<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] augiedoggie d3f0843 - ale: link libale against libshared (#10202)
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<Begasus>
g'morning peeps
<PriyanshuGupta[m]>
morning Begasus 🖐️
<Begasus>
Hi there PriyanshuGupta[m]
<PriyanshuGupta[m]>
hello
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<Begasus>
moin nephele
<nephele>
hoi Begasus
<Begasus>
up early :)
<nephele>
somewhat yeah
<nephele>
someone posted a tiny bug for the gllife screensaver, want to fix that :)
<Begasus>
+1 :)
<nephele>
Huh... not sure what happened. I just "git pull"-ed and now i see thousands of revision tags beeing downloaded
<nephele>
I think it was a shallow clone, but this is really taking a long time
<nephele>
"Successfully rebased and updated refs/heads/master."
<nephele>
uhhh
<Begasus>
maybe you were still in a branch?
<Begasus>
k, solution from upstream rizin doesn't work for the detection in cutter :/
<PulkoMandy>
nephele: Git pull is a bad idea. I use git fetch to do just the download and not move your current branch, and then decide what to do with all the new commits
<nephele>
PulkoMandy: as in git fetch and then checkout master or so?
<PulkoMandy>
Yes, somehing like that
<nephele>
newLabel.SetToFormat(B_TRANSLATE_CONTEXT("Grid life delay: " "%" B_PRId32 "x", "This is a factor: the x represents 'times', " "don't translate '%" B_PRId32"'"), delay);
<PulkoMandy>
Usually git fetch + git rebase origin/master because I always have a stack of work in progress changes locally
<nephele>
user complained this is not translated, but i don't see anything wrong with that line (it could use the unicode multiplication x instead but eh)
<nephele>
Ah okay. I have git configured to always rebase on pulling
<PulkoMandy>
Yes, I see nothing wrong here
<PulkoMandy>
Did the translator take the "do not translate" too litterally?
<nephele>
no, it seems to appear in the catkey file
<PriyanshuGupta[m]>
PulkoMandy my availability is a little less in the upcoming week i have my examination in the coming week so after a few days i will start working again on working on my proposal until i will seek suggestions from others too
<PulkoMandy>
I will be mostly away from keyboard most of next week as well
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 993468cc20b4 - Update translations from Pootle
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<bitigchi[m]>
<PulkoMandy> "I will be mostly away from..." <- When you have a moment could you have a look at the i18n PR's? I really would like to move on, feels like stuck there 😅
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<nephele>
please don't use the matrix reply feature in irc bridged rooms
<phschafft>
good morning.
<Begasus>
Hello phschafft
<Begasus>
so done with rizin atm ... just gonna package as I've done so before ...
<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus f140986 - cutter, bump version (#10204)
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<gordonjcp>
morning
<gordonjcp>
I've finally got time to play with Haiku again :-)
<gordonjcp>
I wonder if I'm missing a fonts package though, I installed Web and everything comes up in fixed-width font
<phschafft>
hm.
<gordonjcp>
is Web the most "up to date" browser just now?
<nephele>
You mean "Web" as in gnome web? then no. It's a port of a foreign browser to haiku on a wayland compat layer that basically does not use our drawing code
<gordonjcp>
well, the port of Epiphany browser
<gordonjcp>
so which is the most up-to-date and functional web browser, then?
<nephele>
... what is your actuall question? up-to-date doesn't tell you anything
<gordonjcp>
nephele: okay
<gordonjcp>
nephele: which is the browser that is most likely to display websites correctly, at the moment, in Haiku?
<nephele>
That's still too vague. Correctly is a matter of interpretation for some specs. It depends on what you want
<nephele>
For pretty much all Websites WebPositive is the prefered one, if you need webgl or something you can use Web.
<gordonjcp>
okay, WebPositive seems really crashy
<nephele>
then open tickets for crashes you encounter
<nephele>
otherwise i will not fix them :)
<gordonjcp>
righto
<gordonjcp>
well, tell you what
<gordonjcp>
I could point you at something that seems to reliably crash WebPositive for me
<gordonjcp>
nephele: if you attempt to log into that, it will not display the menu at the side
<gordonjcp>
nephele: and if you go to edit something that has a choices dropdown, then about 50% of the time WebPositive will lock up
<gordonjcp>
I haven't been able to determine *exactly* the circumstances that cause it to lock up
<gordonjcp>
if you load this in Web, it actually does diplay the correct fonts, and the sidebar does work
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<nephele>
again. open a ticket
<waddlesplash>
gordonjcp: Falkon is probably the best at the moment. Web/Epiphany works better once you manually change the default fonts.
<nephele>
(also, i don't have an account for whatever that site is)
<waddlesplash>
nephele: there's nothing wrong with diagnosing issues on IRC before opening tickets.
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<nephele>
waddlesplash: what's up with you? I asked for a ticket beforehand, not to diagnose anything now. I'm not working on webpositive right at this very momemt, do you expect me to drop everything to do this *now*?
<PriyanshuGupta[m]>
s/working on//
<gordonjcp>
nephele: yeah, it's a demo site, you just make up a throwaway username and password
<gordonjcp>
nephele: I'd give you an account on my real one, but you know, DPA and all that
<nephele>
gordonjcp: ah okay, a demo site is fine
<gordonjcp>
also, sorry if this has caused a stooshie ;-)
<gordonjcp>
I just wanted to make sure I wasn't doing something obviously incorrect before firing in a bug report
<gordonjcp>
I'll look into it later, the rain is off so I'm going out to throw my toddler in the mud :-D
<waddlesplash>
nephele: I mean, my general practice is that if I have time to reply to IRC I have time to spend 30 seconds looking at a crash report and determine wether the issue would just be a duplicate and avoid opening a new ticket
<nephele>
walkingdisaster: So? your irc habbits don't influence mine. If i was in the mindset to debug this right now I would not have asked for a ticket. duplicates are cheap, there is nothing wrong with opening them
<nephele>
I triage new bugs *anyway* regardless of wether they are a duplicate or not
<nephele>
err waddlesplash, not walkingdisaster. tab completion failed me
<waddlesplash>
opening a ticket and writing things up, then having someone else come along and triage it, are more work than determining it's a dupe before it's even opened. saves both you and the other person time, I just try to avoid wasting people's time, that's all
<nephele>
starting an argument over me asking someone to open a ticket is wasting my time. Unless your critzism was literally "Investigate this now!"
<waddlesplash>
there's gradations between "investigate this now" and "investigate it later", was my point, that's all. I didn't intend for this to be a drawn out argument
<nephele>
Yes there is, and me asking for a ticket puts it in the investigate it later camp. I do help users triage stuff directly too. But in some cases (especially for webkit) I really prefer tickets
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<nosycat>
Hey, Begasus!
<Begasus>
Hey nosycat
<Begasus>
fighting with Manjaro installer ;)
<nosycat>
Good luck!
<Begasus>
If the system doesn't overheat ... :)
<Begasus>
The Windows on that laptop was broken for some time, looking to see to make it a dualboot with Haiku
<Begasus>
And wanted to have something Arch related
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<nosycat>
Haiku's BootManager can handle a Linux too, right?
<Begasus>
it should (I hope) using MBR as I want to use 32bit still on that one
<nosycat>
I have a spare partition on this machine. Been tempted.
<Begasus>
Yeah, same here, alost 400GiB not used ;)
<nosycat>
Gonna have to reinstall Debian soon anyway. But I'd never boot the other OS in practice.
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<nephele>
nosycat: depends on what you are using to boot linux
<nephele>
is you use something like LILO then probably yes
<Begasus>
This one is mostly Haiku only, booting into Windows quite rare
<nephele>
grub2... ehhh, difficult
<nosycat>
Ah, never mind then. Thanks.
<nephele>
if you have efi then use refind :D
<nosycat>
Nah, thankfully this is a BIOS machine.
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<Begasus>
linux header 6.5.* ... remember when we were exited to see version 3 being released :D
<nosycat>
Vaguely. Time flies.
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<Begasus>
k, reboot to Haiku here (did a kubuntu in vm install)
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<Begasus>
re
<nosycat>
Welcome back!
<Begasus>
Thanks :)
<Begasus>
Manjaro up and running (and updating) :D
<nosycat>
Woo!
<Begasus>
Thanks to Haiku's bootmanager :D
<nosycat>
Good little program.
<Begasus>
and good old BIOS/MBR ;)
<Begasus>
nosycat, on the install part, I installed Manjaro's bootmanager to the boot partition, not MBR
<Begasus>
should work for any Linux distro I think
<nosycat>
Yep. I dread moving to EFI when this machine grows old.
<nosycat>
Thanks for the tip!
<Begasus>
This one uses EFI, was glad enough to got that setup
<nosycat>
I have newer machines, and older machine, but no room to set one up anyway.
<nosycat>
Got one that would be perfect for Haiku.
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<Begasus>
k, Manjaro is fine now, can't boot Haiku yet (can't find boot device*) :)
<nosycat>
Ah.
<nosycat>
It seems to happen sometimes.
<Begasus>
yeah, will get that figured out
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<Begasus>
must say, not that much fun as in Haiku, nothing really to work on there :P
<nosycat>
:D
<Begasus>
biab
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<gordonjcp>
nosycat: I'm dual-booting Ubuntu 22.04 and Haiku using EFI, it's fine
<gordonjcp>
nosycat: minor minor amount of faffing to get it working
<gordonjcp>
nosycat: the documentation isn't the clearest, I'll say that - if only someone who has recently done it could supply some clarification ;-)
<gordonjcp>
Begasus: oldest version of Linux I have kicking about is 0.9~something, the base system was on two floppies but I had the full-fat version that came on six and included a C compiler
<nosycat>
:O
<gordonjcp>
I should try and find that, stick it online somewhere
<Habbie>
i still have some notes from when i installed haiku a year ago, about improving the docs
<Habbie>
i should PR those
<Habbie>
i ended up adding reFind
<gordonjcp>
isn't that a Mac thing?
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<exoflux>
I am using a live-haiku from USB. I marked a selection in ShowImage. Now I habe a selection in Clipboard. Does this live-version allow me to use the content of the clip board in another Application?
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<Begasus>
re
<nosycat>
o/
<Begasus>
gordonjcp, first linux here was RH5.1, should have a look at the box what version it had :)
<Begasus>
forgot this annoying pswd thingy :P
<nosycat>
For me it was RH6 I think, in September 2000.
<Begasus>
First funtional one was SuSE6.1 I think, the RH gave me too much headaches :)
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<Begasus>
think I installed to the wrong partition earlier ;)
<nosycat>
Ugh. Good thing you didn't have data to keep.
<Begasus>
that was the external disk with the 64bit partition :D (hardly used now)
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<Begasus>
checking ..
<Begasus>
and up and running ! :D
<Begasus>
dual boot ... check :D
<nosycat>
Congrats!
<scanty>
Hi Begasus
<Begasus>
Hi scanty
<scanty>
any news on Kontact?
<Begasus>
still fighting with the same issues scanty :/
<scanty>
understood... what errors are you encountering>?
<Begasus>
atm akonadi doesn't close down properly when kmail closes down, and I can't get kmail to funtion (could be me there though)
<scanty>
I see...
<scanty>
I'm going to look around and see if there's a way around oauth2
<scanty>
if i have a good mail client, i can do everyhting i want on haiku except for pay bills
<Begasus>
and on launch akonadi launches several parts in the background, for things to work/build more libraries etc are needed that aren't in the depot
<scanty>
ah, lots of Qt stuff?
<Begasus>
scanty, used my bank account to make a payment in Haiku last week, wanted to see if that worked :)
<Begasus>
nah, mostly KDE things
<Begasus>
a seperate package for the akonadi resources etc
<scanty>
hrm maybe it will work for me, too. which browser did you use?
<Begasus>
Falkon
<scanty>
kde is a giant
<Begasus>
+80 MiB for 132 frameworks here, not all needed :)
<Begasus>
so in size it's not "that" big
<scanty>
oh that's not too bad
<scanty>
i thought it was much worse!
<Begasus>
and those include the devel packages
<Begasus>
hmm ... that was for the KF6 packages :D
<Begasus>
almost 60MiB for the installed KF5 ones
<Begasus>
the Qt5 part is larger ;)
<scanty>
ah, still not bad.... space is cheap
<Begasus>
yeah
<Begasus>
other laptop, 150GiB for Haiku, almost 300GiB for working on packages
<scanty>
cool
<nosycat>
Can't wait to run Haiku in more than 4GB of storage.
<Begasus>
that can be tight fit if you want to checkout different apps
<Begasus>
be sure to clean the administrative folders once in a while :)
<scanty>
i have haiku on a 1 TB drive.
<scanty>
i think i'll be good on space for a long time :-)
<Begasus>
that's plenty :D
<Begasus>
depending on the HW maybe you could even setup dualboot 32bit/64bit
<scanty>
i don't really need 32-bit for anything anyway, and if i do, i'll just set it up in a vm
<nosycat>
It is tight, and I clean up carefully, thank you.
<Begasus>
:)
<nosycat>
Still got more than half the drive free. Somehow.
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<gordonjcp>
I should have given myself more than 60GB for Haiku, really
<gordonjcp>
I need to wipe this 500GB SSD and repartition it, I set up Linux in about 160GB
<gordonjcp>
the rest is empty, and I ended up filling it with video, just copies of camera cards
<nosycat>
:D
<jmairboeck>
Begasus: akonadi is a service that is intended to be running in the background, so not terminating when KMail is exited is kind of expected. The native mail_daemon is quite similar, it also runs in the background.
<scanty>
hmm can't get on pandora with Falkon
<jmairboeck>
Begasus: to stop akonadi, you can normally use "akonadictl stop"
* exoflux
uses a live-haiku from USB...
<Begasus>
jmairboeck, yeah there are some commands to be used for akonadi, haven't fully looked into them
<scanty>
haha, I don't think I have access to your disk ^_^
<scanty>
can you e-mail me a copy or something?
<Begasus>
I'll see what I can setup in the next days, don't expect anything major though :)
<Begasus>
food, bbl
<scanty>
ok, i'll annoy you in a few days
<scanty>
build instructions would work, too
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<Begasus>
re
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<Begasus>
building is easy scanty, if the other packages are installed it's just a matter of using cmake :)
<Begasus>
disable doctools/X11 ...
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<Begasus>
k, closing down here, cu peeps!
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<toydragon-haiku>
haldo!
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<toydragon-haiku>
Coming to you live from haiku on a thinkpad t480 :)
<toydragon-haiku>
impressed with how well things work for the most part
<gordonjcp>
toydragon-haiku: yay
<toydragon-haiku>
tad frustrated with some wifi related stuff
<toydragon-haiku>
will need to get a network cable routed over for the lappy
<gordonjcp>
toydragon-haiku: I've just rebooted into Linux because the Chinese takeaway's webshite doesn't play nice with WebPositive :-)
<gordonjcp>
but, I'm on a T430, it works pretty well
<toydragon-haiku>
in haiku, experiencing a ton of packet loss that doesn't happen in linux on wifi
<toydragon-haiku>
makes installing packages take a lot of reattempts
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<B2IA>
(nqn) intel idualwifi in my t460 and yoga 15 is a curse
<B2IA>
(nqn) T430s works great
<gordonjcp>
my T430 has the 6205, it's pretty bombproof
<gordonjcp>
there, now I'm in Haiku
<gordonjcp>
a bawhair under a minute to shut down, and reboot into Haiku
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<gordonjcp>
about the only wifi annoyance I have is that it doesn't automatically select my wifi, I need to go to Network every time and pick it even though it says it should connect automatically
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<gordonjcp>
other than that
<gordonjcp>
mmu_man: hello
<gordonjcp>
toydragon-haiku: I would say though that generally oldish Lenovo stuff is the bomb for testing more leftfield OSes
<mmu_man>
plop
<gordonjcp>
toydragon-haiku: I have had one of my T440s - literally pulled out of a skip at work - quad-booting
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<gordonjcp>
bunch of partitions, variously containing Ubuntu, Haiku, OpenIndiana and NetBSD
<gordonjcp>
... I don't like to think people could easily dig around on my laptop, without me present
<gordonjcp>
if they can, if they are sufficiently weird enough to understand all those, then they probably are okay
<B2IA>
(nqn) Disk Enryption is one of the missing haiku features ...
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<gordonjcp>
I'm not really fussed about disk encryption
<gordonjcp>
disks are too slow already without adding that in
<zard>
Ok, so you're usually on one hour after I leave
<zard>
Hello toydragon-haiku :)
<toydragon-haiku>
hi zard!
<coolcoder613_32>
I booted up my very first Haiku install today
<toydragon-haiku>
nice!
<coolcoder613_32>
kernel from sep 2023
<coolcoder613_32>
updating it now
<toydragon-haiku>
I did my first baremetal install last nite :D
* zard
still only uses qemu
<coolcoder613_32>
cmon.. Why?
<zard>
Don't want to dual-boot with Linux
<coolcoder613_32>
Why not?
<toydragon-haiku>
I think I'm gonna have to make a script -- or a one liner if i can wranlge it -- to handle installing stuff for me until i get this cable lol
<zard>
Doubt I could use Haiku as a daily driver
<coolcoder613_32>
What's missing for you?
<zard>
Well, for one, I like my tiling window manager