08:18 <andreasdr[m]> Gooood morning

09:00 <phschafft> mau.

09:39 <andreasdr[m]> Mauz!

11:34 <Anarchos> hello !!!

11:44 <HaikuUser> Hi! I have a question: I'm a man who don't know how to code and never used a bug tracker. I think I found a bug, but after I read the Bug Tracker Etiquette I'm not sure if I should use it or not, as I don't know if it's a bug "within haiku itself" or if it's related to an application or if it's a bad usage from me. After I installed LibreOffice I tried to add a shortcut to the desktop from the deskbar. If the shortcut work inside

11:44 <HaikuUser> deskbar, it doesn't work in the desktop. Is it a bug or is it me? Thanks!

11:54 <HaikuUser> (I'm @adou:matrix.org , thus I will leave IRC but still be there)

12:16 <Anarchos> waddlesplash what tutorials do you use about kernel programming ?

12:38 <waddlesplash> Anarchos: I don't really, I just read source code and ask other people questions

12:38 <waddlesplash> I just gradually picked up the needed skills over years of working with Haiku devs

12:43 <nekobot> [haiku/haiku] kallisti5 pushed 1 commit to master [hrev56333] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=265899da3a42+%5E8dc67def4b11

12:43 <nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 265899da3a42 - radeon_hd: from Cedar, memory sizes as bytes only for PALM/SUMO/SUMO2

12:43 <waddlesplash> adou[m]: most likely a bug in our LO port or something like it. bug reports belong at HaikuPorts on GitHub for that

12:44 <adou[m]> waddlesplash: Thanks

12:48 <Anarchos> waddlesplash ok . I tried to add a target to the buildtools but could not succeed to get gcc compile :/

12:48 <Anarchos> waddlesplash though i could get x86_64 boot through PXE \o/

12:49 <waddlesplash> :)

12:52 <Anarchos> waddlesplash do you think it could be a good idea to add a watching mechanism on the disk image in remote_disk_server ? It could be able to reload a new image file without restart

12:52 <Anarchos> but maybe we should disconnect all clients (if any) before reloading

12:52 <waddlesplash> idk. I personally wonder why we even have remote_disk_server and don't just use iSCSI

12:57 <Anarchos> waddlesplash maybe it's a technical debt ?

12:58 <nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [hrev56334] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=9ca7f96ccfcd+%5E265899da3a42

12:58 <nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 9ca7f96ccfcd - radeon_hd: refactor fb calculation; fix 64-bit bar fallback sizes; #17664

13:25 <diver1> adou[m]: did you move LO from Deskbar to the desktop? in this case Tracker copied the binary which won't work

13:25 <diver1> I guess Tracker should switch to symlink mode when moving files from deskbar special directories

13:32 <adou[m]> <diver1> "adou: did you move LO from..." <- Yep I did that. I thought it was already a shortcut in the deskbar

13:48 <Anarchos> Do we have a grokmonkey equivalent for buildtools ?

13:49 <Diver> adou[m]: you need to either move it with right mouse button and select Create symlink on release

13:50 <Diver> actually it looks like a bug in Tracker after all

14:50 <adou[m]> What I don't understand is why it works with the other softwares

14:51 <adou[m]> I can simply drag Web+ for example

14:51 <adou[m]> Does that create a new binary?

15:03 <Diver> it does

15:04 <Diver> a lot of software is a single binary, but this is not the case with LO

15:14 <adou[m]> Oh i understand, thanks

15:15 <adou[m]> Thus it's not a bug (but maybe a little counterintuitive IMHO)

16:54 <Okelano> Hello

16:54 <andreasdr[m]> Hi

16:55 <Okelano> Thank you for developing Haiku.

16:57 <andreasdr[m]> I want to second that.

17:00 <Okelano> Jupyter is spinning around the child

17:02 <Okelano> Sun rainbows brings daughter of mercy

17:03 <Okelano> That is my Haiku

17:03 <Okelano> That is my way

17:05 <Okelano> - Admire your work.

17:16 <andreasdr[m]> <3

17:26 <Not-34b6> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/8665a34bf7a6...27af3f9e45ed

17:26 <Not-34b6> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy 27af3f9 - MAME: enable Qt debugger

18:26 <Okelano> can I run qemu on haiku?

18:27 <Diver> you can but without acceleration

20:25 <Vidrep_64> Launching BePodder and then Vision my system completely locks up. The only way out is to force a reboot with TeamMonitor.

20:26 <Vidrep_64> I tried attaching Debugger to Vision but it locked up as well

20:32 <rennj> perhaps strace

20:34 <Vidrep_64> It's happened a few times

20:35 <rennj> and im saying dont use the debugger gui app but the command line strace

20:36 <rennj> dated

20:36 <rennj> https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/userguide/en/applications/debugger.html

20:36 <Vidrep_64> However, I need to reproduce the lockup

20:36 <rennj> https://www.haiku-os.org/blog/anevilyak/ blog post from 2015

20:36 <Vidrep_64> I'll try that next time

20:36 <Vidrep_64> Thanks

20:36 <rennj> thats 7 years ago

20:37 <rennj> Debugger Reference ManualThis is the most in-depth source on how to work with the Debugger.

20:37 <rennj> is only 33 pages

20:37 <Vidrep_64> I have it already

20:40 <rennj> https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/userguide/en/applications/list-cli-apps.html

20:41 <rennj> and im saying weak sauce!

20:41 <rennj> 33 pages for debugger

20:41 <Anarchos> rennj i could never use the 'evaluate expression' feature of the Debugger

20:55 <rennj> the debugger manual 2015

21:00 <Vidrep_64> "...weak sauce!" ???

21:02 <rennj> you know not hot

21:02 <rennj> weak!

21:03 <rennj> half ass job, and doesnt really amount to much

21:05 <rennj> if the tools to analysis the system help in taking it down, its not such a great tool, in the toolbox.

21:06 <rennj> perhaps its just the wifi driver barfing, ...guess

21:06 <rennj> 2 network apps crash the wifi driver?

21:19 <Vidrep_64> It's a wired connection

21:20 <Vidrep_64> Anyway, I'd like to find a series of steps to reproduce the problem consistently before creating a ticket

21:26 <rennj> sure, makes sense

21:27 <rennj> reproducible

23:50 <deadfwd[m]> anyone get sublimetext to work? Or proton mail bridge?