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<win8linux[m]> Begasus: Do Qt 6 programs need any changes besides replacing the 5s to 6s in the recipe deps?
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<erysdren> good morning haiku people
<HaikuUser> Hello. New here. Need a nick. Figuring out the Vision client.
<erysdren> hi! how're you enjoying it so far?
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<win8linux[m]> erysdren: Enjoying Haiku quite well on the laptop so far, though the UEFI seems to set a resolution of 1080p on a 1920x1200 display.
<win8linux[m]> So, everything looks stretched a bit tall.'
<win8linux[m]> So, everything looks stretched a bit tall.
<erysdren> oh yeah, the EFI framebuffer driver is limited to certain resolutions, i guess just like VESA
<win8linux[m]> Not enough to be too much of a bother, thankfully.
<erysdren> not Haiku's fault as far as i know
<HaikuUser> (Is #haiku-offtopic preferred for this? I suppose small talk goes there? At any rate, ) I'm enjoying it so far! IRC seems fun.
<HaikuUser> Responding to erysdren, sorry
<erysdren> nah, everyone just talks here
<win8linux[m]> Mostly its just circles being more like tall ellipses and every font looking like a condensed variant.
<win8linux[m]> s/its/it's/
<erysdren> i don't think the other haiku channels are regularly used by anyone. there's also #haiku-3rdparty
<HaikuUser> Huh, now I can say finally I know a sed command lol
<erysdren> never got the hang of sed... i probably should :P
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<HaikuUser> Yeah, heh.
<HaikuUser> I installed Haiku on an old Dell Latitude D630, and am enjoying it. WiFi mostly just works. Some hardware doesn't work though, like speakers and mic. A piece of hardware I want to get working if I can is the pointing stick...
<HaikuUser> Surprisingly, the touchpad works but the trackpoint / pointing stick doesn't.
<erysdren> ya, haiku is great for old laptops. it works almost perfectly for me on a ThinkPad Z60t
<erysdren> fully supports the touchpad, integrated gpu, and speakers
<HaikuUser> Neat. Always wanted an old Thinkpad, but this Latitude is pretty awesome too :) Really the only way new laptops beat old ones is raw specs and power, old computers just seem to be designed better
<HaikuUser> From my limited experience
<erysdren> i have yet to build a really good early 2000s PC rig, mostly because of money
<erysdren> i also kinda want to build a sorta ~1996 era PC with all the bells and whistles, but time and money.
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<win8linux[m]> waddlesplash: Are you still maintaining BePDF?
<win8linux[m]> Asking since I'm trying out this PDF-based point-and-click game and the pagelinks in it seem to be jumping to incorrect pages:
<win8linux[m]> Side note: This is a great document for stress-testing PDF readers in general.
<win8linux[m]> At least BePDF can load the pages, even if it takes a while intially.
<win8linux[m]> Some PDF readers (including Adobe Acrobat) choke on it.
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
<win8linux[m]> Hello, Begasus!
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<erysdren> ahoy Begasus!!
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<Begasus> Hi win8linux[m] erysdren
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<Begasus> augiedoggie (not sure if you're still awake), I find this Gentoo page also quite handy when it comes to looking for packages: https://packages.gentoo.org/categories
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<Begasus> that's also linked when you sear at repology
<Begasus> search*
<augiedoggie> the link right below it is the overlay search
<augiedoggie> i don't really care if you want to change it something else
<Begasus> looking at the one you changed, maybe it's not as easy to search packages there?
<Begasus> http://gpo.zugaina.org/ also listed, should be good enough :)
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<coolcoder613> Hi Begasus, erysdren, win8linux[m]
<erysdren> hiii
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<erysdren> welcome!
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<erysdren> >:(
<coolcoder613> erysdren: Do you want to play doom with me?
<coolcoder613> GZDoom+FreeDM
<Begasus> Hi coolcoder613
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/5ff0a0c3cafe...959f4656dc6e
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] PocketNerdIO 959f465 - mame: Move patchset to correct location for 0.264; bump revision (#10276)
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<Begasus> gitk seems to be fine :) (just saw my first commit at haikuports was from 2009-03-07, 15 years!) :P
<win8linux[m]> Begasus: Trying to compile a Qt 5 app on Haiku, but it is looking for a module called x11extras.
<win8linux[m]> Is there a package that provides this?
<Begasus> no go there win8linux[m]
<Begasus> there is no x11extras :)
<Begasus> can't you disable it?
<win8linux[m]> How?
<Begasus> checked the build files? cmake/configure/meson?
<Begasus> read the source Luke! :)
<Begasus> or you could just grep for it in the source to find it quicker :)
<win8linux[m]> No, as in IDK how to do that with qmake.
<Begasus> looked into the .pro file?
<Begasus> try opening it with qt-creator, sometimes it shows additional options there
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<Anarchos> Hello !!
<Begasus> hi Anarchos!
<Begasus> win8linux[m], sometimes it's enough to disable X11 (if possible)
<Anarchos> Begasus: i finally managed to compile compcert on haiku :)
<Begasus> cool Anarchos! does it work as expected?
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<coolcoder613> Anarchos: +1
<Anarchos> Begasus: well some sort : the compiler works perfectly fine, but our standard headers are only able to accept some _GNU__ defined to detecte the ABU. But there is a hack already in BeBuild.h to detecte __TINYC__ so i will look to this path.
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<Begasus> progress! :)
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<Anarchos> a C certified compiler would be a rather cool item indeed :)
<Anarchos> and gtksourceview3 is a byproduct ;)
<Begasus> if you can finish up on that it can be merged so it's out of your hair :P
<Begasus> k, mame still building, that will take some time
<Begasus> biab
<Anarchos> Begasus: oh and i got my brand new laptop !! Can't wait to play with it :)
<win8linux[m]> Begasus: Haven't found a way to disable X11 yet, but I did find out that it can be compiled with Qt 6 if qt6_5compat is present.
<win8linux[m]> Besides that dep and changing 5s to 6s, do Qt 6 apps need any other dep changes/
<win8linux[m]> s///?/
<Anarchos> win8linux[m]: s+/+?+ :)
<coolcoder613> Or s]/]?]
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<Begasus> //\/
<Begasus> //\?
<Begasus> that should be the one I think ;)
<Begasus> win8linux[m] libQt6Core5Compat has been passing by quite often here lately ;)
<Begasus> ps, Qt6.7 is out :P
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<Begasus> another advantage, having a buidl setup for Haiku I can see if new libraries brake it or not (checking out zstd 1.5.6)
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* coolcoder613 was laughing his head off from this: http://www.rinkworks.com/stupid/
<Begasus> lol coolcoder613!
<Begasus> one liner: My brother-in-law was going to buy my sister a new computer for her birthday. He told me he was even going to buy her a copy of Google for it. She's so lucky. :P
<Begasus> coolcoder613, you should see this one, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAG39jKi0lI :)
<Begasus> classic :
<coolcoder613> Back in the mid-eighties, the high school I went to had just purchased a handful of 8086s along with some basic hardware -- at that time these things still were horribly expensive. A few weeks later, the computer lab was broken into and some of the hardware stolen. But the computers themselves had been left untouched: only the monitors and keyboards were gone. Apparently, the only computers the thieves had known were C64s or
<coolcoder613> Apple II's, where the computer and keyboard are part of the same unit. Imagine the frustration when these guys tried to get the stolen machines to work!
<Begasus> heh
<coolcoder613> I own a computer store. One day, two policemen came into the store and told that they owned a 486 and a 286. They asked if a 486 and a 286 could be assembled together into a 686. I replied to the dumb request by asking them if two 200 horsepower police cars can be used to make up a 400 horsepower Ferrari. The policemen didn't get it and replied angrily that altering car engines is strictly forbidden by law.
<Begasus> k, haiku64bit still builds fine with zstd 1.5.6 (and same patchset applies) :)
<Begasus> man ... I got way too many tabs open in Falkon :P
<phschafft> Tech Support: "Tell me, is the cursor still there?"
<phschafft> Customer: "No, I'm alone right now."
<phschafft> ;)
<Begasus> lol
<phschafft> never go to the space bar. the drinks are very expensive up there.
<Begasus> some good stuff there :)
* coolcoder613 is signing off
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<Begasus> Customer: "I've been connected to the Internet for about ten minutes now, and my computer started smoking about five minutes ago. Is your building on fire?"
<Begasus> too many there :P
<phschafft> ohje.
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [hrev57690] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=ad441271c575+%5E57ad6e6f34a9
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] ad441271c575 - Network test : unit test for receiving from unbound unix socket.
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<Begasus> ark 24.02.1 still fine with zstd too (revbump needed)
<Begasus> Congrats Anarchos (unit test merged) :)
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<Begasus> User: "What program do you use to make a Word document?" (in these days that would be a valid question) :P
<Begasus> this site is highly unproductive :D
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<Begasus> lol: Customer: "MY COMPUTER DOES NOT HAVE DOS! YOU THINK I RUN THAT ANCIENT SOFTWARE?" (click)
<Begasus> on Win95 ;)
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<Anarchos> Begasus: yes, but i could never run the test myself !
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/959f4656dc6e...2b9c6061e945
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 2b9c606 - vim, cleanup vulnerable recipe (superseded) (#10295)
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<mbrumbelow> I am seeing an issue where after ffmpeg6 was introduced, startup sounds hang a processor or alert sounds do the same. This is confirmed for VM and physical hardware. Anyone else seeing this?
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<mbrumbelow> Then the fans come on...
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<waddlesplash> mbrumbelow: I don't use alert sounds, personally
<waddlesplash> do the sounds play in media player?
<waddlesplash> either way this sounds like a regression and needs a ticket
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<Begasus> switching color scheme ...
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<Begasus> 2034 packages in system/packages :)
<nosycat> Whoa.
<Begasus> and giving swift-lang another poke atm :)
<nosycat> Sounds good!
<Begasus> well, previous attemps always failed, so not expecting anything new there
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<Halamix2_> I reeealy need to check how to set up an IRC bouncer properly to have channel hitsory on multiple devices
<Begasus> hop in the matrix? ;)
<Halamix2_> oh, that could work too :P
* dovsienko vaguely recalls one of the Haiku ports has an IRC client with a built-in similar feature
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<Begasus> Vision can keep logs, but only on local device
<Begasus> and only when you are online
<Begasus> food ... biab
<nosycat> Enjoy!
<nosycat> Makes sense, HexChat works the same way.
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<dovsienko> Quassel it is (have not tried)
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<Begasus> closing down here, cu peeps
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<mbrumbelow> waddlesplash: the sounds play just fine.
<mbrumbelow> I will file a ticket.
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<gordonjcp> Halamix2: inexpensive VPS, run irssi in screen ;-)
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<_leosma> Hi everyone, anyone with experience on Rust on Haiku? I'm trying to compile a crate but I'm having a problem with the rust compiler not found by the build system... its probably a vary newbie problem but its my fist experience with developing on Haiku
<_leosma> BTW, Rust is installed
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<Anarchos> _leosma i used 'cargo release' and no trouble with it
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<_leosma> cargo: command not found
<_leosma> I do have cargo-x86
<_leosma> as well as rustc-x86 and all the other rust tools
<_leosma> but I cant create a symbolic link...
<_leosma> Am I missing something?
<Anarchos> no idea
<Anarchos> i just use 'cargo' to build mm0-rs from time tot time
<_leosma> did you install rust from haikudepot ?
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<OscarL> _leosma: he's using the 64 bits version, that lacks the "-x86" suffix.
<Anarchos> _leosma yes
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<OscarL> _leosma: in general, you should be able to create symlinks, but not under "/boot/system/bin/" (read-only), instead, use "/boot/system/non-packaged/bin/", or "/boot/home/config/non-packaged/bin/"
<OscarL> _leosma: the added "-x86" suffix is common on the 32 bits version of Haiku... because there you can have things compiled with either GCC2 (x86_gcc2 "architecture"), or with modern GCC13 (x86 "secondary architecture").
<OscarL> for programs that only are supported in the latter, the suffixes shouldn't be needed. I think you could just file a bug report about that, over https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/issues
<augiedoggie> or use `setarch x86`
<OscarL> that too :-D
<OscarL> (I never remember that one, except in the context of GCC)
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<_leosma> OscarL: gotcha
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<_leosma> thanks OscarL
<OscarL> np, be sure to try augiedoggie's suggestion in the meantime!
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<_leosma> just did it... it works
<_leosma> thanks augiedoggie!
<augiedoggie> np
<_leosma> just remembered I installed the 32bits version. I'll have to upgrade at some point
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<Anarchos> bummer that the blame option is broken on xref.landonf.org...
<OscarL> Anarchos: either do it locally (you can "--unshallow" your clone if needed), or use "blame" links from https://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/
<Anarchos> OscarL i know 'git blame', but it was really convenient on xref.landonf when it used to work...
<OscarL> understood. just offering alternatives.
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<Anarchos> OscarL i appreciate :)
<OscarL> with some minimal effort, one should be able to write a "bookmarklet" that takes a link from "xref.landonf", and opens the same path but on "cgit.haiku-org" (ultimate laziness! :-P)
<Golemwire> Hello! I was trying to compile a driver for a serial mouse. I was following what I found at https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/serial-mouse-driver/12348/9 . It led me to https://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/src/add-ons/input_server/devices/serial_mouse . I tried to compile the code there with `jam -q "<input>serial_mouse"`, but it didn't work, giving "/Jamfile: No such file or directory" as an error. Yes, the PWD was the directory with
<Golemwire> the code and a file called "Jamfile".
<augiedoggie> you need to configure the build and run jam from inside your "generated" directory
<OscarL> Golemwire: as the author of "serial_mouse" driver... if you don't plan on fix it... I'd say... don't waste time on it :-)
<OscarL> I should give it a try again sometime... but... I get easily distracted, and my previous attempts at fixing it were unsuccessful (but lead to a few things fixed on the rest of the system, at least).
<OscarL> Golemwire: if you DO intend to work on it... that would be awesome :-)
<Golemwire> Oh lol OK. I thought it would be fun to try to get this old mouse to work, maybe I'll tinkerer with the driver someday. Thanks
<Golemwire> Maybe after college has me write a driver I'll understand driver code better :)
<OscarL> It used to work (for some mice, and with some rough edges)... but that was on BeOS.
<OscarL> augiedoggie: I've never ran jam from inside "generated". Any major pitfalls for not doing so?
<augiedoggie> i think it might default to using "generated" if it exists but my directories are usually named different
<augiedoggie> when you run jam from somewhere else in the tree
<augiedoggie> it's been a long time since i've tried though, i may be misremembering
<OscarL> I see, thank.
<augiedoggie> but it needs somewhere to put the object files, so some type of generated folder must exist
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<OscarL> I do have "haiku/generated", yes. and that's under where I look for the resulting bins I compile :-)
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<Anarchos> OscarL if you plan to build haiku for only one platform, you can configure and jam from the haiku top dir. If you want ot play with x86_64 and x86_gcc2 you better separate your builds in their own respective generated.XXX folders
<OscarL> Anarchos: Right, thanks! I was just reading ReadMe.Compiling.md and seeing "cd haiku/generated.x86_64" in the context of cross-compiling.
* OscarL only ever does haiku-on-haiku, and without ever using buildtools.
<OscarL> so I guess that's why it worked for me :-D
<Anarchos> OscarL so you are fine
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<_leosma> augiedoggie: my compilation failed because the "file system does not accept hard links". Any ideas?
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<coolcoder613_32> Good morning
<OscarL> hi coolcoder613_32.
<OscarL> _leosma: BFS (the filesystem Haiku uses) doesn't supports hard-links. You either need to change the build system for that software, or use an ext4 partition, I guess.
<_leosma> ah ok, thanks
<_leosma> I'll look that up
<OscarL> _leosma: some of the .recipes over HaikuPort change "ln" to "ln -s" on makefiles and such, for that reason.
<_leosma> I can install Haiku on ext4?
<OscarL> _leosma: no, but you could have an ext4 partition along side.
<_leosma> OscarL: gotcha
<OscarL> I'd check if you can just change "ln" to "ln -s" in that build system.
<OscarL> if it's a problem with rust/cargo itself... open an issue over https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/issues
<_leosma> ok
<_leosma> thanks
<OscarL> _leosma: if nielx[m] is around, he might have better insight/suggestions for you in this case.
<_leosma> nielx[m]: any ideas on my issue?
<Anarchos> _leosma what software do you tryt to build ?
<_leosma> its a typesetting system
<_leosma> called typst
<_leosma> a sort of a competitor to LaTeX
<_leosma> it compiled fine, only failed in the linking process due to this hard linking problem
<_leosma> I must admit I have to experience with Rust so I'll have to dig into the build system to see where it call "ln"
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<Anarchos> i finally found why a simple posix test failed on haiku for an obscure lib : SIGKILL is giver a priority so it is delivered before SIGUSR1 even if SIGUSR1 is ssignaled before
<Anarchos> not sure what posix says about signals and priorities ?
<OscarL> _leosma: can't find any place where it calls 'ln' directly. Maybe some depedency package does? (I've no clue about rust/cargo, sorry).
<OscarL> _leosma: but... if you're just looking for a lightweight TeX/LaTeX alternative... we do have "lout" in the repos (and the Pe editor has nice support for it).
* OscarL wrote Lout's addon for Pe, so... take his comment with a grain of salt :-P
<_leosma> hahaha
<_leosma> great I'll check it out, but I need typst for a shared project I have with some colleagues
<OscarL> Ah, I see. Welp. Hope you get typst working at some point!
<_leosma> furthermore, if I manage to compile it I might help others who get interested here
<_leosma> right now I'm on another task, but I'll come back to it this weekend
<OscarL> *those haiku depot URL are really fugly! :-)
<Anarchos> OscarL did you just use the git clone from typst , whithout patching ?
<_leosma> Anarchos: I did git clone without pathcing yes
<Anarchos> _leosma ok let me try to build it
<Anarchos> i am cloning
<_leosma> ok
<_leosma> let me know if it ork for you
<_leosma> *it works
<Anarchos> _leosma sure
<Anarchos> _leosma by the way you can also do «set -x » in Terminal before launching cargo, to see what commands are runned in background by the buidl
<Anarchos> and «set +x» to revert.
<_leosma> Anarchos: gotcha
<Anarchos> _leosma it is downloading 160 crates.
<_leosma> yeah it takes a while do compile for the first time, especially on my 2011 hardware
<Anarchos> _leosma fortunately my 2011 laptop is connected to a quad core i3 server :)
<Anarchos> all crates are downloaded.
<_leosma> my laptop is not that bad and its an i5
<_leosma> :)
<_leosma> quad core as well
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<Anarchos> _leosma my laptop is an awful Toshiba with AMD-C50 cpu. but was cheap.
<Anarchos> _leosma building (===> 111/344)
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<_leosma> Anarchos: mine was free, they were getting rid of them at work. Just needed a little love and its back up and running Haiku better than new :)
<_leosma> only problem is the damned battery that dies in 30 mins of usage
<Anarchos> _leosma i always get rid of battery on laptops. they are not meant to run continuously on them...
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<_leosma> true, but nowadays they're glued inside
<Anarchos> _leosma 228/344
<_leosma> almos there
<Anarchos> 288
<Anarchos> 342 building typst
<_leosma> i did it again: out of memory this time
<_leosma> it gets stuck in 339/344
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<Anarchos> _leosma still building
<_leosma> heheh
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<Anarchos> mmu_man plop
<Anarchos> _leosma still building...
<_leosma> wow... hehehe
<_leosma> how are the resources of your computer?
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<Anarchos> _leosma strange : rustc is always on wait state
<_leosma> yes indeed
<_leosma> when mine crashed I get a window... It wont unlock until I click OK
<_leosma> maybe thats where you are as well?
<Anarchos> _leosma rustc still has regular 'opt' processes scheduled, so not stuck
<_leosma> okay
<_leosma> lets see then
<Anarchos> _leosma build 343
<_leosma> ahhh almost!
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<_-Caleb-__Haiku> hi all!
<_leosma> hey
<erysdren> hi Caleb!
<Anarchos> _leosma cargo build Finished dev [unoptimized + debuginfo] target(s) in 58m 00s
<Anarchos> i did it in /tmp
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<Anarchos> _leosma sorry but time to sleep here
<Anarchos> _leosma good luck for typst
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<_leosma> same here
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 28d2323a4b09 - screen: use B_COUNT_OF(), no functional changes
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [hrev57691] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=28d2323a4b09+%5Ead441271c575
<zard> waddlesplash still here? interesting
<waddlesplash> why's that interesting?
<zard> I guess I never saw you here at this time before before
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* zard is working on Haiku-PyAPI
<waddlesplash> I've definitely committed much later than this lol
<_leosma> my turn to go sleep. See you soon
<zard> :-)
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<coolcoder613> Hi zard
<zard> Hello coolcoder613 :)
<coolcoder613> Do you want to play doom with me?
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<zard> No, sorry :-)
<coolcoder613> I've been looking for someone to play doom with
<coolcoder613> I sometimes play with my father, but he's a teacher and often says he's too tired when he comes home