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<sayan>
Hi All,I am interested in the Haiku project and looking forward to contribute to it. I am currently going through the various resources provided in the Haiku website to prep myself up for discussion regarding contribution.
<sayan>
I have a question. I went through the FAQs in the Haiku website where it is clearly mentioned about the advantages of Haiku with respect to Linux. Can anyone tell me why a Windows user would like to use Haiku ?
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<Begasus>
Because it's a fun project (guess the same advantages with respect to Linux would be the same vs Windows? - haven't looked there)
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<Begasus>
wb LinuxUser
<Begasus>
sayan, Haiku is a volunteer project, so most of the main developers are working on it on their own free time, for now there is only 1 payed developer
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<ralfwause>
sayan: As a guy using haiku now for a few years i can tell you my perspective: Its a nice really, really fast (even on my old Core2Duo Laptop) OS that focusses to be a single user desktop OS instead of a multi-user server derivated system... it has a 'fluidity' in its use that i haven't seen since the days of Windows 98 / Windows NT
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<LinuxUser>
yeh my pc has core2duo too :)
<LinuxUser>
yes it really good
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<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] cd5f6f250289 - kernel/arm: fix system_time for generic timer
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<Begasus>
k, zathura up and running, but missing plugins, that not for today :)
<Begasus>
that's*
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<qwebirc25831>
hello please I can't compile haikuwebkit because of out of memory error. HW: 64 bit bare metal, qemu, haiku r1beta3 32 bit. Qemu is configured so that Haiku can allocate 7.7 GB RAM (probably 32 bit version is limited to 4 GB RAM. Looks like compiling crashes when reaching this memory limit). What is please your recommendation ?
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<Begasus>
Guess some of the guys working on it are not around atm qwebirc25831
<qwebirc25831>
no problem. I just wanted try to ask before replace 32bit haiku by 64 bit version.
<qwebirc25831>
are there please big differences in disk space requirement between 32 bit and 64 bit compiling / running app. ?
<B2IA>
(AGMS) They are about the same size, 64 and 32 bit Haiku. Just means you won't be able to run old BeOS programs.
<Begasus>
Don't think so, I switch both arch's all the time, only diff I see that it's faster building on 64bit then 32bit
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<qwebirc25831>
well thank you
<Begasus>
and yes, think I saw some mentions about the 4GB limit on 32bit (but don't take my word for it) :)
<qwebirc25831>
ok :)
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<B2IA>
(AGMS) It's more like a 2GB limit on 32 bit Haiku, the kernel takes up 1GB of the memory map, the next GB I vaguely recall is for shared memory areas, but I could be wrong.
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<cocobean>
qwebirc25831: Normally, 4GB RAM on x86 will compile haikuwebkit.
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<qwebirc25831>
cocobean: well, so what is wrong ? Can I regenerate config files and rebuild project ?
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<cocobean>
Just restart it. Mainly, monitor the memory and disk usage. If building the latest haikuwebkit (WebKit 614.x), it requires a recent nightly Haiku image.
<cocobean>
(like Haiku hrev56350)
<Begasus>
last one for today
<Begasus>
hi cocobean
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<cocobean>
Oh.. are you building with haikuporter or a manual build?
<Begasus>
You only need to do this for haiku's repository (not for haikuports)
<qwebirc25831>
using instruction on haikuwebkit github page - so manual build (?)
<cocobean>
OK, see the link posted above by Begasus.
<qwebirc25831>
ok thank you
<cocobean>
Only do it if you want the nightly build (which is dev/aplha-beta (non-stable) stuff!!
<cocobean>
)
<cocobean>
;)
<cocobean>
Otherwise, don't do it. (note: disclaimer)
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<qwebirc25831>
Ok, damage would be no problem. (I want build haikuwebkit so I need nightly build of Haiku. )
<cocobean>
Oh.. and with the 4GB limiter... you should see 'past' 4GB mem avail when you set >4GB RAM elsewhere. <-----
<cocobean>
(I mean.. you should not see past 4GB RAM avail)
<qwebirc25831>
well
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<cocobean>
NOte: Also, ensure you are using the "setarch x86" environment,
<cocobean>
gotta run
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<qwebirc25831>
ok thank you
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<Begasus>
qwebirc25831, you can switch compiler on 32bit as cocobean mentioned, default on 32bit is gcc 2.9.*, if you use "setarch x86" in Terminal you can use the latest gcc version
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<Begasus>
latest "available" gcc version for Haiku :)
<qwebirc25831>
I'm sorry I don't know how set "setarch x86" environment
<Begasus>
you got a Terminal open?
<qwebirc25831>
yes
<Begasus>
try "gcc --version" (iirc)
<qwebirc25831>
2.95.3-h...2017 7 20
<Begasus>
ok
<Begasus>
now type "setarch x86"
<Begasus>
and try "gcc --version" again
<Begasus>
think it should be something like 11.2.*
<qwebirc25831>
yes it is
<Begasus>
ok, now you switched to the new compiler
<qwebirc25831>
ok
<Begasus>
so your build will use gcc 11.2.* instead of 2.95.*
<qwebirc25831>
I'm doing upgrade from new repo but it freezes
<qwebirc25831>
well thank you
<Begasus>
you will have to do this every time you launch a Terminal :)
<qwebirc25831>
ok :)
<Begasus>
My main architecture I'm building on is also 32bit, whenever I try something new I always do a check in Terminal and use the new compiler (no need for new stuff to keep using the older one)
<Begasus>
I don't know haikuwebkit, never tried to build that monster myself though :) (so can't tell the dependencies there)
<qwebirc25831>
ok
<qwebirc25831>
I need to do something with frozen updater
<Begasus>
you launched the GUI?
<Begasus>
In Deskbar (the menu with the leave) you should see ProcessControler, you can kill the process there
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<Begasus>
k, heading out here
<Begasus>
if SoftwareUpdater isn't running and you switched repo for Haiku you can also update in Terminal with "pkgman full-sync" (maybe something is blocking the update that isn't reported by SoftwareUpdate)
<Begasus>
Good luck qwebirc25831, I'm sure other can guide you further here
<Begasus>
cu !
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<qwebirc25831>
ok
<qwebirc25831>
yes gui
<qwebirc25831>
thank you
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<lubo76>
Hello boys. Is there any problem with Taskmanager in 32 bit Haiku?
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<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] a4dfc6aa74eb - app_server: fix deadlock in GlyphLayoutEngine
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<n0toose[m]>
Hey, friend is trying to virtualize Haiku on QEMU/KVM under QXL and it only boots with 2048x2048 under the framebuffer driver. It did work normally like a couple of weeks ago
<waddlesplash>
what's "normally"?
<waddlesplash>
the framebuffer driver is used in EFI mode
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<qwebirc22363>
I'm sorry still can't compile haikuwebkit due to OOM
<nephele>
how much RAM do you have?
<qwebirc22363>
8 GB
<nephele>
how many jobs do you use then? try 4 jobs at most, and if you for some reason disabled swap reenable it :)
<waddlesplash>
or use 1-2 jobs
<qwebirc22363>
excuse me I'm new I don't know what a job is
<qwebirc22363>
I'll look at doc
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<nephele>
-j
<nephele>
as argument to ninja
<nephele>
it tells it how many compilers and such it may run in parralel
<qwebirc22363>
well thank you (I was using PKG_CONFIG_LIBDIR=/boot/system/develop/lib/x86/pkgconfig CC=gcc-x86 CXX=g++-x86 Tools/Scripts/build-webkit --cmakeargs="-DCMAKE_AR=/bin/ar-x86 -DCMAKE_RANLIB=/bin/ranlib-x86" --haiku
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<nephele>
qwebirc22363: try to add -j4 to the end of the qoute in cmakeargs then