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<Begasus>
k, need to update cudatext, was a regression apparently in our current version
<win8linux[m]>
Hello Begasus
<Begasus>
Hi win8linux[m]
<Begasus>
biab .. dogs :)
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<scops_>
hey :)
<scops_>
is there a way to map the task switcher from strg + tab to alt + tab?
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<OscarL>
scops_: AFAIK, only by going to Preferences->Keymap, and using the "Switch shortcut keys to Windows/Linux mode" button.
<OscarL>
(that switches CMD/Alt for Ctrl/Strg for everything, thou).
<scops_>
hmmm... ok thats not what i want (i like the alt+x/c/v a lot... as BeOS/Mac user...) thanks... it would be nice if there would be a option to map those combos manually
<OscarL>
oh, *great*, need to build ncurses6 FOUR times on 32 bits :-/ (widec vs no-widec, and gcc2 vs x86). Surely could use some of Begasus' spare CPU cores :P
<Begasus>
occupied atm :P
<Begasus>
biab
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<OscarL>
my silly "compare_package.py" script surely came in handy now (comparing the newly built ncurses6 against the installed one)
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<Begasus>
k, third laptop launched :)
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<Begasus>
for one of them I think I need to hunt down a new keyboard
<OscarL>
Too much head-banging those poor keys? /me can relate :-P
<Begasus>
it's one of the kids older laptops, you don't want to see what's burried beneath those keys :P
* OscarL
passes Begasus a bottle of gasoline, and some matches.
<Begasus>
specs aren't so bad, so I'm holding off on that ;)
<Begasus>
probably not something major for us, but still, Alexey mentioned it so now it's updated :)
<OscarL>
I see. Thanks. Good think he mentioned.
<OscarL>
s/think/thing/
<Begasus>
it's nice from him to comment on it and wants to keep our port alive :)
<OscarL>
Indeed, always nice when upstream at least replies :-D
<Begasus>
right! +1
<Begasus>
ps, tried yesterday with zstd packages from prior version, got the same error when building the buildtools
* OscarL
still waits for pyserial to merge a really simple PR for Haiku port detection :-D
<Begasus>
the issue is in "multiple definitions" in gdb
<OscarL>
No idea there, sorry. Never built the buildtools
<Begasus>
closed the MR for fpc as there wasn't even a response ... seems they are not interested :/
<Begasus>
you do a Haiku build without the buildtools?
<OscarL>
Begasus: I don't do full images, as I have no need for those. At most, I only need "haiku.hpkg"
<Begasus>
haiku/generated.x86_64/Jamfile: No such file or directory
<Begasus>
without the buildtools
<OscarL>
and I needed it only once. Most of the time, I just jam the app/driver/whatever I need, and test just that :-)
<Begasus>
got it :)
<Begasus>
need to figure out how to do it on 32bit (again) :)
<OscarL>
Begasus: I just ran "./configure --use-gcc-pipe" from the top "haiku" dir, and then jam from wherever. I only need one config (only one "generated" dir), so that simplifies things.
<Begasus>
trying to go with the kinda official way of doing it for a full build (and a larger image to checkout with qemu)
<Begasus>
and I want to get this one here back up and running
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<OscarL>
Begasus: just in case you might find it useful... an updated version of my "diff for .hpkg" script: https://bpa.st/WAXQ
<OscarL>
it now allows you to compare any two given .hpkg you pass to it (not only a given package name, as before).
<Begasus>
nice OscarL, will check it later!
<Habbie>
did you see pkgdiff? i hported it including a patch for hpkg support some time ago
<win8linux[m]>
Begasus: Can confirm that libQt6UiTools does work as a substitute for qt6_tools. Already updated the recipe for Tetzle and the other PRs today so far.
<Begasus>
biab
<Begasus>
but +1 :)
<OscarL>
k. ncurses6 seems just fine on 32 bits too. Set the PR as ready for review. Python 3.14.4 works too, but .patchset still could use some more work, so not opening a PR for that just yet.
<Begasus>
win8linux[m], came accross this multiple times when switching qt5 recipes to qt6, hence seen it enough ;)
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<Begasus>
(.text+0xdda): undefined reference to `__divmoddi4'
<OscarL>
with that, I was able to "jam -q haiku.hpkg", and install it. Booted just fine because I already had the haiku_loader package installed already :-P
<Begasus>
k, cleaned objects, rebuild ...
<Begasus>
OscarL, installed as "in tree"?
<Gilj>
I'm trying to find out if there's an open ticket for operating system login, user accounts and user directory encryption, can't find one but there must be one right? pretty standard operating system stuff
<OscarL>
as in "pkgman install ./haiku.hpkg", rebooted to test my changes, then rebooted, selected previous state_*.
<Begasus>
well, the idea here is to be able to boot it with qemu ;)
<OscarL>
if you find a way to add that haiku.hpkg to an install you booted in QEMU, then it should work. but if you want an .iso... for 64 bits you DO need the buildtools, sadly.
<Begasus>
k, let's first try to see if this works
<Begasus>
32bit builds both still up and running
* phschafft
nods to nephele.
<OscarL>
Begasus: Welp... not entirely sure... maybe if you only boot UEFI... It might be possible to just disable "haiku_loader.bios_i32" and haiku_loader_pxe_ia32 (thus not needing buildtools)
<OscarL>
Gilj: AFAIK, "proper" multiuser support is not planned for R1.
<Begasus>
src/add-ons/translators/wonderbrush/Layer.cpp:18:10: fatal error: bitmap_compression.h: No such file or directory
<Begasus>
still there I see :)
<nephele>
hi phschafft
<OscarL>
Gilj: for drive encryption, there's https://github.com/axeld/driveencryption (but some pieces are missing, so you can't use it for the boot drive, AFAIK).
<phschafft>
hm.
* nephele
is amazed at the invention of Gold plated Optical Toslink cable
<phschafft>
nephele: do you have any plans for when you would have a next meeting?
<phschafft>
haha.
<nephele>
I'm pretty much available, except tommorow i have another thing :)
<Gilj>
Thanks Oscar, that's helpful, looks like I might be able to get by for now by encrypting a partition for my docs.
* phschafft
nods.
<Begasus>
still nogo OscarL :/
<OscarL>
buh! same error (libiberty), or different one?
<Begasus>
the one without buildtools stil the multiple definitions
<OscarL>
(would be crazy if you get that libiberty error on 64 bits without using buildtools. thou)
<phschafft>
any wishes?
<Begasus>
yeah, that wasn't a problem before
<Begasus>
err meant the undefined references without buildtools
<Begasus>
the multiple definition of `htab_empty' etc are from building the buildtools
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<nephele>
leet
<OscarL>
just put "--allow-multiple-definitions" somewhere and yolo it! :-P
<Begasus>
tsss :P
* Begasus
checks it anyway :)
<OscarL>
more seriously, binutils 2.41 last updated 8 months ago, gcc13 7 months ago... so, unlikely to be a problem there? Tried building on nightly yet?
<Begasus>
no, not on nightly
<Begasus>
would mean I have to go virtual :)
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* OscarL
does a Jamiroquai little dance: "Virtual Insanity!!!".
<Begasus>
the buildtools had been done way before that, hence nothing changed since then for Haiku's build
<Begasus>
heh
<Begasus>
k, the laptop with the broken keyboard is pretty fast in building :)
<OscarL>
meanwhile, I did a 500 MHz overclock on the slowest P-State on my Phenom (can't undervolt it further so... now pushing MHz up :-D)
<Begasus>
/packages/zstd-1.5.6-1/.self/develop/lib/libiberty.a(hashtab.o):/sources/gdb-6.3/libiberty/./hashtab.c:238: first defined here
<Begasus>
where does it get that file from? it's not included in zstd?
<OscarL>
no idea. you get the same error on all your machines?
<OscarL>
(the ones you already tried, I mean)
<Begasus>
only tried that so far here (not needed for the 32bit ones)
<OscarL>
if you revert your zstd changes in the haiku repository files... builds goes OK?
<Begasus>
on it :)
<Begasus>
even haiku's source deleted and cloned again, so all clean as a baby atm :P
<Begasus>
biab ... dogs
<Begasus>
same with: /packages/zstd-1.5.5-1/.self/develop/lib/libiberty.a(hashtab.o):/sources/gdb-6.3/libiberty/./hashtab.c:706: first defined here
<coolcoder613>
"In this case, it's showing that these symbols are defined both in hashtab.c from the zstd-1.5.5-1 package and in hashtab.c from the gdb-6.3 source code."
<Begasus>
but can't believe no one has hit that yet (so maybe it's just me?
<coolcoder613>
As always, google the error message
<OscarL>
Begasus: pkgman full?
<Begasus>
nah! loosing some stuff here then (but hrev is uptodate)
<OscarL>
Begasus: pkgman update gcc* ?
<Begasus>
that should be on par (run "pkgman update" on a regular base)
<OscarL>
sprinkle some holy water on PC ?
* coolcoder613
is signing off
<Begasus>
err ... a few packages pop up ...
<Begasus>
well, those aren't installed anyway (gcc_jit one of them)
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<Begasus>
ps, there is no hashtab.c in zstd coolcoder613 (already checked), neither are those functions
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<OscarL>
regular AI crap response.
<Begasus>
yeah, didn't even read it when I saw the heading :P
<OscarL>
didn't even clicked the link :-D
<Begasus>
well, it's not my zstd bump, last one (as shown) does the same :P
<Begasus>
I even tried a local build/install for that gdb version (patched)
<Begasus>
seen those before and just adding "extern " in front of the offending lines fixed the build, just can't seem to pin them down :/
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<Begasus>
ps, 32bit, one running nightly, one running R1B4, both build seem fine so far (one busy downloading packages)
<kallisti5[m]>
time menu now works. The "Dockbert menu" is still missing, but I manually added it for that screenshot
<kallisti5[m]>
Begasus: yeah.. i saw that too. reload
<Begasus>
lol, and now it opens :)
<Anarchos>
Begasus: ah, i found another occurence of execve in the troubled program that i did'nt spot earlier !!
<kallisti5[m]>
nielx: we're seeing errors on trac after the update
<Anarchos>
Begasus: food for thoughts tonight :)
<Begasus>
lol
<Begasus>
I'm happy for today to get a 4GB image for both 32bit and 64bit ;)
<zdykstra>
Dockbert looks nice
<OscarL>
mmmm Does transparency works? or that trick only worked on BeOS?
<kallisti5[m]>
yeah. It's pretty nice. Kinda why i'm looking at some of the bugs
<Begasus>
bugger, guess 4GB was/is to much for an image ...
<OscarL>
I used to use it all the time up to 2006 :-)
<OscarL>
(dockbert, I mean)
<Begasus>
used it too, but memore is gone here :P
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<Begasus>
memory* :)
<Begasus>
biab, picking up one of the daughters at work
<OscarL>
kallisti5[m]: IIRC, you can drag and drop "text commands" into Dockbert. Say... select and dnd "showdesktop" onto Dockbert, for example.
<kallisti5[m]>
aah. I saw some easter eggs in it.. was wondering how to activate them lol
<OscarL>
I have a "DockbertCmds" with some of it... "beos" "black-karma", "dockbert", "microsoft", "apple".
<OscarL>
"!experimental!replicant_tab" too
<OscarL>
clock, trash, workspaces, separator (in case you lost any of those :-D)
<OscarL>
Still got a "DockbertUpdate.patch" dated 2004 :-D
<OscarL>
and full "dockbert-updated" (2006) with CVS poiting to: ":pserver:anonymous@code.beunited.org:/cvs/dockbert" heh :-D
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<zeldakatze[m]>
Hello
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<OscarL>
hi zeldakatze[m].
<zeldakatze[m]>
I'm wondering about the php and mysql port if it would make sense to add a proper default config for fpm. At the moment, you still have to do quite a bit of stuff to get both working. I'd try to do that, if that would be ok
<OscarL>
I've no clue. Better ask again when Begasus returns, zeldakatze[m].
<OscarL>
thing is... you have the "package version" and the "abi version". in this case... gtksourceview version "3.24.11" declares its libraries as "abi 1.8.0"
<OscarL>
bit confusing at first.
<Begasus>
extrowerk had a nice link back then, but it's not updated anymore ...
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<Anarchos>
OscarL ok i see : it is a field used to check backwards compatilibity of dll
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<Begasus>
Anarchos, if I would build something with it and it declares the version as 3.24.0 (which is wrong) and someone fixes it to be the correct 1.8.0 it will brake the build done against it (packages)
<Anarchos>
Begasus sure, i will solve that tonight
<Begasus>
hence with "libVersionCompat" you get "1.8.0 compat >= 1"
<Begasus>
no hurry Anarchos :)
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<Begasus>
and there is luckely no conflict with gtksourceview4 as the library name is different :)
<Begasus>
OscarL, did you check the content of the "packaging" directory for ncurses ?
<OscarL>
I do "hp -c" bewteen build, and yes, checked there. The issue seems to be that for the newest version...
<OscarL>
build-nowidec/ and build-widec/ dirs both contains those .pc files, and cp refuesed to overwrite them.
<OscarL>
I was adding "-f" to the first "cp" lines (because I'm half-asleep)... tried with "cp -f build-*/*.pc $libDir/pkgconfig"... still same issue :-/
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<Anarchos>
i will soon have ubuntu with some VM on it, so maybe i will be able to help on porting GHC again
<Begasus>
Hope I can get the other laptops keyboard running (at least good enough), to install KDE Neon in dualboot :)
<OscarL>
I should probably just "rm build-nowidec/*w.pc"... let's see.
<augiedoggie>
i think that's the same problem i ran into
<augiedoggie>
part of the reason why i don't work on adding a _terminfo subpackage :P
<OscarL>
at least now I got a different error :-D "mv: cannot stat '/packages/ncurses6-6.4-1/.self/lib/libform.*': No such file or directory"
<Begasus>
heh
<Anarchos>
is there an env variable to be sure we run on Haiku ?
<Anarchos>
The only i can see is BE_HOST_CPU.
<OscarL>
welp... "build-nowidec" only contains the widec libs now for some reason... no wonder it doesn't works :-/
<OscarL>
would be nice to understand why, thou.
<OscarL>
Anarchos: $OSTYPE
<OscarL>
augiedoggie: ncurses6-6.4.1 worked sooo fine... until korli popped my ballon with that CVE :-P
<Anarchos>
OscarL ah nice
<OscarL>
Anarchos: I just ran "set | grep -i haiku" to find it :-P
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* OscarL
re-checks ncurses ./configure options for the nth time.
<Begasus>
OK, why can I create a 4GB image on 32bit that boots but not on 64bit? https://0x0.st/XixN.png
<Anarchos>
OscarL i never use set!
<Anarchos>
Begasus th walter logo :DDDDD
<Anarchos>
can' t stop laughing when i see it
<Begasus>
probably due to the user build config file
<OscarL>
I think I just discovered by accident (my usual typos) that plain "set" shows all set envars :-)
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<Begasus>
32bit done it's job for today :)
<Anarchos>
OscarL but $OSTYPE dosen't show up in «env» result
<OscarL>
I *think* I found the issue. no-widec / widec defaults got reversed (before: "--enable-widec", now: "--disable-widec").
<Anarchos>
OscarL Sad, cause i can only do a 'getenv' in my trouble program. So will sitick to BE_HIST_CPU to detect haiku for now (dirty but fast and clean enough for a quick detect)
<OscarL>
Anarchos: in any case, cant you export some env var from "uname -o"? (or just use the latter directly)
<Anarchos>
OscarL that should be the clean way,n but i don't want to pollute the user's env, and i fear of collision for the name
<Anarchos>
i can 'run' unname -o, but i can just get its status code in return. Or i should redirect stdout etcc. I just wanted a one(liner so getenv 'BE_HOST_CPU' != null is perfect)
<Anarchos>
OscarL ocaml, not c++ :/ and they are reluctant to add the ostype = haiku in their system lib
<Anarchos>
they did ,but not in the LTR version
<OscarL>
Anarchos: then, yes, BE_HOST_CPU seems like the closest you'll get from "/system/boot/SetupEnvironment".
<Anarchos>
nice error message : I must not crash. Uncertainty is the mind-killer. Exceptions are the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will fully express my cases. Execution will pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past, I will unwind the stack along its path. Where the cases are handled there will be nothing. Only I will remain. Makefile:49: recipe for target 'release' failed
<nosycat>
ROFLMAO.
<OscarL>
beats the hell out of programs failing silently, at least :-P (/me hate those).
<Anarchos>
OscarL at work i put no log and fails silently. In purpose :D
<Anarchos>
no colleagues detect it is a true form of sabotage !
<OscarL>
then we get terrorists, and people wonder why :-P
<Anarchos>
OscarL the terrorist is my big corp...
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<OscarL>
I have a "communist" friend working for a bank. People end up in weird positions/places sometimes.
<Anarchos>
OscarL just a job to fill the fridge...
<OscarL>
no judgement, just an observation. Also... can't relate... haven't got a (working) fridge since ends of 2016 :-P
<OscarL>
k, latest ncurses6 didn't break my 64 bits install. always a plus! (testing on 32 bits, and finishing the PR... will have to wait after I wake up).
<phschafft>
latex on haiku, that sounds like BDSM.
<Begasus>
I'm not going to look up the meaning of that ... :P
<OscarL>
I'm too "vanilla" for latex. /me hugs lout instead :-P
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<OscarL>
+1
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<Begasus>
once dependency info is updated, I "could" be able to run some quick checks here on 64bit for 32bit without booting the other laptop :)
<Begasus>
at least for versy small projects :P
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<OscarL>
mmm, now I wonder if those ncurses patch.gz files are meant to be applied one after the other, they are "self-contained"/independent from each other.
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<OscarL>
in any case... not sure how to use two SOURCE_URI_2 to patch the first one, while also using PATCHES. Mmm.
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<Begasus>
OscarL, just run "hp -e"?
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<Begasus>
it will extract the patch for $sourceDir2
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<OscarL>
I mean... I first will need to to patch $sourceDir with the patch found in $sourceDir2. At that point, PATCHES should have been aleardy applied to sourceDir, no?
<Begasus>
yep, that probably wont work
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<Begasus>
but can't tell without having a look :P
<Begasus>
or how your setup is for this, where is this sourceDir2 comming from?
<Begasus>
OscarL, good luck on that one, just a quick look makes me go wild :)
<OscarL>
I will just add a comment on my PR, explaing the situation, and what options *I* am willing to use.
<OscarL>
others can do that crazy gentoo loop if they want :-D
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<Begasus>
not me :P
<OscarL>
all of this because the Python recipes REQUIRE libncurses, when I've noticed that they actually link to libncursesw (notice the final "w").
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<Begasus>
yeah, seen those before :)
<OscarL>
just in case, this is what I have working (ncurses-6.4-20240330): https://bpa.st/GKSQ
<Begasus>
ok, now it's my fault? :P
<Begasus>
jk ;)
<Begasus>
too late to tackle/check that ;)
<OscarL>
:-D, nah... just claryfing that you offered a solution, one that I just declined :-P
<Begasus>
link me again tomorrow (or if the link is still up I'll grab it then)
<OscarL>
link should be up for a week.
<Begasus>
and with reason ;)
<Begasus>
I know, sometimes I just delete them if not valid important enough to keep around
<OscarL>
the one with my "diff for .hpkg", I set it to last a month, just in case.
<Begasus>
guess we both had a hard day today ;)
<OscarL>
I should probably just log off now :-)
<Begasus>
that I saved in a file, but nothing done with so far
<Begasus>
yeah same here
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<OscarL>
seems so, heh. Later Begasus!
<Begasus>
have a good sleep!
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<OscarL>
thanks, be well!
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<Begasus>
me needs to poke around in assimp tomorrow some more, got email on new version release :)
<Begasus>
now closing down, cu peeps!
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<Anarchos>
Begasus[m] i prefer : "nohup rm -rf / 2>&1 > /dev/null &" no log no control anymore and continue even if you rage quit the terminal :)
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<zeldakatze[m]>
<Begasus> "ps, haven't looked at "building..." <- I need php, mysql and nginx for a project I'm working on so I stumbled around that. I might look at porting mariadb at some point
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* Anarchos
abandoned some PR not needed or too hard for me. some cleaning never hurt !
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<Anarchos>
waddlesplash i finally managed to understand my execve issue
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<coolcoder613_32>
Good morning
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