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<chadmed>
ndo: have you checked the power settings in plasma?
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<jannau>
package updates from alarm seems to be back. the community repo is gone. remove it from /etc/pacman.conf but do not use /etc/pacman.conf.pacnew since that will remove the "asahi" repo
<jannau>
marcan: FYI ^^^
<jannau>
of course no announcements of any sort. sigh
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<sid-linux>
Just want to report that ALARM seems to (finally) have a lot of updates after a long time !
<sid-linux>
I just updated 590 (!) packages :-) !
<sid-linux>
At first glance the update has gone went fine for me but I'm planning to look at this in more detail given the massive amount of updates
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<mort_>
I feel the pain every time the Asahi mastodon account has to tweet out a "FYI the ALARM project fucked up so all your systems broke, nothing we can do" style post
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<chadmed>
everyone should switch to gentoo :)
<ChaosPrincess>
that sounds like a great idea
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<mps>
chadmed: isn't alpine better option ;-)
<mps>
(sorry for OT msg)
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* cy8aer
unpacks popcorn
<cy8aer>
And: though I like alpine for container building: This distribution is not compatible to the common distributions because it builds on musl. So a testing on other distributions would become more complicated (other dist: does not work for me, alpine asahi: Why it works. Period!!)
<mps>
cy8aer: most upstream software CIs run on alpine dockers
<cy8aer>
Yes in docker containers. That is why I like it.
<mps>
so software is tested already on musl
<cy8aer>
Just get netflix running on an alpine desktop (because widewine depends on libc), or some whatever po
<mps>
hehe, I meant to say *open source software*, not closed ones
<cy8aer>
propriarity stuff: forget it. And that's it: We try to get widewine running. We try to get x-y-z chat program running (zoom, teams ...) I know the questions of the "normal" users...
<cy8aer>
You have the problems with 4k/16k and chrome based systems. You will have additional problems for supporting this stuff.
<mps>
we (alpine) intentionally don't trying to make closed/proprietary work on alpine
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<mps>
4K/16K is kernel issue, not musl
<cy8aer>
That is not the interest of the "normal" user. He simply does not understand why it is not working. You will add more problems when you change the standard libc.
<mps>
all userspace works fine on asahi kernel and other kernels withoot touching them
<cy8aer>
And: I do not use Alpine, Arch and other prefered stuff on the mac, I do not care at all.
<mps>
actually when I started using m1 from day one I simply copied root/home FS from one arm64 chromebook without compiling anything except kernel
<cy8aer>
Ok and you called aunt Anny to do it the same way?
<mps>
I would tell aunt to use macos
<cy8aer>
We are talking in the 10% bubble. But look at the questions at #asahi and #asahi-alt. That are the 90% who will have problems.
<mps>
asahi distro is experimental and not intended for end users. when every important thing upstreamed to mainline kernel then specific asahi distros will not be needed
<mps>
and upstreamed to u-boot
<cy8aer>
For me asahi is a kernel. And some additional packages, like mesa. If you are able to put these into your prefered distro everything is fine. If you want it easy, install asahi linux. But there are problems with the dist base as we can actually see. It is easy. Install by calling the "curl"and off you go. but... And this "but" is the main problem if you enhance it with additional stumbling blocks.
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<cy8aer>
Only to think of. Outside the 10% bubble.
<cy8aer>
And now eating the popcorn...
<mps>
we have all needed for nearly full year in alpine distro
<cy8aer>
Had it with my distro for the same time. That is not the point. It is the frustration level of aunt Anny.
<mps>
except GPU things, intentionally for now.
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<mps>
I doubt aunts uses linux
<cy8aer>
> I cannot do blabla because X is not supported. So my priority is less and I swap to lenovo
<cy8aer>
Just an example: there is some guy who builds the kernel and mesa packages for debian:
<mps>
cy8aer: also I build asahi-mesa and kernel with GPU, and some people use this quite fine. simply I think it is not yet ready for official alpine
<cy8aer>
With this the infrastructure chain of a whole distro is killed only because of X. I cannot use the zoom app because it is not musl. This system is _censored_ swap to x86. And that would be homemade.
<j`ey_>
cy8aer: so thats where glanzmann left
<cy8aer>
Yep. I have yesterday's kernel. But count the people who don't because they depend on someone who built it and swapped because of frustration.
<mps>
cy8aer: can't understand your reasoning. If you need proprietary apps then why not use proprietary OS and save self from problems
<cy8aer>
mps: it is more than propriatry stuff. It is a superordinated compatibility thing for people who want to work with asahi and do not have the expertise these "10%" have. And it is ignorant to forget those.
<mps>
:shrug:
<cy8aer>
Popcorn is fine...
<mps>
heh, enjoy it
<cy8aer>
(and just from another side: I have these problems also in business with alpine. Why does it not work when I build a container based on alpine??? Standard question I get nearly daily. Because your prog xyz is based on libc???)
<cy8aer>
What is a libc? That is what I mean
<mps>
famous answer "take bigger hammer"
<seb91nihel>
sorry to interrupt your conversation :) ...but I did the 500+ package update on m1 macbook pro, and after the next reboot grub complains about not finding linux-asahi-edge
<mps>
s/take/use/
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<seb91nih_>
what can I do to make it boot again?
<mps>
you can boot from usb rescue system and use chroot to repair it
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<cy8aer>
And if you are able to boot: There was some comment from marcan (today or yesterday - I think here in #asahi) that there is an entrance in the arch repository list that must be dropped to get the dist into good shape.
<seb91nih_>
already commented out the community part
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<seb91nih_>
that was before the update
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<seb91nih_>
okay so will try to build a bootable m1 usb stick and ask for further help if I have chroot...
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<Foxboron>
jannau: leming is adding an empty repo as we are doing on Arch, btw
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<sid-linux>
seems like seb91nihel got unlucky. I wonder what was different in his asahi setup that caused things to fail. Mine worked well.
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<sid-linux>
I did see the following message:
<sid-linux>
:: To use the new features provided in this GRUB update, it is recommended
<sid-linux>
to install it to the MBR or UEFI. Due to potential configuration
<sid-linux>
incompatibilities, it is advised to run both, installation and generation
<sid-linux>
but ignored it. It turned out to be harmless for me.
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<_jannau__>
Foxboron: thanks, seems to be in place now
<Foxboron>
_jannau__: Awesome :)
<_jannau__>
sid-linux: more likely than not is that following the instructions broke it. We had that in the past. Not sure if the underlaying cause was resolved. iirc there's a debian like update-grub which avoid some pitfalls
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<sid-linux>
my system btw seems to be working well. should i be running `update-grub` myself or should i just let it be? (if it aint broke :-)... )
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<mps>
IME, from debian times I always disabled update-grub to run automatically. had a bad experience with it
<mps>
manual editing and updating is safer for me
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<Retr0id>
did widevine break in Firefox update, for anyone else? Still working in Chromium though. Investigating...
<Retr0id>
*in the
<Retr0id>
(the plugin is segfaulting somewhere, which probably means it's my fault)
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<Retr0id>
relatedly, segfaults don't seem to show any diagnostic logs in dmesg anymore, anyone happen to know what config option turns those back on?
<Retr0id>
solution: echo 1 | sudo tee /proc/sys/kernel/print-fatal-signals
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<iaguis>
Retr0id: yep, it's broken here as well, also in chromium
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<Retr0id>
weird, did it work in chromium for you previously?
<iaguis>
not sure, I don't think I tested it...
<iaguis>
perhaps I'm missing some config?
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<cy8aer>
is libc actualized? You need a patch in it...
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<spuos>
anyone have advice for ungoogled chromium working?
<spuos>
getting*
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<spuos>
last time I tried building it from AUR clang gave me an error near the end, don't remember what.
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<spuos>
I'm trying it again but I just spent the last half hour trying to figure out how to get distcc working (no success. 4/5 braincells remaining)