /boot/home alone, it will remove all packages installed in /boot/system/packages
<jessicah> works just fine... or you can do pkgman install /path/to/packages/in/mounted/anyboot/*.hpkg, if you're extra paranoid about Installer writing stuff
<bronzie94> (I wish I'd known that when dead pkgman killed my macbool install!)
<bronzie94> :) - okkies - I am going to try that then - your advice is appreciated :)
<bronzie94> nielx[m] - noted :)
<jessicah> oh I didn't know it removed all installed packages
<jessicah> seems a kind of odd thing to do
<bronzie94> agreed - there must be a good reason tho (compatibility??)
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<jessicah> no, package kit enforces compatibility with version checks for software
<bronzie94> ah
<bronzie94> very odd then
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<nephele[x]> bronzie: i vaguely recall a pkgman command beeing added to update from an image
<jessicah> that's a ticket, not a command
<jessicah> :p
<Guest2237> Oh nice, beta 3 is out!
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<nephele[x]> jessicah: uhhh, i'm a time traveler? :P
<jessicah> I'm the one who lives in the future
<jessicah> it'll be tuesday in a few hours
<nephele[x]> If i live in the past that makes me a time traveler too
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<jessicah> fine, you're a time traveler :p
<julicenr-> Timezones, amirite?
<nephele[x]> timezones destroyed the acuracy of my webkit file timestamp display yesterday, i'll never forget them
<jessicah> :p
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<jezek2> nephele[x]: yeah timezones are funny, esp when you write a library to implement them :D but I guess my 3rd attempt will be the good one, I was so close with my 2nd :D
<julicenr-> I'm prolly ahead of most folks here, unless there are any Aussies or Kiwis here. :P
<jessicah> kiwi :)
<jessicah> I'm 4 hours away from Tuesday
<nephele[x]> the path of least resistantce: use the library ICU lib and surrender :P
<julicenr-> Ah, well I'm behind your timezone then.
<jessicah> you do realise ICU is already integrated into Haiku, right?
<nephele[x]> yep
<jessicah> is this the time in folder listing thing you're still chasing?
<julicenr-> I'm around 8-ish hours away from Tuesday.
<nephele[x]> well, that and gerrit
<AlwaysLivid> Did I just wake up to a new release? :D
<nephele[x]> I have a potential fix for the folders... but webkit takes a long time to build on this laptop to test it
<jessicah> what's the gerrit issue?
<nephele[x]> by the way... the file: view supports dark mode too, try it :P
<nephele[x]> it also displayed time two hours in the past for me (which fits with UTC+2)
<jessicah> no thanks :p
<jessicah> right now, I'm just trying to compile haiku so I can test an interface kit change
<nephele[x]> haiku compiles faster than haikuwebkit *shrug*
<jessicah> this BAlert issue drives me bonkers
<jessicah> my haiku vm is rather slow :-/
<jessicah> I'm sure it used to be faster... I dunno
<nephele[x]> I don't have any haiku vms, only native installs
<jessicah> ever since the multiple VM dying instances, it's just gotten weirder and weirder
<jessicah> I had no app menu before
<jessicah> like, Application, etc. were all missing
<julicenr-> Have you tried cleaning states?
<nephele[x]> why would cleaning states do anything?
<jessicah> it's just bugged BFS, I think...
<julicenr-> I've found that for VMs, states filling up the space can cause some odd issues to occur.
<julicenr-> No idea why.
<nephele[x]> funny that beta3 is on hackernews but not on lobste.rs
<jessicah> I have plenty of space
<jessicah> never heard of lobsters
<nephele[x]> juliencr: sounds like something that would be easy to reproduce with mv and whatnot?
<julicenr-> Don't think so, as it doesn't seem to happen consistently.
<julicenr-> Sometimes when the VMs start filling up with states, they just work normally.
<julicenr-> Other times, all sorts of weird buggery occurs.
<nephele[x]> sounds like it could be related but doesn't have to be :)
<julicenr-> Not just in VMs, but also on my netbook where it's installed.
<nephele[x]> interesting, I've never had that anyhow
<julicenr-> At this point, I'm just chalking it up to churn in nightlies over time.
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<jessicah> hah, that dude is so bent out of shape
<nephele[x]> [14/249] webkit be faaaster
<jessicah> my haiku build is still running...
<jessicah> maybe I forgot -j4
<nephele[x]> check processcontroller? :)
<jessicah> averaging about 40%
<nephele[x]> I mean how many processes it spawned
<nephele[x]> :)
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<jessicah> ah yeah, just one
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<Coldfirex> jessicah: I have had the same freezes with Haiku for a bit now under virtualbox in Windows
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<Coldfirex> nice, Im a "contributor" in the release notes :)
<jessicah> :)
<nephele[x]> why is maximo listed as a contributor? I thought he has commit acces?
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<nephele[x]> jessicah: for your @development patch, why is pe and vision included in the image?
<jessicah> well, everyone needs pe
<jessicah> and to access irc, need vision
<jessicah> anyway, it's still a WIP
<nephele[x]> I haven't used PE for over a year, and i access irc with Renga, thus my asking :)
<jessicah> :)
<jessicah> what do you use instead?
<jessicah> as Pe is rather limited, but I dunno what good alternatives are
<jessicah> I'm so used to vscode now... but you need a browser engine for vscode :-/
<nephele[x]> Koder, mostly, it's not perfect but works rather well
<jessicah> kind of a shame, since it's a good little editor
<jessicah> oh, I remember that
<nephele[x]> main problems are with big files it slows down a lot... :(
<nephele[x]> like 1K+ line files, but still.. that is sometimes a problem
<nephele[x]> we have a browser engine though?
<nephele[x]> or you mean PWA stuff support (as in a bit more persistant storage... add a "desktop" shortcut for sites and cache them heavily local or so)
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<jessicah> I mean it's electron based
<jessicah> "Electron uses Chromium and Node.js so you can build your app with HTML, CSS, and JavaScript."
<jessicah> so yeah, not going to happen any time soon
<nephele[x]> I know, personally i tried it but all the "nice" features anoyed me so much i didn't use it that much... :P
<jessicah> haha
<nephele[x]> Yes, but electron is "just" a browser runtime with some additional apis
<jessicah> I quite like the integrated git
<nephele[x]> so, maybe you can port vscode itself, and not electron, to webkit...
<jessicah> yes, but it's not a webkit browser runtime
<jessicah> hah, somehow I don't think that'll work :p
<nephele[x]> though, we might want to do the webkit2 api stuff first, to make sure a normal BApplication can use webkit views
<nephele[x]> Why not? "ze web is portable", after all :P, it's possible some apis are just not available in chromium or webkit, but potentially vscode can run without some of them
<jessicah> it's not something I'm going to look into :p
<nephele[x]> Understandable :D
<jessicah> porting electron would make a lot of the newer so-called cross-platform but really web-platform apps possible
<nephele[x]> it would also destroy the sanity of atleast two programmers to port it ;)
<jessicah> indeed
<jessicah> porting .net is already tough enough
<jessicah> still gotta figure out how to finish the libunwind port, so exceptions work
<nephele[x]> does it even use libunwind on linux=
<nephele[x]> ?*
<jessicah> all platforms
<jessicah> well, not sure about windows; but definitely everything else
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<Not-5835> [haiku/website] humdingerb pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±3] https://git.io/J4Koe
<Not-5835> [haiku/website] jt15s f1c1953 - Update press kit
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<pakyr> jt15s[m]: Just a heads up - in the new press kit, the Kakemono.png still points to freenode for Haiku IRC
<jt15s[m]> <pakyr "jt15s: Just a heads up - in the "> Again?! I'll look into it!
<nephele[x]> damn matrix replies
<pakyr> jt15s[m]: Yeah, it was fixed in the Roll-Up Banner, but not Kakemono.png
<jt15s[m]> <pakyr "jt15s: Just a heads up - in the "> Hmm, I could have sworn I updated the kakemono... Anyways, fixing now. Thanks so much for checking 🙂
<pakyr> 👍
<jt15s[m]> Ah, looks like the kakemono hasn't been updated yet... humdingerb updated these for me so they probably missed it
<jessicah> yeah, the replies are so annoying here in normal IRC
<jessicah> silly bridges
<jessicah> can't people send regular messages...
<jt15s[m]> <jessicah "can't people send regular messag"> Hmm, what's going on? Do you get too many notifications if I reply to someone's message? In that case I'll try not to do that, but I'm too used to doing that in Discord 🤣
<jessicah> it quotes my message back
<pakyr> It looks like this: https://imgur.com/a/LLhbMrk
<jessicah> <jt15s[m]> <jessicah "can't people send regular messag"> Hmm, what's going on? Do you get too many notifications if I reply to someone's message? In that case I'll try not to do that, but I'm too used to doing that in Discord 🤣
<jt15s[m]> Ah, so that's what happens. Sorry for the notifications, I'll try not to reply to messages.
<jeremyf[m]> jessicah: do you know good irc client for iOS?
<jeremyf[m]> I didn't find one, and Element is quite annoying
<jeremyf[m]> And buggy these days
<nephele[x]> I only know one that is by some znc dev that works kinda well with znc?
<nephele[x]> if you want to keep using matrix you can also use "fluffychat" for example
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<nephele[x]> fwiw the replies on matrix look the same, just that the client is expect to strip the fallback from the message if it knows how replies work... of course, i managed to do an "html injection" exploit with that that forces people that use the reply feature to reply with a specific string :D
<nephele[x]> element would copy plaintext messages 1:1 into the html body...
<jessicah> haha
<jessicah> I use irccloud
<jessicah> it has mobile apps as well
<jessicah> which I use on Android
<jessicah> probably exists on iOS too
<Forza> Hello :)
<Forza> Great job on the release. Would you mind adding my mirror to the download-section too? https://mirrors.tnonline.net/?dir=haiku/release/r1beta3
<Not-5835> [haiku/website] humdingerb pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/J46kU
<Not-5835> [haiku/website] jt15s 17de75b - Fixed kakemono and updated press kit
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<jt15s[m]> Forza: Of course! Thank you for mirroring the release! I'll need the city and country of the geographical location of the mirror, as that is what is displayed on the website for all the other mirrors. Also, I can credit you as tnonline.net - is there a different name you wish to be credited by?
<Forza> jt15s[m]: https://www.haiku-os.org/get-haiku/r1beta2/ has it as just Stocholm, Sweden, tnonline.net :)
<HaikuUser> hey all. Beta 3, just booted from CD perfectly on Mac Pro 1.1/2.1. I could not do this with Beta 2. Great job!
<jt15s[m]> Forza: Alright, thanks!
<jt15s[m]> HaikuUser: Wow, that's great to hear!
<HaikuUser> sorry, haven't register a username , this is from live cd. Will install a bit later to ssd and then get a proper username
<HaikuUser> I used to love BeOS 5, and this makes my heart happy.
<jt15s[m]> HaikuUser: Alright then. Glad to hear you enjoy Haiku 🙂
<HaikuUser> This is on the 32-bit image, will actually try 64-bit too
<HaikuUser> I know the MacPro 1.1 is iffy with 32-bit EFI, have to always "hack" Linux ISO's to make them boot
<jt15s[m]> Forza: Your mirror is already on there, just that it was hidden because you hadn't synced it when we released yet. I've filed a PR so it should show up soon.
<Forza> Aha :)
<Forza> jt15s[m]: thanks!
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<HaikuUser2> Hello peoples.
<jt15s[m]> Hey there!
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<mrentropy64> Hey, jt15s. Fancy seeing you here!
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<mrentropy64> I was going to ask here about pkgman update failing with the "Bad data" message.
<nephele[x]> loreif i hear bad data i think lore...
<nephele[x]> mrentropy64: just bad data?
<mrentropy64> The entire line is: Refreshing repository "Haiku" failed 0%: Bad data
<nephele[x]> hmmm... i dont eem to be getting any response from the server
<nephele[x]> okay, got it
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<countryboy> hello, peace, love !!! ;-)
<nephele[x]> mrentropy64: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/17119
<nephele[x]> made a ticket, with some network kit debug logging included
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<Not-5835> [haiku/website] jt15s 04b4043 - Update _index.md
<countryboy> the entropy of the universe always increases ... but instead just put in order ... there is the cleaning lady ...
<countryboy> mrentropy64: What if we all put the world in order together?
<mrentropy64> @nephele[x] Thanks!
<mrentropy64> I don't know anyone would trust me with putting things in order.
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<HaikuUser> hi all
<jeremyf[m]> Hi you
<HaikuUser> just installed haikuos on vmware and installed vmware-addons, how do i change my screen resolution to 1600x900, it doesnt shows me in Screen
<countryboy> mrentropy64: peace and freedom ;-)
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<countryboy> HaikuUser: i think your graphic card doesn't support 1600x900 ...
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<HaikuUser> hmm all other vm's are using this resolution
<HaikuUser> is vesa driver the only driver for haiku?
<countryboy> HaikuUser: hem, i don't know ... ;-)
<jeremyf[m]> <HaikuUser "is vesa driver the only driver f"> No
<HaikuUser> how do i change the driver , to vmware driver
<jeremyf[m]> Changing graphics options of your vm can help
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<soapdog> Hello friends, quite excited with the release of beta 3, fantastic work. I'm having some trouble here upgrading from nightly. When I attempt to re-add the Haiku repo, it fails with "failed: interrupted system call" and no other info. I tried it a couple times, restarted, tried again, but it always fail. Anyone experienced that here? Anyone knows how to solve it?
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<PulkoMandy> too much people are using the repositories to update it seems
<soapdog> so, I should just keep trying? Maybe give it some time to avoid adding too much traffic...
<julicenri> Guess that explains why I couldn't update as well.
<julicenri> Sorry, I meant can't.
<soapdog> julicenri: are you seeing the same error?
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<julicenri> Not the same error, but rather that the repos cannot be reached.
<julicenri> Just generally connection issues with the repos.
<julicenri> Those are consistent with servers getting hammered, though.
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<nephele[x]> If the package kit can't establish a connection it should say so nicely :) interupted system call is a not-so-nice error, hard to tell what is wrong there
<nephele[x]> especially since most users don't know what a system call is, or whether interupting it is bad
<soapdog> I'm not sure my problem is establishing the connection, it might be something after it as in the connection being dropped midtransfer or something. As you said "interrupted system call" is not very clear. I wish pkgman had a verbose option to output more info.
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<nephele[x]> it does, if the network kit is compiled with debugging output :)
<nephele[x]> but the error code not beeing precise enough is an error in and of itself, which can be fixed
<nephele[x]> an example of a more verbose log: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/17119
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<nephele[x]> forums down?
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<tqh> I get a 404
<bbjimmy> me too
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<jeremyf[m]> Me too
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<Coldfirex> someone should create a bugreport with this specific example on potentially having a more description end user error message
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<Vidrep_64> Good morning
<Vidrep_64> Congrats on releasing Beta 3
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<Vidrep_64> kallisti5, the heat is off of you now, relax :)
<kallisti5[m]> Now I gotta get X512's riscv64 patches merged
<kallisti5[m]> No rest for the weary
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<humdinger> Happy Betaday everyone!
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<Vidrep_64> Hey humdinger!
<jeremyf[m]> Hello humdinger
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<Coldfirex> Ya why dont you actually put in some work Kallisti5 ;)
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<The_Ringmaster> hello
<The_Ringmaster> is the haiku repository down?
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<The_Ringmaster> is there an US based repo I could switch to?
<kallisti5[m]> err. sec
<kallisti5[m]> The_Ringmaster: should be fixed now
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<The_Ringmaster> it sure is fixed now... thanks!
<kallisti5[m]> sorry.. we ran out of space this morning and had a few things break. Didn't realize the repo was down as well
<kallisti5[m]> horrible timing lol
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<mrentropy64> I'll see if I can ujpdate this puppy.
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<B2IA> (AGMS) But good practice for R1, kallisti5[m]
<kallisti5[m]> https://github.com/haiku/infrastructure/issues/66 would fix a lot of these issues
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<kallisti5[m]> we're growing beyond our single docker swarm instance
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<mrentropy64> It's looking better.
<B2IA> (AGMS) Had better luck downloading R1B3 from BitTorrent this morning. Wonder if the IPFS will help the same way for updates.
<kallisti5[m]> not sure. IPFS has had a lot of weaknesses so far
<kallisti5[m]> namely it's hard to manage data in it. Updates cause outages while the new data "seeds" (not the term, but trying to abstract to bittorrent which a lot of people understand more) to other nodes who update
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<B2IA> (AGMS) Well, hopefully that will get fixed over time in IPFS or by better infrastructure / more seeders.
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<kallisti5[m]> the pain is you have to "repin" the data by hand
<kallisti5[m]> so mirrors only get the latest data when they manually (or via cron) "repin" (refresh) the latest data
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<B2IA> (AGMS) So the seeders have to manually pull the hash codes (torrent file equivalent) for the newer files? I guess that's one thing BitTorrent Sync and Dropbox have. Hmmm, rsync anyone?
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<Vidrep_64> kallisti5[m], there hasn't been any nightly updates since hrev55246. I'm guessing it's because all of the focus was getting the Beta ready for release. Any timeline when nightly updates will be available again?
<kallisti5[m]> my builder was broken for around 2 days
<kallisti5[m]> which matches that
<kallisti5[m]> i fixed it this morning, so builds should be going out this evening
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<nephele[x]> coldfirex: only makes sense if we have enough logs to try and figure out when that unspecific error even occured :)
<nephele[x]> I posted a ticket which may have enough logs for the "bad data" case, but i feel like we could learn a lot by testing pkgman against one of those "bad behaviour" test servers
<PulkoMandy> you don't have to use the whole pkgman for that, the errors come directly from the http code which you can use in a simpler test client
<PulkoMandy> it would probably be easier to debug then?
<nephele[x]> If i want to make pkgman more reliable it seems like a good idea to emulate bad behaviour the package server could have, but testing the network kit on it's own would also be a good idea indeed
<nephele[x]> e.g that pkgman appended http errors could have been found out in a bad behaviour tester aswell :)
<PulkoMandy> ah, yes, right, it seems that gets lost
<PulkoMandy> I had not looked at your traces closely enough
<mrentropy64> Is there a way of seeing what DNS servers Haiku is using?
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<nephele[x]> pref/network -> dns settings
<mrentropy64> Oh. Duh. Thanks! It was avoiding my vision.
<Vidrep_64> kallisti5[m], thanks for the clarification
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<brocc> hai
<brocc> (ku is awesome omg)
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<nephele[x]> that's kind of funny, because hai means yes also :)
<brocc> ^_^
<brocc> tbh i'm shocked at how everything works, and it's responsive, and i'm really everything is amazing escape that i feel uncomfortable with the keybindings being different
<brocc> s/escape/except/
<nephele[x]> you can switch the keybindings to windows7linux mode, but then the terminal bindings for ^C use alt instead
<nephele[x]> personally, i like the default, but the option is there :)
<nephele[x]> windows/linux*
<brocc> oh, nice!
<brocc> the windowmanager also feels somewhat odd...
<brocc> (and amusingly, i can crash the mouse driver by moving my mouse around too much, because QEMU is pumping 1000hz mouse events into haiku)
<nephele[x]> Well, it's the app_server and decorator, we don't have a seperate window manager as such, but it is indeed different to many you may be used on linux
<nephele[x]> used to*
* brocc smiles and nods
<brocc> the feel of a responsive OS is very shocking, i must say
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<nephele[x]> in a good way, i hope
<brocc> yep! :)
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<Niklas[m]> Upgraded my main computer to beta 3 today and I love it.The upgrade progress was totally simple and really fast,everything still works and looks stable 👍 And WebPositive really feels a bit faster now :)
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<brocc> woot!
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<B2IA> (Butler) Welcome to BeShare.agmsmith.ca.
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<soapdog> just wanted to say that I managed to update now. Thanks a lot for everyone who helped me today.
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<PulkoMandy> sorry for having the repositories down at the worst possible time. We will surely be looking into setting up mirrors for it for the next releases (we still need to set up some code to check for signatures before installing packages)
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<kallisti5> jeeze.. our server has been running 100Mbit+ outbound for almost 12 hours now
<Niklas[m]> That's a good sign.People are interested in Haiku and want to try it :D
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<robobox> was there an article about it recently? that would do it
<rennj> distrowatch
<rennj> not on osnews,hackernews,or slashdot yet
<rennj> im sure after the distrowatch, articles will appear on other sites
<rennj> ahh hackernews 53:
<rennj> already on page 2
<rennj> reddit would be meaningless, you would have to know of the subreddit
<robobox> wow, Beta 3 came out? i'll have to install it
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<Anarchos> config.guess says i586-pc-haiku, but x86_64-unknown-haiku
<Anarchos> why is it unknown ? I would say that all x86_64 conforming architecture are pc compatible ?
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<rennj> hmm "passwd user" i see /etc/shadow get updated but it fails to su - user, and ssh login
<Skipp_OSX> idk it always said unknown
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<rennj> yeah how come telnet works with the passwd, but ssh doesnt, no su - user
<rennj> permitrootlogin
<rennj> blah
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<rennj> yeah ftp/telnet work, but su - user, and ssh user@ dont
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<jt15s[m]> DistroTest has been updated to Haiku Beta3! Test Haiku in your browser here: https://distrotest.net/Haiku/R1%20Beta%203
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