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<coolcoder613> Good morning
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<waddlesplash> rennj: please stay on topic more. if you don't, we'll be forced to kick you
<zdykstra> coolcoder613: morning!
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<rennj> thats fine kick ban away, your choice
<rennj> i leave your pettyness to you
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<rennj> freedom just another word for nothing left to lose
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<rennj> Dabney Coleman and Roger Corman...bummer week
<rennj> off topic haha
<rennj> nlp/llm is on topic its computing
<rennj> gsoc kids should read the google word2vec paper
<rennj> on topic computing
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<rennj> is the sel4 kernel off topic..you know something that has been verified
<rennj> Security is no excuse for bad performance
<rennj> The benchmark for performance.
<rennj> The world's most highly assured OS kernel.
<funbreaker[m]> does the sel4 kernel run haiku
<funbreaker[m]> does haiku have a plan to use it?
<rennj> of course not, thats the header foo you know API
<funbreaker[m]> then it's off-topic
<rennj> or maybe change plans
<funbreaker[m]> or get out of the room there's probably plenty of rooms actually for talking about llms
<rennj> NIH is no reason to keep going down the wrong path
<zdykstra> It's a slow night in here, it's not like rennj is squashing other conversations
<rennj> thanks zdykstra
<zdykstra> I'm just a random irc'er too :)
<rennj> im not on lists,forums,social media..only input i do on net is irc..
<rennj> and of course i paid hard money for beos, gobe productive, and chrono trigger..
<rennj> oh beos bible..paid for that sucker
<zdykstra> I didn't buy the bible, but I paid for the other ones!
<zdykstra> Good memories
<rennj> tru dat!
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<rennj> https://imgur.com/n48vMDv beos looking sexy
<rennj> beos bible tiling the background of tracker...
<rennj> opentracker to you newbies!
<rennj> and slayer is better then process control or whatever...
<rennj> always was back in the day even
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<rennj> slayer actually works and killing procs, unlike process control
<rennj> pc pretty but useless..does me no good, slayer actually worked
<zdykstra> PC always worked for me
<rennj> failed all the time for me
<rennj> slayer never failed at killing
<rennj> satan/pentagram foo turned people off
<rennj> PC was broke dick from day 1..from my experience
<rennj> it just would fail to kill things.over and over
<rennj> plenty of info it does, but when i want to kill something..worthless
<rennj> haiku i hope it works better..
<rennj> slayer did the kill everytime...
<rennj> c++ methods,classes,functions for oop...
<rennj> just more abstractions from hardware/signals
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<coolcoder613> I got BeOS doing actual useful things for me as recently as this morning
<rennj> right on!
<rennj> crunching the numbers
<rennj> i had dos boxes crunching things back in the day...
<rennj> mission critical
<rennj> make backups on Bernoulli drives. with screen that had burnin no less...had to smash the monitor on EOL
<rennj> cga/ega/vga multisync monitor...with burnin...the same screen all day long...
<rennj> had to smash them..burning was so bad
<rennj> burn in
<rennj> honeywell honeymacs!
<rennj> 386/286 secure pc's with screws in case..like 20 of them to remove lid
<rennj> secure shit sucked
<rennj> honeywell secured crapple quadra in box
<rennj> waddlesplash, sun e25K and ibm system Z.. most newbies would not be able to touch those systems...
<rennj> let alone login to the SSP
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
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<Begasus> building gpgme for qt6 doesn't like $jobArgs
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<Begasus> Think I got it right now :) https://0x0.st/XP29.png
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<Begasus> heading out, cu later (filed 2 PR's, will check comments later) :)
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [hrev57735] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=47c05920fde4+%5Ea257fb10cbde
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 47c05920fde4 - Docs: Document color_which UI colors
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<cluelessnewuser> hi everybody!
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [hrev57736] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=747004e221e3+%5E47c05920fde4
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 747004e221e3 - tracker: fix file name edit field misalignment
<cluelessnewuser> anyone got some time to help a bit?
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<cluelessnewuser> hello dalme_
<dalme_> hello
<cluelessnewuser> seems we are the only 2 awake :D
<dalme_> I'm in Europe so that makes sense I guess
<PulkoMandy> I'm here as well, do you have a specific question, or just checking if people are alive? :)
<cluelessnewuser> PulkoMandy: yeah i have issues with installation
<cluelessnewuser> been 1 day an half now :P guess this makes me pretty much an idiot lol
<cluelessnewuser> dalme_: i'm in europe too
<PulkoMandy> what's the problem exactly?
<cluelessnewuser> PulkoMandy: i created a bootable haiku usb stick and was trying to use it as an installer for another usb drive i would want to use
<cluelessnewuser> problem is that the installer won't make it bootable
<PulkoMandy> yes, that should be possible
<cluelessnewuser> no matter what i try
<PulkoMandy> you have several things to do manually to make it bootable for EFI systems currently
<PulkoMandy> we have not finished integrating that into installer
<cluelessnewuser> i was wondering if there's a way to create a "bloated" haiku bootable drive that uses up the whole usb key i already have and works
<cluelessnewuser> like adding a very big file to be deleted :D
<cluelessnewuser> not sure this makes sense
<PulkoMandy> you need to: create a partition table on the USB stick, if it already has one, make sure it has a standard bootsector (you can use the writembr command from Terminal). Create an EFI system partition with the rght UUID, for mat using fAT filesystem, and copy the EFI bootloader there (you should be able to copy the files from your exiting EFI partition on the USB stick). Create a BFS partition and format i
<PulkoMandy> t, and installl Haiku there (this last part is the only thing Installer will do for you)
<PulkoMandy> you can create haiku images of any size if you build haiku from sources, but if that's the easiest way to solve this, we have really failed at something :/
<cluelessnewuser> honestly seems a lot more complicated than i expected :P i mean if i could balena etch on my USB drive using all the space i have it would work wondefully
<PulkoMandy> you can follow this guide: https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/uefi_booting/ which could be made better by adding screenshots of each step. You can use DriveSetup for creating the partition table and partitions
<PulkoMandy> yes, as I said, this should all be automated but we haven't done that yet, so for now there are some manual steps involved
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<PulkoMandy> a few years ago everyone more or less knew how to do this because windows would need to be reinstalled evey few months. It seems other OS have made a lot of progrress in that area and now people don't need to think about these things anymore. That's good news for how other OS are doing, I suppose :)
<PulkoMandy> but we need to catch up now
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<cluelessnewuser> mmh i was trying to find a way to add space to the anyboot usb image i write with etcher :D would that actually work or i'm just being silly?^^
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<PulkoMandy> no, there are two problems with that: we don't have a way to resize BFS partition (another piece of code that we need to finish), and, in the way the anyboot image is built currently, the EFI partition is at the end of the image rather than at the start, so resizing the BFS partition would overwrite the EFI one
<cluelessnewuser> oooh unfortunate, but at least i haven't spent much time trying :D
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<cluelessnewuser> mmh to simply the process, could i etch the image on both USB drives, and install from one to another keeping the bootable part intact or i would incur in the same issues ?
<cluelessnewuser> sorry for being annoying, btw
<PulkoMandy> you will have the same problem, the EFI partition will be somewhere in the middle of the disk
<PulkoMandy> you will have to erase it and recreate it at the start instead
<PulkoMandy> so it's not really simplifying
<cluelessnewuser> i see, i guess no simple solutions at the moment
<phschafft> is there a problem with swaping those partions?
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<cluelessnewuser> PulkoMandy: thanks for your help and insight, i guess I'll keep following progresses on youtube and wait for a bit more time, i do not think that building from source is any easier to try the system from an usb stick with enough space to install and work :D
<cluelessnewuser> but i really have to say I loved the little i could try, the look and feel of the OS is totally amazing
<cluelessnewuser> have a nice day everybody!
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<Anarchos> hello
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/0be153c35486...c1b383cb2946
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy c1b383c - llvm17: allow to link object fiels built with gcc.
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<botifico> [haiku/website] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/5fbfca8b782c...9648cf9345ce
<botifico> [haiku/website] Zardshard 9648cf9 - Post "Building WebKit Sensibly"
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<erysdren> hi, how do i search for a package that provides a particular file with pkgman?
<erysdren> i've been told before, but i forgot
<Anarchos> erysdren pkgman search file:XXX
<erysdren> thanks
<erysdren> hm, no package provides sdl2-config?
<erysdren> the script/executable?
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<erysdren> ah i found it its sdl2-config-x86 for i586
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<Amaury> Hi
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<erysdren> hi
<Amaury> This is the general Haiku group, right?
<erysdren> indeed it is
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<erysdren> Amaury: yes it is
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<erysdren> any guidance on how i should version a package that only has git commits?
<erysdren> i.e., not even version numbers or tags?
<erysdren> maybe just "<name>-<git-hash>"?