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<rennj> without modern browser doomed!
<rennj> las vegas - to reno nevada - to davis, california...i ran into 3 networks using Captive portal foobar
<rennj> no wep,wpa,wpa2,3 foo..open network and browser needs to know how to do Captive portal ?ap=&?ec=
<rennj> lameness...firefox103 to the rescue
<rennj> old version of firefox and i could get to the wifi accept screen
<rennj> old version of firefox and i couldnt get to the wifi accept screen
<rennj> ap= is easy part the ec=generated string was the bitch
<rennj> my android 4.x phone is worthless, and my kaiOS phone stopped working once i left las vegas
<rennj> no phone, no computer wifi...i was blind
<rennj> In order to perform redirection by DNS the captive portal uses DNS hijacking to perform an action similar to a man-in-the-middle attack. To limit the impact of DNS poisoning, a TTL of 0 is typically used.
<rennj> heh
<rennj> anyway updated the 2019 vm to firefox103/chrome104 solve that bullshit issue
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<LinuxUser> After I upgraded system I tried to run Firefox again and build VirtualBox. But failed. Same errors :(
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<LinuxUser> Does anyone know where Begasus user?
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<LinuxUser> Does anyone know where Begasus user is
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<rennj> probably be in later...usually is
<LinuxUser> Ok, I will wait
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
<Begasus> wb LinuxUser
<LinuxUser> @Begasus Hello! I'm glad to see you. I upgraded Haiku to latest nightly build but errors the same. Firefox doesn't work, Virtualbox doesn't want to compile
<Begasus> I don't think you can LinuxUser (mentioned somewhere yesterday that some attemped VBox but failed, whishlist for some to have Firefox but no one ever got as far as anything usefull
<Begasus> You could search the forum on talks about them
<Begasus> Did you try out WebPositive or Otter?
<LinuxUser> yes
<Begasus> Both do the trick for me on Haiku (for my needs)
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<LinuxUser> But why Qemu has got too low performance
<Begasus> Not familiar there but I guess some command line options could help out there
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<LinuxUser> Very strange but when I use QEMU through virt-manager on my host the performance is good
<LinuxUser> Is there virt-manager for Haiku?
<Begasus> Well, Haiku is "still" in Beta phase, so one should keep in mind that progress is needed for some parts
<Begasus> Don't think so
<Begasus> You can search for packages like on linux, Haiku uses "pkgman" (cli) or "HaikuDepot" (gui) to install/uninstall packages
<LinuxUser> You are right. I'm wondering how the small group of people can make this amazing os.
<Begasus> I'm not part there :) (can't even code "Hello World!") ;)
<LinuxUser> @Begasus Are you Haiku developer? Or just Haiku user?
<Begasus> I'm part of the haikuports team, where we create scripts that will enable packages to be installed for the users
<Begasus> Most (or a lot) OS's use recipes (apkbuild ...) for their packages, haikuports does the same
<LinuxUser> I think porting linux programs for Haiku is difficult
<netpositive> morning
<Begasus> morning netpositive
<Begasus> deppends LinuxUser
<Begasus> quite some Qt/KDE apps are already ported to Haiku
<LinuxUser> But why virtualbox doesn't compile(I got error: $kbuilddir variable not found)
<Begasus> Lately we are haven a look at GTK3 apps
<Begasus> Maybe because Haiku doesn't know the $kbuilddir variable?
<LinuxUser> But why virbualbox's compiler detected environment? I think vbox compiler has support for haiku
<Begasus> Looking at it's deppendencies I gues you are out of luck: https://archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/virtualbox/
<Begasus> linux-headers are not present for instanse
<Begasus> Haven't looked into it myself so can't check atm
<Begasus> qt5-x11extras (also not present) ...
<LinuxUser> Ok, vbox won't run but how about vmware workstation 12 player on haiku?
<Begasus> biab
<LinuxUser> ??
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<LinuxUser> @Begasus Have you just started the morning?
<LinuxUser> Huh, it's already afternoon in Russia
<LinuxUser> I think for virt-manager chances are low since virt-manager uses libvirt, libvirt uses systemd for its service. But in haiku systemd isn't implemented :(
<LinuxUser> Which service system Haiku uses?
<LinuxUser> Are you on Haiku?
<LinuxUser> @Begasus Where is you??
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<Begasus> Here now :)
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<Begasus> back
<Begasus> Had to take one of the kids to work
<Begasus> No systemd in Haiku yes
<LinuxUser> Ok, if no systemd for haiku but which service system haiku uses? openrc? or haiku uses own service system?
<Begasus> DCC doesn't work here :)
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<LinuxUser> @Begasus What is DCC?
<Begasus> You trying to send me a file over IRC
<LinuxUser> I tried yesterday but it dont works
<Begasus> That's why I said it, think the firewall blocks those here
<LinuxUser> Ok
<Begasus> If those are images you could try some imaging hosting site?
<LinuxUser> yes those are images
<Begasus> I'm using this for instance: https://ibb.co/v1hMpgy
<LinuxUser> @begasus that won't work for me i'm from russia
<Begasus> Can imagine some things are blocked there also
<Begasus> x512[m], updated the wayland branch with the xkbcommon and xkeyboard-config recipes at: https://github.com/Begasus/haikuports/commit/dd5fb73dded395963e1552c0fc1c3eafeea17c02
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<LinuxUser> @begasus what i should do with this link?
<Begasus> The last link I posted is ment for x512[m] who is working on the wayland port for Haiku
<LinuxUser> But what i should do with these recipes?
<Begasus> The recipes in there are used to build the packages
<Begasus> Not for you LinuxUser , you wouldn't have a use for it (at least not for now)
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<LinuxUser> ok
<Begasus> We have a tool "haikuporter" (cli) that is used to build packages out of the recipes
<LinuxUser> ok
<Not-ff83> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/3dcd5191fbbd...a1c4a81cbe90
<Not-ff83> [haikuports/haikuports] sikmir a1c4a81 - cmus: bump to 2.10.0 (#7118)
<Begasus> biab, time for the dogs :)
<LinuxUser> @begasus here is my screenshot https://thumbsnap.com/T2Ce5BYZ
<m[m]123456789> LinuxUser: Firefox doesn't work in Haiku AFAIK
<LinuxUser> @begasus shreenshot from vbox compiler https://thumbsnap.com/WWPME9ae
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<Begasus> ah "kbuild" think I've seen that before some time
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<Begasus> LinuxUser, are you on 64bit?
<LinuxUser> yes
<Begasus> in Terminal try "pkgman install kbuild"
<Begasus> But even then, slim chance on getting it to build
<Begasus> LinuxUser, I'm not sure how familiar you are with building from source, one thing to investigate if something goes wrong is the log files :)
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<LinuxUser> @begasus now the error: libcurl not found
<Begasus> pkgman search curl
<Begasus> you probably need (pkgman install curl_devel)
<Begasus> As it probably uses pkg-config to search for the libraries
<Begasus> You're probably stuck on the X libraries, for one it needs Xmu ...
<LinuxUser> Now the error: sdl not found
<Begasus> pkgman install libsdl_devel
<Begasus> You can still use "pkgman search *" if something is missing
<LinuxUser> ok
<LinuxUser> @Begasus now the error: xmu not found
<Begasus> try "pkgman search xmu"
<LinuxUser> ok i will try
<Begasus> found it?
<LinuxUser> yes
<LinuxUser> i also found mesa
<LinuxUser> @Begasus i'll disconnect from server for a while but i'll reconnect later
<Begasus> ok :)
<LinuxUser> I like to talk with you :)
<Begasus> I'm not always around ;)
<LinuxUser> I know
<LinuxUser> Strange, now the error mesa not found, but when i try to install it system says that mesa is already installed
<Begasus> add "--disalbe-opengl" to configure
<LinuxUser> I've got a question: where are you from?
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<andreasdr[m]> Good morning
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<Begasus> Moin andreasdr[m]
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<andreasdr[m]> Moin Begasus. :)
<Begasus> ;)
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<LinuxUser> @Bwgasus I'm already here
<Begasus> Me too :)
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<LinuxUser> @Begasus Perhaps, i'll build it
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<Begasus> LinuxUser, build is running atm here
<Begasus> Waiting for the next error :)
<LinuxUser> I'm waiting too
<LinuxUser> @Begasus thank you for your help! :)
<Begasus> no problem, no guaranty it will work though ;)
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<LinuxUser> @Begasus your OS and community is amazing!
<Begasus> Hence some of us have been around for over 20 years ;)
<Begasus> PS LinuxUser I'm from Belgium :)
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<LinuxUser> @Begasus I stucked on Checking for python support
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<Begasus> --disable-python (iirc)
<Begasus> check "./configure --help"
<LinuxUser> ok, i'll try
<LinuxUser> argument works
<Begasus> ;)
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<LinuxUser> Your os has amazing design
<Begasus> Tell that to the main dev's :)
<LinuxUser> Do you know where is i from?
<Begasus> Russia, you told earlier
<LinuxUser> @begasus who is your main dev?
<Begasus> It's a team effort :)
<LinuxUser> Yep! i passed configure phase!
<Begasus> hehe
<LinuxUser> but i got error at the second phase
<Begasus> which one?
<LinuxUser> kmk: no rule to make //tools/zip.kmk. stop.
<Begasus> do you have libzip installed?
<LinuxUser> no
<Begasus> perhaps install it (and the devel package also), then rerun configure
<Begasus> you probably need to install the Qt packages also
<LinuxUser> i installed qt
<Begasus> +1
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<Begasus> You can start the build also with "kmk KBUILD_VERBOSE=2"
<LinuxUser> is it required?
<LinuxUser> @Begasus +1 what does it mean?
<LinuxUser> @Begasus you are very smart :)
<LinuxUser> I've got a question: Why did your channel transferred from freenode to OFTC? Interesting, Why
<LinuxUser> @Begasus error the same :((
<Begasus> because of the switch inside freenode members
<LinuxUser> error the same
<Begasus> strange don't have that error here
<LinuxUser> you're building it too??
<Begasus> but not using the latest version (grabbed latest stable 32bit)
<Begasus> yep, build has been running already for a while
<LinuxUser> are you on haiku?
<Begasus_32> I am here :)
<LinuxUser> i know
<LinuxUser> what i should do next?
<Begasus> search the net, maybe someone else had the same problem?
<Begasus_32> Build running in Terminal: https://ibb.co/ZBDKtkN
<LinuxUser> @Begasus you have second nickname?
<LinuxUser> Huh! You used virtualbox version 5.2.44 i used version 6.1.36
<Begasus> Begasus_32, is the other me (that one is running Haiku)
<Begasus> And yes 5.2.44 is the latest stable 32bit
<LinuxUser> Maybe i must try version 5.2.44?
<Begasus> You could, I just grabbed it as a check
<LinuxUser> If you can - write when you will compile it successfully.
<LinuxUser> There is vbox guest additions for haiku in haikudepot
<Begasus> If you could install haikuporter/haikuports you could grab that and just extract not build it
<LinuxUser> yes i can
<Begasus> Yeah, but that package doesn't provide the source
<LinuxUser> i dont know to use haikuporter
<LinuxUser> @begasus i dont need source
<Begasus_32> kmk: *** No rule to make target '/Opslag/wip/VirtualBox-5.2.44/src/VBox/HostDrivers/Support/haiku/SUPLib-haiku.cpp', needed by '/Opslag/wip/VirtualBox-5.2.44/out/haiku.x86/release/obj/SUPR3/haiku/SUPLib-haiku.o'. Stop
<Begasus> bugger
<LinuxUser> i just need to run it
<Begasus> You can't run it if you can't build it :)
<Begasus> the add-ons are somewhat broken iirc also
<LinuxUser> i'll try to build 5.2.44 version
<LinuxUser> @Begasus Your build process failed?
<Begasus> yes :/
<LinuxUser> is this mean that there is NO WAY to run vbox?
<Begasus> As I mentioned earlier :/
<LinuxUser> oh, no!
<LinuxUser> Sadly, very sadly... :((((((((
<LinuxUser> Is there a way to run vmware player on haiku? or not?
<Begasus> Well, I can live without it :)
<Begasus> nope
<Begasus> same thing I imagine
<LinuxUser> but why qemu is too slow?
<Begasus> Any reason why you want to run it anyway?
<Begasus> Don't know, don't use virtualization on Haiku
<LinuxUser> I love virtual machines very much..
<LinuxUser> And in future i want to install haiku on my host
<Begasus> Yeah, and they can be fun to work in, but if I do it's on Linux or Windows
<Begasus> How do you run Haiku now?
<LinuxUser> QEMU VM through termux and vnc on android
<Begasus> 0_°
<Begasus> That's quite a setup :)
<LinuxUser> With command: qemu-system-x86_64 -vnc :2 -hda haiku.qcow -m 1024 -boot c
<LinuxUser> fun fact: when i ran my vm on pc with vbox i can install macos :)
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] jessicah pushed 1 commit to master [hrev56362] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=bf4748d695c2+%5Ea028a54e529b
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] bf4748d695c2 - libroot: fix build, as asctime[_r] not replaced in hrev56361.
<LinuxUser> @Begasus how can i use haikuporter?
<LinuxUser> no, i need now to install recipe using haikuporter
<Begasus> All recipes are gathered in haikuports, also mentioned in the link
<LinuxUser> ok
<Begasus> if you installed haikuporter with pkgman then you only need to clone haikuports I think (always clone them here)
<LinuxUser> i've got question: for what reason you installed haiku?
<Begasus> As some of us we started out with BeOS, and stuck around after that
<LinuxUser> ok
<Begasus> Easy to use, fast (enough for me), stable (enough for me), fun to work in and create packages :)
<LinuxUser> what are you doing in haiku now?
<Begasus> The community has been around for decades, has always been a major thing
<Begasus> Extrackting the add-ons currently in haikuports
<LinuxUser> ))))))))))))
<Begasus> on 32bit latest usuable is 5.1.6 ;)
<LinuxUser> vbox sources have got too much file i'm waiting while they are deleting
<Begasus> You haven't even started to build/clean texlive packages, that's a monster! :P
<LinuxUser> huh, i'm a beginner in haiku
<Begasus> jessicah, knows, she did the first port :)
<Begasus> Right, if you are willing to try out haikuporter there are some small projects you can build with it
<Begasus> Some used to guide students during GCI
<LinuxUser> i think haiku the best os for my old pentium d pc :DD
<Begasus> Nice! Don't have state of the art laptops here also :)
<jessicah> Begasus: many, many, many hours of building...
<Begasus> heh
<Begasus> I think the first time it took me about 2 days on my HW jessicah :)
<LinuxUser> i like that haiku is small in size it tooks around 300 megabytes after clean install
<jessicah> I think it was slightly less for me, but still monstrous hours each time
<Begasus> Right, that's why I made backups after each succesfull buid
<Begasus> Now I can check them out (even did a check with it in Geany)
<LinuxUser> Huh, my old pc has to oses windows xp(yes, yes) and linux mint 18
<Begasus> Perfect for Haiku LinuxUser :D
<LinuxUser> I know how i set up sound on my old pc in linux mint through OSS )
<Begasus> Maybe not the fastest but still fun
<LinuxUser> no, it the fastest os in the world :))
<Begasus> I meant the PC ;)
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<LinuxUser> sorry, my linux was frozen, so i reconnected to irc
<Begasus> heh, got that sometimes on this one (Ubuntu) also
<LinuxUser> i can't understand haikuporter's help
<Begasus> Just ask :)
<LinuxUser> how to build recipe with it
<LinuxUser> i want to try to build recipe that you sent to me with this tool
<Begasus> try with something small like "haikuporter weather"
<Begasus> haikuports follows gentoo packages layout, so all recipes are in subfolders: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports
<Begasus> for instance, this is the one for weather: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/tree/master/haiku-apps/weather
<LinuxUser> hmm i got error no such file or directory /boot/home/haikuports/packages
<LinuxUser> @Begasus Will you be tomorrow on irc?
<jessicah> you need to create the config file
<jessicah> there's a sample one in the haikuporter folder
<Begasus> thought so jessicah
<jessicah> you copy it into ~/config/settings/haikuports.conf, iirc
<Begasus> also when you install haikuporter with pkgman?
<jessicah> no idea
<LinuxUser> before upgrading to nightly version
<jessicah> you'll still need a config file either way
<Begasus> me neither :)
<Begasus> still on Beta3 LinuxUser ?
<Begasus> ps, yes, should be around tomorrow
<LinuxUser> i dont have haukuports folder
<Begasus> then you didn't clone it
<LinuxUser> im on haiku hrev56350
<Begasus> k, same here
<Begasus> if you want to update your nightly (use at risk because updates can brake some things)
<Begasus> use "pkgman full-sync"
<Begasus> at least that's how I update here
<LinuxUser> i already upgraded
<Begasus> jessicah, updating is broken atm?
<Begasus> haven't seen a hrev update for a bit
<jessicah> think builders are down
<Begasus> ah right, hence no mention of them building in the other channel
<LinuxUser> @Begasus i just need to clone it and build it?
<LinuxUser> good bye! I'll back tomorrow!
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<Not-ff83> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+3/-3/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/a1c4a81cbe90...e32071ab52eb
<Not-ff83> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes e32071a - Telegram: bump version
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<LinuxUser> i'l, try haikuporter tomorrow
<m[m]123456789> LinuxUser: good luck :)
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<andreasdr[m]> Hi whats uppp? Any gtk wayland news? :D
<andreasdr[m]> I am just super curious.
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<x512[m]> More people managed to build it.
<andreasdr[m]> Nice!!!
<Begasus> great x512[m]
<Begasus> was looking into the error I get on 32bit and with haikuporter, maybe it's related to gdk-pixbuf?
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<Begasus> biab
<rennj> the edge case
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<rennj> https://youtu.be/1Kvi56KgWas using a 1981 pc / 2022 demoscene crazy!
<rennj> This demo runs on an original IBM PC 5150 @with 4.77MHz with 640kb of RAM and an IBM CGA graphics card.
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<m[m]123456789> that's impressive!
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<nephele> hi
<nephele> mbrumbelow: compile it, and then copy it over to non-packaged
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<Begasus> heading down, cu peeps!
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<rennj> grrr
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<JayF> Hey, I'm trying to get booted into haiku OS on actual hardware -- an AMD 5950x with an AMD video card, too. I tried both CSM and UEFI mode, but both instances, it booted to the boot logo and froze
<JayF> I might try fresh media? I got this DVD from Linux Pro Magazine...
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