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<dovsienko> augiedoggie: it does not if I right-click on text
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] augiedoggie pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/522f32b55611...d3f084384286
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] augiedoggie d3f0843 - ale: link libale against libshared (#10202)
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
<PriyanshuGupta[m]> morning Begasus 🖐️
<Begasus> Hi there PriyanshuGupta[m]
<PriyanshuGupta[m]> hello
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<Begasus> moin nephele
<nephele> hoi Begasus
<Begasus> up early :)
<nephele> somewhat yeah
<nephele> someone posted a tiny bug for the gllife screensaver, want to fix that :)
<Begasus> +1 :)
<nephele> Huh... not sure what happened. I just "git pull"-ed and now i see thousands of revision tags beeing downloaded
<nephele> I think it was a shallow clone, but this is really taking a long time
<nephele> "Successfully rebased and updated refs/heads/master."
<nephele> uhhh
<Begasus> maybe you were still in a branch?
<Begasus> k, solution from upstream rizin doesn't work for the detection in cutter :/
<PulkoMandy> nephele: Git pull is a bad idea. I use git fetch to do just the download and not move your current branch, and then decide what to do with all the new commits
<nephele> PulkoMandy: as in git fetch and then checkout master or so?
<PulkoMandy> Yes, somehing like that
<nephele> newLabel.SetToFormat(B_TRANSLATE_CONTEXT("Grid life delay: " "%" B_PRId32 "x", "This is a factor: the x represents 'times', " "don't translate '%" B_PRId32"'"), delay);
<PulkoMandy> Usually git fetch + git rebase origin/master because I always have a stack of work in progress changes locally
<nephele> user complained this is not translated, but i don't see anything wrong with that line (it could use the unicode multiplication x instead but eh)
<nephele> Ah okay. I have git configured to always rebase on pulling
<PulkoMandy> Yes, I see nothing wrong here
<PulkoMandy> Did the translator take the "do not translate" too litterally?
<nephele> no, it seems to appear in the catkey file
<PriyanshuGupta[m]> hello all
<PriyanshuGupta[m]> PulkoMandy my availability is a little less in the upcoming week i have my examination in the coming week so after a few days i will start working again on working on my proposal until i will seek suggestions from others too
<PulkoMandy> I will be mostly away from keyboard most of next week as well
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<Begasus> f*** even fails with bundled rizin :/
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] autocommitter pushed 1 commit to master [hrev57634] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=993468cc20b4+%5E142723d1970b
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 993468cc20b4 - Update translations from Pootle
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<bitigchi[m]> <PulkoMandy> "I will be mostly away from..." <- When you have a moment could you have a look at the i18n PR's? I really would like to move on, feels like stuck there 😅
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<nephele> please don't use the matrix reply feature in irc bridged rooms
<phschafft> good morning.
<Begasus> Hello phschafft
<Begasus> so done with rizin atm ... just gonna package as I've done so before ...
<phschafft> :)
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/d3f084384286...4fe30f9a3832
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 4fe30f9 - rizin, bump version (#10203)
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<Begasus> I don't even know how many packages I've build, this is the only one (cutter/rizin) that doesn't play along nicely :P
* coolcoder613 waves
<Begasus> Hi coolcoder613
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/4fe30f9a3832...f140986df5e2
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus f140986 - cutter, bump version (#10204)
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<gordonjcp> morning
<gordonjcp> I've finally got time to play with Haiku again :-)
<gordonjcp> I wonder if I'm missing a fonts package though, I installed Web and everything comes up in fixed-width font
<phschafft> hm.
<gordonjcp> is Web the most "up to date" browser just now?
<nephele> You mean "Web" as in gnome web? then no. It's a port of a foreign browser to haiku on a wayland compat layer that basically does not use our drawing code
<gordonjcp> well, the port of Epiphany browser
<gordonjcp> so which is the most up-to-date and functional web browser, then?
<nephele> ... what is your actuall question? up-to-date doesn't tell you anything
<gordonjcp> nephele: okay
<gordonjcp> nephele: which is the browser that is most likely to display websites correctly, at the moment, in Haiku?
<nephele> That's still too vague. Correctly is a matter of interpretation for some specs. It depends on what you want
<nephele> For pretty much all Websites WebPositive is the prefered one, if you need webgl or something you can use Web.
<gordonjcp> okay, WebPositive seems really crashy
<nephele> then open tickets for crashes you encounter
<nephele> otherwise i will not fix them :)
<gordonjcp> righto
<gordonjcp> well, tell you what
<gordonjcp> I could point you at something that seems to reliably crash WebPositive for me
<gordonjcp> nephele: https://demo.netbox.dev/login/
<gordonjcp> nephele: if you attempt to log into that, it will not display the menu at the side
<gordonjcp> nephele: and if you go to edit something that has a choices dropdown, then about 50% of the time WebPositive will lock up
<gordonjcp> I haven't been able to determine *exactly* the circumstances that cause it to lock up
<gordonjcp> if you load this in Web, it actually does diplay the correct fonts, and the sidebar does work
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<nephele> again. open a ticket
<waddlesplash> gordonjcp: Falkon is probably the best at the moment. Web/Epiphany works better once you manually change the default fonts.
<nephele> (also, i don't have an account for whatever that site is)
<waddlesplash> nephele: there's nothing wrong with diagnosing issues on IRC before opening tickets.
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<nephele> waddlesplash: what's up with you? I asked for a ticket beforehand, not to diagnose anything now. I'm not working on webpositive right at this very momemt, do you expect me to drop everything to do this *now*?
<PriyanshuGupta[m]> s/working on//
<gordonjcp> nephele: yeah, it's a demo site, you just make up a throwaway username and password
<gordonjcp> nephele: I'd give you an account on my real one, but you know, DPA and all that
<nephele> gordonjcp: ah okay, a demo site is fine
<gordonjcp> also, sorry if this has caused a stooshie ;-)
<gordonjcp> I just wanted to make sure I wasn't doing something obviously incorrect before firing in a bug report
<gordonjcp> I'll look into it later, the rain is off so I'm going out to throw my toddler in the mud :-D
<waddlesplash> nephele: I mean, my general practice is that if I have time to reply to IRC I have time to spend 30 seconds looking at a crash report and determine wether the issue would just be a duplicate and avoid opening a new ticket
<nephele> walkingdisaster: So? your irc habbits don't influence mine. If i was in the mindset to debug this right now I would not have asked for a ticket. duplicates are cheap, there is nothing wrong with opening them
<nephele> I triage new bugs *anyway* regardless of wether they are a duplicate or not
<nephele> err waddlesplash, not walkingdisaster. tab completion failed me
<waddlesplash> opening a ticket and writing things up, then having someone else come along and triage it, are more work than determining it's a dupe before it's even opened. saves both you and the other person time, I just try to avoid wasting people's time, that's all
<nephele> starting an argument over me asking someone to open a ticket is wasting my time. Unless your critzism was literally "Investigate this now!"
<waddlesplash> there's gradations between "investigate this now" and "investigate it later", was my point, that's all. I didn't intend for this to be a drawn out argument
<nephele> Yes there is, and me asking for a ticket puts it in the investigate it later camp. I do help users triage stuff directly too. But in some cases (especially for webkit) I really prefer tickets
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<nosycat> Hey, Begasus!
<Begasus> Hey nosycat
<Begasus> fighting with Manjaro installer ;)
<nosycat> Good luck!
<Begasus> If the system doesn't overheat ... :)
<Begasus> The Windows on that laptop was broken for some time, looking to see to make it a dualboot with Haiku
<Begasus> And wanted to have something Arch related
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<nosycat> Haiku's BootManager can handle a Linux too, right?
<Begasus> it should (I hope) using MBR as I want to use 32bit still on that one
<nosycat> I have a spare partition on this machine. Been tempted.
<Begasus> Yeah, same here, alost 400GiB not used ;)
<nosycat> Gonna have to reinstall Debian soon anyway. But I'd never boot the other OS in practice.
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<nephele> nosycat: depends on what you are using to boot linux
<nephele> is you use something like LILO then probably yes
<Begasus> This one is mostly Haiku only, booting into Windows quite rare
<nephele> grub2... ehhh, difficult
<nosycat> Ah, never mind then. Thanks.
<nephele> if you have efi then use refind :D
<nosycat> Nah, thankfully this is a BIOS machine.
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<Begasus> linux header 6.5.* ... remember when we were exited to see version 3 being released :D
<nosycat> Vaguely. Time flies.
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<Begasus> k, reboot to Haiku here (did a kubuntu in vm install)
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<Begasus> re
<nosycat> Welcome back!
<Begasus> Thanks :)
<Begasus> Manjaro up and running (and updating) :D
<nosycat> Woo!
<Begasus> Thanks to Haiku's bootmanager :D
<nosycat> Good little program.
<Begasus> and good old BIOS/MBR ;)
<Begasus> nosycat, on the install part, I installed Manjaro's bootmanager to the boot partition, not MBR
<Begasus> should work for any Linux distro I think
<nosycat> Yep. I dread moving to EFI when this machine grows old.
<nosycat> Thanks for the tip!
<Begasus> This one uses EFI, was glad enough to got that setup
<nosycat> I have newer machines, and older machine, but no room to set one up anyway.
<nosycat> Got one that would be perfect for Haiku.
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<Begasus> k, Manjaro is fine now, can't boot Haiku yet (can't find boot device*) :)
<nosycat> Ah.
<nosycat> It seems to happen sometimes.
<Begasus> yeah, will get that figured out
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<Begasus> must say, not that much fun as in Haiku, nothing really to work on there :P
<nosycat> :D
<Begasus> biab
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<gordonjcp> nosycat: I'm dual-booting Ubuntu 22.04 and Haiku using EFI, it's fine
<gordonjcp> nosycat: minor minor amount of faffing to get it working
<gordonjcp> nosycat: the documentation isn't the clearest, I'll say that - if only someone who has recently done it could supply some clarification ;-)
<gordonjcp> Begasus: oldest version of Linux I have kicking about is 0.9~something, the base system was on two floppies but I had the full-fat version that came on six and included a C compiler
<nosycat> :O
<gordonjcp> I should try and find that, stick it online somewhere
<Habbie> i still have some notes from when i installed haiku a year ago, about improving the docs
<Habbie> i should PR those
<Habbie> i ended up adding reFind
<gordonjcp> isn't that a Mac thing?
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<exoflux> I am using a live-haiku from USB. I marked a selection in ShowImage. Now I habe a selection in Clipboard. Does this live-version allow me to use the content of the clip board in another Application?
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<Begasus> re
<nosycat> o/
<Begasus> gordonjcp, first linux here was RH5.1, should have a look at the box what version it had :)
<Begasus> forgot this annoying pswd thingy :P
<nosycat> For me it was RH6 I think, in September 2000.
<Begasus> First funtional one was SuSE6.1 I think, the RH gave me too much headaches :)
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<Begasus> think I installed to the wrong partition earlier ;)
<nosycat> Ugh. Good thing you didn't have data to keep.
<Begasus> that was the external disk with the 64bit partition :D (hardly used now)
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<Begasus> checking ..
<Begasus> and up and running ! :D
<Begasus> dual boot ... check :D
<nosycat> Congrats!
<scanty> Hi Begasus
<Begasus> Hi scanty
<scanty> any news on Kontact?
<Begasus> still fighting with the same issues scanty :/
<scanty> understood... what errors are you encountering>?
<Begasus> atm akonadi doesn't close down properly when kmail closes down, and I can't get kmail to funtion (could be me there though)
<scanty> I see...
<scanty> I'm going to look around and see if there's a way around oauth2
<scanty> if i have a good mail client, i can do everyhting i want on haiku except for pay bills
<Begasus> and on launch akonadi launches several parts in the background, for things to work/build more libraries etc are needed that aren't in the depot
<scanty> ah, lots of Qt stuff?
<Begasus> scanty, used my bank account to make a payment in Haiku last week, wanted to see if that worked :)
<Begasus> nah, mostly KDE things
<Begasus> a seperate package for the akonadi resources etc
<scanty> hrm maybe it will work for me, too. which browser did you use?
<Begasus> Falkon
<scanty> kde is a giant
<Begasus> +80 MiB for 132 frameworks here, not all needed :)
<Begasus> so in size it's not "that" big
<scanty> oh that's not too bad
<scanty> i thought it was much worse!
<Begasus> and those include the devel packages
<Begasus> hmm ... that was for the KF6 packages :D
<Begasus> almost 60MiB for the installed KF5 ones
<Begasus> the Qt5 part is larger ;)
<scanty> ah, still not bad.... space is cheap
<Begasus> yeah
<Begasus> other laptop, 150GiB for Haiku, almost 300GiB for working on packages
<scanty> cool
<nosycat> Can't wait to run Haiku in more than 4GB of storage.
<Begasus> that can be tight fit if you want to checkout different apps
<Begasus> be sure to clean the administrative folders once in a while :)
<scanty> i have haiku on a 1 TB drive.
<scanty> i think i'll be good on space for a long time :-)
<Begasus> that's plenty :D
<Begasus> depending on the HW maybe you could even setup dualboot 32bit/64bit
<scanty> i don't really need 32-bit for anything anyway, and if i do, i'll just set it up in a vm
<nosycat> It is tight, and I clean up carefully, thank you.
<Begasus> :)
<nosycat> Still got more than half the drive free. Somehow.
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<gordonjcp> I should have given myself more than 60GB for Haiku, really
<gordonjcp> I need to wipe this 500GB SSD and repartition it, I set up Linux in about 160GB
<gordonjcp> the rest is empty, and I ended up filling it with video, just copies of camera cards
<nosycat> :D
<jmairboeck> Begasus: akonadi is a service that is intended to be running in the background, so not terminating when KMail is exited is kind of expected. The native mail_daemon is quite similar, it also runs in the background.
<scanty> hmm can't get on pandora with Falkon
<jmairboeck> Begasus: to stop akonadi, you can normally use "akonadictl stop"
* exoflux uses a live-haiku from USB...
<Begasus> jmairboeck, yeah there are some commands to be used for akonadi, haven't fully looked into them
<Begasus> but the one you mentioned I already did
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<Begasus> also connection to gpg/wallet is an issue
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<Begasus> maybe should rebuild kwalletmanager ;)
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<Begasus> dbus-launch is normaly done by kmail here
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<nosycat> What machine? Mine's an EeePC 701.
<scanty> hm, not one of the 38 browsers we have on Haiku can login to Pandora :-(
* exoflux has a thin client called IGEL
<scanty> on beta 4, may work on a nightly though
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* exoflux has two of those. The other one has other issues, though...
* exoflux marked a selection in ShowImage.
<Begasus> 38? whoot, missed a few there to check out scanty :P
<scanty> hehe
* exoflux has a selection in Clipboard.
<Begasus> only WebPositive and Falkon here
<scanty> i have both of those, plus Web, and Otter
<Begasus> exoflux, you can drag it to the Desktop or any Tracker window
* exoflux likes to use the content of the clip board in another Application.
<scanty> can't login to pandora on any of those browsers
<exoflux> ah, ...
<Begasus> well, searching for pandora doesn't get me far :D
<scanty> pandora.com
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<Begasus> lol ... Pandora isn't available in this country right now...
* exoflux happy with haiku.
<nosycat> :)
<exoflux> Thank You. Haiku is fun
<scanty> Begasus: lols!
<Begasus> should have cleaned my build directories before putting the backup on metal again :)
<scanty> Begasus, have you been able to compile KMail?
<scanty> i think i may have found a way to turn of oauth2
<scanty> turn off*
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<Begasus> yes scanty, a while back already
<scanty> where can I get a copy?
<Begasus> on my disk? ;)
<scanty> haha, I don't think I have access to your disk ^_^
<scanty> can you e-mail me a copy or something?
<Begasus> I'll see what I can setup in the next days, don't expect anything major though :)
<Begasus> food, bbl
<scanty> ok, i'll annoy you in a few days
<scanty> build instructions would work, too
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<Begasus> re
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<Begasus> building is easy scanty, if the other packages are installed it's just a matter of using cmake :)
<Begasus> disable doctools/X11 ...
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<Begasus> k, closing down here, cu peeps!
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<toydragon-haiku> haldo!
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<toydragon-haiku> Coming to you live from haiku on a thinkpad t480 :)
<toydragon-haiku> impressed with how well things work for the most part
<gordonjcp> toydragon-haiku: yay
<toydragon-haiku> tad frustrated with some wifi related stuff
<toydragon-haiku> will need to get a network cable routed over for the lappy
<gordonjcp> toydragon-haiku: I've just rebooted into Linux because the Chinese takeaway's webshite doesn't play nice with WebPositive :-)
<gordonjcp> but, I'm on a T430, it works pretty well
<toydragon-haiku> in haiku, experiencing a ton of packet loss that doesn't happen in linux on wifi
<toydragon-haiku> makes installing packages take a lot of reattempts
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<B2IA> (nqn) intel idualwifi in my t460 and yoga 15 is a curse
<B2IA> (nqn) T430s works great
<gordonjcp> my T430 has the 6205, it's pretty bombproof
<gordonjcp> there, now I'm in Haiku
<gordonjcp> a bawhair under a minute to shut down, and reboot into Haiku
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<gordonjcp> about the only wifi annoyance I have is that it doesn't automatically select my wifi, I need to go to Network every time and pick it even though it says it should connect automatically
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<gordonjcp> other than that
<gordonjcp> mmu_man: hello
<gordonjcp> toydragon-haiku: I would say though that generally oldish Lenovo stuff is the bomb for testing more leftfield OSes
<mmu_man> plop
<gordonjcp> toydragon-haiku: I have had one of my T440s - literally pulled out of a skip at work - quad-booting
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<gordonjcp> bunch of partitions, variously containing Ubuntu, Haiku, OpenIndiana and NetBSD
<gordonjcp> ... I don't like to think people could easily dig around on my laptop, without me present
<gordonjcp> if they can, if they are sufficiently weird enough to understand all those, then they probably are okay
<B2IA> (nqn) Disk Enryption is one of the missing haiku features ...
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<gordonjcp> I'm not really fussed about disk encryption
<gordonjcp> disks are too slow already without adding that in
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Midar pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/f140986df5e2...447acf01ff93
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Midar 447acf0 - objfw: Update to 1.0.11
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<HaikuUser> Brazil na area ?
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<coolcoder613_32> In file included from ../../../common.h:20,
<coolcoder613_32> from ../../../libqb.cpp:1:
<coolcoder613_32> ../../../os.h:69:23: error: conflicting declaration 'typedef __haiku_int32 int32_t'
<coolcoder613_32> 69 | #define int32 int32_t
<coolcoder613_32> | ^~~~~~~
<coolcoder613_32> In file included from ../../../os.h:34:
<coolcoder613_32> /boot/system/develop/headers/posix/stdint.h:19:33: note: previous declaration as 'typedef __haiku_std_int32 int32_t'
<coolcoder613_32> 19 | typedef __haiku_std_int32 int32_t;
<coolcoder613_32> | ^~~~~~~
<coolcoder613_32> ../../../os.h:73:24: error: conflicting declaration 'typedef __haiku_uint32 uint32_t'
<coolcoder613_32> 73 | #define uint32 uint32_t
<coolcoder613_32> /boot/system/develop/headers/posix/stdint.h:20:33: note: previous declaration as 'typedef __haiku_std_uint32 uint32_t'
<coolcoder613_32> | ^~~~~~~~
<coolcoder613_32> 20 | typedef __haiku_std_uint32 uint32_t;
<coolcoder613_32> | ^~~~~~~~
<coolcoder613_32> Does anyone know what is happening here?
<augiedoggie> you're spamming the channel, that's what's happening :P
<coolcoder613_32> sorry
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<augiedoggie> something is trying to redefine int32 and uint32 but Haiku already provides those
<BrunoSpr> hi all
<toydragon-haiku> fwah, 34.8% packet loss ;-;
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<toydragon-haiku> Can't wait to get that network cable
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<coolcoder613_32> Hi zard
<zard> Hello coolcoder613_32 :)
<zard> You're up early... I think
<coolcoder613_32> 10:45 AM?
<zard> Ah, looks like not
<toydragon-haiku> hmmm.
<zard> Ok, so you're usually on one hour after I leave
<zard> Hello toydragon-haiku :)
<toydragon-haiku> hi zard!
<coolcoder613_32> I booted up my very first Haiku install today
<toydragon-haiku> nice!
<coolcoder613_32> kernel from sep 2023
<coolcoder613_32> updating it now
<toydragon-haiku> I did my first baremetal install last nite :D
* zard still only uses qemu
<coolcoder613_32> cmon.. Why?
<zard> Don't want to dual-boot with Linux
<coolcoder613_32> Why not?
<toydragon-haiku> I think I'm gonna have to make a script -- or a one liner if i can wranlge it -- to handle installing stuff for me until i get this cable lol
<zard> Doubt I could use Haiku as a daily driver
<coolcoder613_32> What's missing for you?
<zard> Well, for one, I like my tiling window manager
<zard> What else? Let's see...
<coolcoder613_32> Ever tried Haiku's stack & tile?
<zard> A program? or the default behavior?
<coolcoder613_32> default
<zard> Ah, yes indeed. It's useful sometimes
<zard> Another, osu! (a game) is not available. Minetest doesn't run very fast on it either
<coolcoder613_32> That's what dual boot is for, no?
<coolcoder613_32> Also, you only have one computer?
<zard> No, don't have just one. So perhaps someday in the future I might make one run Haiku baremetal
<zard> My tiling window manager let's me keep practically all of the programs I use throught the day open all the time
<zard> I have enough memory, nor does it get messy
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<zard> So, effectively, qemu gives me zero second "restarts" into Haiku ;)
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<coolcoder613_32> I have six computers, three of which run Haiku