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<andreasdr[m]> tqh: :DDD
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
<andreasdr[m]> Hi Begasus
<Begasus> Moin andreasdr[m]
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/67e18066736f...6f0f9b2aff93
<erysdren> good morning
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] OscarL 6f0f9b2 - tqdm: update to version 4.66.1 (#9363)
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/6f0f9b2aff93...4df5ee2a1001
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] OscarL 4df5ee2 - sgmllib3k: new recipe. (#9366)
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/4df5ee2a1001...a10eaf069c1a
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] OscarL a10eaf0 - constantly: style cleanups, fix build. (#9368)
<Begasus> g'morning erysdren
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/a10eaf069c1a...0637fa130c56
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] OscarL 0637fa1 - installer: style cleanups, fix build. (#9369)
<andreasdr[m]> Good morning Erysdren
<erysdren> how's it going today?
<erysdren> it actually is morning for me now, heh. it's 00:45 and i just woke up
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/0637fa130c56...bb9ef3adad13
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] OscarL bb9ef3a - feedparser: update to version 6.0.10 (#9367)
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+60/-60/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/bb9ef3adad13...69c8be6b4e4d
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] kwyxz 69c8be6 - libretro cores: bump (#9370)
<Begasus> web+ is acting up today :/
<erysdren> in FOSS news, i just got my hands on more previously unreleased BRender SDK distributions
<erysdren> thanks to someone who bought them back in the mid 90s
<win8linux[m]> Heh, there's a discussion over on KDE's Visual Design Group talking about issues with SVG icon scaling.
<win8linux[m]> s/a/some/, s/discussion/talk/
<win8linux[m]> Some of it is rather reminiscent of the problems HVIF is meant to solve.
<win8linux[m]> Then someone suggested porting over HVIF as a solution.
<win8linux[m]> * Heh, there's some talk over on KDE's Visual Design Group chat talking about issues with SVG icon scaling.
<win8linux[m]> Aside from necessitating a cross-platform HVIF icon editor and fitting an entirely different icon style into HVIF limits, how feasible would it be to have HVIF on other systems?
<erysdren> i wouldn't know, but i like the idea of the format spreading outside Haiku
<Begasus> Maybe if IOM could be ported over there win8linux[m]? Don't know if that's possible though ...
<win8linux[m]> Prolly better to make another HVIF icon editor with Qt instead.
<Begasus> biab
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<PulkoMandy> win8linux[m]: there is already a Rust/cairo renderer for HVIF. So, it's not just feasable, it's already done
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<win8linux[m]> ooooohhhh
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<erysdren> what are some other Haiku/BeOS specific file formats? like HVIF?
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<erysdren> i'm also having trouble finding an HVIF file example
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<Begas_VM> nice, cudatext latest fine on 32bit too :)
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<Anarchos> hello
<Begas_VM> Hi Anarchos
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<Anarchos> Begas_VM i am trying to use BeAM to send my email back on the oulook server...
<Begas_VM> haven't used any mail app on Haiku for a while now Anarchos :)
<Begas_VM> biab, reboot
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<Begasus> re
<Begasus> back on bare metal :)
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<Anarchos> Begasus should be faster :)
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/69c8be6b4e4d...053a6ba8df68
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 053a6ba - cudatext, bump version, switch to default python3.10 (#9371)
<Begasus> yeah, had to checkout cudatext on 32bit (first rebuild fpc/lazarus) :)
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<Begasus> Nice, Haiku on the map again :) "Thanks! I added short info Haiku: unofficial builds <URL> at the homepage."
<erysdren> howdy Begasus, what are some Haiku-specific file formats?
<erysdren> the only one that comes to mind for me is HVIF
<Begasus> not really an idea erysdren, better to ask one of the main devs there
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<Begasus> and ... changes upstreamed for CudaText :)
<Begasus> Even Lazarus was fine to build the latest changes :)
<Begasus> reboot, bbl
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<PulkoMandy> erysdren: styled text (used by StyledEdit) and email files are also Haiku/BeOS specific.Possibly also serialized BMessage, BPicture, and maybe the driver-settings file format (somewhat similar to .ini files from windows but a bit different)
<erysdren> ic ic
<erysdren> i ask because i'm interested in writing Kaitai Struct specs for the files that a non-native application might want to parse
<erysdren> like HVIF
<HaikuUser> Hi-ku!
<erysdren> good morning!
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<Begasus> re ... had to reboot to Windows to be able to login at gitlab :/
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<cocobean> OscarL: AGG? Tools like Inkscape 1.3, Affinity Designer 2.1, WonderBrush 3 (not finished) on Haiku.
<OscarL> cocobean: I know what it is used for (matplotlib also has a vendored version with fixes, BTW). I was just wondering why the insistence on pushing changes that are not upstreamed/released, or from unstable URLs.
<OscarL> I understand that it would be nice to have it updated it, and with clear license and released from "upstream". Just found it a bit odd/funny at the time the repeated attempts to push recipe changes that were not ready for prime time. That's all.
<cocobean> I fixed that.
<OscarL> the URL is still wrong. SOURCE_URIs should be stable.
<cocobean> There is no new release yet.
<OscarL> that's the point.
<cocobean> Put patches were based on previous stable releases.
<cocobean> (but)
<OscarL> Either you wait for a release, or use a release as SOURCE_URI + patchset.
<OscarL> cocobean: that's just my view, of course, so take that as you see it fit :-)
<cocobean> :D
<cocobean> Point taken.
<Begasus> 'lo OscarL and cocobean
<cocobean> lo' Begasus
<OscarL> at some point I think even waddlesplash thought about setting up a repo for AGG, trying to gather all the different patches from different forks (seems the ones from matplotlib went under the radar).. but that seems like it went nowhere.
<OscarL> Hi Begasus.
<cocobean> congrats on early retirement..... celebrations for next year.
<Begasus> not there yet ;)
<Begasus> OscarL, change on line 70 needed? ;)
<OscarL> why not? :-D
<OscarL> I like my phrases end in a proper dot.
<Begasus> it doesn't add anything functional there? :P
<OscarL> :-P
<Begasus> lol
<OscarL> style cleanups (or typo fixes in comments) never do either, but we do them anyway :D
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/053a6ba8df68...88af4d64c834
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] OscarL 88af4d6 - tqdm: fix build. (#9372)
<Begasus> or try to ;)
<cocobean> OscarL: I using the latest "release" used other devs forking AGG for their projects - yet now we have the latest patches included for Haiku Icons work and other projects.
<OscarL> I think that my thinking was... if the people more involved in (Zardshard, and devs working on app_server) do not seem to be in a real hurry about it... it doesn't seems to justfify rushed recipes updates.
<Begasus> Wanted to do the same for fltk, didn't make it also (yet) :)
<cocobean> OscarL: Allows people to work on an external lib testing before kernel integration/updating to the other AGG fork.
<cocobean> As I reviewed in the forum.
<Begasus> ps, changes for cudatext imported upstream OscarL :)
<OscarL> cocobean: Welp... we all work in whatever we please, so... carry on :-)
<Begasus> even the one for the pythonforlazarus
<OscarL> the one about RTLD_NOW too?
<Begasus> yep
<OscarL> NOICE!
<cocobean> No worries.. it was the same issue with the gutenprint 9+ kernel updating.
<Begasus> small change there after :)
<Begasus> nice to know that ($ifdef haiku) works nice in pascal
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<OscarL> cool.
<OscarL> Alright... with tqdm out of the way... I only know of two Python packages still giving problems... numpy on 32 bits (might work with just a rev-bump?), and scipy on both (libgfortran.so issue). Time for me to work on Py 3.12 a bit more.
<Begasus> go for it :)
<Begasus> got to head out again with the wife in a bit also, liking this cudatext more and more :)
<cocobean> Hope she is feeling better.
<OscarL> +1 (on both cocobean's wishes for your wife's health, and on liking CudaText)
<Begasus> yeah, for only 2 weeks after the operation she's doing quite well
<OscarL> mmm, git eat my "stash" :-/
<Begasus> got some nice text highlithing for python files too :D
<OscarL> (or BFS did, after my PC crashed badly the other day). Oh well.
<OscarL> Begasus: autocomplete for Python working well too.
<Begasus> yeah, those lexers/plugins work pretty well
<Begasus> should ask if he can make one specialy for recipes ;)
<Begasus> k, bbl
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<qwebirc86194> hi
<erysdren> hi
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<Anarchos> i can send new mail from BeAM but i can't put old mail back on servers (which i should be able to in imap mode, if i understand accurately)
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<OscarL> good-guy humdinger replying to ticket #18459 with my exact thoughts, but using better English that I could master :-)
<OscarL> s/that/than, darn it!
<Begasus> re
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<OscarL> "make $jobArgs" and "--enable-optimizations" do not match, again. "libgcov profiling error: [...]". Slow Python builds it is then... /me kills the ongoing one.
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<Begasus> eat that! installed Dutch translation add-on and cudatext instantly switches :D
<Begasus> still at python3.12 OscarL?
<OscarL> Begasus: yup. Took a break for a pizza, thou :-)
<Begasus> multi tasking? ;)
<OscarL> was too hungry for that :-D (whole pizza dissapeared as if by magic! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ )
<Begasus> heh
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<nephele> it's very fascinating how such a small microsd card can hold a terrabyte worth of data
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<OscarL> specially when compared to when I used to haul around 2 cases of 10x 5-1/4 diskettes (mix of 360 KB and 1.2 MB ones), only 30 years ago :-D
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<nephele> heh, indeed
<nephele> Now i have this incredibly small card i can put in my steam deck and put soooo many games onto it
<nephele> it
<nephele> 's unreal
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/88af4d64c834...8f3040f87d89
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 8f3040f - aspell_ca, bump version (#9373)
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<nephele> is there some documentation on the whole LowUIColor and ViewUIColor calls and how they fit together? i'm really struggling trying to make even basic patches for some applications as i can't figure out why some text stays black and such
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<OscarL> (last time I read any of that was in 2005, doing some sort of OSD, and trying to do "transparent" windows :-D)
<OscarL> https://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/bebook/TheInterfaceKit_Drawing.html 's section "The View Color" and "Graphics Environment" might also be of help...
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<OscarL> From the latter: "The terminology high and low is meant to keep the sense of two opposing colors and to match how they're defined in a pattern"
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<OscarL> k. Seems we have a working python 3.12.0, release candidate 2, same day it came out. Handling the final release (next month) should be just a matter of switching the SOURCE_URI/CHECKSUM.
<Begasus> crossing fingers OscarL :)
<OscarL> According to Python's docs... release should be just rc2 (code-wise), with fixes in docs/release notes, etc. (barring someone finding a last minute deal-breaker bug).
<OscarL> So we're on a good track :-) (assuming my PR survives review when the time comes :-P)
<OscarL> Time for a movie, and for what's left of the second pizza :-D
<OscarL> See you later Begasus!
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<Begasus> closing down here, cu peeps!
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<Anarchos> how to change an attribute to 5214 files which are the result of a query
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<OscarL> Anarchos: `ls /bin/*attr` will list the commands that you can use to script/automate the process.
<OscarL> (a read/modify/save loop over the results of the `query` command)
<Anarchos> i wonder if addattr can replace attibute.
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<OscarL> not sure if replace it, but you can always get the value with listattr, save that, use rmattr, and then addattr.
<Anarchos> for the loop, i thought to something like ' query MAIL:account=XXX |xargs addattr YYYYY'
<OscarL> yeah, either that, or some bash array looping (array being something like RESULT=`query ...`).
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<Anarchos> addattr replaces attributes, so my pipe xargs solution will work
<OscarL> nice!
<Anarchos> OscarL will try
<OscarL> do backups! :-D
<Anarchos> OscarL i am zipping my old mails before doing that
<OscarL> +1
<Anarchos> OscarL i think BeAM don't synchronize those messages on server back, cause the MAIL:account attribute is not the same in messages as configured in the BeAM account preferences
<Anarchos> my2 cents
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<zdykstra> what attribute do you need to change?
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<Anarchos> zdykstra i want to test if changing MAIL:account will trigger a synchronisation with the imap server
<OscarL> there was no way to enable imap for the original account, I pressume, right? (just to be sure)
<zdykstra> oh, Beam
<OscarL> (perils of having "leave message on server" disable by default, I guess.)
<OscarL> or whatever that setting was called :-D
<Anarchos> OscarL at first i was on pop, and it made a mess in my outlook account...
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* OscarL should remember to use the "mute topic" feature of the forums more frequently.
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<OscarL> (the irony of *I* muting things isn't lost on me :-P)
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<cocobean> Possibly, line join (miter join/LINE_JOIN_MITER_REVERT) and Compositing and Blending in Canvas 2D for HaikuWebKit can get fixed too....
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