<win8linux[m]>
erysdren: Enjoying Haiku quite well on the laptop so far, though the UEFI seems to set a resolution of 1080p on a 1920x1200 display.
<win8linux[m]>
So, everything looks stretched a bit tall.'
<win8linux[m]>
So, everything looks stretched a bit tall.
<erysdren>
oh yeah, the EFI framebuffer driver is limited to certain resolutions, i guess just like VESA
<win8linux[m]>
Not enough to be too much of a bother, thankfully.
<erysdren>
not Haiku's fault as far as i know
<HaikuUser>
(Is #haiku-offtopic preferred for this? I suppose small talk goes there? At any rate, ) I'm enjoying it so far! IRC seems fun.
<HaikuUser>
Responding to erysdren, sorry
<erysdren>
nah, everyone just talks here
<win8linux[m]>
Mostly its just circles being more like tall ellipses and every font looking like a condensed variant.
<win8linux[m]>
s/its/it's/
<erysdren>
i don't think the other haiku channels are regularly used by anyone. there's also #haiku-3rdparty
<HaikuUser>
Huh, now I can say finally I know a sed command lol
<erysdren>
never got the hang of sed... i probably should :P
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<HaikuUser>
Yeah, heh.
<HaikuUser>
I installed Haiku on an old Dell Latitude D630, and am enjoying it. WiFi mostly just works. Some hardware doesn't work though, like speakers and mic. A piece of hardware I want to get working if I can is the pointing stick...
<HaikuUser>
Surprisingly, the touchpad works but the trackpoint / pointing stick doesn't.
<erysdren>
ya, haiku is great for old laptops. it works almost perfectly for me on a ThinkPad Z60t
<erysdren>
fully supports the touchpad, integrated gpu, and speakers
<HaikuUser>
Neat. Always wanted an old Thinkpad, but this Latitude is pretty awesome too :) Really the only way new laptops beat old ones is raw specs and power, old computers just seem to be designed better
<HaikuUser>
From my limited experience
<erysdren>
i have yet to build a really good early 2000s PC rig, mostly because of money
<erysdren>
i also kinda want to build a sorta ~1996 era PC with all the bells and whistles, but time and money.
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<win8linux[m]>
waddlesplash: Are you still maintaining BePDF?
<win8linux[m]>
Asking since I'm trying out this PDF-based point-and-click game and the pagelinks in it seem to be jumping to incorrect pages:
<win8linux[m]>
Side note: This is a great document for stress-testing PDF readers in general.
<win8linux[m]>
At least BePDF can load the pages, even if it takes a while intially.
<win8linux[m]>
Some PDF readers (including Adobe Acrobat) choke on it.
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<Begasus>
g'morning peeps
<win8linux[m]>
Hello, Begasus!
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<erysdren>
ahoy Begasus!!
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<Begasus>
Hi win8linux[m] erysdren
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<Begasus>
augiedoggie (not sure if you're still awake), I find this Gentoo page also quite handy when it comes to looking for packages: https://packages.gentoo.org/categories
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<Begasus>
that's also linked when you sear at repology
<Begasus>
search*
<augiedoggie>
the link right below it is the overlay search
<augiedoggie>
i don't really care if you want to change it something else
<Begasus>
looking at the one you changed, maybe it's not as easy to search packages there?
<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] PocketNerdIO 959f465 - mame: Move patchset to correct location for 0.264; bump revision (#10276)
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<Begasus>
gitk seems to be fine :) (just saw my first commit at haikuports was from 2009-03-07, 15 years!) :P
<win8linux[m]>
Begasus: Trying to compile a Qt 5 app on Haiku, but it is looking for a module called x11extras.
<win8linux[m]>
Is there a package that provides this?
<Begasus>
no go there win8linux[m]
<Begasus>
there is no x11extras :)
<Begasus>
can't you disable it?
<win8linux[m]>
How?
<Begasus>
checked the build files? cmake/configure/meson?
<Begasus>
read the source Luke! :)
<Begasus>
or you could just grep for it in the source to find it quicker :)
<win8linux[m]>
No, as in IDK how to do that with qmake.
<Begasus>
looked into the .pro file?
<Begasus>
try opening it with qt-creator, sometimes it shows additional options there
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<Anarchos>
Hello !!
<Begasus>
hi Anarchos!
<Begasus>
win8linux[m], sometimes it's enough to disable X11 (if possible)
<Anarchos>
Begasus: i finally managed to compile compcert on haiku :)
<Begasus>
cool Anarchos! does it work as expected?
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<coolcoder613>
Anarchos: +1
<Anarchos>
Begasus: well some sort : the compiler works perfectly fine, but our standard headers are only able to accept some _GNU__ defined to detecte the ABU. But there is a hack already in BeBuild.h to detecte __TINYC__ so i will look to this path.
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<Begasus>
progress! :)
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<Anarchos>
a C certified compiler would be a rather cool item indeed :)
<Anarchos>
and gtksourceview3 is a byproduct ;)
<Begasus>
if you can finish up on that it can be merged so it's out of your hair :P
<Begasus>
k, mame still building, that will take some time
<Begasus>
biab
<Anarchos>
Begasus: oh and i got my brand new laptop !! Can't wait to play with it :)
<win8linux[m]>
Begasus: Haven't found a way to disable X11 yet, but I did find out that it can be compiled with Qt 6 if qt6_5compat is present.
<win8linux[m]>
Besides that dep and changing 5s to 6s, do Qt 6 apps need any other dep changes/
<win8linux[m]>
s///?/
<Anarchos>
win8linux[m]: s+/+?+ :)
<coolcoder613>
Or s]/]?]
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<Begasus>
//\/
<Begasus>
//\?
<Begasus>
that should be the one I think ;)
<Begasus>
win8linux[m] libQt6Core5Compat has been passing by quite often here lately ;)
<Begasus>
ps, Qt6.7 is out :P
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<Begasus>
another advantage, having a buidl setup for Haiku I can see if new libraries brake it or not (checking out zstd 1.5.6)
<Begasus>
one liner: My brother-in-law was going to buy my sister a new computer for her birthday. He told me he was even going to buy her a copy of Google for it. She's so lucky. :P
<coolcoder613>
Back in the mid-eighties, the high school I went to had just purchased a handful of 8086s along with some basic hardware -- at that time these things still were horribly expensive. A few weeks later, the computer lab was broken into and some of the hardware stolen. But the computers themselves had been left untouched: only the monitors and keyboards were gone. Apparently, the only computers the thieves had known were C64s or
<coolcoder613>
Apple II's, where the computer and keyboard are part of the same unit. Imagine the frustration when these guys tried to get the stolen machines to work!
<Begasus>
heh
<coolcoder613>
I own a computer store. One day, two policemen came into the store and told that they owned a 486 and a 286. They asked if a 486 and a 286 could be assembled together into a 686. I replied to the dumb request by asking them if two 200 horsepower police cars can be used to make up a 400 horsepower Ferrari. The policemen didn't get it and replied angrily that altering car engines is strictly forbidden by law.
<Begasus>
k, haiku64bit still builds fine with zstd 1.5.6 (and same patchset applies) :)
<Begasus>
man ... I got way too many tabs open in Falkon :P
<phschafft>
Tech Support: "Tell me, is the cursor still there?"
<phschafft>
Customer: "No, I'm alone right now."
<phschafft>
;)
<Begasus>
lol
<phschafft>
never go to the space bar. the drinks are very expensive up there.
<Begasus>
Customer: "I've been connected to the Internet for about ten minutes now, and my computer started smoking about five minutes ago. Is your building on fire?"
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<mbrumbelow>
I am seeing an issue where after ffmpeg6 was introduced, startup sounds hang a processor or alert sounds do the same. This is confirmed for VM and physical hardware. Anyone else seeing this?
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<mbrumbelow>
Then the fans come on...
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<waddlesplash>
mbrumbelow: I don't use alert sounds, personally
<waddlesplash>
do the sounds play in media player?
<waddlesplash>
either way this sounds like a regression and needs a ticket
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<Begasus>
switching color scheme ...
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<Begasus>
2034 packages in system/packages :)
<nosycat>
Whoa.
<Begasus>
and giving swift-lang another poke atm :)
<nosycat>
Sounds good!
<Begasus>
well, previous attemps always failed, so not expecting anything new there
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<Halamix2_>
I reeealy need to check how to set up an IRC bouncer properly to have channel hitsory on multiple devices
<Begasus>
hop in the matrix? ;)
<Halamix2_>
oh, that could work too :P
* dovsienko
vaguely recalls one of the Haiku ports has an IRC client with a built-in similar feature
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<Begasus>
Vision can keep logs, but only on local device
<Begasus>
and only when you are online
<Begasus>
food ... biab
<nosycat>
Enjoy!
<nosycat>
Makes sense, HexChat works the same way.
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<dovsienko>
Quassel it is (have not tried)
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<Begasus>
closing down here, cu peeps
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<mbrumbelow>
waddlesplash: the sounds play just fine.
<mbrumbelow>
I will file a ticket.
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<gordonjcp>
Halamix2: inexpensive VPS, run irssi in screen ;-)
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<_leosma>
Hi everyone, anyone with experience on Rust on Haiku? I'm trying to compile a crate but I'm having a problem with the rust compiler not found by the build system... its probably a vary newbie problem but its my fist experience with developing on Haiku
<Anarchos>
_leosma i used 'cargo release' and no trouble with it
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<_leosma>
cargo: command not found
<_leosma>
I do have cargo-x86
<_leosma>
as well as rustc-x86 and all the other rust tools
<_leosma>
but I cant create a symbolic link...
<_leosma>
Am I missing something?
<Anarchos>
no idea
<Anarchos>
i just use 'cargo' to build mm0-rs from time tot time
<_leosma>
did you install rust from haikudepot ?
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<OscarL>
_leosma: he's using the 64 bits version, that lacks the "-x86" suffix.
<Anarchos>
_leosma yes
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<OscarL>
_leosma: in general, you should be able to create symlinks, but not under "/boot/system/bin/" (read-only), instead, use "/boot/system/non-packaged/bin/", or "/boot/home/config/non-packaged/bin/"
<OscarL>
_leosma: the added "-x86" suffix is common on the 32 bits version of Haiku... because there you can have things compiled with either GCC2 (x86_gcc2 "architecture"), or with modern GCC13 (x86 "secondary architecture").
<OscarL>
for programs that only are supported in the latter, the suffixes shouldn't be needed. I think you could just file a bug report about that, over https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/issues
<augiedoggie>
or use `setarch x86`
<OscarL>
that too :-D
<OscarL>
(I never remember that one, except in the context of GCC)
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<_leosma>
OscarL: gotcha
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<_leosma>
thanks OscarL
<OscarL>
np, be sure to try augiedoggie's suggestion in the meantime!
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<_leosma>
just did it... it works
<_leosma>
thanks augiedoggie!
<augiedoggie>
np
<_leosma>
just remembered I installed the 32bits version. I'll have to upgrade at some point
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<Anarchos>
bummer that the blame option is broken on xref.landonf.org...
<OscarL>
Anarchos: either do it locally (you can "--unshallow" your clone if needed), or use "blame" links from https://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/
<Anarchos>
OscarL i know 'git blame', but it was really convenient on xref.landonf when it used to work...
<OscarL>
understood. just offering alternatives.
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<Anarchos>
OscarL i appreciate :)
<OscarL>
with some minimal effort, one should be able to write a "bookmarklet" that takes a link from "xref.landonf", and opens the same path but on "cgit.haiku-org" (ultimate laziness! :-P)
<augiedoggie>
you need to configure the build and run jam from inside your "generated" directory
<OscarL>
Golemwire: as the author of "serial_mouse" driver... if you don't plan on fix it... I'd say... don't waste time on it :-)
<OscarL>
I should give it a try again sometime... but... I get easily distracted, and my previous attempts at fixing it were unsuccessful (but lead to a few things fixed on the rest of the system, at least).
<OscarL>
Golemwire: if you DO intend to work on it... that would be awesome :-)
<Golemwire>
Oh lol OK. I thought it would be fun to try to get this old mouse to work, maybe I'll tinkerer with the driver someday. Thanks
<Golemwire>
Maybe after college has me write a driver I'll understand driver code better :)
<OscarL>
It used to work (for some mice, and with some rough edges)... but that was on BeOS.
<OscarL>
augiedoggie: I've never ran jam from inside "generated". Any major pitfalls for not doing so?
<augiedoggie>
i think it might default to using "generated" if it exists but my directories are usually named different
<augiedoggie>
when you run jam from somewhere else in the tree
<augiedoggie>
it's been a long time since i've tried though, i may be misremembering
<OscarL>
I see, thank.
<augiedoggie>
but it needs somewhere to put the object files, so some type of generated folder must exist
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<OscarL>
I do have "haiku/generated", yes. and that's under where I look for the resulting bins I compile :-)
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<Anarchos>
OscarL if you plan to build haiku for only one platform, you can configure and jam from the haiku top dir. If you want ot play with x86_64 and x86_gcc2 you better separate your builds in their own respective generated.XXX folders
<OscarL>
Anarchos: Right, thanks! I was just reading ReadMe.Compiling.md and seeing "cd haiku/generated.x86_64" in the context of cross-compiling.
* OscarL
only ever does haiku-on-haiku, and without ever using buildtools.
<OscarL>
so I guess that's why it worked for me :-D
<Anarchos>
OscarL so you are fine
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<_leosma>
augiedoggie: my compilation failed because the "file system does not accept hard links". Any ideas?
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<coolcoder613_32>
Good morning
<OscarL>
hi coolcoder613_32.
<OscarL>
_leosma: BFS (the filesystem Haiku uses) doesn't supports hard-links. You either need to change the build system for that software, or use an ext4 partition, I guess.
<_leosma>
ah ok, thanks
<_leosma>
I'll look that up
<OscarL>
_leosma: some of the .recipes over HaikuPort change "ln" to "ln -s" on makefiles and such, for that reason.
<_leosma>
I can install Haiku on ext4?
<OscarL>
_leosma: no, but you could have an ext4 partition along side.
<_leosma>
OscarL: gotcha
<OscarL>
I'd check if you can just change "ln" to "ln -s" in that build system.
<_leosma>
it compiled fine, only failed in the linking process due to this hard linking problem
<_leosma>
I must admit I have to experience with Rust so I'll have to dig into the build system to see where it call "ln"
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<Anarchos>
i finally found why a simple posix test failed on haiku for an obscure lib : SIGKILL is giver a priority so it is delivered before SIGUSR1 even if SIGUSR1 is ssignaled before
<Anarchos>
not sure what posix says about signals and priorities ?
<OscarL>
_leosma: can't find any place where it calls 'ln' directly. Maybe some depedency package does? (I've no clue about rust/cargo, sorry).
<OscarL>
_leosma: but... if you're just looking for a lightweight TeX/LaTeX alternative... we do have "lout" in the repos (and the Pe editor has nice support for it).
* OscarL
wrote Lout's addon for Pe, so... take his comment with a grain of salt :-P
<_leosma>
hahaha
<_leosma>
great I'll check it out, but I need typst for a shared project I have with some colleagues
<OscarL>
Ah, I see. Welp. Hope you get typst working at some point!
<_leosma>
furthermore, if I manage to compile it I might help others who get interested here
<_leosma>
right now I'm on another task, but I'll come back to it this weekend
<OscarL>
*those haiku depot URL are really fugly! :-)
<Anarchos>
OscarL did you just use the git clone from typst , whithout patching ?
<_leosma>
Anarchos: I did git clone without pathcing yes
<Anarchos>
_leosma ok let me try to build it
<Anarchos>
i am cloning
<_leosma>
ok
<_leosma>
let me know if it ork for you
<_leosma>
*it works
<Anarchos>
_leosma sure
<Anarchos>
_leosma by the way you can also do «set -x » in Terminal before launching cargo, to see what commands are runned in background by the buidl
<Anarchos>
and «set +x» to revert.
<_leosma>
Anarchos: gotcha
<Anarchos>
_leosma it is downloading 160 crates.
<_leosma>
yeah it takes a while do compile for the first time, especially on my 2011 hardware
<Anarchos>
_leosma fortunately my 2011 laptop is connected to a quad core i3 server :)
<Anarchos>
all crates are downloaded.
<_leosma>
my laptop is not that bad and its an i5
<_leosma>
:)
<_leosma>
quad core as well
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<Anarchos>
_leosma my laptop is an awful Toshiba with AMD-C50 cpu. but was cheap.
<Anarchos>
_leosma building (===> 111/344)
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<_leosma>
Anarchos: mine was free, they were getting rid of them at work. Just needed a little love and its back up and running Haiku better than new :)
<_leosma>
only problem is the damned battery that dies in 30 mins of usage
<Anarchos>
_leosma i always get rid of battery on laptops. they are not meant to run continuously on them...
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<_leosma>
true, but nowadays they're glued inside
<Anarchos>
_leosma 228/344
<_leosma>
almos there
<Anarchos>
288
<Anarchos>
342 building typst
<_leosma>
i did it again: out of memory this time
<_leosma>
it gets stuck in 339/344
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<Anarchos>
_leosma still building
<_leosma>
heheh
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<Anarchos>
mmu_man plop
<Anarchos>
_leosma still building...
<_leosma>
wow... hehehe
<_leosma>
how are the resources of your computer?
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<Anarchos>
_leosma strange : rustc is always on wait state
<_leosma>
yes indeed
<_leosma>
when mine crashed I get a window... It wont unlock until I click OK
<_leosma>
maybe thats where you are as well?
<Anarchos>
_leosma rustc still has regular 'opt' processes scheduled, so not stuck
<_leosma>
okay
<_leosma>
lets see then
<Anarchos>
_leosma build 343
<_leosma>
ahhh almost!
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<_-Caleb-__Haiku>
hi all!
<_leosma>
hey
<erysdren>
hi Caleb!
<Anarchos>
_leosma cargo build Finished dev [unoptimized + debuginfo] target(s) in 58m 00s
<Anarchos>
i did it in /tmp
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<Anarchos>
_leosma sorry but time to sleep here
<Anarchos>
_leosma good luck for typst
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<_leosma>
same here
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 28d2323a4b09 - screen: use B_COUNT_OF(), no functional changes