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<Skipp_OSX> who brought the BeBox to VCF East https://i.imgur.com/9bSa6N4.jpg ?
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<botifico-c849d97b> [haiku/infrastructure] kallisti5 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/infrastructure/compare/defffb3e48be...a7daf52af3e6
<botifico-c849d97b> [haiku/infrastructure] kallisti5 a7daf52 - concourse: Build and upload crosstools as a zip file to s3
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<botifico-c849d97b> [haiku/infrastructure] kallisti5 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/infrastructure/compare/a7daf52af3e6...48c0b0bee671
<botifico-c849d97b> [haiku/infrastructure] kallisti5 48c0b0b - Revert "concourse: Build and upload crosstools as a zip file to s3"
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
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<jessicah> Morning Begasus
<Begasus> Evening jessicah :)
<trungnt2910[m]> What's this supposed to be?
<jessicah> A syscall in beos
<Begasus> DaaT's website ;)
<jessicah> I haven't heard from DaaT in a very, very long time
<Begasus> yeah :( vanished in thin air
<Begasus> last I heard was that he moved somewhere else
<Begasus> miss throwing sheeps :D
<jessicah> Haha, yep
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<trungnt2910[m]> <jessicah> "A syscall in beos" <- But it's only a normal function call on Haiku...
<trungnt2910[m]> Talking about weird syscalls, it's very strange that libroot calls is_computer_on and checks the value during initialization.
<trungnt2910[m]> I once tried to make that thing return 0 on HyClone and everything gets broken.
<jessicah> hmm, well, either way, it was part of the beos abi
<jessicah> oh really? huh, I didn't think anything actually called it
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<botifico-c849d97b> [haiku/website] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/5196a0c7ba75...b00863ff53ad
<botifico-c849d97b> [haiku/website] trungnt2910 b00863f - blog/trungnt2910: GSoC 2023 introduction blog
<trungnt2910[m]> That was quick.
<nielx[m]> Indeed! Pulkomandy is at a roll
<PulkoMandy> hello, good morning :)
<PulkoMandy> I just started my computer and saw a github notification in my mailbox about it
<jessicah> Nice write up :)
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] autocommitter pushed 1 commit to master [hrev56970] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=8b33ac6bff69+%5E2b9f3f2962b7
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 8b33ac6bff69 - Update translations from Pootle
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<B2IA> (UnrealNeil) Does Haiku support X-RAID? could i potientially run Haiku on my Netgear ReadyNAS Pro RAID hardware>
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<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+3/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/c787f115ae07...d0106f24863c
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] davidkaroly d0106f2 - qemu-8.0.0: new recipe (#8558)
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<braewoods__> UnrealNeil: does that even have video output? I couldn't find anything about it.
<Begas_VM> hi jmairboeck :)
<jmairboeck> Hi Begas_VM :)
<Begas_VM> about to launch a build for imagemagick
<Begas_VM> maybe it's better not to force "any" package to switch to other architectures ... :)
<jmairboeck> yes, just because there is no cmd:convert on 32 bit would be a bad reason for it
<jmairboeck> not having cmd:convert is itself not good I think
<jmairboeck> the old version of ImageMagick was still built with gcc2 I think?
<Begas_VM> no one bothered to switch to commandBinDir there before
<Begas_VM> I don't think so
<Begas_VM> if gcc2 would be supported the binaries should only be supported for primary arch then (and removed from secondary arch)
<Begas_VM> supported for primary/provided for primary*
<jmairboeck> so we had both convert and convert_x86 before, on 32 bit
<Begasus> ah right, strange, normaly they would be removed for the secondary arch
<Begasus> well let's fix this in the current version :)
<B2IA> (UnrealNeil) braewoods__: it has VGA headers on the main board... But it's no use even tryinh, ig Haiku has no x-raid support...
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<braewoods__> UnrealNeil: does x-raid even matter? My own workstation using software raid. Drives are connected through SATA.
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/d0106f24863c...6feb32660336
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] jmairboeck 6feb326 - gltron: new recipe (#8562)
<Begasus> PR created for imagemagick
<B2IA> (UnrealNeil) braewoods__: I am aproaching this from a different angle. I have a ReadyNAS 6 Pro, I want to upgrade the OS.... Haiku would be nice. I would love to avoid any form of Linux, because I like Haiku.... but it seems that it will have to be linux, because Haiku probably doesn't support it... And of course all my precious data is stored on the RAID, and it's x-raid.... so Yes, it does matter. Bonus Question, since
<B2IA> you've turned the conversation... does Haiku support any Raid? perhaps Software RAID, as you as touting...
<braewoods__> UnrealNeil: no idea honestly, i was just saying i try to avoid getting hung up on a feature that can probably be reproduced with something else.
<braewoods__> but i don't recall seeing anything related to RAID with the haiku disk management stuff.
<braewoods__> I usually use ZFS which has support for a handful of BSDs, Linux, and maybe even Illumos.
<Begas_VM> bbl
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<trungnt2910[m]> When porting apps -rdynamic can be safely ignored on Haiku right?
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<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/6feb32660336...87f0eb728d5d
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 87f0eb7 - unreal_speccy_portable: add localekit support
<x512[m]> trungnt2910: `-rdynamic` should be not needed for Haiku executables.
<trungnt2910[m]> I don't really know why, but yeah it seems to be the case when I tested it with a sample executable and library.
<x512[m]> -shared should be always used when linking both executables and shared libraries for Haiku.
<x512[m]> -shared is usually passed by compiler to linker by default.
<x512[m]> Make sure that -fPIE is never used.
<x512[m]> -rdynamic is probably harmless and have no effect on Haiku.
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<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/87f0eb728d5d...78d1cd4a4a8d
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 78d1cd4 - mailnews: build x86_64, crashes on start (#8494)
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<trungnt2910[m]> What's the highest address a Haiku process can map?
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/78d1cd4a4a8d...e33849c085ac
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus e33849c - imagemagick, put binaries in $commandBinDir for 32bit (#8597)
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<x512[m]> trungnt2910: Depends on architecture.
<trungnt2910[m]> On x86_64?
<x512[m]> 0x7fffffffffffffff don't work?
<trungnt2910[m]> It might, but I just want to see if there's a real limit rather than hardcoding a guessed value.
<x512[m]> It should be easy to make test program that probe address space for allocation.
<trungnt2910[m]> Yeah that's what I'm about to do.
<trungnt2910[m]> Binary search and then spam create_area and delete_area.
<trungnt2910[m]> Ahh nice.\
<trungnt2910[m]> * Ahh nice.
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<x512[m]> 32 bit version?
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<trungnt2910[m]> Ooops...
<trungnt2910[m]> An easier way than reading through that macro hell:... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/EXmLYsjzCQJuQGHtwnifzgmt>)
<trungnt2910[m]> This seems to work consistently so I guess that's the limit.
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 2 commits to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/e33849c085ac...2a8490846474
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 9146ff8 - libwps: bump version
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 2a84908 - xz_utils: bump version
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<Begasus> jmairboeck, guess dblatex still needs a rebuild? requires "cmd:fig2dev >= 3.2.8b" of package "dblatex-0.3.12-1" could not be resolved
<Begasus> hmm ... rebuild it earlier without issues ...
<Begasus> maybe the "b" is not conform libVersion?
<Begasus> err no, not a library :)
<jmairboeck> dblatex is essentially just a python script, it doesn't link to anything
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<Begasus> got fig2dev installed here but still get the message I can't install dblatex
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<jmairboeck> ok, so this needs to be changed (+ a revbump)
<Begasus> yep
<Begasus> can you do it?
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 3 commits to master [+4/-4/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/2a8490846474...73de70c262a6
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 560206a - libmwaw: bump version
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 4c6d7b7 - libwpg: bump version
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 73de70c - libssh: bump version
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<jmairboeck> yes, I'll do that
<Begasus> thanks :)
<Begasus> should've read the report better (listed there too) :)
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/73de70c262a6...5eb1372ad5ec
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] jmairboeck 5eb1372 - fig2dev: rebuild for ImageMagick changes (32 bit) (#8599)
<Begasus> shouldn't change anything, only thing that's changed is the location for cmd:convert :) Thanks!
<Begasus> waddlesplash, icu70 is still disabled (was so for beta4), is this still an issue?
<waddlesplash> needs someone to do some careful validation
<Begasus> or shouldn't it be updated to the one from the PR from jmairboeck ?
<Begasus> requires "lib:libicui18n >= 70.1" of package "kiwix_tools-3.3.0-1" could not be resolved
<jmairboeck> I just enabled it for x86 and x86_64, I didn't test it
<Begasus> for kiwix_tools :) (it was still build when icu70 was enabled)
<jmairboeck> can kiwix_tools be built with icu66?
<Begasus> as mentioned on the PR, I guess conflicting the devel_package shouldn't brake anything for icu?
<Begasus> probably it will jmairboeck , just requiring about icu, fix for kiwix_tools would be just a revbump
<jmairboeck> for texlive (specifically bibtex) it is not so easy, it requires icu >= 70, I didn't want to patch that out, as eventually we will hopefully move to a newer ICU version
<Begasus> libssh needs to be fixed for libnetwork :)
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/5eb1372ad5ec...f93f6eea7ae2
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus f93f6ee - kiwix_tools, force icu66 for build (#8600)
<Begasus> k, no more mentions for dblatex in the reports now :)
<Begas_VM> all good now
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<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/f93f6eea7ae2...ea224af5fc92
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] korli ea224af - freeciv: bump version
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/ea224af5fc92...e9104f2c46ad
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] korli e9104f2 - libssh: missing patch
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [hrev56971] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=cfbfb8473c66+%5E8b33ac6bff69
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] cfbfb8473c66 - BTextView: Allow nav on selectable but non-editable views
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<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/e9104f2c46ad...85deaa33ce6d
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] jmairboeck 85deaa3 - fig2dev: also update TEST_REQUIRES (#8601)
<KapiX> any EFI experts around?
<KapiX> I found out today that haiku loader stopped detecting my boot partition
<KapiX> I see no boot devices at all anymore
<augiedoggie> is it a really old copy of the loader?
<KapiX> my first though, but freshly built one has the same behavior
<augiedoggie> hm, dunno
<KapiX> what has changed is that I have added second NVME drive and formatted a BeFS partition on it
<KapiX> what's interesting is that the problem didn't occur when that drive was in but the space remained as unformatted
<KapiX> I think it only stopped working after formatting the partition (and I updated the system as well)
<KapiX> so I'm thinking some weirdness in drive scanning logic?
<KapiX> loader logs say that GPT was detected, but could not scan it
<KapiX> even though it list partitions on both drives correctly
<KapiX> lists*
<KapiX> and I did not do changes to the drive that I am actually booting from
<jmairboeck> Begasus: when just BUILD_REQUIRES changes, no revbump is needed?
<jmairboeck> I just checked which else used something from ImageMagick with $secondaryArchSuffix
<jmairboeck> I found just tuxpaint and flif
<Begasus_64> yes jmairboeck
<Begasus_64> tuxpaint is in the process of being updated, so that could wait a while
<jmairboeck> ok
<jmairboeck> lilypond also has an open PR, where I handled it already
<Begasus_64> did a fresh clone checkout for tuxpaint and tuxpaint-stamps earlier this morning, we're still good :)
<Begasus_64> yes, saw the push earlier, I'm guessing that would need to wait untill buildmasters are updated (or R1B5) :)
<jmairboeck> we are waiting for kallisti5[m], essentially
<Begasus_64> for burp I guess it needs to wait untill R1B5, but there is no hurry there
<puck_> KapiX: hrm, can you sasve the syslog? that might help
<kallisti5[m]> What are you waiting on?
<KapiX> no, I can only view
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<KapiX> I don't think loader has any facility to save to file
<KapiX> to be clear, this doesn't even start the kernel
<puck_> it does, but only for saving previous syslog session..
<jmairboeck> kallisti5[m]: an update of the buildmasters for rebuilding lilypond
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<kallisti5[m]> I'll add it to the backlog. 😊
<kallisti5[m]> First I've heard of it
<jmairboeck> thanks
<jmairboeck> waddlesplash mentioned you in a comment there though
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<KapiX> gdisk says both GPTs are valid
<puck_> KapiX: hmmm, does it show up if you boot a haiku from usb? since i think it not scanning is part of the kernel code
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<KapiX> ok, I'll try
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<KapiX> puck_: from USB it sees both installations (USB one and local one, so partitions are not damaged)
<KapiX> what's weird is that if the USB drive is in then the local loader (chainloaded from GRUB) also sees both installs
<KapiX> but when USB drive is not present, then it fails to find any
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/85deaa33ce6d...57126e294947
<botifico-c849d97b> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 57126e2 - ncmpcpp, build fix (#8602)
<puck_> KapiX: right, my suspicion is that it's not seeing the right disk
<KapiX> my thoughts as well
<KapiX> more details: the new disk is in nvme slot 0, boot disk nvme slot 1
<puck_> yup, that explains
<puck_> KapiX: can you boot into linux and dump (redacted, if desired) efibootmgr -V lines for the two NVMe slots?
<puck_> (aka the device paths)
<jmairboeck> about flif: it seems pretty much dead (superseded by jpeg-xl) and not used by anything in haikuports if I'm not mistaken. Should we keep that?
<KapiX> puck: efibootmgr -V tells me the version, -v doesn't seem to print what you are asking for?
<KapiX> oh, sorry, -v works
<KapiX> Boot0001 Hard Drive BBS(HD,,0x0)/VenHw(5ce8128b-2cec-40f0-8372-80640e3dc858,0200)0000474f00004e4fcd000000080000008d004c006500780061007200200053005300440020004e004d00380(...moregibberish)
<puck_> uh, that's the wrong one
<KapiX> Boot0002* opensuse HD(1,GPT,10f0512a-f766-4157-97b0-9633e7d650de,0x800,0x100000)/File(\EFI\opensuse\grubx64.efi)
<puck_> oh right. the device paths can play that way
<KapiX> BootOrder: 0002,0001
<KapiX> I don't understand why the problem only started when I formatted the partition, does the loader bail at first BeFS partition found?
<puck_> ..wait, how do you start the haiku loader
<KapiX> chainloaded from grub
<puck_> hm, that's a factor i'm less certain of
<puck_> does it work if you load it directly from the EFI? or e.g. via efi shell
<KapiX> wait a minute, it worked without problems for 4 years
<KapiX> I did not change the GRUB entry
<puck_> yes
<KapiX> let me see what I can do in EFI shell actually
<KapiX> brb
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<KapiX> puck_: running the loader from EFI Shell gave the same result
<puck_> KapiX: is your efi loader 4 years out of date too? :p
<KapiX> no, I just updated it
<puck_> hmm
<puck_> and you were efi-booting on usb?
<KapiX> ? I don't understand
<puck_> as in, using the efi loader when you booted off usb
<KapiX> yes
<puck_> so i checked the source code and it should properly handle multiple block devices even if they're the same - it would be funny if the order mattered here due to some other bug. i'd look into this more but i'm a bit too brainfogged rn
<KapiX> I have CSM disabled on my mobo
<KapiX> I'll try "unformatting" the partition
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<PulkoMandy> are the partition GUIDs all correct? (especially the Haiku ones need to have the Haiku or BeFS GUID, or at least it helps in finding them)
<puck_> i'm mostly confused about it working when booted off USB
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<puck_> KapiX: i'm not sure CSM is off, otherwise i'm a bit confused at the bios boot specification boot entry :p
<KapiX> mobo only shows UEFI boot options, and the USB drive also has "UEFI: " prefix when I'm choosing it
<KapiX> unformatting did not help
<KapiX> PulkoMandy: on the boot drive Haiku partitions are marked correctly (according to drivesetup)
<KapiX> only the other disk had BeFS partition marked as "Linux data" but it was supposed to be storage so it shouldn't matter
<KapiX> I'm trying to read the log but it seems incomplete :/
<Skipp_OSX> waddlesplash can you +2 and submit my Tracker change? https://review.haiku-os.org/c/haiku/+/6357 It is ready to go
<Skipp_OSX> PulkoMandy can you double check it too?
<KapiX> puck_: it not only works when booted off USB, I can use local loader on NVME drive and if USB is present it will work as well
<puck_> yeah so it's ordering
<KapiX> so GRUB messing with something is also out
<Skipp_OSX> cross your finger there's a problem so I can get to PS40 :)
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<Begasus> closing down, cu peeps!
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