<coolcoder613_32>
So, In safe mode options, select use safe video mode, and in select screen resolution, select your screens resolution
<RobinHood2024>
The nearest option I have is "use fail-safe graphics driver"; is that right?
<rennj>
the blind leading the blind
<rennj>
coolcoder613_32, kick rennj classic
<rennj>
nasty
<coolcoder613_32>
RobinHood2024: yes
<coolcoder613_32>
rennj: I only have one Haiku computer out, and i'm using it right now, so i can't check the option names
<rennj>
your still nasty...
<coolcoder613_32>
Why?
<coolcoder613_32>
It's not like I could actually /kick you
<coolcoder613_32>
not being a channel op
<RobinHood2024>
I, um... seem to be frozen between the fourth and fifth icons on the boot screen
<coolcoder613_32>
Just wait a bit more
<coolcoder613_32>
Also "Irony is when someone says 'Your an idiot'"
<coolcoder613_32>
From /bin/fortune
<RobinHood2024>
Got it! I have a desktop, but the installation program has not launched.
<coolcoder613_32>
You can run Installer from the application menu
<coolcoder613_32>
*applications
<coolcoder613_32>
RobinHood2024: Just out of curiousity, what kind of laptop is it?
<RobinHood2024>
This is an HP Compaq NC6000.
<coolcoder613_32>
I have a HP Compaq 6830s, but it has screen issues
<coolcoder613_32>
It was my first Haiku machine
<RobinHood2024>
Okay, I've got it installed :D now... what about network and Internet connectivity? First of all, is Wi-Fi possible?
<coolcoder613_32>
yes
<coolcoder613_32>
depending on the hardware
<coolcoder613_32>
it a bit hit and miss
<coolcoder613_32>
*it's a bit
<coolcoder613_32>
Worst case you need a usb wifi dongle
<coolcoder613_32>
The network icon is in the tray under the leaf menu
<coolcoder613_32>
you can check if it's seeing networks
<RobinHood2024>
It sees my Ethernet port, but not the built-in Wi-Fi hardware.
<coolcoder613_32>
try clicking on open network preferences
<RobinHood2024>
I have a "broadcom570x/0" Ethernet device, and a "usb_rndis/0" device which I'm using to access the Internet
<RobinHood2024>
no mention of any Wi-Fi hardware at all
<coolcoder613_32>
Then apparently your wifi hardware is not supported
<coolcoder613_32>
try opening Devices from Applications and try to find your wifi card
<coolcoder613_32>
Try setting order by to connection in devices
<RobinHood2024>
Yes, it's detected. It's a "PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Mini PCI Adapter" from Intel Corporation
<coolcoder613_32>
What's the Device name field?
<coolcoder613_32>
*What's in
<RobinHood2024>
"PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Mini PCI Adapter"
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<coolcoder613_32>
try running install-wifi-firwares.sh from Terminal?
<coolcoder613_32>
*install-wifi-firmwares.sh
<RobinHood2024>
Okay, do I need to reboot? Because I've run the shell script, and the drivers seem to have installed correctly, but I'm still not seeing the Wi-Fi hardware.
<coolcoder613_32>
Yes, reboot
<coolcoder613_32>
Did you rebot after you installed?
<coolcoder613_32>
*reboot
<coolcoder613_32>
And remove the install media?
<RobinHood2024>
Got it. I can now see some Wi-Fi networks.
<coolcoder613_32>
That's good
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<RobinHood2024>
The problem is, the network I need may be too advanced for my particular hardware.
<coolcoder613_32>
5G?
<coolcoder613_32>
and not 2.4?
<RobinHood2024>
No, it's a 2.4 GHz network, but for some reason my hardware isn't picking it up...
<RobinHood2024>
I mean, I know it can't handle a 5 GHz network.
<coolcoder613_32>
Try moving closer?
<RobinHood2024>
Well, when I was on (censored), it was able to pick up the network just fine.
<RobinHood2024>
I'm only getting one WiFi network which I don't even use... it's not the one I'm looking for. I've also tried enabling WiFi Hotspot on my phone in 2.4 GHz mode, and it's not picking that up either.
<coolcoder613_32>
strange...
<coolcoder613_32>
what's different about the one it does see
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<RobinHood2024>
I wouldn't know... unless that particular network is only an 802.11a/b/g network, whereas the one I need is an 802.11n network.
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<coolcoder613_32>
My suggestion would be... reboot?
<RobinHood2024>
Tried that... no change.
<coolcoder613_32>
move the laptop right next to the modem, just to make sure
<coolcoder613_32>
*router
<RobinHood2024>
Okay. Ran the command again... that didn't do anything either.
<coolcoder613_32>
I guess you need to either use ethernet or get a USB dongle
<RobinHood2024>
You're probably right. But, as I said, I can get to the Internet when I tether to my cell phone through USB.
<coolcoder613_32>
Or you could do that, yes
<coolcoder613_32>
but it doesn't sound very convenient
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<RobinHood2024>
Not VERY, no, but it does work, and quite well. I can navigate to X f.k.a. Twitter
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<RobinHood2024>
These Web browsers are a pain in the neck... they use waaaaaaaay too much RAM!
<waddlesplash>
RobinHood2024: check the Display preferences for brightness control
<waddlesplash>
sorry, Screen prefs
<waddlesplash>
if the brightness actually dims when you get to the desktop that probably means it's a card we support brightness control for
<RobinHood2024>
There's no brightness control in screen preferences
<RobinHood2024>
But I can tell you that the internal video card is an AMD/ATI card. The Device name field reads "RV350/M10 / RV360/M11 [Mobility Radeon 9600 (PRO) / 9700]".
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<RobinHood2024>
You guys still on?
<coolcoder613>
I'm here
<coolcoder613>
You could probably set a shortcut for brightness, and reboot without fail-safe video mode
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<coolcoder613>
And use the keybaord shortcut to turn it up
<RobinHood2024>
Hmm... How do I configure keyboard shortcuts?
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<coolcoder613>
Shortcuts preflet
<RobinHood2024>
Yes, I found that okay.
<RobinHood2024>
But what program do I need to set my shortcut to?
<coolcoder613>
Actually that would be screenmode --brightness 1 for full brightnesss
<coolcoder613>
refer to screenmode --help
<RobinHood2024>
All right, I'll try that after I'm done updating the system. By the way, what's the command line to open a terminal?
<coolcoder613>
Another terminal?
<RobinHood2024>
Well, I'm looking for a keyboard shortcut to open a terminal.
<coolcoder613>
the command is `Terminal` or `/boot/system/apps/Terminal`
<RobinHood2024>
Got it. Now, I must say, what's got me flummoxed is why the updater applet fails randomly, saying "failed to update package " so-and-so.
<coolcoder613>
try doing it from terminal
<coolcoder613>
pkgman sull-sync
<coolcoder613>
*pkgman full-sync
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<RobinHood2024>
Aw shi. The `screenmode --brightness` commands didn't work.
<coolcoder613>
It would only work without fail-safe graphics
<RobinHood2024>
Well, no, I tried to boot it normally, and got the dark screen. I tried the commands, but they didn't do anything.
<nielx[m]>
Have you received your email from Google yet?
<Calisto>
Yes I did receive the three mails from google
<Calisto>
Am really excited to get started on this project :D
<Begasus>
k, so how did I end up checking Typst ? :P
<Calisto>
I really didn't expect mine to be selected to be very honest considering the other projects had a lot more depth to them but i'm glad nonetheless
<Begasus>
Hi nielx[m] Calisto, Calisto congrats there! :)
<enadasa[m]>
when i click on that it expands to full screen. Using nheko. Nice
<Begasus[m]>
NeoChat 24.04.80 here :)
<enadasa[m]>
As for the story behind the image I sent. Back in elementary school I used to draw those all the time. Cuboid beavers based on a character from a game for the nintendo wii called boom blox.
<Begasus[m]>
Not my favorit character :P
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<PulkoMandy>
ah, this looked slightly familiar, that's where I had seen it (a long time ago)
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<enadasa[m]>
The boom blox wiki is still up by the way.
<PulkoMandy>
My ex girlfriend kept her Wii a few years ago. And I don't really have time for videogames anymore anyways
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<Begasus>
afk
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<RobinHood2024>
Is it possible to install Python on Haiku?
<nosycat>
It comes preinstalled.
<RobinHood2024>
Why, then, when I type `python` or `python3` at a terminal, does it say `command not found`?
<nosycat>
Good question.
<nosycat>
Try to install it now.
<RobinHood2024>
I've searched for "python" in the HaikuDepot app, but all I get is "PostgreSQL."
<zard>
Try switching to the "All Packages" tab
<nosycat>
Or `pkgman search python` in the terminal.
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<RobinHood2024>
Aha! I believe I'm in business... except I just need to create symbolic links to `/home/system/bin/python3.12` because my Python executables are expecting an executable called simply `python3` but not finding it.
<nosycat>
That doesn't sound right.
<nosycat>
But whatever works for you.
<RobinHood2024>
What would /you/ do?
<nosycat>
I'd use a more stable version for one thing.
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<PulkoMandy>
I think the python3 executable is currently python 3.10 so you'd have to install that (I may be off by one version)
<PulkoMandy>
You can try pkgman search cmd:python3 to see which package has it
<RobinHood2024>
Oh, no, it's `/boot/system/bin/python3.12`.
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<PulkoMandy>
Yes, "python3" is available only if you install python 3.10. Maybe the other versions didn't get enough testing yet, or maybe we'll just switch to the latest one shortly before the next haiku release
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<RobinHood2024>
I see if I add `/boot/system/bin` to my $PATH environment variable, I can use executables in that directory from anywhere.
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<PulkoMandy>
There should be /bin in the path, it's a symlink to that
<RobinHood2024>
Whew! This can be exhausting to figure out at times. I mean, I do have quite a bit of experience with Linux and its command line, but when it comes to Haiku I am lost in the cosmos.
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] f657c49d1c8e - app_server: font style 0 may not exist
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 31e7087b07b4 - app_server: remove new font family from the manager in case of error
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 0b8508801b23 - app_server: keep pinned fonts accessible by ID after removal
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 7866929cf9b5 - app_server: make FontFamily referenceable
<waddlesplash>
RobinHood2024: it's really not that different from Linux
<zard>
waddlesplash: My name is misspelled in the GSoC announcement post :^)
<RobinHood2024>
I suppose not... but I've only used Haiku for a short time, just discovering the limits of what it can and cannot do, especially on an old system like the one I'm on now.