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<erysdren> heh, yeah
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<HaikuUser> just testing out what this whole vision autoconnecting thing is about
<HaikuUser> ill login with my actual account
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<ksp> alright im in and identified
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<zdykstra> Hello hello ksp
<ksp> im already on matrix, just checking out vision as a client
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<ksp> vision kicked me out for some reason
<ksp> would be nice if the haiku versions of gtk and qt bundled a haiku like theme
<ksp> just got told im a robot while trying to access a website via webpositive, was i lied to all my life
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<OscarL> ksp: regarding Qt integration.... do you have installed "qthaikuplugins"? (https://depot.haiku-os.org/#!/pkg/qthaikuplugins/haikuports/haikuports_x86_64/5/15/2.36/-/1/x86_64). From what I remember when trying some Qt apps... to me they almost felt better on Haiku than on Linux. :-D
<OscarL> Haven't tried any GTK, so... no idea there, but Qt based apps should look really well on Haiku.
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<OscarL> I can't recall having to manually install qthaikuplugins... but also, can't find any package that has it as a hard requirement. Seems I'd have it installed as a build dependency.
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<trungnt2910[m]> What is the "correct" way to use be_app during initialization from main()?
<augiedoggie> after you've created a BApplication?
<trungnt2910[m]> Should I call Run() and then let main() return (let the looper thread keep the app alive after the main thread has quitted)?
<trungnt2910[m]> Or should I call Lock() and then Loop() on the main thread itself?
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<trungnt2910[m]> So, by convention, Haiku app devs usually let the main thread die and keep the app alive using the looper thread?
<trungnt2910[m]> > This behavior for console programs is mandated by the C language, which says that (5.1.2.2.3) “a return from the initial call to the main function is equivalent to calling the exit function with the value returned by the main function as its argument.” The C++ language has an equivalent requirement (3.6.1).
<trungnt2910[m]> Even if it violates C standard?
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<x512[m]> If main thread exit, all other threads automatically terminate.
<trungnt2910[m]> x512[m]: Then how does this code work?
<trungnt2910[m]> app.Run() spawns a new thread and returns the thread ID.
<x512[m]> BApplication::Run actually do event loop and don't spawn threads.
<x512[m]> It redefine behavior of BLooper::Run.
<x512[m]> BApplication::Run block until application quits.
<trungnt2910[m]> Hmm, strange.
<x512[m]> You can see it by stack trace in my SystemManager.
<trungnt2910[m]> This means that my bindings must have done something wrong...
<trungnt2910[m]> When I called Run() the function returned 3 immediately.
<trungnt2910[m]> Don't know what that 3 is supposed to mean.
<x512[m]> Also it is possible to create BApplication and call Run only once.
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<botifico-e32c8fbd> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/d24bd4f8af28...68222ce91bed
<botifico-e32c8fbd> [haikuports/haikuports] Powerm1nt 68222ce - idea_community_bin: bump version to 2023.1 (#9048)
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
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<Begasus> OscarL!
* OscarL just logs-in to say "Hello, my friend!!" to Begasus.
<OscarL> damn... old Begasus is just too fast for me :-D
<Begasus> what have you been up to? started to get worried here
<Begasus> hope all is good there, nice to see you back! :)
<OscarL> I'm sorry I made you worry, my good Begasus! A mix of things.... some health/pain complications.... some overdue house chores I needed to attend to... and my mother made a 1800 Km trip to visit me so... I've been a bit too busy with "real life" :-D
<Begasus> fair enough OscarL, was just used you being around, when (if) I start back to work I wont be around that much also, but that's not for a short while :)
<OscarL> I've tried to keep track of things but... was not always in the right mood. I *did* read you wondering about me a couple of times, much appreciated, dear Begasus!
<Begasus> Good thing you didn't disapear in thin air like DaaT did back then :)
<OscarL> Oh, no.... I might not show my face from time to time... but unless something more "definitive" happens... I'll always come back (either here, or at least on Trac :-P).
<Begasus> You still commented a few times on github, so I knew you were still around in the background :)
<OscarL> That was my way of saying... still here... will come back when I can :-)
<Begasus> +1
<OscarL> How about you, my estimated fellow?
<Begasus> in the meantime, taking a brake from python here and doing some kde things
* OscarL also needs a break from python packacking things :-D
<Begasus> Thanks for asking, so far so good, got a small surgery to the heart planned at the end of the month
<OscarL> that was what I was wondering.... so... you're good enough to actually go to surgery? that's actually awesome!
* OscarL reiterates his best wishes on that.
<Begasus> yeah, the clob is gone, the electro shock they gave me stabalized the heart rithm
<OscarL> fantastic!
<Begasus> thanks :)
<Begasus> well, doing some kde things I've created a template for the recipes too, it's deff library hell there too :)
<OscarL> all will be well. And we'll be soooo, soooo lucky to have a "fixed" Begasus.... hoping it will last us at least 5 more decades! :-)
<Begasus> whoot, not sure every one would be happy there ;)
* Begasus counts ... 50 extra years ... that makes me ... 0_°
<OscarL> as long as we're happy.... who cares :-P
<Begasus> Maybe R1 will be out then :P
<OscarL> at least some Release Candidate, I would hope :-P
<Begasus> PS, running 64bit native on this laptop now, it ROCKS!!
<Begasus> 11 dependencies (new recipes) for calendarsupport ...
<OscarL> Always so good to read you, my dear Begasus. I know "dear" might not be to your liking but... here in the sounth... we are a bit too warmth for you good EU fellows :-).
<OscarL> Read a couple of your messages regarding your new laptop. Glad it works well for you. Specially with your wifi adapter :-)
<Begasus> yeah :D
<Begasus> got like an external USB connector, can get up to 4 usb devices hooked up on it (one being the dongle)
<OscarL> That sounds great.
<Begasus> only 2 USB ports, no touchpad, so had to improvise there :)
<OscarL> Specially considering how little usb ports new laptops tend to have.
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<OscarL> Begasus: Read about your non working touchpad. Warm vs cold boot make any difference, or it never works?
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<Begasus> warm boot isn't really an option, the dongle doesn't connect then
<OscarL> ja... looks like one of our home made devices :-)
<Begasus> heh
<OscarL> (we used to build similar things to test "fiscal printers" where I used to work)
<Begasus> still had a gift card from work, so that was good enough to buy the dongle and the exterder
<Begasus> my oldest brother was like that also
<OscarL> Begasus: this might sound silly but... have you filed a ticket yet for your hardware?
<OscarL> considering the WHOLE LOT of work you do for Haiku...
<OscarL> one would guess that if you file a ticket with enough info about your hardware...
<OscarL> specially considering it is no THAT crazy (touchpad).... people with the right skills might be willing to lend a hand.
<OscarL> People might not have your hardware, but... they *know* you won't just dissapear, and that you'll do your best to try things out.
<Begasus> I can live without OscarL :) (on the other laptop it even bothers me, while typing I useualy touch it with my hand and things start scrolling or the like) :)
<Begasus> internal wifi doesn't work either, but waddlesplash already replied to me about that one
<OscarL> (unlike regular "just trying HaikOS for the first time, this HW don't work, bye!".... we tend to have... and those are the ones that at least open a ticket :-P)
<Begasus> yeah, if I file a ticket it would be one that is needed for me, so far I'm good on this one
<PulkoMandy> OscarL: I have not figured out touchpad on my own laptop yet, you know :D
<OscarL> My sentiment is that... the touchpad thing might be more workable that it seems at first glance.... you just might need to push a bit for people to notice :-P
<Begasus> only too bad 32bit doesn't boot on this one, so I HAD to install 64bit
<PulkoMandy> (well, I know some of the needed steps, but I have not made much progress yet)
<OscarL> PulkoMandy: oh... right.... forgot about that one :-)
<OscarL> So... forget about what I've said then Begasus :-P
<OscarL> BTW, nice to read you again Adrien!
<Begasus> it's a known issue, and I'm sure there is (are) atleast a ticket for it
<OscarL> So... even with the chat being quieter without me here... seems we had some new-users influx lately, yes?
<Begasus> yeah, even if those aren't on the chat (big overhaul PR at haikuporter)
* OscarL might have missed that.
<OscarL> any link?
<Begasus> I should test this with default and the new changes, feels like the new changes made haikuporter faster ....
<Begasus> time for the dogs, biab
<OscarL> "feels like the new changes made haikuporter faster".... our Pythons being finally able to use some optimizations might play some role there :-D
<OscarL> Say hi to the doggos!!!
<Begasus> will do :)
* OscarL disconnects for today... but not witout first leavign some salutations to the usual suspects.... you know who you are :-P
<OscarL> See you soon fellows!
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<Begasus> cu soon oscarL :)
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<Begasus> well, some success .... https://ibb.co/hCZkVYB
<Begasus> Kalendar running, but doesn't seem to function, can't set an appointment etc ... :)
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<clu__> is there a central place for feature requests? Not expecting developers to drop everything to make my wishes a reality or anything, just wondering
<Begasus> maybe at the bugtracker?
<Begasus> file a ticket and see what the response is :)
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<clu__> haiku doesn't have a compositor right?
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<Diver> clu__: ot doesn't
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<Begasus> arghh .. back to python :/
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<Anarchos> Begasus why ?
* Anarchos finds python so awful…
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<Begasus> for some other library Anarchos :/
<Begasus> and pycairo isn't complete (the one in our repo)
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<clu__> so if there's no compositor, how are the opengl apps rendered? The teapot thing says 990fps or something but the screen settings only go up to 75Hz
<clu__> are there data races in the haiku display driver grabbing a frame for displaying on the screen mid-draw?
<x512[m]> Yes, there are tearing.
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<clu__> is a compositor within the scope of the project or does it go against haiku design principles? I did notice it was really light on memory which is nice, and a compositor would be heavier than what is in place now I think
<x512[m]> Some kind of compositor would be needed to avoid tearing on modern hardware.
<x512[m]> It is technically possible to use compositor, but display all non 3D-accelerated windows in single compositor surface to reduce memory usage.
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<x512[m]> First it will need big graphics driver API refactor. Current API is really ancient and bad designed.
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<Haikuhunden> Hmm. Seems I am getting no sound whatsoever from my Mac Mini. I have a stream playing in MediaPlayer and the VU meter is moving, but neither headphones nor internal speaker say a peep. In Media / Audio settings I can only choose one channel and one output (HD Audio)
<Haikuhunden> is there anything else I can try to get sound going?
<Haikuhunden> Maybe OpenSound?
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<zard> Maybe https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/haiku-on-mac/8815 can help. You can search for sound. Maybe there is something helpful there
<botifico-e32c8fbd> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/68222ce91bed...07722c9229df
<botifico-e32c8fbd> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 07722c9 - mpfr, move pkgconfig to where it can be found (#9050)
<Begasus> PulkoMandy, any progress on webkit? getting some issues here with WebPositive ...
<Helvedeshunden[m]> <zard> "Maybe https://discuss.haiku-os...." <- It seems like people either have the jack working or nothing at all. I have nothing at all - but I'm not sure if it's that stupid optical connection sensor that kicks in and stops it from working. osstest said everything worked fine.
<botifico-e32c8fbd> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/07722c9229df...16f9a7a3665a
<botifico-e32c8fbd> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 16f9a7a - olm, move pkgconfig file to where it can be found (#9051)
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<andreasdr[m]> Hi there.
<andreasdr[m]> x512: I just wanted to say Hi (regarding Arrrrrrr)
<PulkoMandy> Begasus: I posted an update on the forum, I will make a new release today
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<Begasus> Thanks PulkoMandy
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<Begasus> eeps! connection failed: [Errno 28] No space left on device (buildmaster)?
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] korli pushed 1 commit to master [hrev57155] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=b7b57869e8a1+%5E5a86b40e33c1
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] b7b57869e8a1 - unix: Implement datagram sockets
<zdykstra> wooh, nice!
<waddlesplash> Begasus: ouch
<bbjimmy> who messed up the trash icon? There is now a horizontal line from the top left corner to the top right corner. hrev57149 x86_64
<waddlesplash> bbjimmy: regression in libicon. already tracked in a ticket, and cause tracked down
<bbjimmy> :)
<zard> And I just finished putting the fix into Gerrit :D
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [hrev57156] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=c5abd6a79698+%5Eb7b57869e8a1
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] c5abd6a79698 - libicon: Notify Shape on transformer addition/removal
<waddlesplash> :)
<zard> Well that was fast. Now just update tomorrow and all should be well :)
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<Begasus> waddlesplash, it wasn't me this time ;)
<waddlesplash> indeed not :)
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<B2IA> (Butler) Welcome to BeShare.agmsmith.ca.
<B2IA> (AGMS) Oops, accidental BeShare server reboot. Sorry for the noise.
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<botifico-e32c8fbd> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-1/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/16f9a7a3665a...e1e5458a1135
<botifico-e32c8fbd> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus e1e5458 - pycairo, cleanup, move to meson build (#9052)
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<botifico-e32c8fbd> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/e1e5458a1135...29259c25049b
<botifico-e32c8fbd> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 29259c2 - pygobject, new recipe (#9053)
<Begasus> closing down, g'night peeps
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<botifico-e32c8fbd> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/29259c25049b...16bd13349c2a
<botifico-e32c8fbd> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy 16bd133 - HaikuWebKit 1.9.6
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<Halian> o/
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<Halian> Diver: fix your Internet
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<Halian> waddlesplash: more joinquit spam
<waddlesplash> ah
<andreasdr[m]> Whats up?
<Halian> andreasdr[m]: a user's having Internet trouble, so they're flooding the channel with repeated /join, (automated) /nick, and /quit messages
<andreasdr[m]> Who cares. It just happens. I dont see any responsibility in a specific person here.
<andreasdr[m]> of
<andreasdr[m]> We have internet issues here in Berlin pretty often with VODAFONE.
<andreasdr[m]> I cant do anything about it
<andreasdr[m]> Just file a ticket
<Halian> You should care, because it disrputs the ability to hold conversations here by pushing previous messages further and further upward
<Halian> (or downward, if that's how your client's configured)
<andreasdr[m]> Thats simply not true. You can just overread those messages.
<andreasdr[m]> :x
<Halian> :|
<andreasdr[m]> :)
<puck_> andreasdr[m]: the quits/joins show up very differently on matrix, and very less obtrusive
<andreasdr[m]> :DDD
<andreasdr[m]> Lets just celebrate the state of Haiku OS.
<andreasdr[m]> So much work has been done!!!
<andreasdr[m]> Super curious about the future of Haiku OS.
<Halian> puck_: ahh, okay
* Halian knows next to nothing about Matrix :x
<andreasdr[m]> Ok. But how can a normal person fix the internet of a company that provides internet.
<Halian> Unfortunately we can only address the symptoms, not the disease
<andreasdr[m]> Ok. Maybe someone can adjust the connect/disconnect messages to be not displayed?
<andreasdr[m]> No idea.
<Halian> That shouldn't have to be made necessary.
<Halian> waddlesplash: while I have your ear— where can one find a list of advanced debug options for Haiku? since, given the bootloader-kernel transition freezes my computer, that's all I can think of to try and change my situation
<Halian> *Haiku's bootloader
<waddlesplash> unfortunately none for debugging that transition
<waddlesplash> at present, you need a serial line
<Halian> Well crud
<waddlesplash> and even then you may need to modify parts of the bootloader to get more info and recompile it
<Halian> That's beyond my knowledge, I fear
<waddlesplash> it may be possible to edit the bootloader to support sending serial out to onscreen debug before kernel handoff
<waddlesplash> it doesn't do that at present, but maybe it could
<Halian> I don't think my current desktop even has a serial output
<Halian> Ah
<puck_> doing on-screen earlycon seems very doable, hmm
<andreasdr[m]> Halian: Do you have a very specific hardware?
<Halian> andreasdr[m]: Very specific how? I'm not sure what you're asking
<Halian> Lemme grab the specs
<andreasdr[m]> On all my computers I could boot haiku.
<andreasdr[m]> Yay. I love specs.
<Halian> B3
<andreasdr[m]> Hm. That looks amazing!
<andreasdr[m]> I have run Haiku on a 8 core Ryzen and 16 core Ryzen. Maybe some incompatibility with the mainboard. I had troubles regarding secure boot.
<Halian> Secure Boot is disabled
<andreasdr[m]> Ok. Damn. Chipset issue maybe. I have no idea.
<Halian> Same :(
<andreasdr[m]> Hm. Maybe get that serial cable :DDD
<Halian> [20230719|184947] <Halian> I don't think my current desktop even has a serial output ← >w<
<Halian> There are headers on the mobo for one, so I suppose I'll just have to get a serial port lol
<Halian> *I think there
<Halian> andreasdr[m]: I need a null modem cable, right?
<andreasdr[m]> I dont know 100%. You need to ask a kerrnel developer here from HaikuOS.
<andreasdr[m]> Maybe its even already documented.
<Halian> waddlesplash: ?
<andreasdr[m]> I would be interested in that too.
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<AlienSoldier> seem the trashcan icon in empty mode is borked. There is a "triangle on it now after an upgrade.
<AlienSoldier> also killing tracker kick my bug with having icon no longer in good place if i have a low res workspace mong my hi res ones.
<AlienSoldier> and trashcan icon is still borkeing after that tracker restart
<AlienSoldier> ... all other icon seem fine so far that said