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<coolcoder613> Hello all
<coolcoder613> gordonjcp: autorun a script that connect to it
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<bjorkintosh> cyrus__, I had one for a while.
<bjorkintosh> it was fun and all.
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
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<coolcoder613> Hi HaikuUser, Begasus
<Begasus> Hello coolcoder613
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<Begasus> k, round **** on fpc (with libglu patch now back in place)
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<Begasus> should try if I can build Lazarus without fpc combined (using system fpc) in fpcupdeluxe :)
<Begasus> hedgewars build still fine :D
<Begasus> nice, source for lazarus still builds with system fpc/fpc_source :D
<Begasus> PR is up, now need review from hfsfox :)
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<toydragon> hmmmm... interesting with the latest nightly
<toydragon> touchpad and nipple mouse refuse to work on boot... until i plug in a USB mouse
<toydragon> brain too fried to parse, gonna try to sleep. if anyone wants to see if they spot anything of use, here's syslog from this boot: https://paste.ee/p/hOUbh
<Begasus> slap it :)
<Begasus> stupid uri's at sf ...
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<cyrus__> Mornin
<Begasus> noon
<phschafft> mau
<PriyanshuGupta[m]> gud noon everyone
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<Begasus> whoof
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<Begasus> Hello PriyanshuGupta[m] zard :)
<zard> Hello Begasus :)
<Begasus> Let's see if we can get something working here: Saving to: ‘/Opslag/haikuports/dev-lang/lazarus/download/lazarus-v3.2-711769248583c059f20bdb0cb25a5edc8d7023b6.tar.gz’
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<Begasus> whoot, seems to work :)
<Begasus> nielx[m], mind checking out a build/package lazarus one?
<Begasus> source is a pre-build version here
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<andreaa71> hello
<andreaa71> which script does terminnal open when it starts /
<andreaa71> which script does terminnal open when it starts ?
<Begasus> nielx[m] ... https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/pull/10233 (PR for lazarus)
<phschafft> andreaa71: ?
<Begasus> just put a link on the Desktop? :)
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<Begasus> Hola OscarL!
<OscarL> I almost could bet that andreaa71 was asking about the start up files for bash: "/boot/system/settings/etc/profile" and "/boot/home/config/settings/profile"
<OscarL> Hello Begasus :-)
<cyrus__> OscarL: Thats exactly what I was thinking
<Begasus> oh lol, was reading it wrong :P
<OscarL> too bad he's easily scared away :-)
<Begasus> how's it going there OscarL, you were on the news here yesterday :)
<OscarL> I was?
<Begasus> well Brazil was :)
* OscarL looks for hiden cameras.
<Begasus> too late for that :P
<cyrus__> you'll never find'em all :P
<Begasus> meanwhile ... grabbing lazarus-3.2_bin-1-x86_64.hpkg and moving it to /Opslag/haikuports/packages/lazarus-3.2_bin-1-x86_64.hpkg :D
<Begasus> and working! ;)
<OscarL> Begasus: I think I'm around 850 KM from the closest point in Brazil... and that's considering a straight line :-D
<OscarL> Begasus: that lazarus is with system wide fpc?
<Begasus> yep OscarL, and system fpc_source
<Begasus> ah right you are in Argentina?
<OscarL> Begasus: re: how I'm going... still melting :-( darn temps still to high (specially the lowest ones), and too much humidity... makes me crazier than usual :-P
<Begasus> yeah, they mentioned that on the news yesterday
<Begasus> I feel for you
<OscarL> Begasus: yup. Argentina (in the "Catamarca" province).
<Begasus> From upstream: "What secret/keychain service does Haiku use"
<Begasus> not sure what to answer there :D
<Begasus> for KDE I think it's using kwallet?
<OscarL> "none of the above" :-P
<Begasus> see, still a noob here :P
<OscarL> I see a "keystore_server" under "/system/servers"
<OscarL> also "/bin/keystore"
<Begasus> Had to open Web+ first before opening this link :)
<Begasus> I got Tokodon 23.08.5 working fine here, have 24.02.0 build (with the qt6webview PR installed), it launches fine but can't seem to login :/
<OscarL> Begasus: I guess you can tell them... "an in-house one", and link them to https://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/src/bin/keystore/keystore.cpp
<Begasus> added the first link you posted
<OscarL> Think I should have been clearer... by "none of the above" I dind't mean that Haiku doesn't uses any...
<OscarL> Begasus: I was going for: "I can bet it is none of the ones they think we use".
<Begasus> heh
<OscarL> As this is for Qt/KDE... better ask 3dEyes if he has something that integrates with the "keystore_server" on the Haiku side.
<Begasus> well it works for kf5 version, still weird it doesn't for kf6 version, but could still be the missing qtwebengine
<Begasus> as from in the screenshot you see my nick in there, so it picks up something :P
<OscarL> Begasus: I think linking to https://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/src/bin/keystore/keystore.cpp might be a good idea, as that file shows how the Haiku API for keystores works.
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<Begasus> done sir :)
<OscarL> Thanks. Might want to remove the "no secret/keychain" bit... would be confusing otherwise :-)
<Begasus> editetet... :)
<OscarL> heh.
<Begasus> should put that build script for lazarus online too ..
<OscarL> Now... if I could only figure out how to programmatically set focus to a specific Pe window! (`someView->MakeFocus(true)` is just trolling me at this point :-/)
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<OscarL> man, sometimes a simple (manual) file rename freezes all I/O operations :-(
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<phschafft> as in rename() system call?
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<OscarL> in this case, "manual", as in: via Tracker.
<toydragon> haldo
<OscarL> But I've sometimes get I/O freezes removing files
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<toydragon> I have gotten some sleep :)
<OscarL> Good for you. /me ain't having good sleeps with these crazy temps :-(
<phschafft> keep in mind that rename() is required to be globally atomic (as in the visibility of the operation is atomic for all processes)
<phschafft> which may be a hint into the direction of some global lock.
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<toydragon> latest nightly has an interesting new side effect
<phschafft> but if you also get that for unlink() this could alos be a hint as rename() may include an unlink() at times.
<toydragon> touchpad and nub mouse don't work on boot, but if i connect a usb mouse, they come to life.
<toydragon> and if said usb mouse is already connected on boot, it works
<toydragon> also, very cool that the volume control buttons do things now :3
<OscarL> phschafft: I *think* I understand the 10.000 meters view of the topic, not knowing much about the details (on Haiku, or otherwise) but yeah... rename() possibly doing unlink(), triggered my halt-all-io-after-file-deletions induced "trauma" :-P
<OscarL> ToyDragon: you should open a ticket for that "no-input at boot unless usb mouse attached" issue.
<OscarL> ToyDragon: better if you provide a clean syslog (just delete "/var/log/syslog", reboot without the USB mouse, plug it in when Desktop is "stable", upload that syslog).
<OscarL> not sure if adding a clean log for the "boot with the USB mouse already attached" case might provide further insight, but consider doing so.
<toydragon> ye
<toydragon> Also, the capslock LED flashes when the desktop loads in
<toydragon> keyboard itself works
<phschafft> my point is just that rename() is defined much stricter as most other calls as it is one of the very few used to sync stuff between processes.
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<OscarL> (my point being that I usually only see freezes on many-files deletions, and (almost) never on manual renames from Tracker, thus my surprise/annoyance :-D)
* OscarL trying to do the voice from that kid on "The Sixth Sense": "<wisper> I see dead code! </wisper>" (on Pe).
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<phschafft> hm.
* OscarL after using git's pickaxe: "yeah... was dead on arrival: 2002-06-05, Initial revision"
<Begasus> looking for missing files in the archive I see they are listed in .gitignore ... :/
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] kallisti5 pushed 1 commit to master [hrev57650] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=f083212d46e2+%5E43e19c4715ad
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] f083212d46e2 - packages/riscv64: Bump openssh to latest native built
<Begasus> lol OscarL!
<Begasus> I saw you contributed to Cyan4973/xxHash and wanted to invite you to join an AI research project we’re launching at Pareto.AI. We’re looking for open-source developers to beta test an AI code editing tool as you work normally. Compensation is $50-100 per hour of code editing tool usage.
<Begasus> maybe I should redirect that email to you :P
* Begasus presses delete button ...
<OscarL> I could do some damage to the future SkyNet... from the inside.... good thinking! :-)
<Begasus> LOL
<OscarL> I knew my crappy "leet coding skillz" would prove to be usefull one day! (even if to corrupt nacient AIs :-P)
<OscarL> Speaking of silly code... TextSearch's "File-Set target..." doesn't works?
<Begasus> you broke it?
<OscarL> (should open a BFilePanel allowing to choose a directory)
<OscarL> Begasus: I don't think I did, no :-)
<Begasus> Must be something wrong at your side :P https://0x0.st/XrQ_.png
<OscarL> "I see code trolling me".
<Begasus> hmm ... waddlesplash, getting this error unmounting when creating lazarus package in the end: https://bpa.st/UTIQ
<Begasus> afaict nothing should be blocking it
<waddlesplash> Begasus: says pretty clearly: Tracker is using the FD
<Begasus> what's FD? ;)
<waddlesplash> file descriptor
<waddlesplash> an open file in a process
<Begasus> it's only cp'n files in the recipe, don't know what it should be using then
<Begasus> anyway, happens almost at every clean build/packaging
<OscarL> TextSearch issue resolved after removing its settings file. Oddly, the new one uses file attributes for the settings (zero file size for the settings), while the old one had a BMessage in it :-/
<Begasus> k, think I'm done so far, now wait untill someone is eager to try it out :)
<Begasus> biab
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<Oscar-L> Begasus: FWIW, before `hp big_package`, I find it better to close Tracker's windows (at least the one for the folder containing the .recipe), and not going anywhere near the "active" `work-*` with Tracker's drill-down menues.
<Oscar-L> Too bad sometimes I can't resist the temptation, and end with that "can't unmount" annoyance :-D
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<OscarL> See,s TextSearch stores preferences as attributes, and the search history as BMessage. Now to see if I can figure out why it failed to show the BFilePanel.
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<Begasus> it's only -150MiB, not that big OscarL :)
<OscarL> should have said mid-to-long-running builds, then. (and a 150 MiB tarball? /me faints)
<Begasus> no BUILD() involved :P
<OscarL> (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
<Begasus> had to look at that a few times before I got it :D
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<Begasus> riscv64 still booting on new checkout :)
<OscarL> my TextSearch issue... somehow the "FilePanelPath" attribute was pointing to a non existent dir (but very close to a valid one, somehow) :-/
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<OscarL> "if (get_ref_for_path(fModel->fFilePanelPath.String(), &path) != B_OK) return;" seems too strict, should probably just default "path" to /boot/home and proceed as normal.
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<Begasus> I mostly just use the Tracker add-on to open it
<Begasus> saves hunting down the path
<OscarL> or at least give some hint other than doing nothing if the path does not exists :-/
* OscarL "hates" silent failures (unless the user asks for them to be silenced :-P)
<OscarL> Begasus: I do too, most of the time, but sometimes I want to "Set target..." to a close-by dir, kinda expecting TextSearch to start the FilePanel on the current dir, and not on a saved one :-(
* OscarL will do a TextSearch small patch (once/if git pull finishes :-D).
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* zard finally got what OscarL's emoticon meant (well, except the ︵)
<OscarL> zard: I think the intention is to convey "motion" to the "table".
<zard> Ah, I see
<Begasus> I thing you just flipped the table :P
<OscarL> that still counts as motion, no? :-P
<Begasus> define motion :)
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* OscarL slaps Begasus with either Merriam-Webster', or Oxford's English dictionary. His choice.
<OscarL> There.... compiled the third time. That's more like it! (I always go suspicious when it compiles on the first try :-P)
<Begasus> lol
<Begasus> both are no good :P
<OscarL> just as my coding skillz then!
<Begasus> heh, count me in
<Begasus> but I did get lazarus compiled (and not with fpcupdeluxe)
<Begasus> make[2]: Entering directory '/Opslag/wip/lazarus-lazarus_3_2/ide' /boot/system/bin/ppcx64 -gl -vbqewnhi -Sci -dlclqt5 -Fu../designer -Fu../debugger -Fu../debugger/frames -Fu../converter -Fu../packager -Fu../packager/frames -Fu../components/custom -Fuframes -Fu. -Fu/boot/system/lib/fpc/3.2.2/src//rtl -Fu/boot/system/lib/fpc/3.2.2/src//packages/regexpr -Fiinclude -Fiinclude/haiku -Fi../images -FE.. -FU../units/x86_64-haiku/qt5
<Begasus> -Fu../components/lazcontrols/lib/x86_64-haiku/qt5 -Fu../components/lazcontrols/design/lib/x86_64-haiku/qt5 -Fu../components/lazdebuggers/lazdebuggerintf/lib/x86_64-haiku -Fu../components/lazdebuggers/cmdlinedebuggerbase/lib/x86_64-haiku/qt5 -Fu../components/lazdebuggergdbmi/units/x86_64-haiku/qt5 -Fu../components/lclextensions/lib/x86_64-haiku-qt5 -Fu../components/virtualtreeview/lib/x86_64-haiku-qt5
<Begasus> -Fu../packager/units/x86_64-haiku -Fu../components/codetools/units/x86_64-haiku -Fu../components/debuggerintf/lib/x86_64-haiku -Fu../components/lazutils/lib/x86_64-haiku -Fu../components/freetype/lib/x86_64-haiku -Fu../lcl/units/x86_64-haiku -Fu../lcl/units/x86_64-haiku/qt5 -Fu../components/buildintf/units/x86_64-haiku -Fu../components/ideintf/units/x86_64-haiku/qt5 -Fu../components/synedit/units/x86_64-haiku/qt5
<Begasus> -Fu../components/fpdebug/lib/x86_64-haiku -Fu../components/lazdebuggers/lazdebuggerfp/lib/x86_64-haiku/qt5 -Fu../components/lazdebuggers/lazdebuggerlldb/lib/x86_64-haiku/qt5 -Fu../components/lazdebuggers/lazdebuggerfplldb/lib/x86_64-haiku/qt5 -Fupackages/ideconfig/lib/x86_64-haiku/qt5 -Fupackages/idedebugger/lib/x86_64-haiku/qt5 -dx86_64 startlazarus.lpr
<Begasus> ;) works :D
<OscarL> so many "-Fu"s "-FU"s... reminds me of rage comics on 2012's reddit.
<Begasus> don't mind them, as long as it works :)
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<Begasus> plop!
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<Begasus> $(INSTALL_PREFIX)/share ... why can't they use $(INSTALL_DATADIR)? :/
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<Begasus> k, done playing with lazarus, time to put it to the test :)
<OscarL> If Lazarus was as slim as Delphi 7... I'd probably use it for everything GUI related (even if ObjectPascal has become too verbose for me).
* OscarL says while dying of laughter at the irony of the last phrase.
<nosycat> Switch to Ada. *runs away*
<OscarL> heh :-)
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<OscarL> Patch submitted. Now... where was I?
<nosycat> Right here.
<OscarL> truth.
<OscarL> speaking of patches... RVVM doesn't uses "Haiku OS" anymore Begasus :-P
* OscarL remembered what he was trying to do: Find out why he can't set focus to a particular window on Pe.
<OscarL> Me, and my lack of focus :-D
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<nosycat> Ha ha.
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<OscarL> YES!!!
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<Begasus> nice OscarL :)
<Begasus> Hi jmairboeck, just replied to lazarus
<Begasus> and earlier here: [17:55] <Begasus> $(INSTALL_PREFIX)/share ... why can't they use $(INSTALL_DATADIR)? :/
<jmairboeck> Hi Begasus! it was just meant as a suggestion, if upstream does it the same, you should probably keep it. But still, it feels a bit weird to have binaries in data.
<jmairboeck> I was reading the IRC log only after the comment on Github
<Begasus> no problem jmairboeck, got a valid point :)
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<Begasus> fpc does that also, so maybe could look into that a bit more, hence the wip label
<Begasus> that's the build process I used, however used destdir instead of config/non-packaged for packaging
<Begasus> LAZARUS_INSTALL_DIR=/boot/home/config/non-packaged/data/lazarus could be changed to LAZARUS_INSTALL_DIR=/boot/home/config/non-packaged/lib/lazarus
<jmairboeck> or .../apps/Lazarus? (like I suggested alternatively)
<Begasus> it contains lots of subdirectories, but possible also, just doesn't sound like an idea to go with, you would have ../apps/lazarus/<subdirs>
<Begasus> there is no "bin" in there
<Begasus> well it could, but those symlinks need to be replaced anyway
<jmairboeck> ok, maybe just keep it in data then
<Begasus> you can see here that it also uses $dataDir structure
<jmairboeck> ok, all these usually go to share on linux, except bin and lib of course
<jmairboeck> man should go to $documentationDir on Haiku (a.k.a. $manDir) ...
<Begasus> +1 there :)
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<Begasus> rebuild ...
<Begasus> good thing is that the build is fast :D
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<Begasus> better? https://bpa.st/MACQ :)
<Begasus> lol, Terminal isn't big enough for running tree
<jmairboeck> looks good I think :)
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<Begasus> │   ├── lazarus-ide -> ../share/lazarus/lazarus (needs fixing in the makefile) :)
<Begasus> 413 Request Entity Too Large .. bugger
<Begasus> finetuning will be for tomorrow
<Begasus> the Makefile.fpc has been "fixed", the regular Makefile is overwritten during build but still contains some values that are not correct
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<Begasus> ah no, that's ok, there is one in the subdirectory that is hardcoded to share (for the manpage)
<win8linux[m]> Somebody's trying out Haiku on an Acer Aspire One and while a live USB does work, a Haiku install on an HDD results in this error:
<win8linux[m]> `bios_ai32 stage1: Failed to load OS`
<win8linux[m]> Any suggestions on what I can tell them?
<Begasus> seen mentions about it, no idea here though (related to bootloader file?)
<win8linux[m]> Wait no nvm, they just forgot to initialise the Intel Partition Map.
<win8linux[m]> s/Partition Map/partition/
<Begasus> ;)
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<kallisti5[m]> man, someone in gsoc should look into a bcachefs driver for Linux
<kallisti5[m]> s/Linux/Haiku/
<kallisti5[m]> *haiku
<kallisti5[m]> it's hecking neat
<Begasus> timing ...
<Begasus> minus 4 minutes for building and installing :)
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<coolcoder613_32> Good (early) morning
<Begasus> G'evening coolcoder613_32 :)
<cyrus__> Afternoon coolcoder613_32
* coolcoder613_32 goes to get some coffee cake
<coolcoder613_32> mmm..
<Begasus> enjoy :-)
* coolcoder613_32 baked it yesterday
<PriyanshuGupta[m]> hey everyone
<coolcoder613_32> Hi PriyanshuGupta[m]
<Begasus> wb PriyanshuGupta[m]
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<coolcoder613_32> Hi mmu_man
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<coolcoder613_32> Hi Generic
<PriyanshuGupta[m]> Begasus @_oftc_Begasus:matrix.org: hello
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<Begasus> ;)
<Begasus> closing down here, cu peeps!
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<PriyanshuGupta[m]> good night
<PriyanshuGupta[m]> every one
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<Anarchos> hello
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<botifico> [haiku/infrastructure] kallisti5 pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±2] https://github.com/haiku/infrastructure/compare/5fa6f273fc06...18df092be041
<botifico> [haiku/infrastructure] kallisti5 18df092 - deployments/access-control: bubble up to it's own file, add to gerrit/cgit
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