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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+3/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/8098df8e3168...626b4cf02c5e
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] win8linux 626b4cf - Novprog: Add recipe (#10323)
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<win8linux[m]> Good afternoon, Begasus!
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
<coolcoder613> Hi Begasus
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<Begasus> Hi coolcoder613
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<Begasus> nice if upstream picks up a patch whithout having done a PR :)
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<OscarL> which one Begasus? (hello, BTW :-P)
<win8linux[m]> Hello there, Begasus!
<Begasus> Hi OscarL win8linux[m]
<Begasus> GETTEXT_CFLAGS="-I/usr/local/include"
<Begasus> why do they keep using hardcoded paths :P
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<Anarchos> hello
<Begasus> Hi Anarchos
<gordonjcp> wmo
<gordonjcp> morning
<Begasus> Hello gordonjcp
<Begasus> all up early today :)
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<Anarchos> Begasus: my router died yesterday
<Anarchos> Begasus: i only rely on my 4G connection on phone for TV for kid, work remotely ...
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<Anarchos> Begasus: no more access to my desktop server :)
<Begasus> jikes Anarchos!
<Begasus> hope the repair man will come soon to fix it
<Begasus> OscarL, I'm guessing this is still ok to use on Haiku? "#!/usr/bin/env perl"
<Anarchos> Begasus: wife will ask for a replacement box
<Begasus> +1 Anarchos
<OscarL> Begasus: IIIRC, runtime_loader basically just replaces "#!/usr/bin/" with "#!/bin". I'll look it up.
<Begasus> still need to run test, but iirc it should be fine
<Begasus> +1 :)
<Begasus> no need to "sed" all the *.pl files then ;)
<OscarL> shoudln't be needed, no.
<Anarchos> OscarL: such disgusting linux-ism all those /usr/...
<OscarL> Indeed, I just use "#!python3" directly :-D
<Begasus> atleast 10 .pl files in there, if there is no need to sed them ... :P
<Begasus> not done yet OscarL :P
<Anarchos> OscarL: would it be possible to write #!env perl ?
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/626b4cf02c5e...ac7545b81787
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] win8linux ac7545b - Kapow: Update to Qt 6, relocate to app-misc (#10322)
<OscarL> Anarchos: as long as "env" is in $PATH, it should work.
<phschafft> why is the shebang relevant to begin with? why doesn't the loader just check for the MIME type [sic]?
<Anarchos> OscarL: i wonder what could be a common shebang for linux and haiku for this kind of things... i am pretty sure /usr/bin/env is not posix
<phschafft> I'm not sure POSIX will say anything about the path beside that the standard utilities should be within the search path or similar.
<OscarL> "Applications should note that the standard PATH to the shell cannot be assumed to be either /bin/sh or /usr/bin/sh, and should be determined by interrogation of the PATH returned by getconf PATH, ensuring that the returned pathname is an absolute pathname and not a shell built-in."
<phschafft> thank you OscarL :)
<OscarL> but also:
<OscarL> "Furthermore, on systems that support executable scripts (the "#!" construct), it is recommended that applications using executable scripts install them using getconf PATH to determine the shell pathname and update the "#!" script appropriately as it is being installed (for example, with sed)."
<OscarL> Mind you, those are from an "informative" section (not mandatory for POSIX compliance).
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<Anarchos> OscarL: 'here is the standard, but do what you want' :)
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<phschafft> keep in mind that POSIX is about the OS, not about random applications that install stuff.
<Begasus> heh OscarL :P
<OscarL> Begasus: good thing that at this point I can do build/test ncurses6 almost blindly :-P (not gonna test the recipe rename on 32 bits, thou!)
<Begasus> I know someone that isn't going to touch ncurses in a long while now :)
<Begasus> could do a check there
<phschafft> so it's already outside it's mandate to suggest stuff for them, but it does anyway as it is helpful. which is mostly the point of POSIX, it aims to be a helpful standard in contrast to some formal standard that is just there for it's own sake.
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<OscarL> Begasus: shouldn't be necessary. it is just a .recipe rename. I've already tested the package on 32 bits for this same snapshot.
<Begasus> ok :)
<Anarchos> phschafft: sure
<Anarchos> phschafft: i find posix understandable, compared to others
* phschafft nods.
<phschafft> the only thing that I would really like to see is a bit more 'why'. both why things are the way they are (sometimes there is just a good technical but not obvious reason), any why things happened in the standard (e.g. stuff being added or removed).
<Anarchos> phschafft: USB or ACPI spec are incredibly hard to read
<phschafft> some parts are a bit easier, but in general yes. I feel like they are harder if they're by some committee that has a formal business/legal background.
<phschafft> also if there are many big companies in it stuff moves very slow.
<phschafft> strangely with all those resources you would think that they're at least technically good when done (even while hard to read). but sadly they're not better than the rest.
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<Begasus> k, follow up's on upstream issues/bugs done for now :)
<erysdren> good morning begasus
<Begasus> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=484823 (my first KDE bug report) :)
<Begasus> Hi there erysdren!
<Begasus> no test case OscarL? ;)
<phschafft> Morning erysdren. :)
<erysdren> hows it going everyone?
<OscarL> Begasus: none to run on TESTS(). The ones under /test are just test programs that show how to use ncurses and/or interactive.
<phschafft> oh, I'm good. hope everyone is also fine. :)
<OscarL> Begasus: "make check" consist of this one line: "@echo "The test-programs are interactive"
<phschafft> just writing a few tickets before I dive back into a segfault.
<phschafft> haha
<Begasus> ok OscarL, green light here too :)
<OscarL> with my luck... now augiedoggie will surely find something wrong with it :-P
<Begasus> oh, checked depending packages?
<Begasus> heh
<Begasus> no major things when trying to install
<OscarL> bash/python/turbo, all seem to work just fine.
<Begasus> +1
<Begasus> thanks!
<OscarL> (the later two I even build against the new _devel packages)
<Begasus> k ... doggies :)
<OscarL> checked building on 32 bits too for turbo.
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<coolcoder613> Hi all
<Begasus> wb coolcoder613 :)
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<Begasus> win8linux[m], sorry 'bout nitpicking, otherwise looks fine for connecagram and simsu
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<win8linux[m]> It's fine, but I don't have access to a Haiku install at the moment for testing changes.
<Begasus> just checked on 64bit with both, all good :)
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<win8linux[m]> Begasus: Where do you mean by sorting alphabetically in the Connectagram PR?
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<Begasus> the lines "rm -rf" win8linux[m]
<Begasus> eg "applications,icons,metainfo"
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<win8linux[m]> Done
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-4/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/ac7545b81787...b0fe075e3d88
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] OscarL b0fe075 - ncurses6: update to version 6.4, snapshot 20230520. (#10308)
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/b0fe075e3d88...52a824511398
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] win8linux 52a8245 - Simsu: Update to 1.4.3, remove icons.zip (#10313)
<Begasus> Thanks ! :)
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/52a824511398...c74996dca95b
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] win8linux c74996d - Connectagram: Update to Qt 6, switch to release version (#10315)
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<Begasus> wb OscarL :)
<OscarL> thanks :-) (power outage, and then forgot to start IRC)
* OscarL sometimes wishes the forum had a "downvote" button :-)
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<Begasus> downvote?
<OscarL> currently there's only the "heart" button... that seems used for "I like this", "I agree", "thanks". etc.
<OscarL> but no way of showing disagreament, other than replying... and that is not always the best option.
<Begasus> ah right
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<OscarL> I would like to express my dislike for what I consider abrasive tone on some comments, without generating even more negative responses :-)
<Begasus> I get what you are refering to :)
<OscarL> As I'm a bit "hot-blooded" my self... I (try to) refrain from directly replying :-)
<phschafft> just go for it. without a good drama the trolls will starve.
<Begasus> not worth the effort :P
<Begasus> Could not find a package configuration file provided by "Qt6Qml" (that's easier to fix) :P
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<Begasus> Not sure we already got something for this? (graphiz dot viewer) https://0x0.st/X-sJ.3.png
<win8linux[m]> Begasus: CuteMaze now has an icon.
<win8linux[m]> Finally back in Haiku again.
<win8linux[m]> <OscarL> "sometimes wishes the forum had a..." <- Heh, what's going on again in the forum?
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+3/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/c74996dca95b...7cffc83d704e
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] win8linux 7cffc83 - CuteMaze: Add recipe (#10321)
<Begasus> thanks again :)
<Anarchos> Begasus: maybe a latex package can deal with graphviz ? :)
<OscarL> win8linux[m]: just me not particuarly enjoying the tone of some replies.
<Anarchos> OscarL: i find x 512 a bit rude some times...
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<OscarL> Anarchos: in his case, I think it might just be due to language barrier.
<Begasus> searching in the recipes I'm not finding much Anarchos (quick look)
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<Begasus> k, KGraphViewer fine with KF5 too, just don't have an icon there :/
<Anarchos> Begasus: i speak about mere latex recipe , not a recipe
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<Begasus> a bit more work probably Anarchos :) https://0x0.st/X-sI.png
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<OscarL> a graphviz viewer (with zoom in/out) sounds nice.
<augiedoggie> Anarchos: actually Haiku supports #!/usr/bin/env and remaps it to #!/bin/env
<Begasus> biab
<Anarchos> augiedoggie: i knew. But it is a hack...
<augiedoggie> not a hack, it's required for posix
<Anarchos> Begasus: i never did it myself (apart from 2005)
<Anarchos> augiedoggie: to remap /usr/bin ?
<augiedoggie> yes, /usr/bin/env is required by posix but we have no /usr so the only option is to automatically remap it
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<OscarL> you sure it is "required"? earlier we where discussing this: https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/sh.html#tag_20_117_16
<augiedoggie> sh is not env
<OscarL> I'm aiming more to the "/usr" part.
<augiedoggie> right, that's why i responded in the first place
<augiedoggie> because there was a discussion
<augiedoggie> apparently we remap everything in /usr now, i wasn't aware of that change
<augiedoggie> well, /usr/bin to /bin
<OscarL> that's how we started the topic, linking to what runtime_loader does :-)
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<augiedoggie> right, but in the past it was just for env not everything else
<OscarL> in any case, that's what Haiku choose to do (to avoid having to patch all scripts, I guess)
<augiedoggie> OscarL: i'll look at your beezer PR tonight or tomorrow, wanted to see if Teknomancer had a comment
<OscarL> augiedoggie: no hurries! Thanks for your time!
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<OscarL> had a WTF? moment earier when I pushed a small fix for one of the PRs, and it triggered those new CI checks :-D
<OscarL> s/earier/earlier today/
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<augiedoggie> the path might not be mandated by posix but it's so ubiquitous that changing it for each script would be a huge hassle
<augiedoggie> i don't see an article about it but i'm pretty sure this was discussed when runtime_loader was initially changed
<augiedoggie> yeah, you changed the PRs about 5 minutes after i got done adding CI to beezer :P
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<Anarchos> augiedoggie: what is beezer?
<Anarchos> OscarL: ah yes i remember having been told about it
<Begasus> re
<OscarL> some more context on the shebang shennanigans: https://www.in-ulm.de/~mascheck/various/shebang/
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<OscarL> "Rationale" section on https://www.opengroup.org/platform/resolutions/bwg2000-004.html also pretty clear.
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<Begasus> putting a default kde icon on kgraphviewer :P
<Begasus> inrecipe lib:libgvc (those look familiar) :P
<Begasus> so it does seem there is not graphviz dot viewer around :)
<Begasus> not/no*
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<nosycat> In Debian I use XDot.
<Begasus> whoops, trailing one ...
<Begasus> hmm ... numpy (me looks at OscarL) :P
<OscarL> doubt I'll attempt building scipy/numpy for at least the next 3 months.
<Begasus> heh
<Begasus> stay on the easy ones for a while (like the kde ones) :D
<OscarL> in any case, it requires GTK3 bindings for python. I don't think we have those.
<Begasus> not keen on looking into that either
<Begasus> GTK3 still a bit bogus with the keys anyway
<Begasus> been thinking about disabling geany for that ...
<Begasus> hard to write code if you can't type "#"
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<nosycat> Never mind then. I only use Graphviz once in a blue moon anyway.
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<Begasus> No one screemed for it, so no one missed it yet ;)
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<Begasus> k, let's check this on 32bit ...
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<Begasus> OscarL, you checked xdot too? https://bpa.st/YWDQ :)
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<OscarL> xdot.py is the one needing GTK3 bindings.
<nosycat> So who screamed for Algol 68 Genie? :P
<OscarL> maybe I wasn't clear I was referring to that (and not in relation to numpy/scipy).
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<Begasus> you were OscarL, but you know me, can't stand not poking into it :P
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<Anarchos> hi there again
<Begasus> biab
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<nosycat> Hello!
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<Begasus> re
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<kallisti5[m]> I broke our infra for the last 30 minutes. Sorry, that one was on me. tldr; I applied a new traefik ingress controller to haiku's cluster accidentally. I cleaned it up which deleted the CRD definitions for Traefik.... which removed all of our ingress CRD's for Traefik.
<kallisti5[m]> tldr; tldr; re-applied all the things and we're stable again
<Begasus> +1 kallisti5[m] :)
<kallisti5[m]> The irony is I have a coworker who made a tool to validate you're on the right cluster before applying yaml.. I scoffed at his tooling
<kallisti5[m]> ... now I feel bad
<Begasus> karma ;)
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/7cffc83d704e...7d59d8e60822
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 7d59d8e - kdenlive, new recipe (#10195)
<Begasus> no worries, not enabled atm :)
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+3/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/7d59d8e60822...20b442342c16
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 20b4423 - kgraphviewer, a graphviz dot graph file viewer (#10324)
<Begasus> this one is :)
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/20b442342c16...29734b867614
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Sylvain78 29734b8 - [x11-libs] Port of gtksourceview3 (#10279)
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<Begasus> closing down, cu peeps!
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<coolcoder613_32> Good morning
<hightower2> oi
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