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<waddlesplash> we already have p7zip
<waddlesplash> I think the 7-Zip GUI is still Windows-only
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<nekobot2> [haiku/buildtools] jessicah pushed 1 commit to master [btrev43191] - https://git.haiku-os.org/buildtools/log/?qt=range&q=016003468a3b+%5E5db2362242d8
<nekobot2> [haiku/buildtools] 016003468a3b - legacy/gcc: add -pthread no-op.
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<win8linux[m]> Are there any GUI archivers that have zst support?
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<augiedoggie> the git version of Beezer does
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<HaikuUser> Hello
<HaikuUser> is someone there?
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<andreasdr[m]> Good morning.
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<nekobot2> [haiku/haiku] korli pushed 1 commit to master [hrev55962] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=69cab3d4f648+%5E7a52ac780b79
<nekobot2> [haiku/haiku] 69cab3d4f648 - intel_extreme: remove gen8 interrupt handler on exit
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<win8linux[m]> Is it possible to force VESA by default for every boot?
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<rennj> If activating Use fail-safe graphics driver solves your troubles by falling back to VESA graphics, you can make the setting permanent by removing the # of the line #fail_safe_video_mode true in the text file /boot/home/config/settings/kernel/drivers/kernel.
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<Spaceboy1010> Since there is already a version of 7-zip, Has anybody ported Scratch to Haiku yet?
<Spaceboy1010> Scratch as in https://scratch.mit.edu
<Spaceboy1010> I checked the depot and I saw nothing. If it is there, is it under a different name?
<rennj> scratch from the olpc xo-1 project was it?
<Spaceboy1010> yes
<rennj> yeah i had olpc xo-1 give 1 get 1
<rennj> 400mhz,256MB of ram, jffs2 1GB of nand...openboot/openfirmware/forth prom..i wish i kept it
<Spaceboy1010> ok
<rennj> the keyboard sucked
<Spaceboy1010> the shrektop
<Spaceboy1010> could you attach an external keyboard?
<rennj> well we got fpc/lazarus and such..lua, and java..i think also
<rennj> so i bet it wouldnt be that hard to port over
<rennj> well it did have usb ports so yeah, im sure external keyboard, but it kind of ruins the portability factor
<Spaceboy1010> yea
<Spaceboy1010> that's the one
<rennj> Scratch 3.0 is a completely new JavaScript-based codebase made up of multiple components such as "Scratch-GUI," now based on a library from Blockly,
<Spaceboy1010> yes
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<rennj> i guess that would have to be ported first
<Spaceboy1010> unless we do 1.4 or 2.0, which doesn't use Blocky
<Spaceboy1010> but 3.0 is better
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<win8linux[m]> <rennj> "well we got fpc/lazarus and such..." <- Wait, there's a Lazarus port? Only saw FPC in HaikuDepot.
<rennj> haiku depot perhaps check
<rennj> https://depot.haiku-os.org/#!/?bcguid=bc1-QQCS&repos=haikuports&arch=x86_64&viewcrttyp=FEATURED&srchexpr=lazarus
<rennj> A GUI based installer for FPC and Lazarus --- fpcupdeluxe
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<Begasus> 'lo peeps
<rennj> win8linux[m], perhaps Begasus can point you to the fpc/Lazarus foo, if you are still having problems finding it
<rennj> didnt you last work on that Begasus ?
<rennj> A GUI based installer for FPC and Lazarus --- fpcupdeluxe is what i pointed them to on haiku depot
<Begasus> you can use fpcupdeluxe to build FPC and Lazarus
<rennj> nice screenshot
<Begasus> nothing fancy :)
<rennj> Scratch as in https://scratch.mit.edu was being asked for earlier
<rennj> i used earlier version of that software on the olpc xo-1 laptop/one laptop per child
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<rennj> in fact it was Spaceboy1010 that was asking about scratch
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<Begasus> javascript ... not familiar there
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<rennj> yeah well netpositive using webkit, so i figured perhaps its doable
<rennj> course https://scratch.mit.edu/faq#scratch3 What are the system requirements for Scratch?
<rennj> those browser choices
<rennj> webgl
<win8linux[m]> rennj: I was expecting to find the Lazarus IDE itself in HaikuDepot.
<Begasus> that's still a nogo (here) win8linux[m] a script works for building it in Terminal, but when trying to use that in a recipe it fails
<Begasus> has been mentioned in the forum :)
<win8linux[m]> I was looking for Lazarus earlier since I was considering getting a Pascal program working on Haiku.
<Begasus> best bet is to build it with fpcupdeluxe win8linux[m]
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<win8linux[m]> Yeah, will get back to it after figuring out issues with the current program.
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<win8linux[m]> Currently trying to get FreeRCT on Haiku, but got stuck on the INSTALL section of the recipe.
<win8linux[m]> Official repo README mentions using `make install` as an option for installation.
<win8linux[m]> However, make says that there's no rule for 'install' target.
<win8linux[m]> But the Makefile generated seems to have a rule for the 'install' target?
<win8linux[m]> I might just be missing something obvious or something.
<Begasus> did you use "make -C build install" (if you are using "build" as the working dir)?
<win8linux[m]> Not yet, will try that now.
<Begasus> ;)
<win8linux[m]> Alright thanks, that got 'make install' working.
<win8linux[m]> Just going to fix the symlink, then I'll make the PR if it runs.
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<Begasus> k, older 3.* ccache still works, 4.* fail with hard link, probably should disable the newer version for now
<nekobot2> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [hrev55963] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=06c5115cf02e+%5E69cab3d4f648
<nekobot2> [haiku/haiku] 06c5115cf02e - btrfs: check status before the flags
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<win8linux[m]> FreeRCT recipe PR:
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<augiedoggie> i think you can do without adding the headers/ part in the cmake files, just SDL2
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<Not-a434> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/c4dbd3e3c72e...dd5a0f30e1f9
<Not-a434> [haikuports/haikuports] extrowerk dd5a0f3 - pip: enable Python 3.10 (#6714)
<Not-a434> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/dd5a0f30e1f9...f437cae59c40
<Not-a434> [haikuports/haikuports] extrowerk f437cae - OpenBLAS: bump (#6658)
<Not-a434> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/f437cae59c40...a98e539f9161
<Not-a434> [haikuports/haikuports] kallisti5 a98e539 - gcc-11.2: true up to buildtools repo; add missing arch ports (#6737)
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<win8linux[m]> <augiedoggie> "win8linux: like https://github...." <- Did not know about this before, thanks for the info!
<win8linux[m]> The method used currently came from other ported software I used as references years back.
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<AlienSoldier> there really is problem with browsers, currently in otter and browser hang for 30 sec-1m on some page to eventually resume normally. It feel like the system run out of hardcoded ressource and when some actually free for watever reason the browser can resume.
<AlienSoldier> that existed for months now, used to not do that in the past.
<AlienSoldier> draggin a tab out of otter to make use a secondary window seem to make it better, will have to retry that.
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<AlienSoldier> perhaps more ressource become available when 2 windows are there.
<AlienSoldier> well not really, i can still get in waiting loop where the browser don't even update the window content anymore
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<AlienSoldier> checking a stock on www.nasdaq.com really show the non responsivness
<AlienSoldier> in either otter or web+
<AlienSoldier> sliding the scrolling bar on all it's range eventually make all hit a temporal wall
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<woffs> AlienSoldier: same here, I began wondering if this is normal
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<AlienSoldier> And now i can't login in gmail with otter (say my browser is insecure)... wgat if i don't care
<AlienSoldier> still work with web+ at least... but for how long
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<waddlesplash> AlienSoldier: web+ crashed on close but NASDAQ worked OK to view a stock here
<waddlesplash> rendering errors of course
<AlienSoldier> it work for me too, just what it kind of hang, a bit on loading first and also when scrolling it.
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<AlienSoldier> might work differently on 64 bit
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<AlienSoldier> i don't think we can compare 64 and 32 bit now as same state machine with just different speed, especially when there is a tiem dependant server outside the computer
<AlienSoldier> *time
<AlienSoldier> the race condition are not the same either
<AlienSoldier> I think a verbose window would be usefull for browser. A bit like some video player have to report all kind of issue with their audiovideo stream.
<AlienSoldier> Often there is weird behavior or website error mesage that don't tell me why loading a page failed
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<AlienSoldier> web+ kinda have that if started from terminal, i guess i should always use it that way
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<AlienSoldier> load of "Blocked a frame with origin "https://a47abcd9b92a4af774b1c69a1964d997.safeframe.googlesyndication.com" from accessing a frame with origin "https://www.nasdaq.com". Protocols, domains, and ports must match."
<AlienSoldier> and what does this mean in web+ "Please note that you don't have secure memory on this system"
<AlienSoldier> i sure have a MMU
<Cian> NX bit related stuff?
<waddlesplash> no it's gcrypt I'm pretty sure
<waddlesplash> it wants extra-secure memory regions, unswappability, etc.
<AlienSoldier> youtube dows not verbose as much
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<AlienSoldier> seem some stuff appear to cause SSL problem "SSL rv -1 error:00000005:lib(0):func(0):DH lib"
<AlienSoldier> curently trowing a bunch of sites in it and reading the verbozing
<AlienSoldier> for great justice
<AlienSoldier> those ads problem could cause the nonresponsive behavior, seem they retry a lot. With a bunch of kijiji tab open it sure keep the cpu busy
<Not-a434> [haikuports/haikuports] kallisti5 pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/a98e539f9161...22da79b44249
<Not-a434> [haikuports/haikuports] kallisti5 22da79b - dev-lua: Add new libluv / luv port
<AlienSoldier> as expected, this http://aminet.net/ does not verbose anything :)
<Not-a434> [haikuports/haikuports] kallisti5 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/22da79b44249...7e4f67a56197
<Not-a434> [haikuports/haikuports] kallisti5 7e4f67a - dev-lua/luv: Fix homepage
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<woffs> howto adblock?
<woffs> qutebrowser has builtin adblock, but is blocking possible with web+ somehow?
<AlienSoldier> not that i know
<AlienSoldier> perhaps the utimate stopgap for me would be to go full experiment Lain computer and use a dual computer setup with RDesktop like he does here for running chrome in haiku https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1wzjDTHwqE
<Cian> I've not tried the hosts file method (that exists pre browser adblock) on Haiku
<Cian> e.g. this but using the haiku hosts file location https://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm
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<AlienSoldier> hehe reddit use hiring ads with ascii ad in terminal stream :)
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<rennj> all for the ad monies!
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<rennj> radio,tv,internet and natural landscape all the ad money
<rennj> nice about the state of maine, no billboards when you drive
<Cian> banned?
<Cian> they're uncommon here cause they need planning permission which generally hasn't been given since about 1985; during which time the bulk of the road network was rebuilt. Plenty of derelict billboard sites on the old roads
<rennj> Four states prohibit all billboards: Maine, Vermont, Alaska and Hawaii. Larger cities with prohibitions on new billboards include Houston, Los Angeles, St. Paul and Kansas City. Scenic America estimates thousands of communities around the country prohibit construction of new billboards.
<Cian> like, if I had land beside a road I could apply for planning for a billboard. But I won't get it
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<rennj> soulless corporations should be regulated, crapple will live long after jobs/woz...
<rennj> i hate ad's
<rennj> consume product! be a good little consumer
<Cian> my job is entirely ad-funded so they're All Great, Really
<AlienSoldier> i don't mind ad, especially if they are clever/funny/technically well made. What i don't like (even if well made) is app for obviously crap product.
<nekobot2> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 2 commits to master [hrev55964] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=79a174c79315+%5E06c5115cf02e
<nekobot2> [haiku/haiku] 4329a83fe605 - HaikuDepot: Inherit from BWindow last so it is destroyed before everything else.
<nekobot2> [haiku/haiku] 79a174c79315 - HaikuDepot: Fix usage of std::remove.
<Cian> ads here are super regulated in terms of content, topic, what they advertise (no prescription meds, no spirits, no ambulance chasing lawyers) and so on but I can't make any guarantees of quality product
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<Not-a434> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/7e4f67a56197...d3f790eb92f1
<Not-a434> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash d3f790e - Create lint.yml action file.
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<Not-a434> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/d3f790eb92f1...7ff36c800e2f
<Not-a434> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash 7ff36c8 - Delete .travis.yml
<Not-a434> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to waddlesplash-patch-1 [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/commit/b8217938fd2d
<Not-a434> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash b821793 - Testing GitHub Actions
<Not-a434> [haikuports] waddlesplash created branch waddlesplash-patch-1 - https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports
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<Not-a434> [haikuports/haikuports] kallisti5 pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/7ff36c800e2f...1e8886953438
<Not-a434> [haikuports/haikuports] kallisti5 1e88869 - dev-libs: Add tree-sitter package
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<augiedoggie> that recipe needs some adjustment but i'm too lazy to comment on it
<kallisti5> augiedoggie: you should comment on it :-) they were a bit thrown together. the luv package above drove me nuts. took like 5 hours to get righr
<kallisti5> *right
<augiedoggie> heh
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<rennj> distcc/ccache to the rescue!
<rennj> 5hours my craptop takes to do mame, but advanced mame is much quicker
<rennj> and advanced mamer seems run more romz then mame does
<AlienSoldier> The number of rom should only be version dependnet
<rennj> advanced mame on aros/haiku runs more romz then mame does
<rennj> archive org rom pkgs
<AlienSoldier> unless it accept older romset data aragement
<rennj> i think it does
<rennj> openbor was another gaming platform i messed with...heh he-man
<rennj> he-man openbor is trip down memory lane
<rennj> by the power of grey skull!
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<rennj> https://imgur.com/8ngevha aros-one comes loaded
<rennj> about 2GB vs icaros which is like 5GB of software
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<rennj> but aros workbench/filemanager works better than haiku opentracker...when copying romset 1000+ files
<rennj> i have to do cp -a on haiku
<rennj> from terminal
<AlienSoldier> still have that weird bug? curently copying my 2900 GBA rom dir from one partition to another (same disk, SATA magnetic) and it work fine.
<AlienSoldier> 32MiB/sec
<M3dEyes[m]> WebKitGTK
<AlienSoldier> better than web+ one?
<AlienSoldier> does chrome even get 555?
<AlienSoldier> or is that a theoritical score
<rennj> i have not tested it in long time...it was like 2021 haiku
<rennj> i have old vm. i have not upgraded
<M3dEyes[m]> AlienSoldier: Webkitgtk uses webkit2. That is, the renderer runs in a separate process (just like in qtwebengine)
<AlienSoldier> i see
<AlienSoldier> 32bit compatible?
<rennj> 32bit vm, not 64bit
<rennj> what i should test is latest and my beos vm..do things proper
<AlienSoldier> was meaning 32bit webkitgtk
<rennj> yeah im just rambling
<AlienSoldier> Is that a new browser or one made just for the test?
<M3dEyes[m]> AlienSoldier: I don't know. I only work on a 64bit system
<rennj> +1 to entropy/chaos
<rennj> the future is now
<AlienSoldier> M3dEyes[m] does the memory requirement balloned significatively? I badly need a good browser for my Acer AspireOne
<AlienSoldier> i mean compared to out typical webkit
<AlienSoldier> *our
<M3dEyes[m]> AlienSoldier: It's too early to tell. Right now https (tls) is not working.
<AlienSoldier> ok