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<Udi> x512[m] I meant Haiku Depot
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<Udi> nmap is giving me hard time. Am I naming the network interface correctly? /dev/net/idualwifi7260/0
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<Udi> applications think my caps is locked while it is not. Any idea?
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<waddlesplash> test builds available with new user_mutex code, link on the forums: https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/test-builds-new-user-mutex-code/13575
<waddlesplash> in my testing, this doubles GLTeapot's FPS, among quite a lot of other latency reductions
<waddlesplash> these changes were pretty challenging to get right, I debugged a lot of very frustrating deadlocks while writing them. the end result is obviously worth it, though
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
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<nielx[m]> Currently in progress of updating discuss.haiku-os.org
<nielx[m]> In-application backup in Discourse done, currently doing an additional database backup
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<Begasus_64> cudatext up and running on 64bit :)
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<nielx[m]> Do we want to enable the new Discourse sidebar? https://blog.discourse.org/2023/01/discourse-3-0-is-here/
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<Begasus> never used it, so I wouldn't know nielx[m] :)
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<nielx[m]> Going to apply the newer version (3.0.4) now
<nielx[m]> Discourse is upgrading
<nielx[m]> Looks like we're back, enabled the sidebar
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<Begasus_64> OscarL, awake? :)
<Begasus_64> import error with python39 in cudatext: https://ibb.co/2P1qwcB
<Begasus_64> import seems ok with python37: https://ibb.co/GWHh8Dk
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<Begasus> forum got an update too or related to your work nielx[m] ?
<Begasus> nvm, saw it just now :)
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<OscarL> Hi Begasus. Tried using "LD_PRELOAD=/boot/system/develop/lib/libpython3.9.so ./CudaText" yet?
<Begasus> OscarL, did that the other day and yes it works (need to check that again on 64bit though)
<Begasus> but why doesn't it need it for python37?
<OscarL> no idea, really.
<OscarL> no relevant change (on the recipe side of things at least) between those versions.
<OscarL> but can't really tell what else might have changed from the configure/make side of things.
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<OscarL> (or from one of the dependencies, for that matter)
<Begasus> the 32bit version is at the depot, maybe you could debug it somewhere there? :)
<OscarL> I saw you had to add iconv, or something like that for the 32 bits one, right? That fixed the "symbol missing" errors there?
<Begasus> that's still using python3.9
<OscarL> or there was some other fix?
<Begasus> the iconv was missing from the package recipe (policy error)
<Begasus> the actual linking error with ivonv is in fpc source (which is fixed in the one at haikuports but not upstreamed)
<OscarL> all "a bit" over my head, really. Not really good with linking / .so issues :-/
<Begasus> well no need to think about iconv, that's fixed :)
<OscarL> and all relevant packages on your 64 bit install reflect that already, right? (trying to rule out things, just in case).
<OscarL> if that LD_PRELOAD thing works on 64 bits, I would think that possibly there's a mismatch on where CudaText tries to load libpython3.9.so from, and where the C extensions (Python modules as "math" for example) do.
<OscarL> Maybe either CudaText or the modules have a hardcoded "rpath", something like "/packages/[blablalbla]/lib/libpython3.9.so" vs /system/[..]/libpython3.9.so vs just "libpython3.9.so" and let the OS search for it.
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<Begas_VM> on 32bit now: ERROR: Exception in CudaText for cuda_prefs.dlg_cuda_options: ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'cuda_prefs'
<Begasus> bugger ... not there yet
<OscarL> if it is a problem with a hardcoded search path for the lib... this one might come in handy (at least to try/test, before a proper fix): https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/pull/8639
<OscarL> (it modifies the binaries, so, make backups before trying it)
<OscarL> btw, Begasus, you can upload binaries and use those for github Releases, no need to add them in the git repo. and you coulld use a .gitignore fie for all tose .o and .ppu files too :-D
<Begas_VM> the hpkg for 32bit is already on that release note (only got the src.tar.gz for creating the package with the recipe :)
<Begas_VM> but I could just as well grab it through srcGitRev (as I'm doing atm still for 64bit)
<Begas_VM> reboot
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<OscarL> I meant this, for example: https://github.com/Begasus/CudaText-Haikuports/tree/hpkg/files/hpkg/ (should not be needed, AFAIK)
<Begasus> ah right :)
<Begasus> fiddling a bit there :)
<Begasus> added to be able to grab it here to attatch that to the release :)
<Begasus> also first time for me :P
<OscarL> Undersood. Did similar for my first release too (https://github.com/OscarL/MatrixSS/releases)
<OscarL> for the second one, found the drag-and-drop target while editing the release :-D
<Begasus> my VM's are doing strange things, having a hard time to connect to the network :/
<Begasus> hight network traffic, cpu's are up to about 50% ...
<Begasus> did anything change recently on the beta?
<OscarL> nothing new since 3 weeks.
<OscarL> Is your Win11 doing updates on the background?
<OscarL> k, getting those "resolve symbol" messages when running CudaText from Terminal.
<Begasus> come to think of it, got an update for the driver on Windows yesterday
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<Begasus> OscarL, open the default settings in options (iirc)
<Begasus> you would get an top line where you can click on (that should open the options for cudatext)
<OscarL> it opens it (but I've started with LD_PRELOAD=)
<Begasus> ah :)
<OscarL> and fails without it.
<OscarL> same error as in your 64 bits screenshot.
<OscarL> and some EAccessViolation after closing CudaText :-D (without LD_PRELOAD)
<Begasus> yeah (only shown after closing it)
<OscarL> "readelf -d CudaText" shows that damn "rpath" being set to "./:15533ORIGIN"
<Begasus> 0x0000000f (RPATH) Library rpath: [./:7375ORIGIN]
<OscarL> I'm almost willing to bet that using chrpath to remove it, will fix the issue.
<Begasus> had that on 32bit
<Begasus> can't get the network to connect on 64bit now :/
<OscarL> I'm on 32 bits, and I got that "./:15533ORIGIN"
<OscarL> will try to compile my draft recipe for chrpath, and give it a go.
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<Begasus> 23bit still connects
<Begasus> will give 64bit a kick again later
<Begas_VM> Error: chrpath_x86-0.16 doesn't exist in sources! Define SOURCE_DIR in recipe??
<Begas_VM> portVersionedName ... tss
<Begas_VM> no need for SOURCE_DIR
<Begas_VM> man!
<Begas_VM> OscarL did you check this before on 32bit? :P
<OscarL> as detailed on the DRAFT PR... no :-D
<Begasus> lol
<OscarL> "Tested (very lightly) only on beta4 64 bits." at least I was honest :-D
<Begasus> I would suspect that atleast you tried a "build" on 32bit ;)
<OscarL> one of the reasons to leave it as Draft, the other one, we should not really need this tool (assuming sane build systems are in place)
<Begasus> OscarL, what "binaries" does it change? the system ones or the ones build with it installed?
<OscarL> the one you use against.., say "chrpath ./CudaText" (not sure about the parameters now)
<Begasus> so no changes made in the system?
<OscarL> none that I'm aware of. it should only alter the rpath thing on binaries/libraries you point it at.
<Begasus> now that I can build/rebuild with lazarus it shouldn't be a problem for cudatext
<Begas_VM> ~/CudaText_up/src/CudaText/app> chrpath-x86 ./cudatext
<Begas_VM> ./cudatext: RPATH=./:5102ORIGIN
<Begas_VM> not really helpful :)
<OscarL> read the fine manual yet?
<OscarL> try "chrpath-x86 -d ./cudatext"
<Begas_VM> hmm ... need to switch to python 3.9 here
<OscarL> welp, no change after removing the rpath.
<OscarL> but what I don't see, is CudaText linking to libpython3.9.so.
<OscarL> not shown in "readelf -d CudaText", for example
<Begas_VM> no change
<Begas_VM> yeah already mentioned upstream
<OscarL> maybe it is libqt5pas the one that should be linking to libpython3.9.so instead?
<OscarL> (just thinking out loud, I don't know enough about how these pieces come together)
<Begasus> it's not related to python afaik
<OscarL> then it is weird that LD_PRELOAD makes is go away, no?
<Begasus> yeah, also mentioned there :/
<OscarL> could it be because libpython3.9.so is located under develop/lib and not under /system/lib?
<OscarL> I don't have 3.7 anymore. Where did that version put libpython3.7m.so?
<Begas_VM> fidled around with paths/libnames there too, no changes
<Begas_VM> it will give you an error if python3.7 isn't installed
<Begas_VM> NOTE: No Python 3 engine found. Python plugins don't work now. To fix this:
<OscarL> damn, now I got 3.7 installed again. sigh.
<Begas_VM> ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'cuda_prefs' (maybe related because mixed arch?)
<OscarL> first we need to find what its linking against 3.7, and move that to 3.9, I think,
<Begas_VM> getting that for all python versions (on 64bit it was ok for python3.7)
<OscarL> https://github.com/Alexey-T/Python-for-Lazarus <<< is this one using Python 3.7 or 3.9 on Haiku?
<Begas_VM> checking ...
<Begasus> not specificly for haiku, but those should be ok?
<Begasus> biab
<OscarL> damn... uninstalled Python 3.7.16... and ends up being that I also have Python 3.7.14 still installed ?!?!?
<Begas_VM> lol
<Begas_VM> had that a while ago after an update for imagemagick, oh and 2 different python3.9 packages installed
<OscarL> Seems like I had an older CudaText too.
<OscarL> no more 3.7 installed, and new CudaText still starts ok.
<OscarL> with those "resolve symbol" messages, but it finds Python 3.9.17
<OscarL> and it starts much faster now
<OscarL> (fixed the chrpath recipe)
<Begas_VM> still getting that module not found
<OscarL> I'm tempted to use that SYS:ENV trick, to set LD_PRELOAD for CudaText binary :-D
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<OscarL> can't change it with chrpath, because "/system/develop/lib/x86" does not fits on the 14 bytes is has available for that :-/
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<Begas_VM> should be there ... /boot/home/CudaText_up/src/CudaText/app/py/cuda_prefs
<OscarL> the error is misleading.
<OscarL> it is not that it does not finds "cuda_prefs", rather, there's an error when loading that module.
<Begas_VM> oh ... :/
<OscarL> the error being... some thing in there needs a symbol from libpython3xx,so... and it can even find the dam library.
<Begas_VM> sticking to python3.7 here for the time being, no use in keep switching version untill I can load that module (did work on 64bit)
<OscarL> I rather use LD_PRELOAD than require anything older than the default Python version on Haiku but... not my call :-)
<OscarL> the problem is not on cuda_prefs in particular, I think. it will fail whenever you try to make it use one any functionality that relies on python extensions.
<OscarL> "Plugings->Addon Manager -> Install..." for example.
<Begas_VM> right, seeing that too now
<OscarL> Something it's either not linking to libpython3.9.so as it should, or some library search path gets screwed.
<OscarL> possibly because CudaText (or some of its components, or ones from Lazarus/fpc, I don't know) is specting some Linuxy behaviour that we don't follow.
<Begas_VM> a bit more info: https://bpa.st/KMLJM
<OscarL> but that's the extent of what I can figure out, sadly. Maybe one of the other porters/devs with more experience can chime in?
<Begas_VM> aha!
<OscarL> I don't know now it starts the python interpreter, for example.
<Begas_VM> got it to work :)
<OscarL> s/now/how/
<Begas_VM> seems it needs the py directory in settingsdir (read-write probably?)
<Begas_VM> symbol not found with python3.9
<OscarL> unrelated but... do we really need $dataDir/cudatext/lib/i386-haiku on the package?
<Begas_VM> haven't changed that from the original work roided did
<OscarL> those files there seems to just be intermediary/artifact files from the compilation process, not something that should be really needed after CudaText is generated (I think, at least :-D).
<Begas_VM> aren't those plugins or so?
<OscarL> AFAICT, no. just like .o for a .cpp.
<OscarL> but in this case... .pas -> .ppu -> .o
<Begas_VM> checking repology ...
<Begasus> not much there (we're ahead on the others though) :)
<Begasus> but looking at the source there is no lib directory, so created during build
<OscarL> and then all that gets copied under ~/condig/settings/cudatext ?
<Begasus> at this moment I've installed data and py in $dataDir
<Begasus> but py should go to ~/config/setings/...
<OscarL> the post install script copied all of that under settings, or so it seems.
<OscarL> ot mayb that was from the older CudaText?
<Begasus> also, installing plugins want to do that to $dataDir (that won't work)
<Begasus> yep older postinstall
<OscarL> 08/09/2022 yikes-
<Begasus> newer only cp the default_settings
<OscarL> the more crap I delete, the faster CudaText starts :-D
<OscarL> 90ms now.
<OscarL> (for the "plugins" part)
<Begas_VM> only works with python3.7: https://ibb.co/kGzLzmC
<Begas_VM> delete?
<OscarL> I removed those lib and py from settings folder.
<Begas_VM> well, you probably gonna need the py in there
<OscarL> starts fine with LD_PRELOAD still
<Begas_VM> well ... :P
<Begas_VM> shouldn't need that ;)
<OscarL> unless CudaText is also using py from settings/... no point in having it for now :-)
<OscarL> and also, it was the py and data from the older CudaText so...
<OscarL> copying the newer one shows that CudaText does not touches them (as no __pycache__ dir appears in there)
<Begas_VM> installing plugins seem to work for python :)
<Begas_VM> the new one (at my repo) searches for py in $dataDir (reverted that change in the source here)
<OscarL> that dir being read-only shouldn't matter that much, AFAIK, from Python's side. It means it looses a bit of performance, as it can't save the compiled bytecode, but should work still.
<Begas_VM> (going to need to clean those screenshots once I'm done) :)
<OscarL> (Python normally creates a __pycache__ dir and puts the .pyc/.pyco there for each package/module)
<Begas_VM> well, the "import" part seems to work now for python3.7
<OscarL> (our _python3x packages already include the "precompiled" bytecode files, to speed up things for the matching Python version)
<Begas_VM> still left with https://bpa.st/KMLJM when checking other python versions
<Begas_VM> so the import seems to work there too, but fails with a missing symbol
<Begas_VM> that FD_PRELOAD probably fixes for you
<OscarL> yes.
<OscarL> Again, not sure how CudaText (or that python4delphi) loads/start the Python interpreter, or what things it is doing that work on 3.7 but not on the others.
<OscarL> could be as simple as one of those chdir() fixes, or something more complex, but I can't tell.
<Begas_VM> np, thanks for brainstorming, at least I know how to "fix" this for now with python3.7
<Begas_VM> still strange it worked for 64bit though (without changes) (with python3.7) :)
<OscarL> didn't it worked for 3.7 already? what did you fix for it?
<Begas_VM> nothing on 64bit, on 32bit reverted the look for the py directory
<Begas_VM> and cp'd it to settings
<OscarL> leaving it under settings should make it a bit faster (and also allow to use more than one python version, either with LD_PRELOAD, or when we find the issue and fix it)
<Begas_VM> well, it probably solves installing plugins too for python
<Begas_VM> weird? ;) https://ibb.co/CMrgXZ6
<ermo[m]> Does Haiku have redshift-like functionality at this stage?
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<zard> Hello
<zard> Hopefully my internet works better than it did yesterday
<Begas_VM> hope for you too zard :)
<Begas_VM> k, sticking with python3.7 for now OscarL, not going on a witchhunt when it's working ok
<OscarL> ermo[m]: not built in, and I don't know of any third party tool for that either.
<ermo[m]> thanks =)
<ermo[m]> is the underlying display code even "ready" for that kind of thing...?
<OscarL> Begas_VM: as you see it fit. I guess I'll just have to use a hacked up version, as I'm not going back to installing 3.7 just for CudaText (already left it due to its usage of 3.6 last year :-D)
<Begas_VM> for now can live with that OscarL (untill a sollution pops up) :)
<OscarL> not sure ermo[m]. Don't think there's a "compositor" yet. Better ask one of the devs :-D
<OscarL> the solution is SYS:ENV atrribute with LD_PRELOAD, IMO, but.... time for me to go to sleep :-D
<OscarL> Thanks for your hard work Begas_VM!
<Begas_VM> k, will mention upstream
<OscarL> read you later!
<Begas_VM> thanks OscarL!
<Begas_VM> cu!
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<OscarL> Begas_VM: just to be clear, when I said "solution", I really meant "work-around", and by SYS:ENV. I meant something like this: https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Ahaikuports%2Fhaikuports+SYS%3AENV&type=code (but for LD_PRELOAD), that's just a Haiku trick.
<OscarL> Now.. off I go for realz.. see ya!
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<Begas_VM> nope :) there's edit for that :)
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<Begasus> zard, you can post again :)
<zard> Ha ha, nice, Begasus :)
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/5afcc903bde1...c4fab2d118ef
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] korli c4fab2d - fribidi: bump version
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/c4fab2d118ef...0b7afd3c7436
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 0b7afd3 - fribidi: fix x86 build
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<Begasus> closing down for today, g'night peeps!
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