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<as400[m]> marcan: theoretically yes. In practice on my mbp 14 it doesn't scale down big cores to 600MHz.
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<mps> ime conservative is better
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<nsklaus> temperature is important for me too, i hope the team can look into it
<nsklaus> having sensors would be nice to have of course, but there's always just using the laptop, and feeling it running hot, by hand
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<nsklaus> it's not in any way a precise measure, but it can be felt, and be annoying, to have hands on the laptop and it feeling it's running hot while doing nothing in particular
<sven> just keep all cpus in the lowest performance state and it probably won't get hot. also, don't charge it ever. :P
<nsklaus> intel macbook were like that, just using them, they were always hot
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<sven> on a more serious note, this all seems to be handled by co-processors. things will improve when it no longer uses software rendering for everything and possibly a bit more once deep sleep is ready
<nsklaus> sven: that what i used to do with my macbook intel, it was running with everything always set to minimum, the result was a slow machine, many things disabled, and running a bit less hot in the end, but still warm always
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<sven> these are not intel machines though
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<_jannau_> chadmed was looking into providing information in dt to make schedutil's energy aware scheduling work
<nsklaus> but i had to use tlp to lower frequency of cpu and gpu, and disable every possible feature
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<nsklaus> sven: yes these are not intel machine, and i have hope it will be able to perform better than intel ones, on the temperature front too
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<sven> pretty sure they already do
<mps> nsklaus: I made small daemon for intel macbook (old one from 2009) to control temp by increasing and decreasing fan speed
<nsklaus> mps: my intel macbook is a macbookpro 2015 model, would that work with it too ? if yes i might be interested to test it, would you have a link for it ?
<mps> nsklaus: I could upload source, it is about two screens of code
<nsklaus> hmm
<mps> I'll put it on web server in a hour (not right on intel now)
<nsklaus> i'd prefer better cpu/gpu management than fan control though
<mps> yes, agree
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<nsklaus> i can't stand hot and noisy laptops, sorry about that, it's just the way i feel about them.. having idle laptop running fans or running hot they look like garbage immediately in my mind ;)
<j`ey> im not sure if anyone likes hot and hoisy laptops!
<nsklaus> j`ey: many people don't seem to care or pretend to not noticing it
<sven> j`ey: marcan used to have a laptop we called "fridge with a nuclear reactor attached" :-P
<j`ey> sven: haha
<nsklaus> most intel laptop are like that, even xps 13" from dell and many many others.. macbook (on macos) are nice for being notoriously quiet
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<nsklaus> sven: yes seems nice, for those who don't mind loosing hairs and teeth, fingernails getting irradiated while using laptop ;)
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<_jannau_> mps: are you sure the performance cores never go into the lowest frequency state? Please check /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu4/cpufreq/stats/time_in_state
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<_jannau_> for my it's mostly in the lowest state
<nsklaus> j`ey: that link you pasted above, eas-wip, did it made its way into asahi main tree yet ?
<_jannau_> schedutil might boost them if it detects interactive use so if you check the current state it might be never in the lowest state
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<nsklaus> hum that on chadmed's repo
<mps> _jannau_: `cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu4/cpufreq/stats/time_in_state | tpaste` => https://tpaste.us/9bZl
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<_jannau_> so it's 89% of the time at 600MHz
<mps> I didn't compiled anything after last boot
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<_jannau_> well as400[m] claimed that schedutil won't go into the 600MHz state and you claimed that conservative is better
<mps> _jannau_: yes, and I wrote 'ime', didn't do any serious checks
<mps> long ago read on kernel-docs about this and decided to use conservative on all laptops
<mps> not only to lower temp but also to save battery
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<j`ey> as400[m]: can you do the same `cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu4/cpufreq/stats/time_in_state` and paste somewhere
<_jannau_> that might be a decision which needs a re-evaluation given apple silicon's efficiency. a more reactive governor and just limit the top frequency state is probably better
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<mps> btw, I checked with chadmeds patch but didn't noticed much differences
<_jannau_> reset the stats if you have to switch the governor
<_jannau_> I would not expect that you can notice a difference by using the a system for 30 minutes
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<mps> well, i used chadmeds patch for about two weeks, but didn't applied it in latest build
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<nsklaus> slightly off topic but, also, my macbook intel from 2015, it have under performing wifi, it works, but the signal reception is poor. on macos the signal is strong, and on linux i can barely connect, and i have to avoid putting clutter around the laptop or it could loose signal and get disconnected. like how i put my body around it, my body could act as a barrier making it loose signal..
<mps> but running macbook on hot days with chadmeds patch and conservative governor was bearable though it was somewhat hot
<nsklaus> i wonder if there would be a way to improve signal reception
<mps> nsklaus: you could try set some params with 'iw'
<nsklaus> mps: interesting, like what kind of parameter should i try to experiment with ?
<mps> country BO (Bolivia) doesn't limit signal strength iirc
<nsklaus> it could be a workaround, i will try looking into it, thanks for telling
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<mps> which params could be set depends on driver and firmware, experimentation usually needed
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<as400[m]> j`ey: I'm not in front of my mbp now. Sorry
<j`ey> as400[m]: no rush, just next time you are
<as400[m]> sure
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<IcaroDextris[m]> is there a suggested colour profile for asahi? just for curiosity
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<marcan> as400[m]: it does, you just don't see it.
<marcan> almost any command you run (e.g. "cat" to read the frequency file) will cause it to scale up
<marcan> that's the point of schedutil, it's much more finer grained and efficient
<marcan> the cores absolutely scale down to 600 when idle, just finding out makes them not idle :-)
<as400[m]> marcan: I'm aware of "any command will scale them up" thing. I have just feeling that machine is cooler when using ondemand. No, I didn't do any science grade tests.
<marcan> well yeah, because ondemand is a lot laggier scaling them up, so small bursts will just run slower and also use less energy
<marcan> but that isn't a good thing
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<nsklaus> we shouldn't be able to feel machine getting hotter at all, unless compiling or running intensive task for a minute or so, like it is on macos
<sven> lol, no. even on macOS my m1 air gets warm while doing nothing occasionally
<nsklaus> not that i'm a macos lover or anything, but i've got to admit, machine is running stone cold and silent, unless i really make it do extensive stuff
<nsklaus> sven: the m1 air maybe since it have not fans
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<nsklaus> but the macbookpro 13" i almost never hear the fan, even with 30 tabs open in browser, a lot of apps open, playing videos and all (daily workload), the laptop stays cold, and silent. fan is probably running a bit but i cannot hear a thing. and i have very good hearing
<nsklaus> even running games it stays cold and silent in most cases
<nsklaus> if sensors and power consumption monitoring could be made available it would be interesting to compare result between macos and linux
<nsklaus> i mean, in the optic of progressing little by little to reach a good support of m1, on par or better than macos on same device, in the long run..
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<AdryzzOLEDEdition[m]1> the hwmon driver work has started afaik
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<josh_> hey
<Dementor[m]> Maybe now that a lot of electron apps have vulnerabilities they will be updated
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<Dementor[m]> And will support asahi linux
<josh_> hopefully
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<Tramtrist> ha.. nice article Dementor[m]
<Dementor[m]> I didnt write it but I hope it makes a difference for us
<Tramtrist> ya.. though it says not to click on links at the end.. woops
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<josh_> "Do not click on shady links" uhhh
<josh_> sure..will remember next time
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<as400[m]> j'ey: each of the probes lasted 15 minutes. Sorry for so short time. I was doing exactly the same things during both of the probes. NO, it's not anything scientific ---> https://paste.debian.net/1250205/ and https://paste.debian.net/1250209/
<as400[m]> and yes I take back my words that big cores do not go down to 600Mhz when on schedutil :) Anyway machine feels much cooler when on ondemand
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<neonim> hey
<neonim> first time irc users here currently installing using the asahi installer on my M1Pro
<neonim> very excited
<neonim> /cd
<as400[m]> neonim: good luck :)
<as400[m]> one way or the other - good move :)
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<neonim> fingers crossed - I hope I find a way to contribute some time soon
<neonim> exit
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<AdryzzOLEDEdition[m]1> it did not, in fact exit
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<steev> heh
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