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<Begasus>
g'morning peeps
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<johnny_b>
morning
<Begasus>
morning johnny_b
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<extrowerk>
moin
<extrowerk>
moin
<extrowerk>
Begasus: coul you pls check the lua pr?
<Begasus>
just did extrowerk ;)
<Begasus>
builds are OK now, thanks!
<Begasus>
checking lua now (just did lua54)
<extrowerk>
i have modified only the 54 recipe
<Begasus>
yeah, just to be sure ;)
<Begasus>
lua_x86 ok
<Begasus>
all good, you can merge it from my part :)
<extrowerk>
coul you please do it? i am building llvm right now
<extrowerk>
it tops my cpu :)
<Begasus>
sec, last checks ;)
<Begasus>
maybe you could put the commands in a seperate package for lua, just installed both versions and only one "lua and luac" command is in $binDir (both provide it)
<extrowerk>
leave a comment at the pr pls.
<Begasus>
will do in a bit
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<Begasus>
commented extrowerk , come to think of it maybe move them to the devel package would be better?
<Begasus>
will check up on some ports that are using lua later
<Begasus>
In the meantime, could someone please fix HaikuDepot?
<nekobot2>
[haiku/haiku] f0a8e7e24785 - Tracker: don't call debugger if a file has an invalid resource
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<bleulapin>
hello
<bleulapin>
bonjour
<bparker_>
こんにちは
<bleulapin>
:-)
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<nephele>
Ho
<nephele>
Hi*
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<phaedros>
Haiku and simple firewalls, do it exist any port or new written fw sw?
<Begasus>
Low*
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<Begasus_32>
-- Checking for module 'lua'
<Begasus_32>
-- Found lua, version 5.4.4
<Begasus_32>
-- Found lua: /packages/lua54_x86-5.4.4-1/.self/develop/headers/x86/lua54
<Begasus>
nice :)
<countryboy>
are you sure that interpreted languages work? ;0)
<bleulapin>
Hello
<bleulapin>
no one has any problems with Beta 3?
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<Begasus>
define problems bleulapin ?
<bleulapin>
after the installation everything works except the network I can't connect to the internet
<bleulapin>
When I had the Beta 2 version I had no problem.
<bleulapin>
I am connected with Ethernet and I have tested the connection with another machine and it works.
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<phaedros>
I have problem with Intel HD4400, black screen. But I saw that it was resolved. Running VESA for the moment.
<bleulapin>
No, the only problem I have is the network. It's impossible to go to any website.
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<phaedros>
bleulapin: Problem with your DNS maybe? Can you ping 8.8.8.8?
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<Begasus>
re
<Begasus>
bleulapin, maybe waddlesplash could help you out there, or a bug report would help
<Begasus>
extrowerk, rebuild caveexpress with lua54 works fine, running it doesn't require the cmd's, so I think it should be save to move the cmd's to the devel package (that already has a conflict stated)
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<cocobean>
phaedros: Test with latest nightly hrev55955 for intel driver update.
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<AbortRetryFail>
Does Haiku have some kind of compressed RAM based swap like Linux's zram? I have this on an old EeePC and want to not wear out its crappy SSD.
<AbortRetryFail>
I haven't been able to find anything so far, but I may not know the name of what I'm looking for.
<AbortRetryFail>
rennj: thanks I'll take al ook at those.
<nephele>
what is ram based swap supposed to be?
<nephele>
putting swap into ram sounds bad no matter what alghorythm you use, why do you want to do this?
<AbortRetryFail>
zram on Linux works by compressing pages in RAM and using that as a swap device. Its useful if you don't have a disk or if your disk is slow or will die from too many writes (like a Raspberry Pi SD Card)
<nephele>
just don't enable swap
<AbortRetryFail>
Yeah that's what I'm going to do in the mean time. I was just wondering if it was possible.
<nephele>
compressing pages isn't swap
<nephele>
i think your concept makes little sense
<AbortRetryFail>
I didn't invent it, and it's used on Android devices everywhere.
<rennj>
zram is nice i run on my hosts os and some guest vm's less wear and tear
<AbortRetryFail>
Often times the CPU can compress/decompress those pages as fast or faster than disk writes would be, and they take up far less space compressed, so you get more free RAM than you would with just swap turned off.
<rennj>
be like jffs2 on olpc xo-1
<AbortRetryFail>
It's a good idea and it works well
<rennj>
compressed nand fs so the 1GB of nand appeared as 2GB of space
<nephele>
You can compress pages in RAM if you want, but that doesn't have anything to do with swap
<rennj>
swap file on nand device is wear and tear
<AbortRetryFail>
nephele: how do I turn that on?
<nephele>
I don't think we have that in haiku
<nephele>
and if we did i doubt you would get any knobs to turn ;)
<AbortRetryFail>
lol
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<Cian>
having a compressed swap file on a RAM disk would allow you to have non swapped pages uncompressed and the swapped pages compressed; but you would assume any decent implementation of RAM compression would have some ability to only compress what would be swapped anyway.
<Cian>
rather than it being all or nothing
<lorglas>
hello
<AbortRetryFail>
I think the logic on Linux is: anything that's already swapped out definitely won't suffer from being compressed.
<Cian>
I remember the days when people said you wouldn't need swap if you had, say, 512MB cause nothing was ever going to use that much RAM...
<nephele>
use double your RAM as swap :P
<nephele>
even if you have 64GB of RAM
<AbortRetryFail>
I don't have to remember. That's how much RAM this EeePC has
<Cian>
that said I also remember reading not that outdated docs saying to have 1/10th your storage amount as RAM
<rennj>
steal my laptop evil maid...
<Cian>
which we had until the early 90s - 32MB 320MB HDD etc; and might happen again now - 16GB RAM 128GB SSD in my last laptop
<rennj>
they get some generic vm's cause i also have encrypted partition
<phschafft>
it would be said for Haiku not to have RAM compression of whatever sort. it really helps to improve performance.
<rennj>
tmpfs zram ftw
<Cian>
but when I had 768MB on a BeOS system I had 200GB of disks, not 8GB
<rennj>
six year power-on-hours
<rennj>
22TB written to 500GB ssd
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<rennj>
94% health
<rennj>
samsun evo 840 sata ssd
<Begasus>
heading down here, cu peeps
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<rennj>
tesla was burning out their ecu/mcu or whatever cause of excess logging
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<Cian>
that was a cheap eMMC I think
<rennj>
be like vmware esxi beating up nand device
<Cian>
build quality of everything there is suspect so using the cheapest possible storage wouldn't surprise me
<rennj>
vmware esxi and joyent smartos do the same thing try to load everything into ram
<jezek2>
rennj: interestingly I have multiple Pis with no special treatment (writing logs on SD card etc.) and it works well for many years :)
<rennj>
its still wear and tear, nand has only so many writes
<jezek2>
the oldest is running like that for 6 years
<rennj>
i posted my info, make of it what you will
<AbortRetryFail>
jezek2: consider yourself fortunate. SD card reliability is all over the place.
<rennj>
2022 and my os is 350MB.iso squashfs/lzma compression..loads into ram
<jezek2>
AbortRetryFail: I do believe that the most common issue with Pi is using an inadequate power supply, the original one works really well (thick wires and slightly higher voltage to compensate any loss over the wires)
<rennj>
zram swap if ever need it..but i rarely have it come into play..winblows10 vm sometime goes crazy on vmware
<AbortRetryFail>
Yeah, I know. I have an original model B+ that I wired the power supply from a HP Jornada charger to via the pin headers. Never had a brownout, but the machine is on its 3rd SD card since 2013
<rennj>
sdcard and usb flash dongles if had die on me
<rennj>
sdcard and usb flash dongles ive had die on me
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<rennj>
when bind and sendmail got replace with m$ dns boxes and outhouse/mailserver i knew there was trouble
<rennj>
top500 supercomputers m$, solaris, before linux consumed all the proprietary unices
<rennj>
linux only got enterpise around early 2000's with ibm/hp lvm and sgi xfs...it still wasn't as good as hp-ux or solaris
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<AbortRetryFail>
Why did you have to mention xfs. I don't want to think about xfs on Sunday...
<rennj>
sgi built box for rendering 100% usage
<rennj>
cpu pegged all day long
<AbortRetryFail>
yeah, a filesystem whose tools weren't made for disks ~8-10TB
<rennj>
yeah 73GB u160/u320 scsi
<rennj>
peak scsi before SAS
<AbortRetryFail>
at work I have an object storage cluster with XFS backing and you can't xfs_check more than one disk at a time without running out of RAM
<rennj>
15,000rpm drives
<rennj>
well zfs whole big sell was death to fsck
<rennj>
1hour boot time cause you got fsck 100's of drives
<AbortRetryFail>
instead you spend all day trying to recover a failed zpool
<andreasdr[m]>
Hi
<rennj>
bienvenue!
<andreasdr[m]>
:)
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<andreasdr[m]>
Never had a SPARC.
<rennj>
missed out on top end engineering
<andreasdr[m]>
I even had no Amiga. I had a east german PC when I was 11 until 15 or something. Then it started with X86 and Dos/Windows.
<andreasdr[m]>
So my first OS was CP/M. :D
<rennj>
amiga kickstart rom and workbench floppy, multitasking os with ramdisk
<andreasdr[m]>
Yes.
<andreasdr[m]>
I would have loved to have a AMIGA in the age of 15 or 11.
<rennj>
yeah i never owned one either
<andreasdr[m]>
Unfortunatly my parents had not much money.
<rennj>
but i did lust after
<andreasdr[m]>
lust?
<rennj>
desire!
<andreasdr[m]>
Ah I see.
<andreasdr[m]>
:)
<andreasdr[m]>
Fun fact. I recently applied for doing "any" work on AmigaOS 4.XYZ. LOL.
<andreasdr[m]>
Just did apply.
<andreasdr[m]>
But did not got an answer :DDD
<andreasdr[m]>
Morons!!!
<rennj>
i got amiga os4.1fe vm here fs-uae
<andreasdr[m]>
I also applied at ZETA in 200XYZ. They also did not reply.
<nephele>
maybe it's because you are using matrix?
<andreasdr[m]>
Sure.
<andreasdr[m]>
No I did never expected to get hired, but I tried though. You only live once, you know?
<andreasdr[m]>
Unfortunatly the whole commercial Linux world is not interesting for me, so I wont apply at canonical or something.
<andreasdr[m]>
But I love all those little nice OSes :DDD
<nephele>
I use not sending a picture as a way to discriminate against employers that needlesly demand pictures in applications
<andreasdr[m]>
Few commercial left unfortunatly.
<andreasdr[m]>
Oh. I know that in CVs you are not supposed to send profile images.
<andreasdr[m]>
But I dont care.
<andreasdr[m]>
english CVs.
<andreasdr[m]>
I recently discovered ClearLinux. Its nice to get work done.
<andreasdr[m]>
Any other distro currently out there thats interesting?
<nephele>
Alpine linux
<andreasdr[m]>
Ill check.
<andreasdr[m]>
Thank you!
<andreasdr[m]>
What happened to Solaris?
<andreasdr[m]>
:D
<nephele>
oracle
<phschafft>
people send us pictures all the time. At this point I my point of view on this is basically: if people want to reduce their chance, so be it.
<andreasdr[m]>
Phschafft. Do you look for some workers? :DDD
<andreasdr[m]>
I wont send my picture :DDD
<phschafft>
haha.
<rennj>
oracle bought them and made it suck, killed off engineering team
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<andreasdr[m]>
Fuckers.
<rennj>
life support mode
<rennj>
2034 or something
<andreasdr[m]>
Damn.
<nephele>
(also made it closed source... for no reason)
<andreasdr[m]>
:(
<phschafft>
andreasdr[m]: no.
<nephele>
if you want sollaris you can use illumos now
<rennj>
yeah the openindiana cut off on access
<phschafft>
andreasdr[m]: not at this point.
<andreasdr[m]>
Ok Sir. Just asking. I am fine. (Oh I might have Corona, PCR test ist on the way)
<rennj>
openindiana,smartos,omnios
<andreasdr[m]>
But If I have Corona I have a very weak version of it :)
<andreasdr[m]>
What is the best Solaris right now? And does it do 3D HW Acceleration?
<rennj>
11.2 was last version fully supported vmware, sound,nic,mouse,accelerated x11 server
<phschafft>
(most pictures we get sent a) look like taken in jail by force, or b) look like someone thinks we work in a more body-focused business...)
<rennj>
11.3 lost sound support in vmware and accelerated x11 server
<rennj>
11.4 lost sound, mouse keyboard in vmware console but works fine from vncserver
<andreasdr[m]>
Damn.
<andreasdr[m]>
I love to use OSes on bare metal though.,
<andreasdr[m]>
I love to use OSes on bare metal though.
<andreasdr[m]>
x512: May I ask If there are news about AMD 3D drivers? You dont need to answer, if you dont feel like it.
<x512[m]>
I finished migration to Syncobj and confirmed stable operation. Old code path with lock at command buffer schedule is removed. Blender now seems work much faster.
<x512[m]>
Syncobj is required for proper Vulkan multithreaded operation.
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<rennj>
it took till like 2019 before the amdgpu was on par with closed source fglrx
<rennj>
i so wanted to bail on the closed source driver cause the x11 ABI was old, and i was stuck running older xorg just for that one driver
<rennj>
and that was linux
<AbortRetryFail>
Haiku is the only thing that runs on this EeePC that's still responsive :D
<AbortRetryFail>
Thanks to the folks working on it
<AbortRetryFail>
<3
<andreasdr[m]>
x512: Thank you! Nice!!!
<waddlesplash>
AbortRetryFail: well thank you for being supportive :)
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<andreasdr[m]>
Yes. AMDGPU did not work well with XT5700. I sold that card and now I have a solid VEGA56 working.
<andreasdr[m]>
Maybe I upgrade to VEGA64.
<andreasdr[m]>
Guess it work well too.
<andreasdr[m]>
But graphics cards are so expensive these days.
<andreasdr[m]>
But the VEGA56 does very well. Perfekt 2k gaming graphics board.
<andreasdr[m]>
The 5700XT was just a brute force monster.
<andreasdr[m]>
In terms of beeing not efficient.
<andreasdr[m]>
Played yesterday "BlairWitch Project". Awesome graphics.
<andreasdr[m]>
Ha. We can maybe play on Haiku some day.
<andreasdr[m]>
And I learned something. The other RX480 was overclocked by default. Its a very bad idea to buy such a card, if your computer can not put the warm air outside by cooling. The card would play "BlairWitch Project" and same FPS like VEGA56, but every 10 seconds it slowed down processing because of heath. FPS got down to -30FPS and then go again with 100%. So unplayable. Never buy a overclocked card. Makes no sense.
<andreasdr[m]>
:x
<andreasdr[m]>
I have the RX480 now im my eGPU box for the Mac.
<rennj>
60watts lightbulb in a box
<rennj>
heat!
<rennj>
the laws of thermodynamics will not be denied
<andreasdr[m]>
Yep.
<rennj>
like nand storage and quantum tunneling
<rennj>
put the ssd on shelf not powered on
<rennj>
shelf life of ssd vs hd no power...
<x512[m]>
andreasdr: For now GFX 8 support (RX 500 series) is planned to be implemented next.
<x512[m]>
I have RX 550 for testing.
<andreasdr[m]>
Nice!!! Do you plan VEGA54 also? or VEGA64? Or should I downgrade to 5xx?
<x512[m]>
Later. I have no VEGA series for testing.
<andreasdr[m]>
Damn. We might want to spend such a card then maybe for you.
<andreasdr[m]>
But step by step I guess.
<x512[m]>
Only integrated VEGA series seems have reasonable price. Or I am wrong?
<andreasdr[m]>
Hmm. They would usually be like 200€ max, but currently buying graphics boards is broken.
<andreasdr[m]>
Le me do a quick google.
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<andreasdr[m]>
LOL. You cant easily buy today a VEGA56 or VEGA64. Unbelievable. Is this in other countries than Germany also the case?
<andreasdr[m]>
I paid for me like 2017 300€
<andreasdr[m]>
Is it possible to buy a VEGA56 in Japan?
<rennj>
the just in time supply chain got broke during covid
<rennj>
Toyota jit!
<andreasdr[m]>
Yes. Also the Crypto BS broke buying graphics boards.
<andreasdr[m]>
I check If I could get a used one.
<andreasdr[m]>
300€ to 500€ for a used one.
<andreasdr[m]>
LOL.
<andreasdr[m]>
x512: Maybe if you would be at state to implement VEGA support, then let me know, I can try to get you a VEGA56. Maybe someone wants to additionally help then.
<andreasdr[m]>
:x
<andreasdr[m]>
So let me know.
<x512[m]>
Later. I plan go get GFX 8 (RX 500 series) working first. Multiple users reported to have such GPU.
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<x512[m]>
Another topic is implementing modesetting and display output. Currently HDMI and DVI modesetting is not working for GFX 6+, I use UEFI modesetting for now.
<andreasdr[m]>
Ok. Yes. Cool.
<andreasdr[m]>
So last question. I guess you already have RX480 support? So at least I could try with my RX480 to see some Haiku HW 3D :DDD
<andreasdr[m]>
After you have released.
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<x512[m]>
There are currently RX 500 series support, but I plan to implement it soon.
<x512[m]>
no RX 500 series support
<andreasdr[m]>
Ok. :x
<x512[m]>
I can publish some test build release like with RISC-V when it become functional.
<andreasdr[m]>
Sure. No hurry, no worries. I will wait patiently :)