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<coolcoder613> Good morning
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<rennj> good would be if this irc client stopped timing out
<coolcoder613> Sorry, when I close my laptop...
<rennj> sleep/suspend on linux a nice simple "echo -n mem > /sys/power/state"
<rennj> lenovo ryzen3 laptop seems to work fine...
<rennj> the 2011 irc client timing out past couple of days is new
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<rennj> been timing out terrible on oftc..but this is new level of bull
<rennj> meh..the suck...Cory Doctorow "enshittification"
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<rennj> Genode on seL4 or just seL4. https://sel4.systems/ Security is no excuse for bad performance
<rennj> The world's most highly assured OS kernel.
<rennj> would be nice sel4/plan9 hipster os
<rennj> oi hipster..nah solaris kernel is dead
<rennj> sel4/plan9 fd, beos tracker/deskbar gui...
<rennj> ahh well i waited from 1985-2004 for ram-os/immutable os in-memory.. knoppix/cloop compress loopback, then unionfs,aufs,overlayfs and squashfs..i can wait another 2 decades
<rennj> or Pushing up daisies witch ever comes first
<coolcoder613> Macbook here
<rennj> crapple!
<rennj> crapple like m$ is not worth supporting, if you care about being abused
<rennj> m$ and crapple i been avoiding since amiga days
<rennj> a1000 1985
<rennj> amiga,beos,solaris,freebsd,linux,qnx i payed for $$$ gladly
<rennj> m$ was just tax i paid on laptops...rm -rf each version
<rennj> 8 times i think i paid m$ tax now
<rennj> rm -rf winblow partition/efi part
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<rennj> anyway haiku needs to change up kernel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L4_microkernel_family
<rennj> High assurance: seL4
<rennj> formal verification of the kernel
<rennj> Under the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) High-Assurance Cyber Military Systems (HACMS) program, NICTA together with project partners Rockwell Collins, Galois Inc, the University of Minnesota and Boeing developed a high-assurance drone using seL4, along with other assurance tools and software, with planned technology transfer onto the optionally piloted autonomous Boeing AH-6 Unmanned Little Bird helicopter being developed by Boeing.
<rennj> fix you kernel
<rennj> haiku needs to rock like beos
<rennj> top shelf!
<rennj> sel4 kernel
<rennj> muxing the uring buffer
<rennj> network cards
<rennj> io_uring
<rennj> sel4 muxing the uring buffer...
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<rennj> Reproducible builds and verification of the kernel...supply chain attack but im sure it timed out
<rennj> everyone should have same md5/des/sha sums..on binary builds, hello-world.c same CRC checksum
<rennj> mine or yours
<moparisthebest> "haiku needs to rewrite the entire kernel" cool very valuable feedback rennj I'm sure patches are welcome...
<rennj> who said that...i said choose an already verified kernel
<rennj> like when truecrypt code was audited twice
<rennj> truecrypt/veracrypt..code was audited twice
<moparisthebest> oh ok so it only needs to swap out the kernel? that's of course totally simple! can't wait to see your patch!
<rennj> chain of trust...c compiler
<rennj> TURING AWARD LECTURE
<rennj> Reflections on Trusting Trust
<rennj> anyway you need code that has had audit.
<moparisthebest> you know code audits are nearly useless right? provide no assurance code doesn't have flaws at least
<rennj> you can say that, but thats not how math and electric signals work
<rennj> your computer wouldnt boot without those audits on just voltage...resistor,caps,diodes...
<moparisthebest> what does that have to do with code ?
<rennj> anyway https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reproducible_builds is not some esoteric goal
<rennj> what does that have to do with code?
<rennj> haha
<rennj> yeah netbsd 8.x
<rennj> and ?
<rennj> nix guix trying to solve today
<rennj> NetBSD hits 100% reproducibility in builds
<rennj> anyway this something to think about..
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<coolcoder613_> Hi Begasus
<Begasus> g'morning peeps
<Begasus> Hi coolcoder613_
<Begasus> shaka444[m], R1B4 only gets system updates for it when there is something for it, not the ones included that are included in the nightlies (and gets also the updates from haikuports, that's not related to the OS)
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<Begasus> a fix for timegm done on a project, seems to do the trick for Haiku also :) https://github.com/SOCI/soci/commit/1b14b7c58bef0feb6c6e5130394bd444481fbfb9
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<Begasus> fatal error: 'stddef.h' file not found
<Begasus> this is one from clang, but the tests can't seem to find it?
<Begasus> in: /boot/system/lib/clang/17/include
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<botifico> [haiku/website] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/e2f25154b79e...ff5a145ae923
<botifico> [haiku/website] OscarL ff5a145 - Add link to "Haiku internals' documentation".
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/c8deac17ae6a...2c33f79447b5
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 2c33f79 - umbrello, bump version (#10356)
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/2c33f79447b5...94bbe39927d8
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 94bbe39 - ixion0.18: bump version
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/94bbe39927d8...da58396c7d98
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes da58396 - orcus0.18: bump version
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<zdykstra> morning Begasus
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/da58396c7d98...8ecde9f0edc0
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 8ecde9f - libreoffice: bump version
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/8ecde9f0edc0...3160d4209ca4
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 3160d42 - libpciaccess: bump version, support for Haiku
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/3160d4209ca4...4d9100dcd494
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 4d9100d - libreoffice 6: disable for primary arch
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<Begasus> hi there zdykstra :)
<Begasus> was out for a bit
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<Anarchos> hello
* phschafft waves.
<zard> o/
<Anarchos> do others have shutdown freezes before power off ?
<zard> Not in my vm
<Anarchos> zard and on bare metal ?
<zard> No idea :-P
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<Begasus> Hello, no freezes on power off here Anarchos
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/4d9100dcd494...479e90321a45
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 479e903 - clazy, bump version (#10357)
<Begasus> bugger ...
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/479e90321a45...2cf32f3cb2e4
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 2cf32f3 - clazy, fix for 32bit (#10358)
<Anarchos> Begasus my old toshiba has those freezes on 4/5 shutdown
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<Begasus> eeps
<Begasus> afk for a while :)
<BlueSky76> Anarchos: yes, happens on my bare metal Haiku install too. Not always, maybe one time in 5 shutdowns. It´s an old no-name desktop machine from 2008. Haiku 64bit, latest nightly. Haven´t opened a ticket yet...
<Anarchos> BlueSky76 mine is a 2011 toshiba laptop
<Anarchos> BlueSky76 i think there is already a ticket. I sould look for it
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<Anarchos> is tqh still active on haiku ?
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<Begasus> closing down here, cu peeps
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<BlueSky76> Anarchos: Thanks for the link. I´ll take a look at the ticket, maybe I can add some info to it
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] jmairboeck pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/2cf32f3cb2e4...e01123cdc626
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] jmairboeck e01123c - opencascade: bump version
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] jmairboeck pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/e01123cdc626...fff7f1cb1e0d
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] jmairboeck fff7f1c - opencascade: switch source to the GitHub mirror
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