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<mps>
just ordered another macbook, this time m1pro 16 inch with 32GB ram, hope it will arrive before end of week
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<Sobek[m]>
Why do you need one more macbook pro ? Are you trying to compete with m a r c a n's collection ?
<mps>
Sobek[m]: heh no. I need ansi keyboard and this one I use now have iso one
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<maz>
one always need one more machine anyway.
<mps>
actually i need it for fast compiling my $day_job software
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<matejcik[m]>
hello. I was wondering: Macs historically don't support displayport multi-stream (MST) which is used for daisy-chaining monitors, and also by many multi-monitor USB3 hubs. In case of M1, is it a hardware limitation or is it a driver issue?
<sven>
very likely hardware
<sven>
we can essentially only route a single DP stream to a single usb c port
<tpw_rules>
mps: how did you get apple to ship you one that fast. it took me like four months to get mine :(
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<mps>
tpw_rules: asked local reseller what they have in their store
<mps>
got proforma invoice with 'delivery time: 1 day'
<kettenis>
"Qualcomm Snapdragon 8cx Gen3 (SC8280XP), the current high end of Arm based Laptop SoCs"
<kettenis>
dream on qualcomm, dream on ;)
<maz>
if you restrict it to "ARM Ltd" based laptops, they may actually be right. but otherwise, yeah, right...
<marcan>
what does "ARM Ltd" mean, "does not forget to implement nVHE mode"? :p
<maz>
that, and a couple of other things! :D
<maz>
I'm quite curious to see what they will do with the Nuvia design though.
<marcan>
(speaking of, do you have an M2 yet? we're going to have to do the usual thing for the core GIC quirks and PMU support...)
<j`ey>
*Arm Ltd :P
<maz>
"Make arm ARM again".
<maz>
no M2 yet, waiting for a mini to land.
<marcan>
ɑrm
<maz>
at this point I'll be all over it.
<j`ey>
marcan: lol
<j`ey>
maz: same, but then m3 will be close so I will wait again
<marcan>
then M4 will be close!
<_jannau_>
why would limit the selection that way if qualcomm itself doesn't say it uses ARM Ltd. based cores
<_jannau_>
+we
<marcan>
I think he meant "ɑrm ARM compliant"
<maz>
not really, I meant "cores designed by ARM".
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<marcan>
ah, then qualcomm doesn't count either indeed
<maz>
don't they? I don't think they are shipping any internal design at the moment.
<maz>
their Krio cores are nothing but rebadged Cortex.
<marcan>
literally zero changes, just a marketing name?
<_jannau_>
yes, it should be cortex-x1 + a78, maybe with some custom qualcomm sprinkles
<maz>
usually, larger caches...
<marcan>
ouch, I thought they were trying harder than that
<maz>
and of course the MIDR, which changes everything!
<marcan>
you should know, VMs on macOS are magically running on a homogeneous system ;)
<maz>
it is quite funny to see them adding their MIDRs to the errata lists each time there is a workaround...
<marcan>
I wonder if we'll ever run into any serious M* errata needing kernel workarounds? though Apple seem pretty adept at fixing stuff with chicken bits...
<marcan>
the latest M2 pile even speak of flipflop delays which is 0_o
<maz>
nice...
<kettenis>
0_o?
<Sobek[m]>
<marcan> "the latest M2 pile even speak of..." <- Where is that pile of chicken?
<j`ey>
kernel-5.19.0-rc7 is before kernel-5.19.0, kernel-5.19.0 is the final release
<j`ey>
err, s/final/actual/
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<gaudem[m]>
hmm, okay. it doesnt appear as dnf picks it up as an update
<_jannau_>
maybe "-asahi" vs. "-rc7.asahi" is an issue
<_jannau_>
not sure if Leif is still available he was planning to go on vacation
<whynothugo>
I see that `fd` now works too.
<_jannau_>
whynothugo: which distro? for asahilinux / arch linux arm there are afaik 2 issues whih remain unfixed
<whynothugo>
On asahi. Well, it use to crash immediately on startup, and that's not happening any more.
<j`ey>
whynothugo: did you install the package or with cargo install?
<whynothugo>
Package.
<whynothugo>
It just works now.
<whynothugo>
Oh, no, never mind.
<whynothugo>
Wrong terminal
<j`ey>
:|
<psykose>
cargo install fd --no-default-features
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<j`ey>
yay jemalloc
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<psykose>
or well, whatever is the correct command
<psykose>
fd-find
<_jannau_>
and I hoped for a moment alarm rebased and merged the rust fix which sits there for almost 2 months now
<_jannau_>
and I think the fd package use it's own jemalloc, so it has to be fixed as well
<psykose>
you either need --no-default-features which doesn't even use it, or JEMALLOC_OVERRIDE="/usr/lib/libjemalloc.so" to link the system one (compiled with the correct page size)
<psykose>
or perhaps a way to set the page size of the vendored one, shrug
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<_jannau_>
the system jemalloc will not work since that uses the build page size of 4k as well
<psykose>
hah
<_jannau_>
pull request open since the end of march
<psykose>
well, just the first option then
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<mps>
(don't understand why people use jemalloc for ordinary software)
<tpw_rules>
does building jemalloc by default for 16k or 64k substantially impact its performance?
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<psykose>
cannot answer that question but i assume you can find a benchmark suite to throw at it in various configurations
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<whynothugo>
My bluetooth headphones connect and immediately disconnect. Are they expected to work? Or is some driver support still missing?
<opticron>
whynothugo, have you installed all the necessary pipewire packages?
<whynothugo>
I have the same packages as I do on my x86_64 setup.
<opticron>
I tried to do it that way, too
<opticron>
and I had the same experience
<opticron>
after installing pipewire and associated packages, things worked correctly the first time
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<lucienmaxwell[m]>
anyone else having trouble with the AUR right now?
<lucienmaxwell[m]>
or can point me to the obvious fix? newbie, just installed like 20' ago
<j`ey>
you'll have to say what issue you're having
<princesszoey>
worked fine for me at 2am using yay
<princesszoey>
also I didn't realize how FAST asahi was. it's insane
<princesszoey>
expected it to kinda chug with no graphics acceleration but nupe
<lucienmaxwell[m]>
yeah sorry it looks like it's working now. although I guess I'm just now realizing that a lot of the packages I'm used to will be unavailable because they don't have arm versions, right?
<princesszoey>
right
<j`ey>
lucienmaxwell[m]: most packages will be fine..
<jannau>
you probably can build most them when you ignore the architecture
<princesszoey>
only two things I've had issues with is discord and telegram
<lucienmaxwell[m]>
really? so I can just say "build anyway" when I get the architecture warning?
<princesszoey>
telegram installed but won't launch and I was working on other stuff
<lucienmaxwell[m]>
cool, trying brave now
<lucus>
telegram uses jemalloc too
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<Cy8aer[m]>
Uuh I tried grub password locking. That is not fun: the keyboard is not as responsive as expected. Some keys are not responding from time to time. I was happy when I could login and disable it again.
<Cy8aer[m]>
(mb pro 14'')
<princesszoey>
ah ha, thanks lucus, I hadn't bothered to do anything pat trying to open it
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<Tramtrist>
what kinds of battery life are people seeing on asahi? M1 pro or m2 air?
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<princesszoey>
I lost like 15% battery in 2 hours of use?
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<princesszoey>
I wasn't paying much attention to it
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<nicolas17>
Tramtrist: inevitably it's going to be worse than macOS for now
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<Tramtrist>
ua
<Tramtrist>
ya
<Tramtrist>
figured
<Tramtrist>
this M2 air is running 20 hours on normal use so
<Tramtrist>
its pretty ridiculous
<Tramtrist>
on macos that is
<Tramtrist>
if i get 15 hours its still nutso
<Tramtrist>
on asahi
<Willmish[m]>
I was rewatching Marcan’s podcast with FLOSS weekly and he was mentioning 8-12 then I believe
<Willmish[m]>
Tho that was 2 months ago
<Willmish[m]>
For m1
<princesszoey>
I get like 3 hours on my 14" MBP. I don't get it. I'm just in outlook/discord/firefox
<princesszoey>
(on macOS)
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<princesszoey>
and it's already down 13% battery health since November
<Willmish[m]>
princesszoey: That sounds like a defective battery to me
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<princesszoey>
yeah I'm going to run by the apple store. I don't know if it's because it's plugged into my dock 24/7 or what
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<Willmish[m]>
On macOS it has pretty smart battery charging health wise, so shouldn’t be a problem imo
<Willmish[m]>
* that thing (optimised battery charging)
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<princesszoey>
except it NEVER stays at 80% Lol. it's 100% 24/7
<princesszoey>
my laptop has been unplugged twice since the end of april
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<nicolas17>
well that's why :P
<nicolas17>
optimized battery charging looks at your routine to see when you plug it in (same as on iPhone)
<nicolas17>
so for example if every day you leave your iPhone charging overnight and unplug it at 8am, it will charge to 80%, stop, then continue charging at 7:30am so that it's 100% by 8am
<nicolas17>
if you never unplug it then there's no routine to learn from
<nicolas17>
I assume mac is similar
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<princesszoey>
ahh
<princesszoey>
I'd have liked it to just stay at 80%
<princesszoey>
I'll learn in a few weeks when I'm back in in person classes vs remote
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<alarm>
hi guys
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<alarm>
ls
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<alarm>
is this an error about asahi? 'error while loading shared libraries: libjli.so: ELF load command alignCment not page-aligned'
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<j`ey>
alarm: that sounds like a 16K page size issue
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<j`ey>
alarm: what package?
<alarm>
i am trying to install ghidra but it uses gradle
<alarm>
when i run gradle i got the error
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<nicolas17>
princesszoey: on iOS it also has some crazy extra heuristics
<nicolas17>
like it learns what's your usual location while it's charging overnight
<nicolas17>
and if you're not at your usual location then it charges to 100% (if you're not home you probably won't have the same routine either)