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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
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<erysdren> moin moin
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<Begasus> Hi erysdren
<erysdren> hows it going?
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] augiedoggie pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/32aada3ec83f...c633bb3b1858
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] augiedoggie c633bb3 - meson_python: add summary
<Begasus> fine here, thanks for asking
<Begasus> how is it going over there?
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<erysdren> pretty good, 2am and im just coding as per usuak
<erysdren> usual
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<Begasus> heh
<Begasus> k, got this up and running :) https://0x0.st/XHDM.2.png
<erysdren> nice :D
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<Calisto> Hi
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<Begasus> Hi Calisto
<Calisto> Heyyy
<Calisto> finally got back home a few days to finally start working on my project.. I just had a small doubt to be honest. I wanted to create a divider in a BMenu. Is there any specific BMenuItem that I should look into. For now, I have just created one whose content is "-------------------------" and set its enabled status to false
<Calisto> is there any other way to do it?
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<Begasus> no clue here ;) but maybe someone can asnwer that
<Calisto> oh okay :)
<Calisto> hopefully someone answers :D
<Calisto> For now I'll go ahead with the dashed thing
<Calisto> since I can change it later on
<Calisto> btw I think I had asked long ago whether it was possible to download packages of Haiku from some repo online?
<Calisto> i installed Haiku on a spare laptop at home
<Calisto> but I don't think the wifi adapter is recognized by Haiku
<Calisto> so as of now, I don't have an internet connection on it. For that reason, I am unable to install Genio/Paladin/vim
<Calisto> so is there any other way that I can get these packages downloaded from another laptop and load them onto a usb for installation in haiku?
<Begasus> tried the depot website?
<Begasus> mind you it wont install if dependencies are missing and you don't have a network connection :)
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<Calisto> yah :(
<Calisto> okay i just checked out the website and downloaded the hpkg file
<Calisto> for genio
<Calisto> i guess ill also have to dwonload all of its dependencies?
<Begasus> let's see what it requires ...
<dovsienko> Calisto: splash $5-10 on a RTL8188EUS USB adapter or you the wired connection, and you will not complicate things for yourself unnecessarily
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<Calisto> yup thats what im planning to do
<Calisto> easier to do that than to download all these packages xD
<Calisto> plus Im thinking of keeping the spare laptop as a haiku only laptop
<Calisto> right now it is on a triple boot with haiku installed as well
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<Begasus> still thinking about dual booting the other laptop with some KDE install
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<Begasus> but not looking forward on setting that up with EFI :P
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<Begasus> works nice exporting the map for gpxsee :) https://0x0.st/XHDY.png
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<Begasus[m]> Bruxelles-Central
<Begasus> nother there :P
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<Calisto> Begasus I think I found the perfect one
<Calisto> finally xD
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<Begasus> nice Calisto! :D
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [hrev57717] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=9f3bdf3d0394+%5E0128458ef2f4
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 9f3bdf3d0394 - rc: migrate documentation to Haiku internals pages
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<zard> Nice. Now the docs for rc should appear when searching the web :)
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<CalistoMathias> Heyyyy
<nosycat> Hello!
<CalistoMathias> heyyy there :)
<nosycat> How are you?
<CalistoMathias> im great :D
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<CalistoMathias> how are you?
<nosycat> Not bad either.
<CalistoMathias> that's great
<CalistoMathias> Btw I had 2 questions xD (as usual)... one related to my project and one kinda unrelated but something that I'm curious about
<CalistoMathias> is it okay if i ask it rn?
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<nosycat> Sure! Ask away and stick around.
<CalistoMathias> well related to my project... I just wanted to know if there were any applications that were making use of custom Columns in BColumnListViews
<CalistoMathias> I'm currently trying to lay out the user interface for a proposed next-gen tracker find window
<nosycat> Beats me, sorry. Let's wait for someone who knows the native API.
<CalistoMathias> oh okay
<CalistoMathias> and apart from this one
<CalistoMathias> is there any application for Haiku that performs encryption and decryption of files?
<CalistoMathias> I was actually learning how AES-128 works and working through it for a side project... I just wanted to know whether there was an application on the OS so that I could go through some of its source code to see how things are done here
<CalistoMathias> If there is one, I'd really love to have a pointer to it :D
<nosycat> I haven't looked for one.
<CalistoMathias> oh okay
<CalistoMathias> if you do find one on the depot in the future, do let me know :)
<CalistoMathias> I was actually trying to write an AES-128 decryptor so I just wanted to compare some of my code to one that's available on an Open source Operating system
<augiedoggie> systemmanager has some custom columns https://github.com/X547/HaikuUtils/blob/master/SystemManager/UIUtils.cpp
<CalistoMathias> ohhh... that's great.. thanks a lot @augiedoggie
<CalistoMathias> I'll take a look at that
<CalistoMathias> also what would your advice be on learning custom drawing?
<CalistoMathias> It seems like something much harder than using the Interface Kit at the moment... so wanted to ask for some starting directions
<zard> Tip: AFAIK, the @ symbol doesn't have any special meaning. Just having a name alone (e.g. CalistoMathias) may suffice
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<zard> CalistoMathias: this syntax is the only syntax that is treated specially by my client (irssi)
<CalistoMathias> Ohhhh okay
<CalistoMathias> In the IRC chat that I use on my phone, it normally used to give me a list of names to select from if I typed out the @ so I guess I got used to that xD
<CalistoMathias> Thanks zard
<augiedoggie> i think i started learning about custom drawing from the "Programming the BeOS" book
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<zard> Hmm, then that may be somewhat correct as well. As you can tell, IRC isn't very standardised along that front :-)
<CalistoMathias> Oh okay
<CalistoMathias> I guess ill check that book out then augiedoggie
<augiedoggie> it's available for download on the Haiku website
<CalistoMathias> do you think its beneficial for me to read the entire book as of now?
<CalistoMathias> I do have spare time left till the official coding period starts if I get in
<CalistoMathias> though I am trying to finish the user interface section of my project a bit earlier on
<augiedoggie> i don't think it's required for your current task, but it has good information in it
<CalistoMathias> oh okay
<CalistoMathias> does it have any sort of flow for the chapters or can I directly pick off with the drawing chapters?
<augiedoggie> i don't remember, it's been a really long time since i've read it
<CalistoMathias> oh okay
<CalistoMathias> thanks anyways tho... this is going to be a great help
<CalistoMathias> of*
<CalistoMathias> im still kind of confused about how this all figures into creating a new column but I guess its better to have all the information rather than parts of it xD
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<enadasa[m]> I'm new to matrix are there any rules i should be aware of besides keep things civil?
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<Begasus> I don't think rules change for which client you use to connect (just my 2 cents) :)
<Begasus> bias
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<enadasa[m]> Ah I see. Not quite sure i understand. Isnt this a matrix chat?
<zard> There's a Matrix bridge. It's hosted on IRC though
* zard is on IRC
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<x512[m]> It is originally IRC chat, but also supports XMPP, BeShare, Matrix.
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<Begasus[m]> Yep, right here too :)
<zard> enadasa[m]: I'm curious. Does your name show up as endasa[m] or endasa on Matrix?
<zard> Shows up as endasa[m] on IRC, but I suspect it might be different there
<enadasa[m]> thats weird lol my matrix username is enadasa
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<x512[m]> There are no "[m]" in user name when using Matrix.
<zard> The chat from my perspective: https://oftc.irclog.whitequark.org/haiku/2024-04-29
<zard> Nice :-)
<enadasa[m]> Haiku has an irc client built in right?
<zard> Yep, it's called Vision :)
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<enadasa[m]> is it possible to log into this account through it?
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<zard> No. You would have to make a separate account. Or else you can connect without an account
<enadasa[m]> Ah
<zard> Once connected, run "/nick endasa", and you should have your name
<enadasa[m]> Ah
<zard> Optionally, you can register that nickname so that only somebody with your password can use it. (This is what I meant when I said account)
<enadasa[m]> I'll just use matrix for now
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<zard> np :)
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<x512[m]> Various Matrix clients are ported to Haiku.
<enadasa[m]> Thanks for all the help tho
<enadasa[m]> On another note is this the right place to discuss the development api?
<zard> Yep, pretty much everything Haiku-related (and some off-topic) works
<Begasus> ah, that's how it works when you send a attatchemnt in the matrix (in IRC) :)
<Begasus> running NeoChat 24.04.2 here atm (together with Vision)
<Begasus> reminds me to check out 24.04.80 ...
<enadasa[m]> I'm trying to figure out which class controls text inside a window. Am a bit of a newbie in development.
<enadasa[m]> Planned on teaching myself python c++ etc since I have nothing better to do.
<Begasus> heh
<Begasus> nice plan enadasa[m] :)
<Begasus> aside from some #ifdef's I'm no good :)
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<zard> I'm alway somewhat surprised by that. Somehow you manage to know where to place the #ifdef, despite not knowing much about coding :-)
<zard> Ah wait, the compiler tells you the exact line, doesn't it? :-P
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<zard> enadasa[m]: You can use a BStringItem to put some text inside of a window
<zard> But it might be easier to start with a simple example application to get a feel for how things work
<enadasa[m]> Thanks, now I just gotta make sure the python binding is the same. Since im planning on using python first
<zard> I worked on the Python binding (Haiku-PyAPI) :D
<enadasa[m]> epic lol
<zard> It mostly works, but you'll probably eventually encounter some bugs (Tip: likely making a variable global can help)
<Begasus> zard, compiler or at runtime you'll find out :)
<zard> :)
<zard> We tried to make Haiku-PyAPI as similar to the C++ API as possible
<enadasa[m]> I just wanna take a moment to contemplate how much faster haiku is on a second gen i7 2600 than windows 11 on a 10th gen i7 10700k
<Begasus> or linking errors (most I've seen passing by)
<enadasa[m]> haiku wins every time
<Begasus> Current stat on the KDE applications (most moved to KF6/Qt6) :) https://0x0.st/XH5S.png
<zard> Nice. Dolphin, Konsole, Kate, Kwrite. A lot of the applications I use are there
<zard> Ha, no suprise, Spectacle, the screenshot app isn't there. Probably difficult to port
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<PetePete> sup sup sup
<zard> bye all!
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<PetePete> Wow... am I that repulsive?
<Begasus> not sure what the issue was/is with spectacle, think plasma related
<Begasus> Hi there PetePete
<PetePete> "Hey there, Begleg." -Hank
<Begasus> a few new dependencies for newer neochat
<PetePete> I was thinking maybe we should change the name of this project to "PetePete"
<PetePete> Has a nice ring to it
<Begasus[m]> Too common :P
<PetePete> You're right.
<PetePete> It needs more panache!
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<PetePete> How about "The OS formerly known as Haiku"?
<PetePete> And we'll just give it a symbol for a name instead... or better yet!!! a FRAGRANCE!
<PetePete> It will be known as *pulls out a scented stick*
<PetePete> Think of all the time we'll save by not having to type out Haiku
<Begasus> one of those "I know this" errors :) /sources/neochat-v24.04.80/src/windowcontroller.cpp:11:10: fatal error: KStartupInfo: No such file or directory
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<Begasus[m]> K, NeoChat 24.04.80 up and running :D
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<Saijin_Naib[m]> Anyone know of a way to zero-fill free space within HaikuOS?
<Saijin_Naib[m]> I did a hacky workaround to make my HaikuOS VM and now I would like to sparsify the disk image
<Begasus> a translator app would be nice now (wonders what sparisify means)
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<Saijin_Naib[m]> Oh, sorry. I speak English natively and Spanish conversationally. Do we have any overlap?
<Begasus[m]> Native is Dutch here, so English will do :)
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<Saijin_Naib[m]> By writing zeros to all the empty space, I can sparsify my disk image
<Begasus[m]> ah, not sure if that is possible, but I'm not the dev here :)
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<Begasus> done for today, cu peeps!
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<Saijin_Naib[m]> Ahh, yeah. I'm trying to get familiar with Haiku tooling to find something like Windows sdelete or Linux secure-delete
<Saijin_Naib[m]> * Linux secure-delete or zerofree
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<dovsienko> https://github.com/berke/wipe may work
<Saijin_Naib[m]> Mmm, I'll check Haikuports when I am back at my VM, thanks!
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<enadasa[m]> So I have a question for anyone who has experience with the haiku pyapi a bit of code has confused me
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<enadasa[m]> This bit of code is used at the end of the example hello world program and i have no idea what its purpose is.
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<enadasa[m]> i figured out what the code does by commenting it out to see what happens
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<enadasa[m]> Thanks
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<PetePete> why is everything on git nowadays?
<PetePete> "I think I'll download Firefox" *firefox github page*
<PetePete> "Be nice if I had an irc client. I like irssi" *typing* GITHUB AGAINNN
<moparisthebest> PetePete: git is not GitHub
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