<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes a86ac7e - kcalendarcore: bump version
<Calisto>
G'morning Begasus
<Begasus>
Hi there Calisto
<Calisto>
Hiii
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<Calisto>
Finally started coming up with the mock up :)
<Calisto>
It's my first time doing a mock up so I don't k how to exactly do it digitally with a particular software but I'm doing it on OneNote for now
<Begasus>
plenty of tools around for Haiku :)
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<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes d3449d6 - kcalc: bump version
<Begasus>
well, electron is out I guess, don't know about xulrunner?
<Begasus>
3dEyes starting on the apps :)
<Begasus>
whoops ... resolving build dependencies failed: build-prerequires "cmd:glslangvalidator" of package "kquickcharts-5.115.0" could not be resolved
<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes f75e295 - grantlee: bump version
<coolcoder613>
Maybe i shouldn't be keeping the VM on an external HD
<coolcoder613>
By too, i mean like UTM
<coolcoder613>
This laptop only has a 256GB SSD...
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<coolcoder613>
Whereas my Haiku+Linux laptop has a 180GB SSD, but somehow has plenty of space
<andreasdr[m]>
Hi there.
<Begasus>
Hello andreasdr[m]
<coolcoder613>
Could be my downloads taking up 44 GB (according to du -sh)
<Begasus>
heh
<Begasus>
coolcoder613, you could try DiskUsage, gives a nice layout/usage for the disk
<coolcoder613>
or ~/Repos at 26GB (Rust target folders are big, especially with cross-compilation)
* coolcoder613
uses ncdu
<coolcoder613>
on macOS
<coolcoder613>
and Linux
<coolcoder613>
I've never run out of space on Haiku yet ;)
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<phschafft>
as soon as you can use an operating system to view and store porn you'll run out of space on it.
<phschafft>
$professional_opinion.
<coolcoder613>
then there's ~/Library at 17G, and ~/OSes at 11G...
<Begasus>
phschafft, $personal_experience? ;)
<coolcoder613>
~/.ollama (7G)
<phschafft>
Begasus: $work_experience
<coolcoder613>
~/.wine (3.5G)
<Begasus>
heh :D
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<coolcoder613>
~/.rustup (2.8G), ~/.cargo (1.9G)
<phschafft>
I mean the other thing that let you run out of space is when you try to have software that updates itself, not using the package manager of the OS.
<phschafft>
they never have any kind of sanity checks.
<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 1334b96 - grantleetheme: bump version
<phschafft>
like writing your fs full while update, then abort, leaving their tempfiles somewhere in your filesystem they don't belong, and never clean them up later on.
<dcatt>
I have a crazy idea...has anyone thought about LaunchBox supporting replicants?
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<Begasus>
Hi humdinger :)
<andreasdr[m]>
Hi there Humdinger.
<humdinger>
hullo!
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<Begasus>
Hello cocobean
<cocobean>
Begasus: Hi. Dog school today?
<Begasus>
nah, tomorrow
<cocobean>
Was just checking iin to see if anything left to do with less/jasper PR... otherwise, off to the races...
<Begasus>
haven't looked at them in the last days, playing with KF6 :)
<cocobean>
I see.... also saw the KDE/Qt updates.... looking good for Haiku R1B5.... just need Web+ with multimedia player/Youtube functionality added back in and updated for FFMpeg 6.1.1. Heading off....
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<OscarL>
>>> 11:00 <phschafft> I mean the other thing that let you run out of space is when you try to have software that updates itself, not using the package manager of the OS.
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<OscarL>
s/3th/3rd party/
<Begasus>
Hola OscarL!
<OscarL>
Hola Begasus :-)
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<OscarL>
I see 3dEyes had a coffee overdoze again. Nice :-)
<Begasus>
Bugger, no phonon_gstreamer for qt6 :/
<Begasus>
yeah! +a milion :)
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<Begasus>
It's cloning! :D
<Oscar-L>
Old clone will decay in a few minutes :-) (darn re-connects)
<Begasus>
.... -- Set non-toolchain portion of runtime path of "/boot/home/config/non-packaged/lib/plugins/phonon4qt6_backend/phonon_vlc_qt6.so" to "/boot/home/config/non-packaged/lib:/boot/system/lib" :)
<Begasus>
maybe we could enable a devel package for vlc (libvlc), should be possible to use that as a backend for phonon/qt6 ?
<Oscar-L>
Maybe? the options are that or a libmpv backend?
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<jmairboeck>
Ideally we would have a native Haiku media kit backend, but someone would have to write that
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<OscarL>
indeed, but seems we're missing MediaKit experts, to fix even the problems it has for Haiku native apps itself :-(
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<Begasus>
right, and I'm no good there :)
<nephele>
sad
<Begasus>
already got Elisa playing with vlc backend
<Begasus>
nephele?
<nephele>
Begasus: I joined and you sad "I'm no good there :)"
<Begasus>
lol
<Begasus>
in reply to fixing MediaKit ;)
<nephele>
I wouldn't mind a medikit backend for phonon, it's just that i don't care about apps using phonon :P
<Begasus>
that's another story I can't help out with, but if I could get thet phonon-vlc backend up and running ;)
<nephele>
at some point haikuports really should ask the question if it makes sense to port so many apps (quanitity) so quickly, diminishing the quality of the ports
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<nephele>
just porting libs and adding even more libraries so the downloads blow up even more seems like a big red flag to me
<Begasus>
maybe, but I "think" Haiku got quite some attention due to them
<nephele>
Yes, we will get even more attention as a platform to poorly run linux apps on with the same trash problems that linux has
<nephele>
*especially* the mess with severall audio backends using yet another audio backend routing that three layers deep, which is what you get if you port one media playback lib and use yet another one for it's backend
<Begasus>
there's a downside for all, not having them exludes running some apps we still miss for native env
<nephele>
No, at this point haikuports is just getting worse. Focus on improving and maintaining what we have and not bringing countless new apps with bloated deps
<nephele>
we can't really aford to do so many poor ports
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<Oscar-L>
provide better native alternatives then? (and I'm not even using Qt apps)
<Begasus>
quite a lot is obsolete I agree, and not needed things are in there too
<Begasus>
but I *tend* to think the stuff I'm using (or someone else) is always poorly maintained
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<Begasus>
people have been crying for over 20 years to get a descent office suite
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<Begasus>
and plenty examples there ... (me has been around for while)
<OscarL>
I don't see how decrying "poor ports" (maintined by other people) helps with anything.
<nephele>
OscarL: What's your point? I can voice my opinion. I'd rather do that now than claim in 2 years "I've known all along! haha!"
<Begasus>
takes my focus away on how/if we could provide a lib/devel package for libvlc :)
<nephele>
We shouldn't.
<OscarL>
Sure. Let's just apply the same logic when I, or others, complain about something then.
<nephele>
... That you are are perfectly allowed to?
<nephele>
You know Haikus entire ethos is basically TALKING about the stuff we do?
<OscarL>
sure. tone also matters (or the lack of it, via text)
<nephele>
I'm only a bit pricky if people complain about stuff and claim it's a known issue for years but somehow there are no bug reports. ;)
<Begasus>
I've already made some, and most of the ones I reported got fixed over the years ... :/
<nephele>
Which apps can only uses phonon by the way?
<Begasus>
nephele, I wasn't complaining (only for the lack of devel skills) :P
<nephele>
Begasus: My sentence was not directed at you
<Begasus>
I don't know yet nephele, all I know is that when I launch the qt6 binary (phononsettings) it crashes because it doesn't have a backend
<Begasus>
whilst the Qt5 one works
<nephele>
That sounds to me like phonon already has a backend that works in some capacity on Haiku, and vlc is not needed.
<Begasus>
that's for Qt5, and yes that works, I'm only brainstorming about the "possibility" to have a backend for Qt6 (Qt5 uses gstreamer as backend)
<nephele>
use gstreamer for Qt6
<Begasus>
they stopped developing that, became obsoleted by libvlc
<Begasus>
and no Qt6 support for phonon-gstreamer (have been looking upstream)
<nephele>
I'll look into developing a backend for mediakit if nothing else is available
<Begasus>
for the record, vlc already comes with the libvlc, there just isn't a devel package for it (those files are removed in the recipe)
<nephele>
be back in a bit
<Begasus>
would be great :)
<Begasus>
already got that devel package for vlc, so that isn't an issue I guess, and phonon-vlc builds fine (Terminal check)
<Begasus>
will put it on hold for now and move on for the other KF6 recipes
<OscarL>
you can always just put a draft PR as "Request for Comments".
<OscarL>
(so others area aware of the work you've already done there)
<Begasus>
I'm pushing my changes for now to codeberg so I can have a backup just in case)
<Begasus>
but started from scratch (finetuning the recipes while going over the changes made by 3dEyes)
<OscarL>
Begasus: for a couple of my private repos, I have an "all" remote, that pushes to both github and codeberg. Prett handy :-)
<Begasus>
not there yet OscarL :) also, I'm using just 1 branch atm, so that wouldn't work as they need to be added individual (as 3dEyes did)
<Begasus>
all I know atm is that the post for the release on Tokodon gets pretty much attention there ;)
<Begasus>
I'll add a note in the phonon6-6.0.0.recipe for now
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<OscarL>
Calisto: just in case.... raed your proposal, From my side, not much to add to Adrien's annotations, or to what humdinger wrote on the forum.
<OscarL>
s/raed/I've read/
<OscarL>
if you *do* add some sort of "iconbar" for favorites, perhaps also put their name/tag under the icons? (some of us are are better interpreting text than iconography :-D)
<OscarL>
With that, and the crappy internet I'm having today... better go do something else :-) Later folks!
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