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<erysdren> anyone know of any good viewing or reading material about the history of BeOS?
<erysdren> im interesting in learning about the history of the company and OS
<Habbie> the wikipedia article isn't bad
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<Ampilin> Saludos desde Uruguay
<Ampilin> Suarez Cavani
<Ampilin> vamos nosotros!!
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<zdykstra> Hey habbie
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<erysdren> i wonder if the Ripcord client could be ported to Haiku
<erysdren> sadly its closed source, but you can buy(?) access to the source
<erysdren> i think there's much better luck of that running on Haiku as opposed to the electron client
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<zdykstra> Ripcord hasn't seen a release in a few years now
<zdykstra> wee-slack works quite well, if you don't mind living in a terminal
<zdykstra> I use it for the days that I work from Haiku
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<trungnt2910[m]> Discord API is simple. Might not be too hard to get one working if you know the Haiku API.
<trungnt2910[m]> Might be something to do after I get the .NET bindings done.
<erysdren> perhaps yeah
<erysdren> if i could use Discord on Haiku that'd be like 50% of what i need
<erysdren> since all my friends are there
<OscarL> pfff, friends are overrated! :-P
<erysdren> :P
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
<OscarL> hey there Begasus.
<Begasus> Hola OscarL
<Begasus> thanks on the comments :)
<erysdren> good morning
<Begasus> g'morning erysdren
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<OscarL> Begasus: np! A bit of a head spinner, truth to be told (the dependency thing on hatchling).
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<Begasus> bit of a mess :)
<Begasus> but got bs4 build for the latest version with it :)
<OscarL> nice.
<OscarL> oof, sorry you had to deal with JIRA on that ICU PR! /me doesn't wishes JIRA even to his worse enemies.
<Begas_VM> yeah, one downside to have to deal with that, but heck someone has to :)
<Begas_VM> need to finish that up now though
<OscarL> we're lucky to have you!
<Begas_VM> pssst :)
<OscarL> seems you forgot to git commit --amend to add the JIRA ticket number there! tsss, tsss! :-P
<Begas_VM> they didn't complain :)
<OscarL> the checker thing did.
<OscarL> "Some checks were not successful" -> "Merging is blocked"
<Begasus> think it needs updating: https://unicode-org.atlassian.net/browse/ICU-22392
<win8linux[m]> <erysdren> "if i could use Discord on..." <- It is possible to use Discord on Haiku, to some extent:
<OscarL> gah!! Managed to avoid ever being RickRolled, only to be JIRARolled instead ;-(
<OscarL> damn... I forgot how slow atlassian sites are from down here.
<erysdren> wow, i did not even think to try Discord in WebPositive
<erysdren> i thought it just wouldn't work
<erysdren> i bet it'd work okay in Epiphany as well
<Begas_VM> OscarL any reason why to add the versioning in the hatchling recipe?
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<OscarL> just to see if it work.
<OscarL> seems it does.
<Begas_VM> heh
<Begas_VM> indeed, should I keep them?
<OscarL> (and because we might actually start using them)
<OscarL> I think so. That way, if we get conficting requirements due to version mismatch, at least we'll know by just reading the recipes...
<OscarL> and not having to go hunting down config/code files.
<Begas_VM> well for the most of them we only provide 1 package, downside is keeping version string uptodate on a new version imho
<Begas_VM> hence I don't use those often
<Begas_VM> heh, need to fill in the blanks on that recipe too
<OscarL> only need to update versions them if something breaks, I would expect? (thanks to the ">=", mostly).
<Begas_VM> "importlib-metadata; python_version < '3.8'",
<Begas_VM> should that be included?
<OscarL> no.
<Begas_VM> k :)
<OscarL> because the hatchling recipe doesn't provides py 3.8 package.
<OscarL> so that dependency (only necessary for 3.8)... is not needed.
<OscarL> (that's a nice feature of Python dependeny declarations)
<Begas_VM> too many of those :P
<OscarL> I think pkgman could use something similar, would simplify some logic, and make depenencies more accurate. Oh well...
<OscarL> in any case.... if the versions bother you too much, remove them. We can try to come up with a consensus in the future.
<Begas_VM> it won't harm for now
<OscarL> (we could use some cleanup in the way we package/name python things :-D)
<Begas_VM> after this I need to cleanup the generic ones :)
* OscarL is working on updating hstr from 2.6 to 3.1 now.
<OscarL> had to report some issue upstream, rework most of our patchset, but seems to be working at least.
<OscarL> (need to do more testing to see if it finally works OK with zsh, and not only with bash).
<Begasus> bash is good enough for me :)
<Begasus> hatchling PR updated, hope I got everything
<OscarL> checking.
<OscarL> I *think* there's a way to avoid having to use that ugly $pypiVersion for the SOURCE_URI, but I keep forgetting about it...
<OscarL> let me see if I can find it.
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<Begasus> hmm .... could use the one from github probably
<OscarL> you have an extra space at the beggining of lines 34 and 42 (space then tabs).
<Begas_VM> ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'hatchling'
<Begas_VM> so the one from github didn't work ...
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<OscarL> SOURCE_URI="https://files.pythonhosted.org/packages/source/m/$portName/$portName-$portVersion.tar.gz"
<OscarL> errh...
<OscarL> SOURCE_URI="https://files.pythonhosted.org/packages/source/h/$portName/$portName-$portVersion.tar.gz"
<OscarL> yup, that worked.
<OscarL> Begas_VM: think the generic URI for those would be: SOURCE_URI="https://files.pythonhosted.org/packages/source/${portName:0:1}/$portName/$portName-$portVersion.tar.gz"
<OscarL> might be good candidate for inclusion on your templates :-D
<OscarL> (at least for the "any" ones)
<augiedoggie> $portName is dangerous to use because it changes
<OscarL> should fix old recipes then, because that's used in several places (mutagen, for example)
<OscarL> shouldn't HP have some "$canonicalPorName" that doesn't changes?
<OscarL> *Port, even :-D
<Begas_VM> $portName is only good for "any" arch
<Begas_VM> so for a generic one not really suited
<OscarL> One could argue that most python packages are "any" :-P, but Ok... adding to the ToDO list to nag HP people about a $portNameForRealz :-P
<Begas_VM> python yes, but not all depending libraries are :P
<Begasus> changes pushed
<Begas_VM> k, how do I update my branch now after included your suggestions on the generic ones OscarL? :)
<OscarL> doesn't that applies commits to your fork/branch?
<Begasus> yeah, remote, still need to get them local
<OscarL> if so, I guess you should just git pull no?
<Begas_VM> :O (stupid me) :)
<OscarL> (git pull <remote> <branch> ?)
<Begas_VM> git a "git status" that didn't show anything, good now :)
<Begas_VM> templates updated now
<Begas_VM> k, let's fix neon first
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<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/560b9bdc0655...e714bec19dd8
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus e714bec - hatchling, new python recipe (#8675)
<Begasus> thanks :)
<OscarL> Thanks to you, Begasus! (for your patience/mentoring while I try to learn these things :-D)
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<Begas_VM> same goes there OscarL :)
<Begas_VM> there/here* :)
<Begas_VM> need to restore older neon (for gcc2)
<OscarL> what needs it in gcc2 form?
<Begas_VM> musicbrainz -> army-knife
<OscarL> can't we switch Army-Knife to x86?
<Begas_VM> problem 1: nothing provides lib:libneon>=27.4.1 needed by musicbrainz-5.1.0-3
<Begas_VM> haven't checked there :)
<OscarL> armyknife available in 64 bits, so, it might just work as-is on x86 gcc11 ?
<Begas_VM> that's an option too
<OscarL> and we avoid having an older dependecy just for that one app... but I'm known to be too quick to retire things :-D
<Begas_VM> grabbing armyknife_x86-5.1.2-1-x86_gcc2.hpkg and moving it to /boot/home/haikuports/packages/armyknife_x86-5.1.2-1-x86_gcc2.hpkg
<Begas_VM> launches OK
<Begas_VM> need to grab some mp3 somewhere ...
<Begas_VM> CCR .. always nice :)
<Begas_VM> seems to be finee
* OscarL remembers buying some Creedence cassette as a gift to my father :-D
<OscarL> (around 3 decades ago, geez)
<Begasus> Still got some LP's around here (somewhere)
<OscarL> nice!
<Begas_VM> wondered why the build failed for musicbrainz yesterday, already had a fix here (but pushed revbump from Windows) :)
<OscarL> lol, I ended up with >20 bs4 "obsoleted" packages after trying a few versions of beautifulsoup :-D
<Begas_VM> cleanup! :P
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<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/e714bec19dd8...c9b3bff71618
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus c9b3bff - musicbrainz, build fix, drop x86_gcc2 (#8679)
<Begasus> moin jmairboeck
<jmairboeck> Goeiemorgen Begasus :)
<jmairboeck> did I write that correct?
<Begas_VM> Goedemorgen (almost) :) Dank je!
<OscarL> do we endup with /bin/musicbrainz_x86 instead of /bin/musicbrainz ? ಠ_ಠ
<Begas_VM> err ... there is no binary OscarL
<OscarL> duh... no bin there. /me slaps himself
<Begas_VM> heh
<Begas_VM> it's using $prefix, so needs the suffix for the lib path
<Begasus> ok on buildmaster ... now ...
<OscarL> Still get confused by those (and have to either run my fake_hp, or reall hp with a "null_recipe" I have that only echoes said variables :-D
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/c9b3bff71618...4ae60dbd20f4
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 4ae60db - armyknife, switch so gcc11 (#8680)
<Begasus> if those sources supply GNUInstallDirs it's mostly easy, just use cmakeDirArgs
<Begasus> not all do, and not all supply LIB_SUFFIX :)
<OscarL> Begasus: Have you tried Koder 0.6? do you still have the issue where ESC does not closes the Find dialog?
<Begasus> saw your comment
<Begasus> sec
<Begas_VM> problem 1: nothing provides scintilla_x86_lexers needed by koder_x86-0.5.4-3
<Begas_VM> guess koder needs to be rebuild for 32bit
<Begas_VM> after scintilla fix
<OscarL> yup.
<OscarL> I also found this, while trying to update koder: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/18419
<jmairboeck> With Scintilla 5, the lexers have been moved to a different library called Lexilla, that's why there were also some packaging changes
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/4ae60dbd20f4...c3330bcc1ff8
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus c3330bc - koder, revbump after scintilla fix on 32bit (#8681)
<Begasus> will see in a bit here :)
<Begas_VM> Esc key not working confirmed OscarL
<OscarL> Thanks, that rules out something wrong on my end. Well, besides my brain, of course :-D
<Begas_VM> heh
<Begas_VM> time to check the proposel for icu73
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<Begas_VM> build still fine :)
<pairisto[m]> I used the command `jam -q -j2 @nightly-anyboot` and got this error:... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/PlEpdEGGkETAjAFKshvBcMCS>)
<pairisto[m]> I have also already tried git pull --rebase
<PulkoMandy> Are you sure there are no other errors earlier in the build?
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<pairisto[m]> when I scrolled back up there were none, I reconfigured it and I am trying it again so I'll let you know if there are any other errors
<Begasus> OscarL, something for you :)
<Begasus> pyqt_builder_python38-1.7.0-3-any.hpkg:
<Begasus> requires "sip_python38" of package "pyqt_builder_python38-1.7.0-3" could not be resolved
<OscarL> Will take a look at it tonight.
<Begasus> thanks :)
<Begasus> waddlesplash, "requires "lib:libx11_xcb >= 1.0.0" thinking about disabling the affected X11 libraries to clean up some in the reports, so far neither of those can be installed and looking for things that "could" get fixed makes it harder to search for them, any thoughts?
<OscarL> Begasus: hstr PR updated (got carried away while removing stuff, and as it worked on 64 bits... :-D). Seems fine on 32 bits now. (hope I didn't break 64 bits.. getting tired already).
<Begasus> checking ...
<Begasus> sure about sbindir?
<OscarL> only one /bin/hstr
<OscarL> installs and runs fine.
<Begasus> k, strange it got in there then :)
<OscarL> no idea. I didn't made the original recipe.
<OscarL> (and was less confident to change it last time I touched it)
<pairisto[m]> guess it was just a weird on time thing?
<Begasus> checking build
<OscarL> No idea why that "MIME-Version: 1.0" appears in the first message on the patchset. Just noticed it :-)
<OscarL> (I guess it's a UTF-8 thing due to the "á" in "Zoltán")
<Begasus> k, seems fine to me
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/c3330bcc1ff8...1cbf3289fa55
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] OscarL 1cbf328 - hstr: cleanup recipe, update to version 3.1 (#8683)
<OscarL> Thanks Begasus!
<Begasus> np :)
<Begasus> need to update TP (final release for 0.9.30 is out)
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<Begasus> waiting for package ...... :/
<Begasus> I didn't brake this one :)
<Begasus> smplayer_x86-22.7.0-1-x86_gcc2.hpkg:
<Begasus> requires "cmd:mpv_x86" of package "smplayer_x86-22.7.0-1" could not be resolved
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<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/1cbf3289fa55...cf51120d5193
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus cf51120 - smplayer, revbump for mpv changes (#8684)
<OscarL> who was the dumb dumb that moved mpv to bin without checking "inrecipe cmd:mpv" ?
<OscarL> Oh... it was I. :-D
<Begasus> heh :P
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+3/-5/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/cf51120d5193...d79c0bcc398d
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus d79c0bc - tuxpaint, bump to final 0.9.30 release, includes tuxpaint-stamps 2023.05.19 and tuxpaint-config 0.0.21 (#8685)
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<OscarL> Begasus: regarding that sip and pyqt_builder issue... seems like korli removed 3.8 from sip last week (when he updated it). Not sure why it did. sip requires 3.7, so it is not due to sip not supporting 3.8 anymore.
<Begas_VM> lol, so this one isn't on you ;)
<Begas_VM> ps, it pays to check up on the reports from time to time :)
<OscarL> link?
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<OscarL> thanks. not familiar with those "/current/report.txt" yet.
<OscarL> Begasus: seems only pyqt_builder_python39 is in use by other recipes. Should drop 3.8 from that recipe then.
<Begas_VM> yeah, think so :)
<OscarL> didn't even remember I touched that one last month :-D.
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] korli pushed 1 commit to master [hrev57009] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=9ef39f3c0c32+%5E80c9f890df1b
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 9ef39f3c0c32 - icmp6,ipv6_datagram: disable tracing
<Begas_VM> dogs got a little birdy :)
<OscarL> 86 86... nice.
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/d79c0bcc398d...b8d44be4ada9
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] OscarL b8d44be - pyqt_builder: drop support for Python 3.8. (#8686)
<Begasus> you got a thing with numbers? ;)
<OscarL> Good thing I had it on "download" folder still :-D
<Begasus> for larger project I tend to keep them around for a while also
<zard> I've heard that there are some plans to implement a setting for enabling/disabling tooltips. Is there a place to learn more?
<Begas_VM> k, relaunching build for llvm9
<OscarL> zard: haven't seen anything regarding that. Maybe I wasn't paying enough attention.
<Begasus> openjdk12 seems broken for both arch's according to the reports, 10 and 9 also for 32bit
<Guest120> erysdren: you can set up https://slidge.im/ then just use discord from your XMPP client
* OscarL looks in to the "dev-lang/openjdk" directory, and runs away in the opposite direction
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<Begasus> tried one, had a dependency on another one ... not going there any time soon
<OscarL> a quick "inrecipe openjdk" seems to suggest most of those version could be dropped, but... what do I know.
<jmairboeck> the openjdk recipes all depend on the respective previous version for building them
<OscarL> ouch.
<jmairboeck> but they could maybe be changed to build them with the same version instead
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<Begasus> about 3800 objects to go for llvm9 ;)
<zdykstra> mornin' all
<zdykstra> busy backlog in the channel today :)
<Begasus> hi zdykstra :)
<Begasus> it's good to be able to brainstorm with others zdykstra :)
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<Begasus> heading out, cu later
* OscarL thinks zdykstra is saying, rather politely: "do you ever shut up?"
<OscarL> later Begasus!
<Begasus> You get some sleep :)
<Begasus> later :)
<OscarL> +1
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<zdykstra> not in the least!
<zdykstra> I love reading a backlog of the comings-and-goings of a project :)
<pairisto[m]> does Haiku have LZ0?
<pairisto[m]> I am trying to port OpenVPN and it stopped on finding LZ0
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<zdykstra> I assume you mean lzo - and yes, it does.
<pairisto[m]> yeah that was the issue, wrote it as lz0 not lzo
<pairisto[m]> also, is libpam on haiku?
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<OscarL> pairisto[m]: you can use pkgman to check, as in: "pkgman search lib:libpam"
<OscarL> or given that you need it to compile something: "pkgman search devel:libpam"
<OscarL> and now... off to bed. read you later folks. Later zdykstra! :-D
<pairisto[m]> thank you! I was using haiku depot
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] e2b57695fc3e - loopback_frame: apply an ethernet header for packet capture
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 4e9653027d90 - net_stack: for local delivery, also capture packets when enabled
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] fa82fcc5328d - ifconfig: check the family is available
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 74dc1de3a3c1 - libicon: Add tool to encode/decode custom float format
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<jmairboeck> Begasus: building texlive against texlive_core 2022 resulted in broken packages indeed. I just created a PR which hopefully fixes this (I didn't really test it).
<jmairboeck> requiring a specific version should not be needed, I think, so I didn't add versions (yet)
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<zdykstra> hmm, is the 'Colors...' menu item non-functional for anybody else? I'm in hrev57004.
<zdykstra> in the Terminal. I should have been more precise.
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<win8linux[m]> Apparently a Vulkan driver is being created for the pre-GCN Radeon HD 6000 (Northern Islands) GPU series:
<win8linux[m]> x512
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<pairisto[m]> question, setting the SOURCE_URI to a git repo better than setting it to a tarball when making a recipe? if its the tarball I assume I can just extract it in BUILD but didn't know which one was better.
<pairisto[m]> * question, is setting the SOURCE_URI to a git repo better than setting it to a tarball when making a recipe? if its the tarball I assume I can just extract it in BUILD but didn't know which one was better.
<Begasus> tarball*
<pairisto[m]> I'm assuming downside is the extracting then
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<Begasus> haikuporter will take care of extracting it yes
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<Begasus> bbl
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<zdykstra> I can't speak for haikuports, but in general a source tarball that can be checksummed is better than a git repo (or a git repo + tag)
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<Ampilin> Saludos desde Uruguay
<pairisto[m]> well problem is I can't quite find the checksum in the format that a recipe wants. downloading the OpenVPN tarball here -> https://swupdate.openvpn.org/community/releases/openvpn-2.6.4.tar.gz only has a gpg signature, not a SHA256 checksum
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<augiedoggie> you can use the sha256sum to get it and put it in the recipe or just wait until haikuporter complains and then copy/paste the checksum into the recipe
<augiedoggie> the sha256sum command*
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<Ampilin> alguien habla español?
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<pairisto[m]> thank you augiedoggie
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<zard> Ampilin: Probably not
<Ampilin> oki
<Ampilin> :)
<zard> :D
<waddlesplash> Ampilin: OscarL
<waddlesplash> he is not around, at the moment, it appears
<Ampilin> yes is from argentina
<Ampilin> :)
<Ampilin> vamos nosotros
<waddlesplash> well, that's impressive!
<waddlesplash> x512[m]: once the new Mesa+libglvnd is active, what more is needed for EGL in Wayland?
<x512[m]> waddlesplash: It need mapping from Gallium to Wayland memory FD buffers and buffer drawing code in Haiku EGL.
<waddlesplash> ouch
<waddlesplash> well, maybe a "bypass" can be written just for Firefox?
<x512[m]> Current Mesa Wayland support code is not usable for Haiku, it depends on DRI and hardcode various ioctls.
<x512[m]> It is not really hard to add Wayland support to Haiku EGL.
<x512[m]> Just write regular Wayland software drawing code.
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 9 commits to master [hrev57013] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=ec97248c2a82+%5E74dc1de3a3c1
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 702e7b011cf5 - kernel/fifo: fix commands like "tail -f file | grep"
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 030814a8fc63 - kernel/wait_for_objects: make select() watch more events
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 30d2a5e18964 - kernel/fifo: just send a disconnect for readers without writers.
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 9c1af36c30c8 - tcp: report disconnected events for tcp
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] fc13358acaed - net_socket: getpeername: IsConnected() when parent is not set
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] b7d9790fc2cb - unix: accept() shouldn't return B_TIMEOUT but B_WOULD_BLOCK
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] e5f221f59837 - ipv4: bind() should return EADDRNOTAVAIL when the address isn't available
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 740f3ca4ae9e - net_socket: binding on the same socket should return an error
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] ec97248c2a82 - tcp: handle linger with zero timeout
<nekobot> ...
<Begasus> waddlesplash, any thought on my question earlier?
<waddlesplash> Begasus: you may as well mark them untested, yes
<Begasus> yeah, wanted to mark them as "?"
<x512[m]> It is probably better to start with Wayland support in Vulkan WSI because it do not need to fight with Mesa build system.
<x512[m]> Haiku Wayland WSI add-on is stand alone code base.
<zdykstra> waddlesplash: are any of those fifo fixes expected to improve fish-shell?
<waddlesplash> zdykstra: very possible but I don't know if anyone tested
<zdykstra> cool. Once that nightly hits I'll switch back to fish to see if it's more stable.
<Begasus> jmairboeck, good to go?
<jmairboeck> I think so, I didn't do a full build though
<Begasus> I'll poke you in the morning if need be :)
<Begasus> fixed the string in the patchset for llvm9, but build is still running (probably for the night)
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<Begasus> botan should be good to go, will see if anything pups up by tomorrow ...
<Begasus> and then clean up those "broken" xlibs
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/b8d44be4ada9...bfa2807523b3
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] jmairboeck bfa2807 - texlive: fix references to texlive_core package links directory (#8687)
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<x512[m]> waddlesplash: There is nothing to do with wayland-server for implementing EGL support. Wayland library just forwards calls to EGL driver (Mesa).
<waddlesplash> ah
<waddlesplash> well, will things already "just work" then with glvnd+new mesa?
<waddlesplash> or we could somehow "bypass" wayland and just use the underlying Haiku windows?
<waddlesplash> i.e. retrieve the BWindow* from the in-process Wayland server and use that
<Begasus> closing down for today, g'night peeps
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<x512[m]> eglSwapBuffers should call Wayland buffer drawing code.
<waddlesplash> ah
<x512[m]> > i.e. retrieve the BWindow* from the in-process Wayland server and use that
<x512[m]> It will be probably very broken. It is expected to call commit from EGL driver etc..
<waddlesplash> I mean, what if the BGLView is added directly to the BWindow?
<waddlesplash> no need for commit
<x512[m]> EGL do not use BGLView.
<x512[m]> Wayland commit in EGL is required by spec.
<x512[m]> BGLView is implemented as a wrapper over EGL.
<waddlesplash> ah
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<andreasdr[m]> Interesting this all. :)
<andreasdr[m]> x512: May I ask if there are any news about RADV?
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<erysdren> power was out for a few hours
<erysdren> ugh
<erysdren> alabama sucks
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<Ampilin> lalalalalala
<erysdren> ive been using the R4 image for my testing on the laptop so far
<erysdren> should i switch to using nightlies? i've heard some people say the most recent ones are unstable
<Ampilin> good look
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<PulkoMandy> Nightlies sometimes get broken. At the moment there is a problem on some hardware with MSI interrupts. We're not sure why yet. So if you don't have a problem with R1b4, you can stay there
<Habbie> if i pkgman update on r1b4, do i get nightly? or some more careful stream?
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<erysdren> sad that i can't shrink partitions with the Haiku installer
<erysdren> it's a bit of a pain since GParted won't work on this laptop for some reason
<Habbie> gparted live cd? or gparted in anything?
<erysdren> live cd/usb
<erysdren> it's a 32-bit IBM ThinkPad Z60t, and the 32-bit live gparted wouldn't boot properly
<erysdren> but Haiku boots just fine.
<Habbie> does any linux installer or livecd boot?
<erysdren> let me burn a Void Linux live cd or something
<erysdren> ill get back to you
<erysdren> i've only tried gparted
<Habbie> burn? no usb sticks?
<erysdren> my USB has my current "living" version of Haiku on it
<erysdren> lol
<Habbie> hmm, i see parted in haikuports
<erysdren> i guess it's not a big deal if i overwrite it. i haven't done anything big on it yet
<Habbie> i wonder if it would make sense to put that in the haiku image
<erysdren> just installed a few packages
<erysdren> hmm, does that mean i could download it from haikudepot?
<Habbie> excellent question
<erysdren> i could boot the Haiku USB, install parted, and try to shrink the Windows XP partition on the drive
<erysdren> then install Haiku
<Habbie> i don't see it on haikudepot
<erysdren> crap
<Habbie> (i'm not yet entirely sure what haikudepot -is-)
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<erysdren> i thought you could get stuff from HaikuPorts on there
<erysdren> sec, let me try
<Habbie> https://depot.haiku-os.org/#!/pkg/vis (random other package) works, but i don't see a download link
<Habbie> #!/pkg/parted causes some crash
<Habbie> but, you can try pkgman install?
<erysdren> sure
<Habbie> if that works, we should update the docs (for which i have more notes here)
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<erysdren> man the antenna in this laptop sucks
<erysdren> i keep getting disconnected from the wifi
<Habbie> ugh
<Habbie> is it wired correctly?
<erysdren> not sure what you mean
<erysdren> hang on i'll just plug ethernet into it. don't wanna keep fiddling with wifi
<Habbie> oh, i have some "thin client" PCs here with miniPCI wifi, connected to some small metal blob in the edge of the casing
<Habbie> and i understand sometimes people forget to connect those
<Habbie> in which case the antenna is a 3mm circle waiting for a plug ;)
<Habbie> yeah ethernet is smart
<Habbie> life is much better that way
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<jaycie> pkgman couldn't find parted
<jaycie> oops
<Habbie> hmm?
<jaycie> sorry i got booted off my desktop internet lol
<Habbie> ah
<jaycie> wonder how long the zombie "erysdren" connection will last
<jaycie> since i closed the client
<jaycie> regardless, pkgman failed to find match for "parted" name not found
<Habbie> how did you close it?
<jaycie> just closed the window
<Habbie> what client?
<jaycie> Konversation
<Habbie> ok
<Habbie> weird that it lingers
<jaycie> yeah
<Habbie> i wonder if it's even gone
<Habbie> but it doesn't respond to CTCP PING and VERSION
<jaycie> i don't know how it'd stay there, considering i'm typing from my desktop after closing and reopning the Konversation window
<jaycie> still just there as a zombie
<Habbie> oh wait i just connected the dots to our earlier conversation :D
<Habbie> thought this was somebody else reporting parted is not there
* Habbie slow
<jaycie> nah lol im erysdren
<Habbie> got it
<Habbie> you could install haikuports, haikuporter, etc. and build parted..
<Habbie> but if it was in pkgman, that would be great
<Habbie> i might look into that later, i don't currently have a booting haiku around
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<jaycie> finally
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<Habbie> uh :)
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<erysdren> ok. back
<erysdren> yeah, parted in pkgman would be great. the Haiku partition editor in the installer is not very well featured
<erysdren> my main gripe is not being able to shrink an existing partition
<Habbie> yep
<erysdren> if i could get the haiku-cross tools setup on my linux machine, i'd be down to do some development in a few places
<erysdren> i just haven't figured out what's the best way to do that yet
<Habbie> why not do it directly on haiku?
<erysdren> i do all my programming on my desktop with the huge keyboard and multi-monitor
<erysdren> i wanna use Haiku on this dinky laptop
<erysdren> for like, chilling out
<Habbie> right - i ssh to my haiku a lot :)
<erysdren> smart!
<erysdren> yeah idk. i also have a Haiku VM but i never figured out a decent way to easily get files in and out of it
<Habbie> probably ssh too
<Habbie> or SMB or NFS something, assuming haiku even speaks it (as client or server)
<erysdren> i really wish Ark or something could just... open qcow2 files
<erysdren> lol
<erysdren> i don't think that's feasible but it would sure be handy
<Habbie> Ark?
<erysdren> it's the default archive/zip manager on KDE
<Habbie> ah, a KDE archive browser
<Habbie> o
<Habbie> oops
<Habbie> i'm pretty sure all the pieces exist for a tool to support images
<Habbie> i think there's a userspace port of basically all linux filesystem drivers
<Habbie> ah yes, libguestfs
<erysdren> off topic, but what does Haiku use for its software-rendered OpenGL
<erysdren> Mesa?
<Habbie> i have seen mentions of mesa in here, but i know nothing
<erysdren> gotcha
<erysdren> i been tinkering a lot with the TinyGL project from Fabrice Bellard
<erysdren> it's from like 2002 and it's a near-complete and fast software implementation of the GL 1.1 standard
<Habbie> 12:44Z <SamuraiCrow[m]> <erysdren> "what's the status of Haiku and..." <- Up-to-date Mesa support but no graphics drivers yet, just software rendering.
<Habbie> apparently somebody answered your earlier question :)
<erysdren> gotcha
<erysdren> yeah i forget easily lol
<Habbie> (your question was about opengl 4+)
<erysdren> i definitely wanna try and port my TinyGL fork to haiku if i can
<erysdren> original version here: https://bellard.org/TinyGL/
<erysdren> my fork here: https://github.com/erysdren/TinyGL
<Habbie> The goal is to bring TinyGL up to full OpenGL 1.1 compatibility, along with a suite of GLU (and maybe GLUT) functions.
<Habbie> nice
<Habbie> so that's a mesa alternative? (i could be entirely wrong here)
<erysdren> i guess so yeah. Fabrice originally made it as his own software renderer, which just happened to follow the OpenGL 1.1 APi standard
<erysdren> so you could drop it in as a replacement
<Habbie> right
<Habbie> depending on what parts you used, if i skimmed that correctly
<Habbie> fabrice is a treasure
<erysdren> he really is. i love his work
<erysdren> i was able to integrate TinyGL into SDL/SDL2 software rendering
<erysdren> works pretty well, especially with the addition of those GLUT helper functions
<Habbie> nice
<erysdren> anyway i'm ramblin. i just really enjoy software-rendered 3D graphics
<erysdren> my favorite code to write
<Habbie> :)
<erysdren> i wrote a voxel rasterizer on DOS about 6 months ago using DJGPP
<Habbie> ohh 3DS
<Habbie> hah, DOS
<Habbie> (2D, though ;) )
<erysdren> 320x200x8
<erysdren> FPS was pretty bad, but it was fun to write anyway
<erysdren> (upscaled photo from running in DOSBox-X)
<erysdren> one of my goals is to get TinyGL running faster on DOS. gonna try and port it to fixed-point math and native 8bpp rendering
<Habbie> cool :)
<Habbie> oh right, so mode 13h on that png
<erysdren> yeah but at some point i doubled the res of the screenshot to post it somewhere
<Habbie> why though? :)
<erysdren> no idea lol
<Habbie> apparently i typed Dutch comments in 1996
<erysdren> i wasn't even born yet!
<Habbie> hah
<Habbie> that makes it even cooler that you're doing things in DOS :)
<Habbie> i had no excuse at the time ;)
<erysdren> the limitations are fun
<Habbie> yeah
<Habbie> now $5 microcontrollers put us in a similar limitation game
<erysdren> would rather write x86 assembly for fast triangle rasterization, instead of thousands of lines of vulkan boilerplate
<Habbie> :)
<Habbie> anyway
<Habbie> apparently parted is not in pkgman
<Habbie> somebody should fix that, would make the installer a lot nicer
<Habbie> even if it involves some typing during install
<erysdren> is the version in haikuports working?
<erysdren> i could download and compile it
<Habbie> i don't know
<erysdren> what dir is it in?
<Habbie> haikuports/sys-block/parted
<erysdren> thank
<erysdren> i could just download the recipe file and run haikuporter on it?
<Habbie> it has a few deps
<Habbie> so better get the whole tree i think?
<erysdren> alright
<erysdren> maybe i should get a USB wifi antenna for this laptop, when i don't have access to ethernet
<erysdren> since the internal antenna is so bad
<Habbie> makes sense, although i wonder how good these 3mm usb dongles are
<erysdren> gotta be better than whatever is in this, lol
<Habbie> :)
<Habbie> if only because it's on the outside
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