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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] augiedoggie pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/04d280f2e057...eca94b8c0cce
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] augiedoggie eca94b8 - run_parts: add recipe for 5.17 (#10370)
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] augiedoggie pushed 1 commit to master [+8/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/eca94b8c0cce...6fa70448db96
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] augiedoggie 6fa7044 - cronie: update to 1.7.2 and overhaul recipe (#10371)
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] augiedoggie pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/6fa70448db96...f9386d8c6bff
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] augiedoggie f9386d8 - cronie: fix 32 bit sbin path (#10372)
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<erysdren> moin moin
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
<PriyanshuGupta[m]> morning Begasus
<Begasus> Hi PriyanshuGupta[m]
<PriyanshuGupta[m]> hello
<Begasus> How are things going there?
<PriyanshuGupta[m]> fine
<PriyanshuGupta[m]> resolving the caching in read support
<PriyanshuGupta[m]> i think mentors are busy
<PriyanshuGupta[m]> what about you?
<Begasus> Still running over KDE apps to see if they still run on KF6 :)
<Begasus> PR for gpgme and freerdp are part of those efforts
<PriyanshuGupta[m]> nice work going 👍️
<Begasus> Thanks :) Even got apps running in that are not in the depot :)
<Begasus> 65 apps (not including the libraries) up and running for Gear243
<Begasus> -3
<PulkoMandy> Yes, I've been busy with my paid job the last few days... But I think we found the problem I was investigating there, hopefully today it's a bit quieter
<Begasus> afk ... dogs :)
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] augiedoggie pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/f9386d8c6bff...69be287aca9c
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] augiedoggie 69be287 - bgswitch: add recipe for 0.1.0 (#10373)
<PriyanshuGupta[m]> I can't seem to find a problem with the caching in Read support Submitted a patch for suggestions purposes. Can studying the Bfs help me in this?
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<Anarchos> Begasus wifi is back :)
<coolcoder613> Hello
<rennj> hello world!
<Begasus> Hello Anarchos coolcoder613 rennj
<Begasus> Yeah, saw the log Anarchos, eventually quick fix to switch the power supply?
<Anarchos> Begasus: yes with the other power supply for the TV decoder
<rennj> ati all in wonder!
<rennj> brooktree
<rennj> nice tv cards for computers in days long past
<rennj> haugpauge
<rennj> Hauppauge Tv Card
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<rennj> i had 3 tv-card in beos,solaris,linux,freebsd
<rennj> brooktree 848/878, Hauppauge, ati all in wonder usb...i want to say
<gordonjcp> heh
<gordonjcp> I had an ATI All-In-Wonder card
<Anarchos> Begasus: i will resume my work on haiku :)
<gordonjcp> not sure which one, definitely don't have it now
<gordonjcp> it was the one with the big purple connector block for audio in and out
<rennj> audio in and video in they all had
<gordonjcp> mine definitely had composite and S-video out
<rennj> hook vcr up get 2 tuners
<gordonjcp> I used it for video editing, in Premier 4? Maybe 5 or 6? Can't remember
<gordonjcp> early 2000s
<gordonjcp> I used some sort of video editing software in BeOS but it had a very "toy-like" interface and was quite limited
<gordonjcp> remember how Blender used to have curvy blobby buttons for everything back then
<rennj> https://imgur.com/6cOGSiM i had audio/video in/out on 2 boxes
<rennj> indy and beos box
<rennj> vcr on its side
<rennj> 2 tuners
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<rennj> comedy central!
<rennj> 22 years ago or so
<rennj> 2002/2000
<rennj> solaris 2.8/8 2000
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<Anarchos> rennj: you had an indy ?
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<gordonjcp> damn, they left
<gordonjcp> I had an Indy of some flavour many years ago, it was already old then
<gordonjcp> https://ishootdv.cam/videorack.jpg <- my setup
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<rennj> Begasus, av1
<rennj> firefox 125 just added it
<rennj> 2023 phones added it
<rennj> family guy torrent season 1 - 21 av1 720p
<rennj> av1 save space...
<rennj> i recall you compiling ffmpeg i want say with av1 while ago...
<rennj> av1 and zstd...good for all
<gordonjcp> rennj: ah, you're back
<gordonjcp> https://ishootdv.cam/videorack.jpg <- my setup
<rennj> nice sony trintrons
<gordonjcp> they're not trinitrons, they're monochrome
<gordonjcp> I have a lovely 9" JVC colour monitor though, super sharp and bright
<gordonjcp> you forget how good CRT was
<rennj> i had viewsonic 1600x1200 ps
<rennj> from 1995-2005
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<gordonjcp> I do a lot of stuff off VHS, and I often shoot standard-def DVCAM
<Anarchos> i dream to see beos or haiku running on an indy, though they will feel slow nowadays...
<gordonjcp> I actually have a Sony DSR-PD150 now which is the "pro" version of the VX2000 I used to shoot on, back when I had my All-In-Wonder :-D
<gordonjcp> maybe I should look at writing a Firewire driver for Haiku
<rennj> i was HD before 480p/i, 720p/i, 1080
<rennj> evil dead !
<rennj> Evil Dead Groovy
<rennj> sony MSRP was USD $3000
<rennj> 1995 vs 2024
<rennj> inflation
<rennj> $6,148.27 today
<rennj> more drivers the better
<rennj> make allmodconfig
<rennj> ubuntu/pop-os 14GB compile job of drivers
<rennj> make allmodconfig - This option creates a config file that will make as many parts of the kernel a module as possible
<rennj> the most drivers for the most hardware
<rennj> not huge kernel compiled in, but as modules
<rennj> cause you need ISDN drivers!
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/69be287aca9c...ea5667bfd7ff
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes ea5667b - libreoffice: add spell checking dictionaries to language packages
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<rennj> reads pretty stupid
<rennj> stupid is as stupid does
<rennj> unix haters handbook another stupid manual
<rennj> 1995
<rennj> when solaris still rocked
<rennj> what would clustering be today with out 3 machines...the witness
<rennj> use to do clustering active--passive with 2 machines..didnt need 3 machines..the witness
<rennj> vmware fault tolerance is really a joke compared
<rennj> active -- active even..but that was more then 2 machines...
<rennj> the heartbeat
<coolcoder613> It is from unix haters handbook
<x512[m]> unix haters handbook have valid points.
<win8linux[m]> Many of its points aren't relevant anymore, however there are a select few which still are.
<phschafft> win8linux[m]: any specific ones you want to provide as examples?
<phschafft> (I'm not arguing on any side here, just interested in your opinion :)
<win8linux[m]> Don't have a copy of it on hand rn, sorry.
<x512[m]> Pascal was much better than C at that time for example.
<x512[m]> Pascal had proper modules support.
<phschafft> win8linux[m]: no problem. :)
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<rennj> sing the doom song gir!
<rennj> fix your kernel beos/haiku
<rennj> seL4: Formal Verification of an OS Kernel
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<rennj> Complete formal verification is the only known way to guarantee that a system is free of programming errors.
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<rennj> sel4 is like truecrypt, it has been audited...
<rennj> truecrypt was done 2 twice
<rennj> veracrypt
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<rennj> sel4 and zfs would be nice...
<rennj> along with reproducible builds
<rennj> netbsd 8.0/nix/fedora was it
<rennj> fedora 40 and rocm what a joke
<rennj> yeah maybe my next craptop will have support..zen5
<rennj> zen3 is bust/vega
<rennj> been rocking the amiga game action: Alien Fish Finger, Enemy: Tempest of Violence, It came from the desert, Escape from the Planet of the Robot Monsters, OnEscapee. youtube gameplay videos.
<rennj> top shelf
<rennj> fs-uae rocking
<rennj> mister fpga would solve all this software emu...
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<coolcoder613> Hi zard
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<zard> Hello coolcoder613 :-)
<zard> Nice
<zard> Does it support rss?
<zard> Oh, yes it does
<coolcoder613_hl> It uses bashblog apparently
<coolcoder613_hl> All command-line, written in bash, calls out to $EDITOR
<dovsienko> hello folks
<coolcoder613_hl> Hi dovsienko
<zard> o/
<dovsienko> I came cross a weird difference in behaviour between bfs and ramfs, does anybody remember anything particular in this regard? or maybe this is the expected behaviour, before I open a bug report
<_-Caleb-_> coolcoder613: now in my favs on my RSS feed agreggator 😊
<coolcoder613> Which do you use?
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<zard> I use akregator
<dovsienko> in particular, /bin/install <sourcefile> <destinationfile> can be performed multiple times on bfs and it works regardless of how many times you run it
<dovsienko> however, when the destination is on ramfs, the first time /bin/install works, but the second time it treats the existing destination file as if it is a destination directory, and then appends the destination file name one more time at the end, and fails
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<dovsienko> if this does not remind anybody of anything particular, it will become a bug report
<Begasus> zard, using akregator too here :)
<coolcoder613> In Haiku?
* zard never used install before, so, doesn't remind me of anything :-P
<coolcoder613> Doesn't a lot of `make install`s use it?
<Habbie> they do
<coolcoder613> Or is that mainly with auto*?
<dovsienko> yes, that's the one from GNU coreutils
<Begasus> yep in Haiku
<Habbie> dovsienko, it sounds like whatever install looks at to decide what to do might be reporting something different
<dovsienko> Habbie: I suspect there's something very specific to Haiku RAMFS because the same Makefile has been working on all other OSes and on BFS in Haiku
<Habbie> ack
<Habbie> strace might reveal it?
<dovsienko> the only thing not immediately obvious is whether this is expected
<Habbie> are you sure that in the 'directory' case, install is getting the right number of arguments?
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<dovsienko> Habbie: that's a good idea (I was reluctant to dive into debugging the source)
<dovsienko> BFS: open(0xffffffff, "/tmp/tcpdump.1", O_DIRECTORY, 0x0) = 0x80006005 Not a directory (1311 us)
<dovsienko> RAMFS: open(0xffffffff, "/boot/system/var/shared_memory/tcpdump.1", O_DIRECTORY, 0x0) = 0x3 (914 us)
<dovsienko> looks like RAMFS allows a process to open a file as a directory
<dovsienko> RAMFS fails at the next step though: read_stat(0x3, "tcpdump.1", false, 0x7f116eb5b5e0, 0x80) = 0x80006005 Not a directory (962 us)
<dovsienko> looks like a bug to me
<dovsienko> (both /tmp/tcpdump.1 and /boot/system/var/shared_memory/tcpdump.1 are existing files)
<phschafft> I thought O_DIRECTORY was specifically about the open() call as there was some DoS style attack without it.
<phschafft> POSIX also tells us: If path resolves to a non-directory file, fail and set errno to [ENOTDIR].
<Habbie> O_DIRECTORY
<Habbie> If pathname is not a directory, cause the open to fail. This flag was added in Linux 2.1.126, to
<Habbie> avoid denial-of-service problems if opendir(3) is called on a FIFO or tape device.
<Habbie> sounds like ramfs is not honouring that flag well then
<dovsienko> BFS certainly does
* dovsienko is writing a bug report up
<phschafft> I often wonder about thinks when such docus refer to what surely was discussed somewhere without any additional references.
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<dovsienko> thank you for the comments guys, this is bug report #18896 now
<phschafft> thank you for reporting it. :)
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<coolcoder613> good night
<phschafft> Nachti coolcoder613!
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<dovsienko> oh look, there's also a trivial way to cause a kernel crash using RAMFS...
<Habbie> nice work
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<dovsienko> #18897 it is then
<Begasus> First one to use libKF6Svg :) https://0x0.st/XHKv.2.png
<Anarchos> Begasus: are you transforming haiku into a KDE platform ? :D
<Begasus> knights is already there Anarchos, so only this version isn't :)
<Begasus> just having some fun trying to see how far this goes :D
<Anarchos> Begasus: i feel a lack of native applications these days
<Begasus> Anarchos, that's where I fail :)
<Begasus> afk for a bit
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 2 commits to master [+2/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/ea5667bfd7ff...9d80d32df5f2
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 9b51e53 - curl: bump version
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 9d80d32 - nghttp3: new recipe
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/9d80d32df5f2...5e1d9ac2342f
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] cmeerw 5e1d9ac - xmake: update to 2.9.1 (#10366)
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<Begasus> こんにちは
<Begasus> does that look right? hope it's not a bad thing :)
<Begasus> looks good to google translate ;)
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<Begasus> Last one for closing down, Kiten on KF6 :) https://0x0.st/XHNX.2.png
<Begasus> cu peeps!
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [hrev57710] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=28b96e105fa5+%5E67be23fafe19
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 28b96e105fa5 - IK, libshared: fix string formatting of size and rate
<waddlesplash> gordonjcp: we have a firewire driver, however it's rather broken
<waddlesplash> and could really use a major overhaul
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [hrev57711] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=9673f7b8bfcc+%5E28b96e105fa5
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 9673f7b8bfcc - ramfs: honor the O_DIRECTORY flag on open()
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<cocobean> Wow.. we can actually use KDE v/5.115 applications on Haiku... so modern... Krita, kdenlive.... oh my, my, my.....
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<gordonjcp> waddlesplash: I have a working Firewire card and a tonne of video devices
<gordonjcp> waddlesplash: so I suppose I should do something about that
<waddlesplash> gordonjcp: the firewire module was based on FreeBSD's and is kind of a very hacky port
<waddlesplash> could use a ton of cleanup and Haiku-ization
<waddlesplash> actually the in-progress L2CAP refactor may be a useful model because it also came from BSD
<waddlesplash> that should get committed in the next few days
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<gordonjcp> waddlesplash: hm, I'll take a look tomorrow
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