* OscarL
kicks gcc2 buildmaster in the RAMs. "Psst! Wake up!"
<Begas_VM>
Hola OscarL :)
<OscarL>
Hi Begasus :-)
<OscarL>
Getting a bit chilly down here :-/
<andreasdr[m]>
Good morning OscarL
<andreasdr[m]>
How is it going?
<OscarL>
hey there andreasdr[m]!
<andreasdr[m]>
:)
<OscarL>
not too terrible, which is nice :-D. You?
<erysdren>
good morning
<andreasdr[m]>
Good morning erysdren
<Begas_VM>
g'morning erysdren
<andreasdr[m]>
I am ok
* OscarL
waves at erysdren.
<andreasdr[m]>
We have a work free day here in Germany today. So I wont work :DDD
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<andreasdr[m]>
Like a feast day
<andreasdr[m]>
Never used that word before :D
<Begas_VM>
Same here andreasdr[m] :)
<andreasdr[m]>
Nice
<Begas_VM>
But then again, I'm at home since March, so wouldn't notice if it's a day off or not :)
<andreasdr[m]>
Oh. Retired?
<Begas_VM>
not yet, sick leave
<andreasdr[m]>
Hope all is good. Oh noooo :(
<andreasdr[m]>
Best wishes!!!
<Begas_VM>
so far so good, can't complain (think buildmaster isn't pleased me being at home) :P
<Begas_VM>
thanks!
<andreasdr[m]>
Ok. Good to hear.
<Begas_VM>
One "small" surgery planned next month
<Skipp_OSX>
please do not kick the rams
<OscarL>
:-D
<Begas_VM>
kick the rams Skipp_OSX?
* Begas_VM
guessing it's some saying ...
<OscarL>
Begas_VM: it was me: [03:37] * OscarL kicks gcc2 buildmaster in the RAMs. "Psst! Wake up!"
<Begas_VM>
ah :D
<andreasdr[m]>
Ok.
<Begas_VM>
looks like weechat doesn't like guile2 plugin
<andreasdr[m]>
Damn.
<andreasdr[m]>
Quaternion is still crashing on my Haiku installation.
<andreasdr[m]>
:(((
<Begas_VM>
reported?
<andreasdr[m]>
Not yet.
<andreasdr[m]>
Can do later.
<andreasdr[m]>
You mean I should report this at haikuports issues @ github?
<Begas_VM>
I'm not using it (don't even know how) :)
<Begas_VM>
yep
<andreasdr[m]>
Ok. Will do. Thank you for the hint.
<Begas_VM>
Installed Telegram on Haiku/Windows, still don't know how to use it :P
<andreasdr[m]>
Oh. I dont remember. Was not too hard.
<andreasdr[m]>
You get that done. Maybe you need a phone or something.
<erysdren>
yeah, Telegram requires a phone number
<Begas_VM>
That worked ok (although I didn't like doing it)
<OscarL>
Begas_VM : just in case you need someone to test it with, my Telegram handle is @OscarL. You can setup an "alias/username", and configure Telegram to show your phone number only to your contacts, only to some, or to nobody.
<andreasdr[m]>
How do I see my Telegram handle?
<OscarL>
Settings -> Edit profile -> username
<andreasdr[m]>
Ok. Ill check
<andreasdr[m]>
Thank you
<OscarL>
np. By defauly, you get none, IIRC.
<OscarL>
*default
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<andreasdr[m]>
Ok. My handle is @andreas_dr
<andreasdr[m]>
andreasdr was in use already. Damn.
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<OscarL>
Just beware that having a public alias/username... makes you a more easy target to bots/spam
<andreasdr[m]>
Oh i see.
<OscarL>
I just block everyone I don't already know, and I'm good. :-D
<andreasdr[m]>
Good point.
<Begas_VM>
Message send OscarL :)
<OscarL>
replied :-D
<andreasdr[m]>
I want a message too <3
<Begas_VM>
I joined a channel "Haiku OS" there, can't seem to send any messages there, hence I gave up on it :)
<Begas_VM>
at least now it's working :P
<OscarL>
Begas_VM: I'm not entirely sure about how different channels work. I only use it for comunication with parents/friends.
<andreasdr[m]>
Here its only called "Haiku"
<Begas_VM>
now have to figure out again how to start a chat in weechat (server is added)
<OscarL>
Begas_VM: Seems like there are Telegram Channels (brodcast only) and Telegram Groups (the one you can participate).
<andreasdr[m]>
Oh also did not know that.
<OscarL>
Guess that "Haiku OS" one is a channel then.
<botifico-c849d97b>
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 87de1d3 - weechat, bump version (#8755)
* OscarL
got his preferred keybinds before WASD was a thing.
<jmairboeck>
andreasdr[m]: the urw_base35_fonts package currently only contains the OpenType version of the fonts. Maybe we should install the Type 1 versions as well?
<erysdren>
how do post_install scripts work? is user expected to run them?
<OscarL>
no
<jmairboeck>
andreasdr[m]: although I'm not sure if it would work, I only see otfonts, ttfonts and psfonts subdirectories in the fonts directory
<OscarL>
I only used it once, I have to have that branch somewhere... (didn't used it in the end)
<Begas_VM>
They "should" be launched after the package is installed
<andreasdr[m]>
jmairboeck: thank you. Which package do I need to install then?
<jmairboeck>
there is no package yet
<andreasdr[m]>
Ah I see
<jmairboeck>
I think
<OscarL>
erysdren: let me see if I can clean up that old branch, so I can share an example.
<jmairboeck>
does app_server support Type1 fonts? and what would be the folder name for them?
* phschafft
pokes random directions but keeps missing.
<andreasdr[m]>
Arrrrr. poke!
<OscarL>
mmm, false alarm, that's what I guess for doubting myself. I had got it right the first time, lol. Should be ok as it is on the PR, Begasus. :-)
<Begas_VM>
Successfully built sphinx-7.0.1-py3-none-any.whl
<Begas_VM>
should I just look to build it for python3.9?
<Begas_VM>
grabbing sphinx_python310-7.0.1-1-any.hpkg and moving it to /boot/home/haikuports/packages/sphinx_python310-7.0.1-1-any.hpkg
<Begas_VM>
grabbing sphinx_python39-7.0.1-1-any.hpkg and moving it to /boot/home/haikuports/packages/sphinx_python39-7.0.1-1-any.hpkg
<Begas_VM>
;)
<OscarL>
nice.
<OscarL>
I haven't touched sphinx since around 2010, IIRC. Not sure what sphinx-build provides.
<Begas_VM>
cmd:sphinx-build amongst :)
<Begas_VM>
sphinx 3.* versions are closed source
<Begas_VM>
the python module doesn't need that :)
<Begas_VM>
at least haven't seen anything there so far
<OscarL>
Considering that it is mostly used to build docs by using its provided cli utils (and not so much by actually importing the sphinx module)... I'd say that using "pythonVersion=3.9" at the top, and building against that, should be enough for the time being.
<OscarL>
If something else needs it in the future, we can fix that later :-D
<fraZ0R>
absolutely losing my mind rn trying to create a bootable media
<fraZ0R>
don't understand why my computer is absolutely hating this so much that grub literally just threw out "unknown error" which I have been unable to find literally anybody mention.
<fraZ0R>
99% sure i'm cursed. love this
<PulkoMandy>
we don't use grub, so if your bootable media involves grub, you're not doing the right thing?
<fraZ0R>
well it wouldn't boot normally either
<fraZ0R>
so i installed grub to try to get it to
<fraZ0R>
and that didn't seem to work either?
<fraZ0R>
im probably doing something very wrong here, i just used etcher to write it to my SD Card, but trying to boot from it just boots windows for some reason?????
<fraZ0R>
which is why i eventually just gave up and installed grub to try to figure out what the hell was going on. but i just got an incredibly nondescript "unknown error". Joy.
<catmeow72[m]>
I'm guessing you have a buggy firmware.
<fraZ0R>
sad
<PulkoMandy>
booting from SD cards may not be supported, either by Haiku or by your BIOS/UEFI
<catmeow72[m]>
EFI ones may be especially problematic.
<catmeow72[m]>
Usually you can simply use an SD card to USB adaptor, and it'll boot just the same as any USB drive.
<catmeow72[m]>
s/adaptor/adapter/
<fraZ0R>
yeah i'm using an sd==>usb adapter
<catmeow72[m]>
Do you know if you're on BIOS or UEFI? If on UEFI, is Secure Boot turned on?
<PulkoMandy>
well, maybe it will work just as any USB device, or maybe there will be some subtle difference that make it not work
<fraZ0R>
the secureboot option literally isn't there in my bios so idk if its on or not
<catmeow72[m]>
Try setting an admin password. That might cause one to show up.
<catmeow72[m]>
Some UEFIs lock it down to an admin password.
<catmeow72[m]>
Tip: If you want to unset a BIOS password, just set it to an empty one.
<fraZ0R>
it does seem to refer to itself as a UEFI
<catmeow72[m]>
Okay, that's one important detail down.
<fraZ0R>
no clue how to set a password on this, hp can be so dumb at times
<catmeow72[m]>
What computer are you using? I could try to look it up for you?
<fraZ0R>
HP Elitebook 840 G3
<catmeow72[m]>
Having trouble finding machine specific BIOS info...
<catmeow72[m]>
Can you show me a picture of the BIOS setup screen?
<catmeow72[m]>
I've never seen UnknownMessaging before.
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<catmeow72[m]>
I'm guessing that your USB to SD card adapter uses an incompatible protocol. You probably should just try another one.
<fraZ0R>
ah
<catmeow72[m]>
It could also be a firmware bug
<catmeow72[m]>
As GRUB uses the firmware to load EFI files.
<fraZ0R>
maybe i'll just go and buy another USB
<catmeow72[m]>
I've written it directly to my hard drive before, but don't do that.
<fraZ0R>
yeah that sounds like a big potential to brick it
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<catmeow72[m]>
It doesn't brick permanently, as long as you have the means to reinstall the OS. However, any data loss that results is permanent.
<OscarL>
Begas_VM: tried building with "pyproject-build$pythonVersion --wheel --skip-dependency-check --no-isolation" (not sure if it is any different than "python -m build ..." but.. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<fraZ0R>
i do have ONE other usb, but i dont really like using it because it's seen.. better days
<catmeow72[m]>
That just reminded me that I don't have CJK fonts installed
<fraZ0R>
the "port" on it got a bit.... bent. and it likes to randomly disconnect itself at times
<fraZ0R>
really dont feel safe running an OS off of that
<catmeow72[m]>
Probably not a good idea to use it for this then, especially if you're going to install off of it.
<catmeow72[m]>
You'd be left with an unbootable system if it failed.
<Begas_VM>
letting go for now (heading of to the grandchildren)
<OscarL>
:-(
<Begas_VM>
cu later and thanks!
<OscarL>
take care!
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<fraZ0R>
ok, SO.
<fraZ0R>
it appears that I am in possession of an entire spare 160 GB hard drive, hooked up to a USB port.
<catmeow72[m]>
A little overkill for an ISO.
<fraZ0R>
yeah :P
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<fraZ0R>
on the plus side, i dont think space is an issue anymore, assuming I can boot off of this thing
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<fraZ0R>
ok this thing's partitions do not seem to be formatted to any file format which is. weird?
<catmeow72[m]>
You mean the Haiku ISO?
<fraZ0R>
no, the 160 GB spare hard drive
<catmeow72[m]>
It's possible it just has an unrecognizable file system or partition table.
<fraZ0R>
how do i even format this do I just sorta... do the same thing I did to the SD Card? that doesnt feel right
<fraZ0R>
at this point i kinda want to have a live hard drive because that sounds kinda cool tbh
<catmeow72[m]>
It should work. Although, Etcher may not allow USB hard drives.
<fraZ0R>
"this is a large drive! make sure it doesn't contain files that you want to keep!" yeah no shit
<PulkoMandy>
yes, you can use etcher for that
<fraZ0R>
"warning, you are about to erase an unusually large drive" haha wow
<PulkoMandy>
the Haiku partition will still be small when you do that, so it's mainly useful to then install to another drive, but once you have it all running, nothing prevents you from installing Haiku back from the internal drive to the external one if you want, and then use that as a live usb drive
<fraZ0R>
yeah i very much want to use an entire hard drive as a live "USB" because that sounds rad tbh
<catmeow72[m]>
You could install it in a VM with that USB drive attached.
<catmeow72[m]>
That's the safest way to do it.
<fraZ0R>
so, spin up a Windows VM, install haiku to that VM, and then use that VM to install haiku to the drive?
<catmeow72[m]>
You don't need to install anything to that VM
<catmeow72[m]>
Basically, create a blank VM, attach the Haiku ISO and the USB drive to the VM, then install Haiku to the USB drive.
<fraZ0R>
... well it seems i have to do that because trying to boot off of this hard drive gives the same "unknown error"
<catmeow72[m]>
If you can't boot the LiveUSB, you can't boot the installed system most likely. They both use the same bootloader.
<catmeow72[m]>
But you could try booting it in BIOS mode.
<fraZ0R>
... i got it.
<fraZ0R>
booting it from bios legacy mode
<catmeow72[m]>
I should have thought of that earlier.
<catmeow72[m]>
You might be able to install the EFI system from that mode, but you have to manually install the bootloader.
<catmeow72[m]>
You have to do that anyway, so it isn't that big of a deal.
<catmeow72[m]>
The only way to get around that is to install it in BIOS mode.
<catmeow72[m]>
It might be your graphics driver, or a lot of other things.
<fraZ0R>
should probably hold shift on launch then, like the instructions say?
<catmeow72[m]>
Yes.
<fraZ0R>
oh wow the hard drive made such a weird sound when i turned off the laptop
<catmeow72[m]>
They do that. Hard drives don
<fraZ0R>
ok i am at the haiku bootloader
<catmeow72[m]>
Look for a safe video mode.
<fraZ0R>
is just "safe mode" good?
<catmeow72[m]>
That will do more than just fix graphics driver issues.
<fraZ0R>
oh, fail-safe graphics driver
<PulkoMandy>
"use failsafe graphics driver" is probably enough
<fraZ0R>
thats probably it
<catmeow72[m]>
Yes
<catmeow72[m]>
If that doesn't work, then try safe mode.
<PulkoMandy>
(if it's not you can try the other options)
<fraZ0R>
ok i am again greeted by everything lighting up and then Nothing Happening
<fraZ0R>
gonna try safe mode now
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<lcminer>
Hey, does anyone know the domain of old BeOS official website? I am trying to find it wayback machine, only thing I've found is beincorporated.com, but that's not the website with software database
<erysdren>
be.com
<erysdren>
oh woops
<erysdren>
lcminer i found a list of mirrors of ftp://ftp.be.com/pub/
<erysdren>
not sure if that has anything to do with the software database though
<erysdren>
ah, i found a reference to BeDepot.com as well
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<botifico-c849d97b>
[haiku/website] Zardshard 3c4e7cf - Post GSOC status update
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<fraZ0R>
ok its been about an hour and i still haven't gotten past the startup screen, even when plugging the drive into a different pc
<fraZ0R>
safe mode's not helping
<jmairboeck>
fraZ0R: ironically I just had the same problem with my nightly system. 2 days ago it still worked, and booting an older state also didn't work, surprisingly.
<fraZ0R>
huh
<augiedoggie>
you could enable on-screen debug to see what it's waiting on
<jmairboeck>
I am currently running checkfs on the disk in my beta 4 VM
<fraZ0R>
oh thats a good idea
<fraZ0R>
well oh dear
<fraZ0R>
it doesnt seem to be waiting as much as it seems to have actually crashed
<fraZ0R>
so like. was this sorta thing already fixed in a nightly then?
<waddlesplash>
this is beta4?
<waddlesplash>
some of these were fixed, yes
<fraZ0R>
yeah it is beta4
<fraZ0R>
i suppose i will try the nightly then
<waddlesplash>
you can try a nightly however there are indeed PCI regressions atm
<waddlesplash>
thanks to x512[m] I have a clue of what to fix there
<waddlesplash>
I will hopefully push a fix before the day is out
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<fraZ0R>
oh nice, think i'll wait until then in that case
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<Niklas[m]>
Hey people :) After an OpenBSD update horribly broke my preferred laptop yesterday, I chose to use the one with Haiku more again. So far I'm quite happy, but is it still true that Haiku doesn't support any external displays at all? I don't care if it's an additional workspace or just mirrored, all I need is having the movie on my television instead of the small built-in screen. Can I do that or will I have to use one of the BSD laptops instead
<Niklas[m]>
for that job?
<PulkoMandy>
it depends on the graphics driver and the laptop
<PulkoMandy>
for mirroring at least
<PulkoMandy>
additional workspace works but only on some 20 year old videocards, no one has implemented it on modern hardware somehow
<Niklas[m]>
It uses the VESA driver. Has some Intel Celeron CPU with integrated graphics
<OscarL>
even my Atom N450 based netbook can drive an external monitor (I just need to plug in the VGA connector before booting up :-D)
<PulkoMandy>
in the case of VESA, sometimes you have to switch to the correct display mode (mirrored, or external only) using hardware hotkeys and before Haiku is booted
<PulkoMandy>
I want to look into doing multiple displays support in the EFI driver but didn't have time to dig into that yet
<Niklas[m]>
I first plugged it in while it was running, then I left it plugged in while rebooting, both with the same result
<Niklas[m]>
The BIOS doesn't have any settings which display to use. Are there any other hidden settings?
<OscarL>
does your laptop has dedicated keys to switch screen modes? if so, try what PulkoMandy suggested: use those keys while you're on the boot menu, for example.