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<ktz>
I might be missing some context then, thanks
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<ktz>
ok apparently metal refers to the GPU, not the ANE. I've seen people mention metal in the context of llms so I assumed it had to do with the ANE.
<ktz>
so practically it won't be possible to utilize both the ane and the gpu as seen on llama.cpp for example since it relies on metal which is a gpu API that is irrelevant in the linux context?
<ktz>
or is the GPU supposed to support the metal API at some point?
<j`ey>
it wont support the metal API
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<ydalton>
hi, i've noticed that sometimes when entering recovery mode, the keyboard backlight goes on. does the presence or absense of the backlight indicate that you're in 1TR or regular recovery mode? because so far i've seen conflicting results.
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<ChaosPrincess>
isnt it tied to the ambient light sensor?
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<marcan>
ktz: there is no plan to support any Apple proprietary APIs. we will support open APIs like OpenGL, OpenCL, and Vulkan for the GPU.
<marcan>
I'm not aware of any particularly popular generic standard for ML accelerators, so ANE will probably get a bespoke API that various frameworks can add as a backend or whatever
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<marcan>
the Apple proprietary API for ANE (and other stuff) is CoreML. notably, it is fairly high level. chances are you will be able to do more stuff with our low level API, including non-ML stuff.
<ChaosPrincess>
isnt the standard basically "make a hacked up tensorflow that supports whatever ioctls your backend wants"
<marcan>
exactly :p
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<_jannau__>
isn't it pytorch nowadays?
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<ChaosPrincess>
that
<ChaosPrincess>
torch has some api where you implement several basic operations and it can use your hw as a backend
<ChaosPrincess>
but also, there is a reason everyone just buys nv
<bluetail>
ChaosPrincess you can use amd with pytorch but its a pain in the butt
<ChaosPrincess>
tis what im saying. ml/ai people want to train their models while vcs are busy throwing money at them, not messing around with their setups.
<ChaosPrincess>
so what if nv is more expensive, vcs will pay for it anyway
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<blowfish>
Is the touchpad sensitivity controllable in KDE as well? I just tried sway and you can set it in the config file. There's no acceleration I think but it doesn't really bother me.
<blowfish>
By default it's a bit too sensitive imo
<blowfish>
I couldn't find any settings while on KDE wayland but I'm just curious would it be controllable through some libraries using C if KDE doesn't have this option?
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<blowfish>
I think libinput is probably what I'd want for this
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<dottedmag>
There was a discussion of touchpad being too fast (either here or in #dri-devel), though I see no bug filed in libinput. Maybe it wasn't too fast after all.
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<ydalton>
blowfish: as far as i know libinput is used by Wayland compositors to handle input events, and its not (typically) used by user applications
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<blowfish>
any ideas what I could do to get an external drive working or is this not supported?
<blowfish>
not to boot from but just get some data from it once I'm in asahi, it's exFAT but doesn't show up in fdisk or lsblk
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<blowfish>
it has a partition formated as exFAT
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<adryzz>
is it over USB
<adryzz>
if so, does it show up under lsusb
<blowfish>
yeah it's using SATA to USB-C, when connected " Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub" and " Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub" show up
<adryzz>
that's not the disk
<adryzz>
that's the root USB hub
<blowfish>
yeah I guessed that but that is what shows up when I connect it
<adryzz>
lsusb shows only root hubs?
<blowfish>
yeah
<adryzz>
if so, then it isn't seen at all at the link level
<blowfish>
I just tried a usb-c hub and connected the drive to it using sata to usb-a and it shows up
<adryzz>
is it on a thunderbolt port?
<adryzz>
like when it doesn't show up
<blowfish>
I'm on a M1 air, I think they're both thunderbolt ports
<adryzz>
yeah then that's probably why
<blowfish>
but I've tried both
<blowfish>
I wonder why using the hub works
<blowfish>
it's a bit more inconvenient using the hub for me
<adryzz>
does the USB A port of the hub support SuperSpeed
<adryzz>
e.g. does it have the additional pins on the back of the connector
<blowfish>
you mean 3.0? if so yes
<blowfish>
I'm not sure
<blowfish>
what do you mean by extra pins?
<blowfish>
they're blue, like usb 3.0
<adryzz>
a USB-A connector that supports SuperSpeed has extra pins compared to USB 2.0, and they are located in the metal shell of the connector, but further back than the 4 standard USB 2.0 pins
<adryzz>
doesn't matter, you already said it supports SuperSpeed
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<blowfish>
so the reason it doesn't work with SATA to USB-C/Thunderbolt might be that the adapter is somehow incompatible with the thunderbolt ports?
<mps>
or thunderbolt driver doesn't work
<mps>
`dmesg` should show
<adryzz>
yeah, i think it's detecting thunderbolt and tries to use that link, and doesn't fallback to USB when it doesn't work
<adryzz>
but if you force it to use USB through a hub then it works
<blowfish>
ah
<blowfish>
this is what was in dmesg after connecting the drive by the way https://bpa.st/JWXAE