ChanServ changed the topic of #wayland to: https://wayland.freedesktop.org | Discussion about the Wayland protocol and its implementations, plus libinput
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<orowith2os[m]> if anybody could comment on https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/merge_requests/110#note_2037681, that would be appreciated
<orowith2os[m]> tl;dr reply from an SDL dev about the whole design and functionality
<orowith2os[m]> it was mentioned that it could probably be something done as a portal, though I tossed my thoughts there on it ("nasty" - since portals tend to need user interaction)
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<wlb> weston Issue #798 opened by jax wang (ultwcz) weston-launch https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/-/issues/798
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<wlb> weston Issue #798 closed \o/ (weston-launch https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/-/issues/798)
<daniels> orowith2os[m]: thanks for a constructive reply
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<kchibisov> Are there protocols to do xembed like tabbed (name of the x11 app) container? I know about some foreign protocols, but I think they used to do something else...
<daniels> xdg-foreign is really only used to do dialogs
<kchibisov> Yeah, I guess. I just woke up with a strong desire to embed one window into another :p
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<kennylevinsen> Fast forward to your client having a wlroots dependency :P
<kchibisov> I thought about that, but it's a bit annoying to interact with the outer world.
<kchibisov> And I don't think wlroots can do multiwindow on wayland?
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<kennylevinsen> It can, there's an env var to set the initial number and I think there's an API to add more at runtime
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<kennylevinsen> Bur for embedding you wouldn't want to make windows. I think someone was working/playing with rendering to a subsurface
<kchibisov> kennylevinsen: the end goal is an automatting tabbing container.
<kchibisov> like tabbed on X11.
<kchibisov> So instead of doing tabs in every apps you have an option to run under special container client.
<kennylevinsen> Not familiar with that - as long as you own the display connections it should be possible, but you can't remove or add external windows.
<kennylevinsen> (... Not sure if changes to run in a subsurface got merged, so that's is a caveat)
<kchibisov> I mean, I surely can run under my special compositor which can create multiple windows.
<kchibisov> it's just more involved than with X11, where you tell a XID telling, please embed into this.
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<wlb> weston Merge request !1314 merged \o/ (Use weston_view_move_to_layer() consistently in desktop-shell https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/-/merge_requests/1314)
<wlb> weston Issue #797 closed \o/ (Weston 12 segfaults when running "x11perf -reps 1 -repeat 1 -all" under XWayland https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/-/issues/797)
<wlb> weston Merge request !1344 merged \o/ (xwayland: fix segfault when running x11perf https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/-/merge_requests/1344)
<wlb> weston/main: Brendan King * xwayland: fix segfault when running x11perf https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/commit/751c1c949635 xwayland/window-manager.c
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<orowith2os[m]> daniels: is there anything I could be missing here? are you aware of any other potential paths that could at least put a bandaid on the issues I mentioned? https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/merge_requests/110#note_2038802
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<sozuba> Hi, Does wayland use https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xdg/shared-mime-info? if not, what does wayland use for sharing mime info?
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<orowith2os[m]> you can probably read exactly what's sent over the protocol via some debug variables
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<sozuba> orowith2os[m], thank you for the response. That clarifies regarding what/how wayland uses mime info. But honestly, beyond that, I don't/wouldn't understand any of what's in that link yet. I also just wanted to understand if https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xdg/shared-mime-info is used by wayland (email/browser) applications too? Could you please clarify/confirm if applications in wayland don't use https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xdg/shared-mime-info?
<sozuba> for*
<orowith2os[m]> ugh, not even the rust bindings have anything - still a string....
<sozuba> didn't understand what you meant, if that was for me :D
<orowith2os[m]> I'm guessing it's just what what you linked uses
<orowith2os[m]> just in plaintext form
<orowith2os[m]> e.g. image/png
<sozuba> ah okay, is there a way i can see if that uses that specific package?
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<orowith2os[m]> probably not
<orowith2os[m]> check the meson.build or whatever
<orowith2os[m]> there's also the WAYLAND_DEBUG variable
<Sachiel> wayland is just a protocol
<Sachiel> that link says that thing is used by gnome/kde/others, so there's your answer
<sozuba> Sachiel, that clarifies. Thank you :)
<sozuba> orowith2os[m], understood, thanks again :)
<orowith2os[m]> specifically, run an app with WAYLAND_DEBUG=1, grep for the appropriate events, and see what it sends over
<orowith2os[m]> should settle it fairly quickly
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<sozuba> orowith2os[m], understood. I will note it down. FOr now, i haven;t yet installed wayland. I was about to go fully wayland without any X-11 applications and wanted to know if this particular package pulled in as a dependency with the cateogry X11-misc for syslog-ng, could be blocked. Before i took it up with my distribution, i wanted to clarify it here. Thank you you have given me more than enough :) I will test that for sure, once i have
<sozuba> completed my install.
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<bl4ckb0ne> we should add the input fd protocol in the next meeting
<orowith2os[m]> I'd like to pop in too, if that's alright?
<orowith2os[m]> I'm not familiar with how these meetings work, but I think I can provide useful information
<orowith2os[m]> I'm putting together a document summarizing my thoughts as we speak
<bl4ckb0ne> iirc its open to all
<orowith2os[m]> I'm just generally not knowledgeable about where they're held, how one would join, and what platform is used
<orowith2os[m]> there doesn't seem to be much on those topics, at a quick glance
<emersion> see the ML
<bl4ckb0ne> tbh i mostly listen and ask dumb questions, dont worry
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<orowith2os[m]> emersion: ML?
<bl4ckb0ne> mailing list
<bl4ckb0ne> did somebody took care of next week's meeting already?
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<orowith2os[m]> ah
<orowith2os[m]> yeah, I don't do mailing lists
<orowith2os[m]> if the meetings were held on jitsi or an irc channel or other social platform, I could join
<bl4ckb0ne> its on kde's platform
<bl4ckb0ne> ill do the mail when the kids are asleep if nobody does it before
<any1> There's one missing in the archives, I think.
<bl4ckb0ne> wasnt it last month
<any1> Don't remember. I just remember that ext-screencopy-v1 was on the agenda and I was cursious about what came out of it.
<bl4ckb0ne> hm yeah theres's one meeting missing https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/wikis/meetings
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<wlb> weston Issue #799 opened by Jamie Randall (jrandall) Bad pointer address causes weston crash https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/-/issues/799
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