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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
<coolcoder613> Hi Begasus
<Begasus> Hi coolcoder613
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/64d33177e5bf...0b9a776e6297
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] kwyxz 0b9a776 - RetroArch: bump to version 1.18.0 (#10318)
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/0b9a776e6297...8618fc9ca09b
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] kwyxz 8618fc9 - new libretro core : geolith (#10319)
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<Begasus> KDE's MarkNote still moving forward :) https://0x0.st/XiIJ.1.png
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<Begasus> Hola OscarL!
<OscarL> Hey Begasus!
<Begasus> grabbing fresh coffee ...
<OscarL> running ncurses6-6.4-20240330 64 bits build (hopefully, for the last time :-D)
<OscarL> Getting annoyed by those "cannot unmount" errors breaking my builds at the end.
<Begasus> figured out which archive to use now?
<OscarL> Darm Tracker mesing things up.
<Begasus> need to refrain myself too sometimes when a build is running on doing some other things :)
<OscarL> jmairboeck pointed out to some "official" snapshots over github itself. Using that right now.
<Begasus> saw the emails yeah
<Begasus> beats figuring out what to patch or not
<OscarL> Begasus: yeah.. it is the "Open with..." menu the one that kills builds for me :-) (as it lists apps from system and from the chroot)
<Begasus> speaking of, I now got that Walter logo in the build images, how do I set that as the default logo (in the About window)
<OscarL> indeed. Hope korli doesn't *really* ones that older snapshot :-) (it has some CVEs on its own so... I kept the newest instead)
<Begasus> heh, he's the master! :D
<OscarL> there's a config flag to set the Haiku build to "official mode".
<OscarL> but can't recall which one.
<OscarL> and I'm not touching Tracker till this build ends :-D
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<Begasus> # Copy artwork to the image. ?
<Begasus> lol
<Begasus> no updates since yesterday
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<Begasus> assimp latest builds fine, tests fail (one crashes (current one is fine with the tests)), no not updating yet
<Begasus> k, that wasn't it, still got the Walter logo
<OscarL> on build/Jam/DefaultBuildProfiles: "# Uncomment in official release branch."
<OscarL> #HAIKU_DEFINES += HAIKU_OFFICIAL_RELEASE ;
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<OscarL> #TARGET_DEFINES += HAIKU_OFFICIAL_RELEASE ;
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<Begasus> checking # Set image volume label to "Walter". Default label is "Haiku". atm
<Begasus> will do yours next if this isn't working :)
<Begasus> k, next run ...
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<OscarL> we use newest snapshots regularly all over haikuports, not sure why korli fixated on this particular one now.
<Begasus> maybe with the zx-utils issue a bit more carefull now?
<win8linux[m]> Hey there, Begasus!
<Begasus> Hi there win8linux[m] :)
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<win8linux[m]> Still working on a couple more recipes for today.
<Begasus> np, the buildmasters will be busy for a while with the latest merges :)
<Begasus> that didn't do it either OscarL, still the Walter logo :)
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<Begasus> let's try to put this in UserBuildConfig
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<AD_Haiku_onPC> morning :) been a while since I tried Haiku installed but I've decided to find a laptop in my old but working pile to use for alternatives I like using as much as workbench... is there a good "what to do next" guide you'd recommend? it's all a bit sluggish I guess I need to find drivers or the hardware isn't supported and I need to try another machine from the pile...
<OscarL> AD_Haiku_onPC: "hunting drivers" shoudln't be needed at all (most drivers available are already included).
<Begasus> still nothing ...
<Begasus> g'morning AD_Haiku_onPC, there is always the bugtracker to see if there is already a ticket for the hardware that isn't working
<OscarL> if some hardware doesn't works, you might take a look at Trac (https://dev.haiku-os.org), to see if there's an open ticket alread for that.
<Begasus> only ones bugging me so far is some missing drivers for wifi :)
<OscarL> path of least resistance is, indeed, trying to find compatible hardware :-)
<AD_Haiku_onPC> :( I guess I need to try another machine then because it's laggy as hell... I'll try with more RAM first as I had to hobble the machine so AMIthlon ran because that has a 1GB limit for the kernel on the install disc....
<OscarL> ram limitations only apply to BeOS, not haiku.
<OscarL> I've run Haiku 32 on 1GB and it was fine (on and old Sempron)
<OscarL> (the socket 754 ones, not the faster AM2)
<AD_Haiku_onPC> the machine it's installed on is a Celeron with a made for windows vista basic sticker...
<AD_Haiku> I should look up the spec... HP Compaq 6720s...
<Begasus> biab
<OscarL> AD_Haiku: Ah, sorry, wasn't aware of "amithlon" (I thought it was a typo, as BeOS had some issues with both the amount of RAM and Athlon CPUs :-D)
<OscarL> Celeron M530 ?
<AD_Haiku> Yeah it's what I originally dragged the machines out of storage to try... but it doesn't see any of the SATA drives and I don't seem to have any reliable IDE spinning rust for the 1 machine that it sees the harddrive on...
<OscarL> Single core performance seems almost double than my Atom N450, so it should be enough for basic stuff (as long as you don't intend to watch youtube on that :-D)
<AD_Haiku> I got youtube sorta working on falkon... 360p wait for is to buffer
<AD_Haiku> *it
<OscarL> cool! My poor Atom netbook can't do any of that (even less so on Haiku... can play 720p *local* files just fine in Win/Lin at least).
<coolcoder613> AD_Haiku: My first Haiku machine is similar, HP Compaq 6830s
<AD_Haiku_onPC> the 3 machines I could get to easiest in storage are what I dragged out... IBM Thinkpad R31 (256MB RAM, IDE HDD), this HP & a higher end HP which has screen issues... right 3rd has artifacts that look like damaged old film...
<AD_Haiku_onPC> hopefully it's just a connector but I probably have a spare screen or 12 cos I'm a bit of a computer hoarder...
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/8618fc9ca09b...890fec9c8f64
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 890fec9 - binwalk, bump version (#10307)
<Begasus> got a green light there ;)
<AD_Haiku_onPC> is it easy enough to get Haiku to dual boot with windows? I'm about to refurb my last machine so the wife can use it... i5 HP Zbook 15u G3... 16GB RAM, 250GB nvme... though I guess I could try on her current machine which is basically a 11in Celeron netbook with a 32GB emmc
<Begasus> dual booting with Win11 here AD_Haiku_onPC, although not the basic setup ;)
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<Begasus> AMD Ryzen7
<augiedoggie> you can probably merge axel's app
<AD_Haiku_onPC> I might play a little and then dual/triple boot my daily driver... i7 4060 :) 500GB :( might throw a better nvme in the 2nd slot and move win 11 and add a couple of decent OS' that maybe don't annoy the crap out of me all the time...
<augiedoggie> eh, i'll merge it since i'm looking at it :P
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] augiedoggie pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/890fec9c8f64...973467853075
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] axeld 9734678 - Added batchrename-0.2.0 recipe (#10260)
<Begasus> heh
<Begasus> augiedoggie, do you have an idea to get the Haiku logo into the image (when build with a UserBuildConfig file)?
<augiedoggie> it's controlled by the distro-compatibility flag when you configure, or the corresponding jam variable
<Begasus> nephele or humdinger probably will, as they played around with the colors there :)
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/973467853075...065947734a0b
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] kwyxz 0659477 - retroarch : fix checksum missing from PR (#10320)
<Begasus> those are all default
<augiedoggie> you want the official logo?
<Begasus> yeah, now it's showing the Walter logo
<augiedoggie> there is a HAIKU_DISTRO_COMPATIBILITY variable in generate/build/BuildConfig
<augiedoggie> mine is: HAIKU_DISTRO_COMPATIBILITY ?= "official" ;
<Begasus> HAIKU_DISTRO_COMPATIBILITY?= "default" ; atm
<Begasus> this is the script I use to build/update the image: https://bpa.st/EJOQ
<augiedoggie> add '--distro-compatibility official' to the configure line
<Begasus> k, could take some time, thanks, will report back :)
<Begasus> afk for a while
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<AD_Haiku_onPC> and so distracted I drank my morning coffee without taking any of my meds... doh!
* OscarL is getting tired. Hit BOTH "waiting for package to activate" AMD "waiting for package to deactivate" while building ncurses6-20240330 on 32 bits.
<win8linux[m]> Didn't Godot used to have Haiku support?
<win8linux[m]> What happened to that?
<OscarL> win8linux[m]: godot_x86 (2.1.6-2) still on the repos. The 3.0.6 recipe is disabled for some reason.
<OscarL> win8linux[m]: seems it was disable for x86 in 2018, and might have been accidentally disabled for 64 bits in 2021 (as part of a "mega commit" updating archs to use "all")
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<OscarL> mmm, seems it was disabled for 64 bits before that. /me meeds better blame interface :-D
<OscarL> yeah, it got disabled on 2019, as part of PR #3976.
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<Begasus> still the Walter logo :/
<Begasus> oh well, it's not that big of a deal :)
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<OscarL> Begasus: latest change related to that, seems to be humdinger's https://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=0aede635f114cccdc2e4b6c42ae3b6e538b47b23
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<OscarL> uses "walter_logo.png" unless "#ifdef HAIKU_DISTRO_COMPATIBILITY_OFFICIAL"
<Begasus> yeah, maybe I should combine that in the defaultconfig in build/jam
<OscarL> "--distro-compatibility official", as mentioned by augiedoggie, should work, AFAICS. Should file a bug if it doesn't.
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<OscarL> (I mean... "./configure --distro-compatibility official" seems like it *should* work)
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<Begasus> ../configure --cross-tools-source ../../buildtools --build-cross-tools x86_64 --distro-compatibility official
<Begasus> already got that, the file augiedoggie mentioned is changed also to use "official"
<OscarL> like that, yeah. if it doesn't work... file it on Trac.
<Begasus> maybe needs: CopyDirectoryToHaikuImage home Desktop : $(HAIKU_TOP)/data/artwork : : -x .svn ;
<OscarL> the flag to configure should work without needing to modify files, I think.
<Begasus> I'm not mastered enough to know there ;)
<Begasus> mind you, I'm still using the UserBuildConfig file to change the image size, so that "could" be an issue too :)
<Begasus> biab :)
<OscarL> for what it is worth, the builds on concurse DO use that "./configure --distro-compatibility official".
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* OscarL undoes his ncurses6-6.4.20240330 changes. sigh.
<OscarL> won't touch this ever again, I think.
<OscarL> :-D
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<Begasus> still nogo on the logo :)
<OscarL> damn...again with wating for build package ... to be deactivated :-/
<OscarL> starting to get annoyed, heh.
<Begasus> only now? :P
<OscarL> trying to work on my anger issues :-P
<Begasus> with you on that one :)
<OscarL> appreciated :-)
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<BrunoSpr> HELLO?
<OscarL> o/
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<Begasus> Hello on the other side! :)
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<BrunoSpr> ah nice
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<OscarL> Again with "waiting for..." activate/deactivate error. No idea why the heck I'm getting so frequently with this particular recipe.
<Begasus> just rename it to "ancurses" and be done with it (for checking the build) :)
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<Begasus> reboot, biab
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<BrunoSpr> Ah, nice the problem with the 100% usage of the media extractor thread is finally gone! Nice thanks PulkoMandy
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<Begasus> scroll wheel on the mouse is acting up ...
<Begasus> little bugger
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<win8linux[m]> New recipe for *CuteMaze*:
<win8linux[m]> No icon yet though, haven't found a similar icon yet to use as a basis.
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<Begasus> win8linux[m], guess you need to clean up some merged branches ;)
<win8linux[m]> huh
<Begasus> dustrac is merged amongst one of them I think?
<OscarL> win8linux[m]: Begasus adds some of our haikuports forks, and then he gets a bit overwhelmed by the number of branches he sees :-D
<Begasus> git fetch * :P
<Begasus> easier then grabbing them :P
<OscarL> you could also just checkout PRs individually as branches. At least for me, that's easier to use/cleanup.
<Begasus> win8linux[m], there is a svg icon in there that you can make into a rdef file :)
<Begasus> biab, dogs :)
<win8linux[m]> Ah right, will get to cleaning up the branches now.
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<OscarL> I just have a "checkout_pr" function on my profile/bashrc, that does "git fetch $1 pull/$2/head:pr/$2 && git checkout pr/$2"
<OscarL> "checkoout_pr upstream 666", works great for me when wanting to check PR made by others on HaikuPorts.
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<Begasus> that's good for a working fork OscarL, the one I'm doing this with is a fork that only contains the repos and recipes, that way I can push something upstream if things get stuck upstream :)
<OscarL> no need to push anything. it is just a checkout, after all. In any case... do what works best for you :-)
<OscarL> (for me, having those branches named "pr/666" or the like would be enough to avoid pushing them up :-D)
* OscarL put some "The Cranberries" playing in the background to help calm down a bit... ended up tear-eyed :-/
<Begasus> I plan to OscarL :P
<Begasus> eeps
<OscarL> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxsJvKYyVyg (just to share the chopped onions :-D)
<Begasus> KDE Neon "needs" EFI to install ... nogo :P
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<Begasus> even my nerves can't stand that sound OscarL, should use a studio recording version :P
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<OscarL> Sounded good for me (mid-to good speakers/amplifier), and I liked that "casual" version for a change. Oh well :-)
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<win8linux[m]> New recipe for *Kapow*:
<win8linux[m]> Despite the name, this time it's not a game.
<win8linux[m]> s/./!/
<OscarL> Hopefully, last reboot/test on ncurses6 before pushing... /me crosses fingers.
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<OscarL> win8linux[m]: just curious... does that app really needs lib:libGL ?
<win8linux[m]> Hmm, can Qt work without that?
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<win8linux[m]> I just assumed that it's a dep Qt needs.
<OscarL> if that's the case... that dep goes into the Qt packages.
<Begasus> me is in killing mood ... flies ...
<Begasus> win8linux[m] Qt6?
<win8linux[m]> Yes
<Begasus> yep, needs linking with libGL
<OscarL> Qt6 does... but kapow shouldn't need to list it as REQUIREs, or am I missing something?
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<Begasus> I only know that with the KF6/Qt6 recipes I "need" libGL also
<OscarL> if the app doesn't directly links to libgl... sounds a bit weird to me but... what do I know.
<Begasus> hp will give a policy error if you don't include it (in strict mode)
<Begasus> OscarL, patches welcome? ;)
<OscarL> Policy error sounds reasonable if the app DOES links with libgl.
<OscarL> If it is just the qt libs the ones that link to libgl... oh well... I'm not touching them anyway so... :-D
<Begasus> it probably indirectly links to it with qt?
<Begasus> tss ::P
<OscarL> we don't list transitive dependencies usually, right?
<OscarL> yay! could still compile stuff with ncurses6_x86_devel... /me pushes changes, and hopes to never see that recipe again! :-P
<Begasus> heh
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<Begasus> win8linux[m], maybe use $cmakeDirArgs for kapow?
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<Begasus> then $dataDir/{applications,icons,metainfo} can be deleted, and the translations should be fine to sit in $dataDir
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<win8linux[m]> Begasus: Just realised that Kapow is actually in HaikuPorts already, but in app-office instead!
<win8linux[m]> However, Gentoo has their equivalent package in the same place where mine is.
<win8linux[m]> Sooo...
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<win8linux[m]> I'll change the PR later, as I need to go get some food.
<win8linux[m]> s/the/a/, s/same/similar/
<win8linux[m]> So Gentoo has their package in x11-misc, mine is in app-misc, and the existing recipe is in app-office.
<win8linux[m]> Actually I'm going to close my PR and make a follow-up that just adds an icon to the existing recipe.
<OscarL> moving it to qt6 still sounds like a good thing, thou. no?
<win8linux[m]> Oh yeah, true.
<OscarL> for categories, we follow Gentoo's, right Begasus?
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<Begasus> follow Genoo yes :)
<Begasus> biab
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<Anarchos> hello
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<Begasus> re
<Begasus> err win8linux[m], why close the PR?
<Begasus> ah, re-opened I see
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<Anarchos> Begasus: i am writing a temptative article for the haiku website
<Begasus> now I need to lookup temptative ... :)
<bjorkint0sh> what does it mean, Begasus?
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<AD_Haiku_onPC> hmm... hope I've picked up the right USB stick... hasn't mentioned which version of windows I'm installing yet while I'm setting off on my triple boot journey... I think it's Tiny11...
<AD_Haiku_onPC> and it failed halfway thru copying the files anywayz...
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<AD_Haiku_onPC> so I'll flash Tiny11 on to it....
<Anarchos> Begasus an attempt to write a blog article
<Begasus> ah, why don't you say it like that then Anarchos :P
<Anarchos> Begasus: because i am french ? :)
<Begasus> ps, still fighting in cleaning up that keyboard :)
<Begasus> so? I'm Belgian :P ;)
<Begasus> So a bit of Dutch/French/German :D
<Anarchos> Begasus: i will try to document my journey from wanting to use compcert, which leads to my kill_other_threads poor patch, my gtksourceview3 port, and my use of strace to find the execve not allowed trouble :)
<Begasus> Anarchos, did you "fix" the libVersionCompat? ;)
<Anarchos> Begasus: not yet
<Anarchos> but i tried yesterday
<zard> Anarchos: An article documenting your journey with Haiku? That sounds interesting
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<Begasus> shouldn't be that hard Anarchos :) (plenty examples around for that) :)
<Anarchos> https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/pull/10279 i just found time to do it right time, though i did'nt test it..
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<Begasus> quick review :)
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<Anarchos> Begasus: what does the %%.* do ?
<Begasus> reduces 1.8.1 to 1 (I'm not good at explaining these things), it obsoletes the last 2 digits and only keeps the first one
<Begasus> if you would do %.* you would get 1.8
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] kallisti5 pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/065947734a0b...e3719ccc5885
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] kallisti5 e3719cc - libglvnd: A dereference ptr fix (being upstreamed), bump rev
<OscarL> Anarchos: removes everything after the final dot, see "Substitution" here: https://devhints.io/bash
<Begasus> or was it %.** ? ;)
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<OscarL> s/final dot/first dot/ (one % deletes the shortest suffix that matches, while %% deletes the largest that match).
<win8linux[m]> <Begasus> "win8linux, maybe use $cmakeDirAr..." <- Could you explain this, as I'm unfamiliar with it?
<Begasus> basicly uses default paths like prefix/bindir/libdir etc (short version) :)
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<Anarchos> Begasus: done
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<Begasus> Anarchos, loose the qoutes around libVersionCompat :)
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<Anarchos> bummer.... ok i look
<Anarchos> Begasus: done
<Begasus> sure?
<Begasus> ;)
<Anarchos> Begasus: i hope so ??
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<Begasus> style changes ...
<Begasus> checksum before patches ...
<Begasus> err before source_dir
<Begasus> no empty line between PROVIDES/REQUIRES, no empty line between BUILD_REQUIRES/BUILD_PREREQUIRES (all listed in that link) :)
<Begasus> before source_dir, after source_uri :)
<Begasus> you got spaces in front of the lines still ...
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<Begasus>
<Begasus> biab :)
<win8linux[m]> <Begasus> "win8linux, maybe use $cmakeDirAr..." <- Tried this both with and without the other CMake dir flags and the recipe stops working with errors around missing files and directories.
<win8linux[m]> I'm just not going to use it for now.
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<Anarchos> Begasus: done
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<Begasus> win8linux[m], works fine :) https://bpa.st/YNUA
<Begasus> Anarchos, nope :P (sorry)
<Anarchos> Begasus: no trouble, it is a Cauchy space : my iterations will converge :)
<Begasus> I could do it for you, but that doesn't bring anything, and it's a learning process for you too :)
<Begasus> check the layout from that wiki page I linked earlier
<Anarchos> Begasus: sure. I just did and applied the separation lines where pointed
<Begasus> k, not there yet ;)
<Begasus> gtkdocize before find (alphabeticly)
<Begasus> empty line before prepareInstalledDevelLib \
<win8linux[m]> <Begasus> "win8linux, works fine :) https:/..." <- Oh, well I tried it both times while removing the `rm` command in the recipe.
<win8linux[m]> There was another attempt where the package did work, but the extra files were present.
<Begasus> did you adjust the path for the rm part win8linux[m]?
<augiedoggie> g comes after f
<win8linux[m]> Begasus: Yes
<Begasus> lol, sorry augiedoggie :)
<Begasus> my bad :)
<Begasus> win8linux[m] https://0x0.st/XiDv.png
<augiedoggie> still some spaces before cmd:autoconf
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<win8linux[m]> Begasus: Hmm, this is what the package from the current recipe iteration looks like but not with my only successful attempt at using $cmakeDirArgs.
<Anarchos> augiedoggie: done
<Anarchos> Begasus: i think all is there now :)
<win8linux[m]> Regardless, think I actually prefer writing out the CMake dir flags. It makes it clearer where files are being put into.
<win8linux[m]> Better for referencing later on in future recipes.
<Begasus> it's not obligated win8linux[m], just makes it easier (just like runConfigure for autotools) :)
<win8linux[m]> Ok, but FWIW autotools is far more painful IMO which justifies making use of any way to make it easier.
<win8linux[m]> :P
<Begasus> heh
<Begasus> Anarchos, so far looks OK to me, running a new build here
<win8linux[m]> It's more painful and possibly a security risk, especially with the xz incident showing the risks of executable code in build systems.
<Anarchos> Begasus: \o/
<Begasus> $appsDir is also in $PATH win8linux[m], so it won't change anything in regard of that (I think) :)
<win8linux[m]> But anyways, about to finish up the last of the Gottcode recipes and will make a PR for it soon hopefully.
<Begasus> Anarchos, iirc there was a testcase also provided
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<Begasus> still haven't finished cleaning that keyboard :P
<Anarchos> Begasus: a testcase for what ?
<Begasus> I get 2 crashes there :)
<Begasus> for gtksourceview3
<Begasus> "make check"
<Begasus> if you could put that in TEST() I'll silence ;)
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<Begasus> heading out for a bit, augiedoggie or one of the others can take over now ;)
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<Anarchos> Begasus: i will
<Anarchos> Begasus: i must leave work too
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<Begasus> re
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+3/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/e3719ccc5885...8098df8e3168
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] win8linux 8098df8 - Tanglet: Add recipe (#10317)
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<win8linux[m]> New recipe for Novprog:
<win8linux[m]> And that's the last of the Gottcode recipes!
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<Begasus> win8linux[m], checked on 32bit?
<Begasus> want to reboot here in a bit for some experiment :)
<Begasus> will read later :)
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<coolcoder613_32> Good morning
* phschafft waves.
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<rennj> i know this 15hours ago i had 1MB/s connection in las vegas, i have 12MB/s connection here in cali...w00t
<rennj> upgrade
<rennj> 1MB/s is primitive
<rennj> fast ethernet bare min
<rennj> ethernet is not going to do, you need fast ethernet 100Mbps not 10Mbps..
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<coolcoder613_32> Hi HaikuUser
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