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[haikuports/haikuports] win8linux 626b4cf - Novprog: Add recipe (#10323)
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Good afternoon, Begasus!
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Begasus >
g'morning peeps
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coolcoder613 >
Hi Begasus
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Hi coolcoder613
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nice if upstream picks up a patch whithout having done a PR :)
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OscarL >
which one Begasus? (hello, BTW :-P)
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win8linux[m] >
Hello there, Begasus!
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Begasus >
Hi OscarL win8linux[m]
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Begasus >
GETTEXT_CFLAGS="-I/usr/local/include"
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Begasus >
why do they keep using hardcoded paths :P
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Begasus >
Hi Anarchos
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gordonjcp >
morning
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Begasus >
Hello gordonjcp
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Begasus >
all up early today :)
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Anarchos >
Begasus: my router died yesterday
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Anarchos >
Begasus: i only rely on my 4G connection on phone for TV for kid, work remotely ...
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Anarchos >
Begasus: no more access to my desktop server :)
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Begasus >
jikes Anarchos!
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Begasus >
hope the repair man will come soon to fix it
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Begasus >
OscarL, I'm guessing this is still ok to use on Haiku? "#!/usr/bin/env perl"
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Anarchos >
Begasus: wife will ask for a replacement box
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Begasus >
+1 Anarchos
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OscarL >
Begasus: IIIRC, runtime_loader basically just replaces "#!/usr/bin/" with "#!/bin". I'll look it up.
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Begasus >
still need to run test, but iirc it should be fine
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Begasus >
no need to "sed" all the *.pl files then ;)
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OscarL >
shoudln't be needed, no.
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Anarchos >
OscarL: such disgusting linux-ism all those /usr/...
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OscarL >
Indeed, I just use "#!python3" directly :-D
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Begasus >
atleast 10 .pl files in there, if there is no need to sed them ... :P
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Begasus >
not done yet OscarL :P
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Anarchos >
OscarL: would it be possible to write #!env perl ?
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botifico >
[haikuports/haikuports] win8linux ac7545b - Kapow: Update to Qt 6, relocate to app-misc (#10322)
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Anarchos: as long as "env" is in $PATH, it should work.
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phschafft >
why is the shebang relevant to begin with? why doesn't the loader just check for the MIME type [sic]?
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Anarchos >
OscarL: i wonder what could be a common shebang for linux and haiku for this kind of things... i am pretty sure /usr/bin/env is not posix
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phschafft >
I'm not sure POSIX will say anything about the path beside that the standard utilities should be within the search path or similar.
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OscarL >
"Applications should note that the standard PATH to the shell cannot be assumed to be either /bin/sh or /usr/bin/sh, and should be determined by interrogation of the PATH returned by getconf PATH, ensuring that the returned pathname is an absolute pathname and not a shell built-in."
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phschafft >
thank you OscarL :)
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OscarL >
"Furthermore, on systems that support executable scripts (the "#!" construct), it is recommended that applications using executable scripts install them using getconf PATH to determine the shell pathname and update the "#!" script appropriately as it is being installed (for example, with sed)."
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OscarL >
Mind you, those are from an "informative" section (not mandatory for POSIX compliance).
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OscarL: 'here is the standard, but do what you want' :)
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phschafft >
keep in mind that POSIX is about the OS, not about random applications that install stuff.
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Begasus >
heh OscarL :P
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OscarL >
Begasus: good thing that at this point I can do build/test ncurses6 almost blindly :-P (not gonna test the recipe rename on 32 bits, thou!)
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Begasus >
I know someone that isn't going to touch ncurses in a long while now :)
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Begasus >
could do a check there
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phschafft >
so it's already outside it's mandate to suggest stuff for them, but it does anyway as it is helpful. which is mostly the point of POSIX, it aims to be a helpful standard in contrast to some formal standard that is just there for it's own sake.
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OscarL >
Begasus: shouldn't be necessary. it is just a .recipe rename. I've already tested the package on 32 bits for this same snapshot.
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Anarchos >
phschafft: sure
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Anarchos >
phschafft: i find posix understandable, compared to others
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phschafft >
the only thing that I would really like to see is a bit more 'why'. both why things are the way they are (sometimes there is just a good technical but not obvious reason), any why things happened in the standard (e.g. stuff being added or removed).
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Anarchos >
phschafft: USB or ACPI spec are incredibly hard to read
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phschafft >
some parts are a bit easier, but in general yes. I feel like they are harder if they're by some committee that has a formal business/legal background.
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phschafft >
also if there are many big companies in it stuff moves very slow.
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phschafft >
strangely with all those resources you would think that they're at least technically good when done (even while hard to read). but sadly they're not better than the rest.
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k, follow up's on upstream issues/bugs done for now :)
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erysdren >
good morning begasus
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Begasus >
Hi there erysdren!
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Begasus >
no test case OscarL? ;)
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phschafft >
Morning erysdren. :)
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erysdren >
hows it going everyone?
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Begasus: none to run on TESTS(). The ones under /test are just test programs that show how to use ncurses and/or interactive.
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phschafft >
oh, I'm good. hope everyone is also fine. :)
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Begasus: "make check" consist of this one line: "@echo "The test-programs are interactive"
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phschafft >
just writing a few tickets before I dive back into a segfault.
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Begasus >
ok OscarL, green light here too :)
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OscarL >
with my luck... now augiedoggie will surely find something wrong with it :-P
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Begasus >
oh, checked depending packages?
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Begasus >
no major things when trying to install
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bash/python/turbo, all seem to work just fine.
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(the later two I even build against the new _devel packages)
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Begasus >
k ... doggies :)
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checked building on 32 bits too for turbo.
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coolcoder613 >
Hi all
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wb coolcoder613 :)
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win8linux[m], sorry 'bout nitpicking, otherwise looks fine for connecagram and simsu
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win8linux[m] >
It's fine, but I don't have access to a Haiku install at the moment for testing changes.
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just checked on 64bit with both, all good :)
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Begasus: Where do you mean by sorting alphabetically in the Connectagram PR?
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Begasus >
the lines "rm -rf" win8linux[m]
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Begasus >
eg "applications,icons,metainfo"
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win8linux[m] >
Done
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[haikuports/haikuports] OscarL b0fe075 - ncurses6: update to version 6.4, snapshot 20230520. (#10308)
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[haikuports/haikuports] win8linux 52a8245 - Simsu: Update to 1.4.3, remove icons.zip (#10313)
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Thanks ! :)
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[haikuports/haikuports] win8linux c74996d - Connectagram: Update to Qt 6, switch to release version (#10315)
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Begasus >
wb OscarL :)
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OscarL >
thanks :-) (power outage, and then forgot to start IRC)
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* OscarL
sometimes wishes the forum had a "downvote" button :-)
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Begasus >
downvote?
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OscarL >
currently there's only the "heart" button... that seems used for "I like this", "I agree", "thanks". etc.
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OscarL >
but no way of showing disagreament, other than replying... and that is not always the best option.
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I would like to express my dislike for what I consider abrasive tone on some comments, without generating even more negative responses :-)
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I get what you are refering to :)
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OscarL >
As I'm a bit "hot-blooded" my self... I (try to) refrain from directly replying :-)
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phschafft >
just go for it. without a good drama the trolls will starve.
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Begasus >
not worth the effort :P
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Begasus >
Could not find a package configuration file provided by "Qt6Qml" (that's easier to fix) :P
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Begasus: CuteMaze now has an icon.
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win8linux[m] >
Finally back in Haiku again.
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win8linux[m] >
<OscarL> "sometimes wishes the forum had a..." <- Heh, what's going on again in the forum?
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botifico >
[haikuports/haikuports] win8linux 7cffc83 - CuteMaze: Add recipe (#10321)
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Begasus >
thanks again :)
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Anarchos >
Begasus: maybe a latex package can deal with graphviz ? :)
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win8linux[m]: just me not particuarly enjoying the tone of some replies.
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OscarL: i find x 512 a bit rude some times...
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Anarchos: in his case, I think it might just be due to language barrier.
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searching in the recipes I'm not finding much Anarchos (quick look)
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k, KGraphViewer fine with KF5 too, just don't have an icon there :/
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Anarchos >
Begasus: i speak about mere latex recipe , not a recipe
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a graphviz viewer (with zoom in/out) sounds nice.
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augiedoggie >
Anarchos: actually Haiku supports #!/usr/bin/env and remaps it to #!/bin/env
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Anarchos >
augiedoggie: i knew. But it is a hack...
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augiedoggie >
not a hack, it's required for posix
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Begasus: i never did it myself (apart from 2005)
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augiedoggie: to remap /usr/bin ?
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augiedoggie >
yes, /usr/bin/env is required by posix but we have no /usr so the only option is to automatically remap it
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augiedoggie >
sh is not env
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I'm aiming more to the "/usr" part.
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augiedoggie >
right, that's why i responded in the first place
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augiedoggie >
because there was a discussion
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augiedoggie >
apparently we remap everything in /usr now, i wasn't aware of that change
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augiedoggie >
well, /usr/bin to /bin
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that's how we started the topic, linking to what runtime_loader does :-)
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augiedoggie >
right, but in the past it was just for env not everything else
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OscarL >
in any case, that's what Haiku choose to do (to avoid having to patch all scripts, I guess)
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augiedoggie >
OscarL: i'll look at your beezer PR tonight or tomorrow, wanted to see if Teknomancer had a comment
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OscarL >
augiedoggie: no hurries! Thanks for your time!
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had a WTF? moment earier when I pushed a small fix for one of the PRs, and it triggered those new CI checks :-D
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s/earier/earlier today/
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the path might not be mandated by posix but it's so ubiquitous that changing it for each script would be a huge hassle
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augiedoggie >
i don't see an article about it but i'm pretty sure this was discussed when runtime_loader was initially changed
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augiedoggie >
yeah, you changed the PRs about 5 minutes after i got done adding CI to beezer :P
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augiedoggie: what is beezer?
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OscarL: ah yes i remember having been told about it
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putting a default kde icon on kgraphviewer :P
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Begasus >
inrecipe lib:libgvc (those look familiar) :P
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Begasus >
so it does seem there is not graphviz dot viewer around :)
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nosycat >
In Debian I use XDot.
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Begasus >
whoops, trailing one ...
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Begasus >
hmm ... numpy (me looks at OscarL) :P
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OscarL >
doubt I'll attempt building scipy/numpy for at least the next 3 months.
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Begasus >
stay on the easy ones for a while (like the kde ones) :D
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OscarL >
in any case, it requires GTK3 bindings for python. I don't think we have those.
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Begasus >
not keen on looking into that either
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Begasus >
GTK3 still a bit bogus with the keys anyway
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Begasus >
been thinking about disabling geany for that ...
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Begasus >
hard to write code if you can't type "#"
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Never mind then. I only use Graphviz once in a blue moon anyway.
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No one screemed for it, so no one missed it yet ;)
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k, let's check this on 32bit ...
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xdot.py is the one needing GTK3 bindings.
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nosycat >
So who screamed for Algol 68 Genie? :P
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maybe I wasn't clear I was referring to that (and not in relation to numpy/scipy).
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you were OscarL, but you know me, can't stand not poking into it :P
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hi there again
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I broke our infra for the last 30 minutes. Sorry, that one was on me. tldr; I applied a new traefik ingress controller to haiku's cluster accidentally. I cleaned it up which deleted the CRD definitions for Traefik.... which removed all of our ingress CRD's for Traefik.
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kallisti5[m] >
tldr; tldr; re-applied all the things and we're stable again
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+1 kallisti5[m] :)
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The irony is I have a coworker who made a tool to validate you're on the right cluster before applying yaml.. I scoffed at his tooling
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kallisti5[m] >
... now I feel bad
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botifico >
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 7d59d8e - kdenlive, new recipe (#10195)
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Begasus >
no worries, not enabled atm :)
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[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 20b4423 - kgraphviewer, a graphviz dot graph file viewer (#10324)
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this one is :)
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[haikuports/haikuports] Sylvain78 29734b8 - [x11-libs] Port of gtksourceview3 (#10279)
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closing down, cu peeps!
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Good morning
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