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* coolcoder613 is looking for someone to play a game of DOOM with
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<Al2O3> doom on haiku?
<Al2O3> or quake3 or such on some other platform
<aazam[m]> Good morning :)
<coolcoder613> GZDoom+FreeDM
<coolcoder613> I think GZDoom is ported on Haiku
<Al2O3> I'm not familiar with either, the more recent or otherwise recent version of Doom.
<Al2O3> but sounds like they take advantage of newer GPUs
<coolcoder613> FreeDM is the FreeDOOM deathmatch maps
<Al2O3> interestingly, as I run snow kitten on 2,1 upgraded from 1,1 hardware, ...
<Al2O3> System Information: Model: MacPro1,1 • CPU: Intel Xeon X5365 (8 Cores) @ 3.00 GHz • L2: 4.19 MB • Memory: 32.00 GB • Graphics: ATI Radeon HD 5770, ATI Radeon HD 5770 • Screen Resolution: 1920 x 1200 • Load: 6% • OS: Mac OS X 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard) (Build 10K549)
<Al2O3> I may want to try it.
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<coolcoder613> Try LZDOOM?
<Al2O3> opening now
<Al2O3> need iwads
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<coolcoder613> Anyone else?
<coolcoder613> (Couldn't join with Al203)
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
<OscarL> Hallo Begasus.
<Begasus> Hola OscarL :)
<Begasus> biab
<Begasus> back ... fresh coffee :)
<Begasus> OscarL, read my last comment on cudatext?
<OscarL> not yet.
<Begasus> err, wrong one :P
<Begasus> seems gentoo doesn't supply it :(
<OscarL> I *think* that those "pylib__" settings are just a way to override what Python4Lazarus looks for. And CudaText does has a "Search for libpython" funtionality (https://github.com/Alexey-T/CudaText/blob/129702873e1aa8e0ccf5cbf010b922895d2afb7f/app/formmain.pas#L9101).
<Begasus> dogs ...
<OscarL> My understanding was that we needed that "pylib_haiku" precisely because our Python packages do not provide libpython3.xx.so (without the version suffix).
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<Begasus> re
<Begasus> OscarL, isn't that primary used at build time?
<Begasus> my skills are not that good :)
<Begasus> I think korli is a bit on par with me there :)
<OscarL> As far as I can tell... those values in default.json are just a "this should probably work on this platform" default.
<OscarL> just a runtime thing, AFAICT (but... keep in mind, I haven't done a local build).
<Begasus> yeah, but so far they only connection mentioned for Haiku
<Begasus> yep, and as long as python3.10 is default that value there should be good enough to keep around (so users don't have to worry about what version they need to install)?
<OscarL> yes, for now, that value should be enough.
<Begasus> and I think Haiku will always come with a default version installed
<OscarL> if it fails to find it, CudaText -> Command Palette-> "find python lib" should be enough (it finds 3.9, 3.10, and 3.11 for me here on 32 bits).
<OscarL> Not sure why the .json file doesn't mentions that command.
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<Begasus> was looking for that :D
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<OscarL> my main issue was having CudaText requiring old versions of Python. I think I suggested just removing that depedency in the past. But again... not much use of CudaText without its plugins :-). I think that "cmd:python3" is a good compromise.
<Begasus> 3.9 3.10 3.12 :)
<Begasus> I think there are plenty packages around that "use" python, but don't declare it as a dependency
<OscarL> using "cmd:python3" as a proxy for "any libpython3.xx.so" makes it clear that CudaText "needs" python, but can do with pretty much any version.
<OscarL> then maybe a SUGGESTS ?
<OscarL> even if pkgman does nothing with those yet.
<Begasus> haven't been using that one yet :-)
<OscarL> or was it RECOMMENDS? Should take a look at libsolver.
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<OscarL> mmm, SUPPLEMENTS is there (https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/wiki/HaikuPorter-BuildRecipes#supplements), but not SUGGESTS/RECOMMENDS :-)
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<Begasus> maybe I'll just drop it on the next update :)
<Begasus> reboot, bias
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<OscarL> Begasus: If "pylib__haiku" is not found (or it is empty), CudaText calls the "InitPyLibraryPath" function... and that also hardcodes the library name :-( https://github.com/Alexey-T/CudaText/blob/129702873e1aa8e0ccf5cbf010b922895d2afb7f/app/proc_globdata.pas#L1382
<Begasus> yep, it's declared in those 2 places
<Begasus> globdata also holds the path for the settings files (and py files)
<OscarL> It should instead check for the library names that Python4Lazarus knows about (https://github.com/Alexey-T/Python-for-Lazarus/blob/master/python4lazarus/PythonEngine.pas#L124).
<OscarL> not sure why he hardcodes them in that InitPyLibraryPath. Makes little sense.
<Begasus> no idea there, I know there were issues back then with python3.7 vs python3.9
<Begasus> latest checkout, version 1.211.6.0 :)
<OscarL> precisely. that hardcoding makes little sense, oh well. No point in complaining until I do a build myself, and open a PR :-P
<Begasus> lazarus is around for 64bit, knock yourself out :P
<OscarL> Not looking forward to it, to tell the truth.
<Begasus> you can use Qt6, so no need to grab a full Qt env ;)
<Begasus> only thing is you need fpc/fpc_source :P
<OscarL> yeah... probably will have to wait till I properly configure the "new" netbook (should have more space there in the future).
<Begasus> once you've setup the cudatext project in lazarus it's just update the source and build the project :)
<Begasus> just give a yell once you've got a setup
<OscarL> Begasus: in any case... just removing the back-ticks on https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/blob/master/app-editors/cudatext/cudatext-1.211.3.0.recipe#L57, buildmaster should just pick it up.
<OscarL> as in... `lib:libpython3.xx` --> "lib:libpython3.xx"
<Begasus> sec ...
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/ed95dfa25294...35b89dc85927
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 35b89dc - labplot, revbump for missing patchset (#10290)
<Begasus> k, needed to get that out of my hair :P
<Begasus> OscarL, might as well bump version too then :)
<Begasus> first need some fresh coffee
<OscarL> yeah, me too :-)
<Begasus> if they cheat I can do that too :P https://repology.org/project/cudatext/versions
<Begasus> I'll wait on that untill Alexey does a new release :)
<aazam[m]> Hello :)
<Begasus> Hi aazam[m]
<aazam[m]> I was looking into the WebPositive autoplay issue, so should I make a chekcbox to toggle the autoplay video feature in the settings page of webp?
<Begasus> makes sense to me aazam[m], but I'm not the one to ask :)
<aazam[m]> I see I see
<Begasus> freaking sonames ;..
<Begasus> ~/destdir/lib> readelf -d libQXlsxQt5.so.1.4.4 | grep SONAME
<Begasus> 0x000000000000000e (SONAME) Library soname: [libQXlsxQt5.so.0.1.4.4]
<Begasus> try using "libversion is 1.4.4 compat is 0" doesn't work :P
<OscarL> "libversion = 0.1.4.4", right? or the "0" shouldn't really be there?
* OscarL will write some library, and use .0.1.2.3.4.5.6 as version, just to piss off Begasus :-P
<OscarL> _-Caleb-_: in case you want to try it... Beezer + SquashFS support: https://github.com/Teknomancer/beezer/pull/24 (only listing/extracting for now but... good enough, I think).
<Begasus> 0.1.4.4 is the link to the 1.4.4 one :)
<Begasus> so libVersion is 1.4.4
<OscarL> I might try to finish up Beezer support for HPKG next (listing works, but misses extractiion).
<OscarL> (now that I more or less understand how to do it :-D)
<Begasus> squashfs goot to go?
<Begasus> good* :)
<OscarL> Begasus: looks good to me, at least :-)
<Begasus> guess you testdrove it enough :)
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/35b89dc85927...497dc719d4c2
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] OscarL 497dc71 - squashfs_tools: add mime-type, and Expander rules. (#10278)
<OscarL> _-Caleb-_ better be happy now! :-P
<Begasus> lol, he can always blame you :P
<OscarL> holy cow... 798 files under /system/packages. yikes!
<OscarL> no wonder my boot times are getting worse and worse :-/
<Begasus> tss, kiddo :P
<Begasus> 2020
<OscarL> I might not complain that much if I had 8cores/16 threads, and an SSD :-D
<Begasus> true that :)
<Begasus> my "obsolete" directory in "packages" is like a attick, once in a while needs cleaning :D
<Begasus> attick/basement ... you get it .. :P
<Begasus> guess thats good enough for qxslx https://0x0.st/XzxP.png
<OscarL> I should try to make haikuporter NOT do "pkgman install" when getting dependencies, but download the needed .hpkg into "haikuports/packages/". Guess I first need a "pkgman download" command.
<Begasus> if they end up in system/packages or haikuports/packages doesn't matter on build time?
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<OscarL> IIRC, if they are in haikuports/packages, it uses that instead of doing the "pkgman install".
<Begasus> yeah, if they are present there the system ones are skipped
<OscarL> not having to actually install the dependencies would help a lot with keeping the "host" environment clean (and my boot times in check :-D)
<Begasus> make backups and copy them to haikuports/packages when needed?
<OscarL> as workaround, yes. but I'm lazy, so I will end up wasting MORE time trying to make hp/pkgman do it for me :-)
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<Begasus> lol
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<OscarL> Ok... got Beezer to extract individual files from .hpkg, LOL. Always scary when things compile on the first try... even scarier then things actually WORK on the first try :-D
<phschafft> OscarL++
<Begasus> wtg! :)
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<OscarL> truth be told... Teknomancer (with augiedoggie's help) made it way easy :-)
<Begasus> Warning: POLICY WARNING: "/packaging/labplot/bin/labplot2" needs library "libQXlsxQt5.so.0.1.4.4", but the package doesn't seem to declare that as a requirement
<Begasus> linking stage worked :P
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<Begasus> k, missing scilab and sage now for labplot :P
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/497dc719d4c2...6f54310f41a8
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 6f54310 - qxlsx, new recipe (#10291)
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<_-Caleb-_> OscarL jajajaj yup, thanks!!!
<Begasus> kallisti5[m], maybe that "signing" comes from me having to add my real name to git for the kde gitlab projects :)
<OscarL> Begasus: most likely he was just seeing the "verified" tag on the commits, and those show a GPG signature.
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<Begasus> still don't know what I should be seeing differently OscarL :P
<OscarL> Begasus: notice how on this list, some commits show "Verified" and others do not: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/commits/master/
<OscarL> he was a bit puzzled because all the "verfied" ones had the same key fingerprint (you can click on the "verified" tag to see it yourself).
<OscarL> tursn out... it is github itself the one signing them when you do things via the web interface.
<OscarL> (or if you have signed them yourself, and enabled "vigilant mode" as per the link above)
<OscarL> (but in that case, the key fingerprints would be different for each author)
<Begasus> I think I'm blond ... can't see anything from "verified" :)
<OscarL> on the commit list... to the right... a pretty visible "Verified" tag on green color should appear.
<Begasus> ah, now I see it :)
<Begasus> well, I don't have a gpg key assigned to github (at least not upstream) :P
<Begasus> maybe that's why kgpg doesn't connect/open here :P
<OscarL> no idea. what I've heard is... properly setting up gpg is an art on itself (and that's why newer versions of git allows signing with SSH keys, I think :-D)
<Begasus> that's working at least, so no messing around there untill needed :P
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<OscarL> there's a difference between using ssh keys for authentification, and signing commits.
<Begasus> that will escape my mind in any way ;)
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [hrev57684] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=1cdb3beb26e8+%5Eb140858b8c6d
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 1cdb3beb26e8 - sdhci: add ACPI-enumerated device support
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<Begasus> should change my departing message ... _stays_with_the_dogs_ :P
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [hrev57685] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=43f35014f028+%5E1cdb3beb26e8
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 43f35014f028 - AVCodecDecoder: fix build with tracing enabled
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<Begasus> yes!
<Begasus> 2024 packages in system/packages now :P
<gordonjcp> yay
<Begasus> couldn't leave it hanging like that :D
<OscarL> :-)
* OscarL just opened another PR on Beezer. Just in time to log off, because I can't see straight anymore :-D
<OscarL> See you around folks. Have a great day!
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<aazam[m]> I have a question about the enums, is there any specific rule to name them?
<aazam[m]> I am doing `MSG_AUTO_PLAY_VIDEOS_BEHAVIOR_CHANGED= 'apvc'
<aazam[m]> `
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<nosycat> Hello!
<aazam[m]> nosycat: Hello :)
<nosycat> What's new?
<aazam[m]> Aside from me trying to toggle autoplay in webpositive? Not much :D
<nosycat> Any luck?
<aazam[m]> Stuck in a few spots, not sure If I'm doing the right thing
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 2 commits to master [hrev57686] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=b0674032b597+%5E43f35014f028
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 3281146c1f39 - ffmpeg: implement equivalent of avcodec_guess_frame_rate
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] b0674032b597 - AVCodecDecoder: remove legacy ffmpeg support
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<CuppaJoe5> Hi everyone, is the Haiku TCP/IP stack a custom implementation, or is it copied from BSD ?
<dovsienko> the C++ part of it (NetworkKit?) is certainly original, I do not know about the origins of the C (POSIX) part
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<CuppaJoe5> Thanks.
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<Begasus> Skrooge still good :) https://0x0.st/XzY3.0.png
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<nosycat> I like hledger and company.
<nosycat> Never heard of Skrooge before.
<Begasus> I think I heard about skrooge way before discovering mkmymoney
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<waddlesplash> CuppaJoe5: it's all original
<waddlesplash> the only parts from BSD are the actual hardware drivers
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<CuppaJoe5> waddlesplash: has anyone attempted to add a firewall to the Haiku IP stack ? Im retired and very bored
<waddlesplash> don't think so
<waddlesplash> depends what kind of firewall you mean really
<waddlesplash> Haiku is intended for use as a desktop OS not a server OS so I'm not sure how much use a firewall would be
<waddlesplash> if it's being used behind routers anyway
<CuppaJoe5> Was thinking just a basic stateless "is this port allowed" Yes/No kinda implementation
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<Begasus> The retirements to the resque! :)
<Begasus> Welcome CuppaJoe5 :)
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<CuppaJoe5> hi Begasus. yep, retired from Unix background and need a project or 2
<CuppaJoe5> Haiku has been great fun so far
<Begasus> We can always use help from people that have the knowlidge and experience, even if it is only for brainstorming
<Begasus> Or bikesheding :P
<nosycat> A little more security would be welcomed by many Haiku users.
<Begasus> yeah, almost as much as having firefox around :P
<CuppaJoe5> I like to use Haiku as a Torrent box on mini netbook computers (Atom CPU). Just hook it up to the DMZ router port. A firewall might be nice there
<nosycat> That makes sense. And welcome to the club! Netbooks are a favorite of many Haiku users.
<CuppaJoe5> also, am not a security expert. The firewall catches a _log_ of my oops-es
<CuppaJoe5> *lot
<CuppaJoe5> see, theres another one!
<nosycat> It can write a log too.
<Begasus> put a tail on syslog and grep for accesses? (just blabering here)
<Begasus> KF5 playing nice with KF6 :) https://0x0.st/XzgS.png
<nosycat> Good work!
<Begasus> I think we're still good with KMyMoney, no need to add Skrooge to the list of apps :)
<nosycat> :D
<Begasus> builds out of the box, so anyone can build it if they need it :P
<nosycat> I love it when apps do that.
<Begasus> yeah, even though Haiku isn't officialy supported by KDE, almost all build with little to no patching
<Begasus> my biggest anoyments are still with kirigami and akonadi
<nosycat> KDE even runs on Windows. It's pretty amazing.
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<Begasus> Current list of apps using either KF6 and or Gear24 https://0x0.st/XzgQ.png
<nosycat> Nice list!
<Begasus> wip :) trying to see how much I can switch over to gear24
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<Begasus> ah right, ScummVM latest release has been announced :) (was already in the depot for some time)
<nosycat> :D
<scanty> where can I find this BRecentFilesList::NewFileListMenu in the BeBook?
<scanty> i looked in the menu sections but couldn't find it.
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [hrev57687] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=641b9f704b01+%5Eb0674032b597
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 641b9f704b01 - xfs: Inode Structure updated
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<Halamix2> Is there any way to share clipboard between Linux host and Haiku VM in Qemu?
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/6f54310f41a8...92acaea863ac
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 92acaea - libsdl2: bump version
<PulkoMandy> scanty: That isnot a public api from beos, so it won't b, in the book
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 1f09e28c68f4 - ffmpeg: enable multi-threaded decoding
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<zdykstra> niiice
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<Halamix2> Does Haiku support `watch` functionality on files?
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-3/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/92acaea863ac...5ff0a0c3cafe
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 5ff0a0c - Remove kimageannotator, kcolorpicker (#10292)
<Begasus> k, these 2 are only valuable in KF6
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [hrev57689] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=57ad6e6f34a9+%5E1f09e28c68f4
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 57ad6e6f34a9 - BFilePanel: fix items from favorites menu not working
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<Begasus> closing down, cu peeps!
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<OscarL> Halamix2: to "watch" files/nodes... https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/api/NodeMonitor_8h.html#details
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<coolcoder613_32> Good morning
<_Dario_> good morning
<coolcoder613_32> Hi _Dario_
<coolcoder613_32> I haven't seen you before, are you new?
<GenericConfluent> Good morning to you too. (Though it's afternoon for me)
* coolcoder613_32 looks in the IRC logs
<coolcoder613_32> probably timezone difference?
<gordonjcp> night time for me
<gordonjcp> I'm off to bed, I need to get up and have everyone in the car and on the road before 8am tomorrow
<coolcoder613_32> 8:17 AM here
<coolcoder613_32> On Wednsday
<OscarL> Halamix2: in case you want a basic "real world" example on that API usage, I use it in the following code to monitor changes on a settings file: https://github.com/OscarL/TwoWheels/blob/FreeWheely/filter/FreeWheely.cpp (search for watch_node()/stop_watching() and B_NODE_MONITOR).
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<Halamix2_> Uh, where I can report that the first link on https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/wiki/HaikuPorter-Guidelines (Gentoo Portage) is bad?
<Halamix2_> It basically directs users to a shady website
<GenericConfluent> Halamix2_: You're right. That was... unexpected.
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<OscarL> Heh, last "good" gentoo-portage[.]com was in 2012/2013 :-D https://web.archive.org/web/20130227184121/http://www.gentoo-portage.com/
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<Halamix2_> Thanks, I've made an issue
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<PulkoMandy> I think we use gpo.zugaina.org now?
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<_Dario_> sorry coolcoder613_32. I was away from keyboard. No, I am not new... I follow the project since Alpha 1 I guess :)
<_Dario_> I enter in IRC from time to time
<coolcoder613_32> I think I haven't seen you because of timezone differences
<coolcoder613_32> we where never on at the same time
<coolcoder613_32> *were
<_Dario_> maybe. I am in Argentina. 7 PM here
<coolcoder613_32> 9:14 AM here
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<coolcoder613_32> Australia
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<_Dario_> oh, nice! The land of Mad Max ;-)
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<_Dario_> jokes aside, some old friends from my wife moved to Australia long time ago. Great place!
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<OscarL> mmm... *our* "madmax" is from Spain :-P
<_Dario_> :D you are right
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<win8linux[m]> Finding it very easy to do actual work on Haiku now, thanks to the Nextcloud port.
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