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<KenzieAon> Well, I caved and brought up another system to see if Haiku would work, and it boots to a USB! But after installation it just has a blank screen with a blinking text bar. No buttons do anything.
<KenzieAon> I am impressed with how stubborn Haiku has chosen to be for me.
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] augiedoggie pushed 1 commit to master [+3/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/5bdb27ebf1f9...5b69fe4fdeed
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] augiedoggie 5b69fe4 - gittyup: add recipe, untested/disabled on 32 bit (#10249)
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] augiedoggie pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/5b69fe4fdeed...3bad9a3a566d
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] OscarL 3bad9a3 - kraptor: fix PATCHES variable. (#10247)
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<Kokito> Howdy
<Kokito> Anyone getting 'Refreshing repository "Haiku" failed' error when trying to update nightly?
<Kokito> Never mind. Tried again, and update worked...
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<augiedoggie> hm, forgot to change something in that gittyup recipe :/
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<KenzieAon> I buckled down and got Haiku booting. Just not on the system I want it to. It's weird how it kind of "just works" on that other system. I dont know if it's EFI or not, but I know it still doesnt work on my BIOS system
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<augiedoggie> probably not, efi requires a bunch of manual steps to set up
<augiedoggie> well, i guess if you mean installed and booting
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] augiedoggie pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/3bad9a3a566d...8d6d3eaf46d4
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] augiedoggie 8d6d3ea - gittyup: enable 32 bit and attempt to disable updates (#10250)
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
<rennj> whats on the compile list today?
<rennj> aros and haiku both rocking 16 threads https://pasteboard.co/8qaiC7frJ2UJ.png https://pasteboard.co/82EUCDNAvCnf.png, i'm impressed with the opensauce...beos only see 8 cores. amiga 1.
<rennj> progress made...
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<Begasus> whoops, demon version :P hrev 57"666"
<rennj> my haiku vm is jan 2023..not updated
<Begasus> just did a checkout/build and boot in qemu when I noticed it
<Begasus> PS, how's AROS running rennj, saw they did a new release
<rennj> after 14 years i finally have 1TB nvme ssd storage
<rennj> lived with 500GB for 14 years
<Begasus> nice playground :)
<rennj> rm lots of stuff
<rennj> craptop for less 700 bucks
<rennj> zen3 laptop
<rennj> $85 with taxes for WD_BLACK SN770 1TB pcie4x
<rennj> i went from 2015 amd excavotor 4core/4thread laptop to 2022 8core/16thread zen3 laptop...nice jump
<rennj> the power button broke on old laptop..fail
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<rennj> piece of metal off pcb came off..no longer acted as power button...
<Begasus> eeps
<rennj> vmware death is like amiga or be inc
<rennj> serious death of major product
<Begasus> other laptop here is from around 2012, nice to run Haiku, but slow for building things
<rennj> yea i recall desktop picture of 2 of them
<rennj> first metal computer
<rennj> metal laptop body..its nice
<rennj> i already dented it with fork dropping near mouse trackpad
<Begasus> heh
<rennj> metal is nice...
<rennj> hot and cold heat transfer
<rennj> you feel it
<rennj> palms
<rennj> well linux kvm and qemu i always knew that was my future. broadcom being dick with vmware purchase, just pushes it forward sooner
<rennj> 60billion+ only for them to be assholes
<rennj> top 600 customers
<rennj> milked for 10 years is all they care about
<rennj> its amazing their lack of thinking
<rennj> https://old.reddit.com/r/vmware/ been shit show lots of drama past couple weeks
<rennj> people being quoted crazy prices to renew licenses
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<Begasus> doing qemu here just to quickly check up on freshly builds, vmware installed on Windows to do some more build packages testing
<Anarchos> Begasus i wait the nvmm driver
<Begasus> Anarchos, haven't checked there, got the rvvm up and running (checks) here though :)
<rennj> you avoiding the lava flows?
<rennj> volcanic eruption on the Reykjanes Peninsula
<rennj> Asked whether people will move away from Grindavik, she said many will move and "about 30% have already decided to sell their properties".
<rennj> Iceland has 33 active volcano systems and sits over what is known as the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, the boundary between two of the largest tectonic plates on the planet.
<rennj> took me 400hours about 1 month to build ram os/immutable os
<rennj> old os 380Mb.iso in 16GB of ram, new 2024 os 597MB.iso
<rennj> firmware for amd devices is bloat
<rennj> amd 4core --> https://imgur.com/YQNQmrA vs new amd ryzen https://pasteboard.co/Cx7KkfZhlMHl.png ..hehe amiga doubled the speed. notice OS usage..i lost 200MB in ram
<rennj> 15.19GB vs 14.97GB
<rennj> same vmware ...same os image..just different hardware
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<rennj> pip install ansible..haha i had 500 sparc 5's use to know to phone home and check for instructions..i didnt have to contact them. like voyager probe..phone home. i didnt need sshd i didnt need python.
<rennj> nor leave those ports open...
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<gordonjcp> morning
<gordonjcp> Begasus: how's things?
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<Begasus> g'morning gordonjcp
<Begasus> easy pace here :)
<Begasus> checking out latest PR for qemu
<gordonjcp> :-)
<gordonjcp> I'm just sitting here with a coffee, watching some Matt's Off Road Recovery with the junior tape op
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<gordonjcp> beautiful sunny day here, maybe a day for the beach
<Anarchos> damn, haiku is so slow to rm big folders…
<Begasus> coffee, sandwich, reading up a bit ...
<Begasus> dogschool in a bit :)
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±4] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/8d6d3eaf46d4...d8bf95ed80ff
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] OscarL d8bf95e - aiohttp (and dependencies): recipes cleanup. (#10248)
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/d8bf95ed80ff...ba039ae0eff4
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] OscarL ba039ae - yarl: update to version 1.9.4. (#10239)
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<Begasus> Kate 24.02.1 still good :) https://0x0.st/Xszd.1.png
<Begasus> k, out for a bit, cu later
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<jmairboeck> Apparently, texlive 2024 needs autoconf 2.72 to build, at least if we keep regenerating the configure scripts. Is there anything special to consider, updating 2.71 to 2.72? (given that we have 4 different versions already)
<PulkoMandy> the versions are incompatible with each other usually so you probably need to keep the old ones
<PulkoMandy> but there should be no problems with adding new ones
<jmairboeck> ok, should I rename the existing one to autoconf2.71 then?
<jmairboeck> or the new one as autoconf2.72?
<PulkoMandy> From the existing recipes, it seems we rename the old one
<jmairboeck> some more weirdness I noticed: the current version 2.71 uses compat >= 2.60, while 2.69 uses compat >= 2.69. If they are incompatible, why compat >= 2.60?
<jmairboeck> if I rename it, should I update it to compat >= 2.71?
<jmairboeck> and keep 2.72 at compat 2.60 or update to 2.72?
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<PulkoMandy> I don't know
<jmairboeck> ok, thanks. I'll update it according to the existing versions and open a PR, then other people can comment on it.
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/ba039ae0eff4...5a5b9308ba7c
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 5a5b930 - haiku_svg_icon_theme: bump version
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+3/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/5a5b9308ba7c...03bac469eefc
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 03bac46 - glaxnimate: add recipe
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<Begasus> re
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<KenzieAon> Well, I've narrowed down the issues to maybe one or two things. ACPI ID 0 goes on a loop of being found and not enabled, and the boot loader detects 128 drives for some reason
<KenzieAon> I now just have to figure out why either of those are happening
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<Anarchos> re Begasus
<Begasus> re Anarchos :)
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 2 commits to master [+2/-3/±2] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/03bac469eefc...ea4a08a12833
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy 69a6e15 - SDL2: bump version, remove upstreamed patches
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy ea4a08a - tk/androidwish: actually disable OpenGL
<Anarchos> Begasus i am fighting to reinstall Ocaml...
<Begasus> nice PulkoMandy! gitk running without crashing now?
<Begasus> Anarchos, slap it :)
<PulkoMandy> Begasus: There is another bug with locales so you still need to force the C locale using environment variables
<PulkoMandy> And there is still another crashing bug I think, but less easy to trigger...
<Begasus> ah, monst annoying one fixed then :)
<PulkoMandy> It looks like a big design probl m in sdl2 so I'm not looking into that today...
<Begasus> can imagine, not an easy one to tackle
<PriyanshuGupta[m]> hello everyone
<nosycat> Hi there!
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<PriyanshuGupta[m]> PulkoMandy: I have updated the inode format and tested them too i think they are working fine i have tested them with xfs shell and posted the result on the mailing list.
<PriyanshuGupta[m]> i think the short form directories also need a format update can you verify it?
<PriyanshuGupta[m]> Also updated my current patch to match the same
<PulkoMandy> I spent the weekend with my parents and sister. Not much time for Haiku :) but I will have a look when I have time to process my emails, there's a little bit of delay
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* Anarchos knows it is an old ticket, but it is the first easy task i envision :)
<Begasus> Hello PriyanshuGupta[m] nosycat
<PriyanshuGupta[m]> PulkoMandy: sorry for the interruption. Have a good weekend :)
<PriyanshuGupta[m]> Begasus: hello Begasus
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<Begasus> KDevelop-24.02.1 still up and running :)
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<Anarchos> Begasus is Kdevelop better than paladin / lpe ?
<Begasus> I haven't fiddled with those much Anarchos, they require more skills then mine :)
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<Anarchos> Begasus i use only vim but a bit tired of it...
<Begasus> well, KDevelop is a one in all env (kinda like Qt Creator), graphical, so most basic editable options are provided
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<Begasus> nice, a meson project builds fine too :)
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<OscarL> Turns out that the "buildbot_slave" .recipe is not only WAY outdated, but also wrongly named. Should be called "buildbot_worker" instead :-/
* OscarL runs "inrecipe python3.9", finds CudaText in there... and pokes Begasus :-P
<Begasus> err ..
<Begasus> I guess it was fine back then :P
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<Begasus> Hola OscarL :)
<OscarL> Hey there Begasus :-)
<OscarL> "back then" in January 2024? :-P
<Begasus> there must be a reason why I did it?
<Begasus> ps: Mar 20, 2023
<Begasus> ah, you meant cudatext :)
<OscarL> git log says otherwise for cudatext-1.206.5.0.recipe, here? In any case... probably just an oversight.
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<Begasus> well, you can install Lazarus now on 64bit and bump cudatext? :P
<OscarL> not if you want me to try and cleanup more python recipes :-P
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<Begasus> cudatext only needs the main python recipe, so the others shouldn't be involved?
<Begasus> Result := Import('sys'); + Result := Import('datetime'); from quick look :)
<OscarL> Just started CudaText on 32 bits... console shows Python 3.10.13, but I do not recall if it defaults to 3.9 and I've changed some setting.
<nosycat> Last time I tried it depended on 3.9, so it must have been updated.
<OscarL> nosycat: the .recipe has that dependency, but it is not a hard-dependency, you can point it to other libpython3.nn.so.
<OscarL> that's why I don't like the recipe having a particular libpython as dependency.
<nosycat> Well, unless a specific version really is needed.
<OscarL> AFAIK, CudaText should be able to start without any python installed (not very useful, as the plugins need python :-P), but still. Maybe it could depend simply on "cmd:python3"...
<OscarL> as we do not offer "libpython3.so" in any python package.
<nosycat> Sounds like a possible workaround.
<OscarL> For now, just moving it to libpython3.10 would already be an improvement.
* OscarL wishes he could drop "buildbot_slave" (aka buildbot-worker) ... so he could just drop "twisted".
<Begasus> is anything using it?
<Begasus> npm won't update ...
<OscarL> I think at some point Haiku used buildbot instead of concurse... maybe that's why we have it in HaikuPorts?
<Begasus> open an issue to clarify it?
<OscarL> Yeah, should do that.
<OscarL> I'm not a fan of packaging "any" Python packages that don't need any patching. "pip install" can handle those, without us having to maintain them.
<OscarL> Unless, of course... they are needed for a particular app/tool we need.
<OscarL> welp... buildbot_slave does have a .patchset :-( (even if one-liner)
<Begasus> tailBin = "/usr/bin/tail" tsss
<OscarL> the explosion of depedencies in the Python packages is getting on my nerves :-D
<jmairboeck> maybe it could be upstreamed if it was properly conditioned for Haiku?
<OscarL> jmairboeck: would need to try latest version first (3.11.1 vs our 0.95.0), and at that point... I might as well also update the recipe :-P
<jmairboeck> ah, I didn't check the versions :)
<OscarL> (before upstreaming the patch if still needed)
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<Begasus> closing down here
<Begasus> cu peeps!
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<KenzieAon> Alright, so I figured out the issue, RAID was on.
<KenzieAon> Now I just need to get a boot manager that can boot into Haiku, GRUB and Windows Boot Manager didnt work. Is there a way to connect Grub to BootMan or something?
<OscarL> KenzieAon: On my machine, that uses BIOS/MBR... I use BootManager to boot into Win/Linux/Haiku.
<OscarL> only "trick" was to install grub2 not in say, "/dev/sda", but on "/dev/sda3" (or whatever your Linux partition is)
<OscarL> BootManager has no issue chainloading Win/Grub/whatever, in my experience.
<OscarL> or you can just use grub, and chainload Haiku's bootloader, if you want to use GRUB as your main boot loader.
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<HaikuUser> test
<OscarL> passed
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<HaikuUser> Thanks ;)
<OscarL> np. happy "Haikuing" HaikuUser!
<HaikuUser> It is already fun <OscarL>
<OscarL> glad to hear :-)
* OscarL signs off for today (not in the right mood for .recipe cleanups today :-/)
<OscarL> Later folks!
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<HaikuUser> Later
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<bitigchi[m]> PulkoMandy forgot to review my PRs :(
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<PulkoMandy> I didn't forgot
<PulkoMandy> I will get to it when I have time to do reviews
<PulkoMandy> This weekend was spent with my family, I have a full time job and at the moment I also have some work reviewing gsoc application drafts
<PulkoMandy> Alongside other personal projects
<PulkoMandy> Also, the more you complain about it, the more it feels like a urgent work task, and the less I will be motivated to do ie
<gordonjcp> PulkoMandy: ugh, yes
<bitigchi[m]> <PulkoMandy> "I will get to it when I have..." <- It's fine, I'm just teasing (didn't want it to sound like complaining)
<bitigchi[m]> After next week I won't have any more free time though, so sometime next week would be nice, if not fair enough
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<KenzieAon> OscarL: The issue is that GRUB2 gives "error no assignment" since it doesnt have auto detect, and the OS' are split onto multiple drives
<bitigchi[m]> Now I wonder why does Becasso start off-screen... all the BRects start at 0, 0
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<bitigchi[m]> Ugh. The shutdown window layout still does not expand when there are two lines…
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<Anarchos> how to tell tracker to generate thumbnails for src/data/artwork/icons ?
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<Anarchos> how to run ap rogram with musl instead of libc ?
<Reinhilde> Anarchos, irrelevant
<Reinhilde> Musl is for Linux; this is Haiku
<Anarchos> Reinhilde waddlesplash already told me he imported some musl functions into haiku.
<Anarchos> Reinhilde i have a ocaml testsuite which does 100 printf in parallel, and the result is buggy some times
<Reinhilde> then I'd assume those imports are done into the default libc?
<Anarchos> Reinhilde one ocaml developer advised me to test with musl instead of libc
<Reinhilde> ??
<Anarchos> Reinhilde to use a different printf
<Reinhilde> ?????????????/
<Anarchos> Reinhilde the troubles lie in 'printf("%f')
<Reinhilde> right
<Reinhilde> can you stop highlightingme
* coolcoder613_32 waves
* zard waves back
<coolcoder613_32> Hi zard
<coolcoder613_32> Have you ever heard of the ClockworkPi uConsole?
<zard> No
* zard looks it up
<zard> So a raspberry pi but with cellular?
<coolcoder613_32> No, a Linux handheld with a QWERTY keyboard
<coolcoder613_32> Some models of which have cellular
<zard> Ah, ok
* zard is still working on fixing object inheritance
<coolcoder613_32> I've wanted a Linux handheld with a QWERTY keyboard for ages
<coolcoder613_32> And this seems to fit my requirements perfectly
<zard> Going to pre-order it?
<coolcoder613_32> better than a blackberry with a ssh client or something
<coolcoder613_32> It's not in pre-order anymore
<zard> Ah, didn't see that. Now that looks cool
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<coolcoder613_32> https://0x0.st/XrlZ.jpg
<zard> Nice :-)
<coolcoder613_32> That ones not working anymore (won't charge)
<coolcoder613_32> I took that picture last week
<zard> I've been eyeing Python CLIF recently
<zard> Wonder if that will be easier to use than PyBind?
<coolcoder613_32> I've never heard of that before
<zard> Then again, our code already stretches the limits of pybind, so I'd be a bit cautious about using a less commonly used alternative
<coolcoder613_32> Oh, LLVM
<coolcoder613_32> I don't think that will work
<coolcoder613_32> I don't think you can compile properly using LLVM on Haiku
<zard> Hmm, didn't think about that
<zard> I mean, we can always just compile on Linux and then package it on Haiku. What's the problem ;-)
<coolcoder613_32> But it's worth a try just to see how ell it works
* zard sticks it on the todo list, wondering if he'll ever get to it
<coolcoder613_32> No, I think the problem is LLVM has the wrong include paths
<zard> Ah, that should be easier to fix
<coolcoder613_32> I think i'll give it a try
<zard> +1 :)
<zard> gtg now, though. Bye!
<coolcoder613_32> This is what i've been working on recently: https://github.com/coolcoder613eb/oxvm
<coolcoder613_32> bye
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