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<erysdren> im still thinking a lot about giving Haiku a fair shot at daily driving
<erysdren> I don't know many people here do that, but i've used it in QEMU (coming from Linux) and I like it a lot
<augiedoggie> i'm one step closer to having it be my primary now that i've written a tool to rotate my backgrounds :P
<jessicah> oh nice
<jessicah> I've a huge curated list of backgrounds that I rotate on Windows
<jessicah> although can't set the interval too short, as rotating background on windows kinda locks up UWP apps
<jessicah> be nice to have something for haiku :D
<augiedoggie> i set the interval pretty short while testing and noticed that ram usage went crazy
<jessicah> haha, it didn't free the previous background?
<augiedoggie> i think Tracker/app_server is leaking memory on change
<jessicah> or is the usage in tracker?
<augiedoggie> hard to say, they both show a lot of memory in use, and there is quite a bit taken by the "system resources & caches"
<augiedoggie> i haven't tried to debug it at all
<jessicah> maybe file cache doesn't empty?
<augiedoggie> yeah, i've seen the memory usage drop occasionally, but it's still abnormally large
<jessicah> although I've got absolutely no knowledge of our various caching layers :p
<augiedoggie> when it resizes a shared area or something?
<jessicah> linky to script? :D
<jessicah> tool*
<augiedoggie> i haven't pushed it yet, it's a command line tool and a ruby script
<augiedoggie> although i have some simple shell scripts hiding
<jessicah> I've got almost 6gigs of background images on my PC :p
<Skipp_OSX> the team icon cache does not empty
<augiedoggie> looks like i forgot to remove one of the cmake files from it
<Skipp_OSX> although no that's in Deskbar and hasn't been submitted yet so nvm
<augiedoggie> i'm switching it over to jam since it's simple enough
<Skipp_OSX> if Tracker is leaking memory on change it would have to be because of thumbnails but I'm pretty sure it deletes and rebuilds the attributes correctly
<augiedoggie> i'm not sure what a desktop change has to do with thumbnails
<Skipp_OSX> like workspace change?
<Skipp_OSX> what desktop change?
<augiedoggie> wallpaper change
<Skipp_OSX> wallpaper ok
<Skipp_OSX> no clue there that hasn't changed in ages
<Skipp_OSX> I believe it is in Tracker it's the DesktopWindow class
<augiedoggie> jessicah: i forgot, it requires popt/popt_devel
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
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<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+3/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/7fd093ac36b9...8b02a304ed07
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 8b02a30 - 54321 (#8643)
<Begasus> there, been sitting long enough in my branches :)
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<BrunoSpr> Hi Diver... Is a .conf file the same as a .txt file?
<BrunoSpr> or has it it's own mime-typ?
<Diver> hi, normally .conf files are just text files
<BrunoSpr> yes, thanks that what I was thinking.
<BrunoSpr> Hello all... sorry
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<Begasus> Hi BrunoSpr Diver
<Diver> hi Begasus
<Begasus> Something strange (still investigating), launching TuxPaint from the Deskbar menu is fine, launching it from the recent applications in Deskbar doesn't seem to work?
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<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+4/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/8b02a304ed07...407b481e4318
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 407b481 - tuxpaint, add RC1 for version 0.9.30 (#8644)
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<erysdren> what's the status of Haiku and OpenGL 4+?
<erysdren> i'm thinking of porting the "Ironwail" Quake sourceport to Haiku
<erysdren> which specifically uses a bunch of OGL 4+ features to make it run as fast as possible
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<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/407b481e4318...8671caf54750
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 8671caf - autoconf_archive, bump version (#8646)
<SamuraiCrow[m]> <erysdren> "what's the status of Haiku and..." <- Up-to-date Mesa support but no graphics drivers yet, just software rendering.
<SamuraiCrow[m]> At least in the current beta, that is. There is an experimental Radeon driver somewhere.
<braewoods_> Chances are you'd probably need some way to reuse Linux driver code to realistically implement GPU support without a lot of hassle on Haiku. I think that's what FreeBSD does if I recall.
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<HaikuUser2> Hi folks. I'm taking a stab at building WordTsar on Haiku. Things seem to be going along fine, but I've encountered a file not found with /boot/system/develop/headers/gnu/stdlib.h. It's failing on line 13, which is #include_next <stdlib.h>
<HaikuUser2> I'm not really sure where to go from here.
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<augiedoggie> it might help to see the full log, including what flags are being passed to gcc
<Diver> HaikuUser2: do you have haiku_devel package installed? /system/develop/headers/gnu/stdlib.h is part of it
<HaikuUser2> Yes, I do have it installed. And that stdlib.h file is there.
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<HaikuUser2> It should be noted that it's a Qt application, so I'm probably doing something wrong from the get-go.
<Diver> have you updated system packages? may need a reboot
<HaikuUser2> No, haven't updated anything in a few days.
<HaikuUser2> make
<HaikuUser2> g++ -c src/core/codepage/cp437.cpp -iquote./ -iquotesrc/ -iquotesrc/core/codepage/ -iquotesrc/core/document/ -iquotesrc/core/editor/ -iquotesrc/core/utils/ -iquotesrc/files/ -iquotesrc/files/rtf/read/ -iquotesrc/files/rtf/write/ -iquotesrc/gui/ -iquotesrc/gui/dialogs/ -iquotesrc/gui/editor/ -iquotesrc/gui/layout/ -iquotesrc/gui/misc/ -iquotesrc/gui/print/ -iquotesrc/gui/ruler/ -iquotesrc/gui/spellcheck/
<HaikuUser2> -iquotesrc/third-party/simpleini -iquotesrc/third-party/utf8proc-2.5.0/bench -iquotesrc/third-party/utf8proc-2.5.0/test -iquotesrc/third-party/utf8proc-2.5.0 -iquotesrc/third-party/zip -isystem/boot/system/develop/headers/be -isystem/boot/system/develop/headers/cpp -isystem/boot/system/develop/headers/posix -O0 -o "objects.x86_64-cc11-release/cp437.o"
<HaikuUser2> -iquotesrc/core/utils -iquotesrc/files -iquotesrc/files/rtf/read -iquotesrc/files/rtf/write -iquotesrc/gui/dialogs -iquotesrc/gui/editor -iquotesrc/gui/layout -iquotesrc/gui/misc -iquotesrc/gui/print -iquotesrc/gui/ruler -iquotesrc/gui/spellcheck -iquotesrc/gui -iquotesrc/input -iquotesrc -iquotesrc/test -iquotesrc/third-party/cpp-unicodelib/test -iquotesrc/third-party/exprtk -iquotesrc/third-party/pugixml
<HaikuUser2> -iquotesrc/input/ -iquotesrc/test/ -iquotesrc/third-party/cpp-unicodelib/test/ -iquotesrc/third-party/exprtk/ -iquotesrc/third-party/pugixml/ -iquotesrc/third-party/simpleini/ -iquotesrc/third-party/utf8proc-2.5.0/ -iquotesrc/third-party/utf8proc-2.5.0/bench/ -iquotesrc/third-party/utf8proc-2.5.0/test/ -iquotesrc/third-party/zip/ -iquote. -iquotesrc/core/codepage -iquotesrc/core/document -iquotesrc/core/editor
<HaikuUser2> In file included from /boot/system/develop/headers/bsd/stdlib.h:9,
<HaikuUser2> from /boot/system/develop/tools/lib/gcc/x86_64-unknown-haiku/11.2.0/include/c++/cstdlib:75,
<HaikuUser2> from /boot/system/develop/tools/lib/gcc/x86_64-unknown-haiku/11.2.0/include/c++/ext/string_conversions.h:41,
<HaikuUser2> from /boot/system/develop/tools/lib/gcc/x86_64-unknown-haiku/11.2.0/include/c++/bits/basic_string.h:6607,
<HaikuUser2> from /boot/system/develop/tools/lib/gcc/x86_64-unknown-haiku/11.2.0/include/c++/string:55,
<HaikuUser2> from ./src/core/document/doctstructs.h:26,
<HaikuUser2> from src/core/codepage/cp437.h:5,
<HaikuUser2> from src/core/codepage/cp437.cpp:6:
<HaikuUser2> /boot/system/develop/headers/gnu/stdlib.h:13:15: fatal error: stdlib.h: No such file or directory
<HaikuUser2> 13 | #include_next <stdlib.h>
<HaikuUser2> | ^~~~~~~~~~
<HaikuUser2> compilation terminated.
<HaikuUser2> Is the entire thing.
<nielx[m]> I have the same thing including <stdexcept>
<nielx[m]> did not get around to investigating it further
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<augiedoggie> seems like isystem changes the precedence, but i don't see those commands while trying to build wordtsar
<HaikuUser2> Interesting. I used Paladin to build a makefile. Maybe that's why?
<HaikuUser2> How did you get it to compile?
<augiedoggie> cd src; qmake ..; make -j8
<HaikuUser2> Yeah, that's much better. Thanks! Now I'll go read up more on Qt things. I really appreciate your help.
<augiedoggie> :)
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<Begasus> closing down for today, cu peeps!
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<dovsienko> hello all
<dovsienko> PulkoMandy: thank you for trying to progress that ioctl() header issue, it turned out to be more convoluted than seemed originally
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<dovsienko> I wonder why every once in a while Haiku chokes whilst trying to receive from the network, typically when I am running "git pull" or "pkgman update"
<dovsienko> when this happens, one CPU core is 100% busy with what seems to be the [virtual] network card driver
<dovsienko> in VirtualBox the NIC is "PCnet-FAST III" as recommended on the web site (AFAIR)
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<waddlesplash> dovsienko: it's not
<waddlesplash> we recommend ipro1000. PCnet devices on VBox usually cause problems
<waddlesplash> they also do on FreeBSD apparently, not just us
<dovsienko> indeed https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/virtualizing/virtualbox/ tells to use i1000 and has been this way for a while, I wonder where did I find that other document that instructed to set it to pcnet
<dovsienko> (because it is ipro1000 by default)
<dovsienko> waddlesplash: thanks
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<mbrumbelow> waddlesplash: I selected “Professional use” as well 🙂
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<erysdren> hmm, i can't seem to get the haiku-crosstools working very well on my Arch machine
<erysdren> the install script is meant for a docker machine, and it makes some assumptions about the structure of the installed tools
<erysdren> i guess i should just... use docker
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