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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [hrev56310] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=6a1f97581ff6+%5E1a61e82bd41c
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 6a1f97581ff6 - arm: move SPI interrupt offset calculation to FDT code
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 1eeb7213dbde - kernel/arm64: reuse existing GICv2 driver
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [hrev56311] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=1eeb7213dbde+%5E6a1f97581ff6
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
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<netpositive> morning
<Begasus> morning netpositive
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<cheetahpixie> quick question
<cheetahpixie> wasn't there a way to merge windows so that they become tabbed?
<Begasus> yep
<cheetahpixie> remember there was also a method to snap them together so moving one would move every window snapped to it
<cheetahpixie> how do I do that again?
<cheetahpixie> I really liked that and forgot how to
<cheetahpixie> also is anything more known about the krusader crashes?
<Begasus> "Atl gr" key and drag your window
<cheetahpixie> oh
<cheetahpixie> wasn't that in a manual somewhere?
<Begasus> should be in the user manual
<cheetahpixie> kinda trying to remember where I saw it
<cheetahpixie> also can you update a nightly to another?
<Begasus> stack and tile (iirc)
<Begasus> to a newer nightly?
<cheetahpixie> yeah
<Begasus> pkgman full-sync
<cheetahpixie> terminal, I suppose?
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<Begasus> yep
<cheetahpixie> what about the software updater?
<Begasus> could be, never use that one :)
<cheetahpixie> heh
<cheetahpixie> don't change what isn't broken I suppose
<cheetahpixie> is there a way to automatically connect to wifi networks?
<Begasus> you can use what best suits you :P
<Begasus> it should once you have set the password
<cheetahpixie> doesn't do it for me
<Begasus> using LAN atm (wifi on the other laptop isn't supported)
<cheetahpixie> rip
<cheetahpixie> broadcom?
<Begasus> but got a thumbdrive with Haiku on it that still connects to our home network over wifi
<Begasus> yep
<cheetahpixie> yeah, expected
<cheetahpixie> broadcom is generally ass I've noticed
<cheetahpixie> what do you reckon the hardware requirements are for haiku?
<Begasus> don't know, there is plenty of information at the furom, I'm glad enough with what I have so far ;)
<cheetahpixie> I've got a thin client with 128 megs of RAM; that's a Via C7
<cheetahpixie> its BIOS is currently fucked and I don't have a burner for that kinda chip but I may be able to get a jig working
<cheetahpixie> also got a 486 with idk how much memory
<cheetahpixie> no drive, but i takes IDE
<Begasus> still have a big tower standing beside me, either power supply is dead or the motherboard
<cheetahpixie> dunno what version
<cheetahpixie> aw
<Begasus> have served me fine about 20 years ago :P
<Begasus> P4 still
<cheetahpixie> also got a 68k machine, expecting another soon ish
<cheetahpixie> a. it might be the board, probably cap plague
<cheetahpixie> and a bunch of powerpc macs kicking around too
<cheetahpixie> a few arm devices, basically all phones/tablets
<cheetahpixie> mips, but that's just routers and switches
<cheetahpixie> lots of p4 stuff, some cap plagued to a coma
<cheetahpixie> got equipment, just not the parts
<Begasus> don't have external keyboard, monitor etc anymore for it too :)
<cheetahpixie> aw
<Begasus> should disect it (iirc contains 4HD's in there, SBLive) ...
<Begasus> plenty of old BeOS/ZETA stuff ... ;)
<cheetahpixie> ooo. some good stuff.
<cheetahpixie> aha
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<Begasus> in the meantime ... codeblocks still building (ran into a few more erros, probably related to new wxgtk version)
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<andreasdr[m]> Good morning
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<Begasus> g'morning andreasdr[m]
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<andreasdr[m]> Good morning Begasus
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<Begasus> doesn't look like the first attempt to port codeblocks :) https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/issues/2790
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<nephele> damn, my patches are merged, i have to make new ones
<phschafft> haha
<Begasus> heh
<nephele> Haha, i got it to use the dark mode properly!
<Begasus> congrats nephele :)
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<nephele> begasus: :)
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<Begasus> C::B only running build in contrib now ... and I thought texlive was taking forever :P
<Begasus> over 4K of files in there, counting .h and .cpp still leaves over 2K files to build ^^
<Not-34b6> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+4/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/9e8cf61cd9a5...bccf32c94ce9
<Not-34b6> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes bccf32c - Ladybird: add recipe
<Begasus> there it is :)
<Begasus> bugger, also disabled for 32bit :P
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<Begasus> let's see if it builds on 32bit
* nephele tries to push stuff to github...
<Begasus> Everyone .... hold your horses!!! ^^
<nephele> begasus: if git would work maybe...
* Begasus hides ...
<Begasus> I didn't encounter problems so far nephele :)
<nephele> "Your haiku branch isn't protected" ???
<Begasus> Yeah, only saw it about 2 weeks ago I think, never seen it before, so not sure if I need to take steps, and what the outcome of that would be
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<nephele> it sais that for my haikuwebkit "fork"
<nephele> which i have no idea, what is supposed to be a fork about that... i only had to make this so i can make a branch so i can make a pull request... ugh, lots of indirection
<Begasus> I use a fork there too
<Begasus> hence it's easy to merge upstream changes to origin
<Begasus> I use it on this laptop after a merge to be on par and delete merged branches
<rennj> the supply chain attack begins with you...
<Begasus> would be nice if on Haiku, git remembers the session password, here on Ubuntu I only need to type in the pswd once, on Haiku I need to do this with every change
<nephele> isn't there a daemon that does that? anyway, maybe git can be made to use the keyring
<andreasdr[m]> I saw the dark modes commit. Nice. Does someone has a dark screenshot? :DDD
<rennj> probably gnome-keyring keep track of those keys for you on ubuntu
<nephele> andreasdr: for what commit?
<nephele> I didn't commit anything recently that has a functional change
<nephele> only a pr for haikuwebkit, which is unmerged as of yet
<rennj> The GNOME keyring is useful in conjunction with Git when you are pushing over HTTPS. The libsecret package needs to be installed for this functionality to be available.
<rennj> Configure Git to use the libsecret helper:
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<rennj> so the codeblock ide has plenty of assets
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<Begasus> 'lo humdinger
<humdinger> Begasus: wrt github and passwords... you even posted in the thread https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/github-haiku-and-two-factor-authentication/11047/3
<humdinger> :)
<Begasus> not there yet rennj ... but it's still building
<Begasus> I used it before I know humdinger , just didn't for a while, and I can push changes from Ubuntu here
<Begasus> only from Haiku I need to push initial changes
<humdinger> OK. I always try to use ssh keys were possible. having to keep entering passwords sucks.
<Begasus> Ah that one, SSH key has been setup since then, so not an issue there
<humdinger> I also copied ssh keys to my raspberry.
<Begasus> yep, even cp'd it over here so I can use it on the laptops I use
<Begasus> have it on the USB sticks (one 32bit, one 64bit) so that's ok also :)
<humdinger> there's also ssh-copy-id to copy keys around the networked devices
<Begasus> KISS ;)
<humdinger> more "kissy" than me digging for a usb stick :)
<Begasus> heh
<Begasus> both on display here, helped me out a few times when things went bogus :P
<Begasus> only thing missing is the broadcom wifi driver ;)
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<Begasus> 1576/2615 done atm for ladybird
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] jscipione pushed 1 commit to master [hrev56312] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=5ef3f3867788+%5E1eeb7213dbde
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 5ef3f3867788 - Appearance: Make ColorPreview size font sensitive
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] jscipione pushed 1 commit to master [hrev56313] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=f515b1c0f3ff+%5E5ef3f3867788
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] f515b1c0f3ff - Appearance: Set a fixed preview text width and wrap
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<Begasus> k, done for today, C::B build was ok, but crashes on launch
<Begasus> heading down here, cu peeps!
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<trungnt2910[m]> Now it knows that pkgman has 183 packages.
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<bbjimmy> looking at https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/17847 and investigating documentation, I cannot find Alt+SysRq+D in any of the haiku giudes.
<bbjimmy> https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/troubleshooting/ should document using Alt+SysRq+D to drop to kdl to assist troubleshooting.
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<bbjimmy> PulkoMandy ^
<extrowerk> What is this _APP_ in the objdump output? http://0x0.st/ojO2.png
<extrowerk> This seems to be a bug to me.
<mmu_man> it's the application binary itself
<mmu_man> the one that will load_addon() this
* mmu_man recalls those symlinks back in BeOS
<extrowerk> I try to build sshfs (fuse based ssh filesystem) with the updated fuse support in Haiku, but i get errors reagrding _APP_
<extrowerk> runtime_loader: Cannot open file _APP_ (needed by /boot/system/lib/libuserlandfs_fuse.so): No such file or directory
<extrowerk> unrelated question: any idea whats wrong here? http://0x0.st/ojOW.txt
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<mmu_man> extrowerk: a stack trace might be more useful
<extrowerk> mmu_man: here you go: http://0x0.st/ojOt.txt
<mmu_man> hmm locale stuff
<mmu_man> PulkoMandy: ^
<extrowerk> this is the latest stable imagemagick
<extrowerk> 7.1.0.43
<mmu_man> why would it need any locale stuff to get the exe path?
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<extrowerk> here is the wip recipe and the updated patchset: http://0x0.st/ojOx.recipe and http://0x0.st/ojO3.patchse
<Vidrep_64> Can any of the devs suggest a good way to test libusb on Haiku?
<extrowerk> mmu_man: just disabled the locale stiff in the configure.ac, the generated binary now runs ok.
<Vidrep_64> The only app I know of that uses libusb is sane_backends
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<mmu_man> flashrom should use libusb once I finish porting it
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<waddlesplash> extrowerk: probably a bug in the new locale handling
<waddlesplash> trungnt2910[m] may be able to investigate
<waddlesplash> likely deserves a ticket on the bugtracker
<Vidrep_64> mmu_man, I guess I'll build sane_backends with the uncommitted libusb 1.0.26
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<mmu_man> the usb hamster tool uses libusb but the 0.1 one
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<Vidrep_64> My Epson scanner is working OK (as before) with the new libusb 1.0.26 package
<Vidrep_64> My Canon causes a crash (as before) complaining about an error device I/O
<Vidrep_64> I guess Begasus can push libusb 1.0.26
<rennj> i had nice epson scsi scanner on my beos box
<rennj> scanit was the app
<rennj> https://imgur.com/ul1257x scanners
<rennj> yeah no exif data on those scans..i got bunch of scans from beos/epson scanner...i still use to this day.
<rennj> tv-card and scanner rocking
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<rennj> it used sane on the backend
<rennj> and had beos usb scsi patching
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<Vidrep_64> Epson multifunction printers work well on Haiku
<Vidrep_64> Printing and scanning are supported
<rennj> i had webcam,tv-card,vcr hooked up into tv-card, scsi scanner and cdrom drive..
<Vidrep_64> Now if we could get GutenPrint updated before the next release ;)
<rennj> serial or usb palmpilot
<rennj> the sgi's had audio/video inputs
<rennj> i had 2 o2's and 2 sparc not in pic
<rennj> that vcr is plugged into beos
<rennj> same for handspring visor
<rennj> no scanner
<rennj> i didnt have enough ports on 5 port switch for all the gear
<rennj> my beos workstation was rocking..the pinnacle of my tower boxes..dual smp system
<rennj> tyan tiger motherboard with athlon xp/mp cpu's
<rennj> webcam,tv-card,audio/video inputs into linear video editor..personalstudio, scsi scanner, and palmpilot..
<rennj> laptop can do all that bullshit now..
<rennj> 4hours of howard stern being recorded off terrestrial radio....
<Vidrep_64> Back in the day with BeOS I tried to digitize my VHS tapes
<Vidrep_64> Even with ultra 160 SCSI drives and dual processors, it wasn't always too successful
<Vidrep_64> Too bad we can't use the BeOS Dano adaptec scsi driver
<Vidrep_64> in Haiku
<rennj> yeah dropping frames
<B2IA> (AGMS) The best I could do with BeOS digitized VHS video is at https://web.ncf.ca/au829/OutlawSprintCars/index.html with deinterlacing and other tricks, it's still VHS quality :-)
<Vidrep_64> I tried "Capture", "Video recorder" and "Personal Studio"
<Vidrep_64> I wonder if Axeld still has the sources for Capture
<B2IA> (AGMS) Personal Studio over here.
<rennj> i still have it
<B2IA> (AGMS) With fixes for the 1000hz vs 1024hz sample rate bug in audio recording (have to stretch audio slightly to match video).
<rennj> sgi's and beos both had software..but the codecs became dated in realtime
<rennj> dated in realtime!!!!
<rennj> haha
<rennj> divx!
<rennj> not the media format but the video container/codec
<rennj> av1 coming to theater near you
<rennj> coming to phone in 2023
<B2IA> (AGMS) Yup, plays back fine in BeOS with MPEG video compression, MP4 is too CPU heavy for real time playback.
<rennj> my amiga vm plays mp4 fine
<rennj> course i score 1million on sysinfo
<rennj> way way way way beyond most hardware amiga
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<rennj> 68060@100Mhz probably not so well
<B2IA> (AGMS) And those 1960s computers were pocket calculator speeds, 100KB/s tape drives?
<rennj> no way real amiga hardware comes close
<rennj> pistorm or vampire included
<rennj> 1million in sysinfo
<rennj> hehe
<rennj> my vmware vm does 880K
<rennj> fs-uae vs vmware...
<rennj> well 25% cpu vs like 5%
<rennj> 1million vs 880K
<rennj> 25% vs 5%
<B2IA> (AGMS) Though that's slowed down in recent years, now it's more about parallism and GPUs.
<rennj> the 880K is way better
<rennj> ipc/watts
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<rennj> vmware-qnx-uae-jit-amigaos3.9
<rennj> and that was ntsc is should have run it in pal mode
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<rennj> ok 13%
<rennj> 25% vs 13%
<rennj> either way vmware is lower resource option with just good enough speeds
<B2IA> (AGMS) Anyway, now it's running AI neural networks that's the big resource hog.
<rennj> fs-uae is a pig to get the peak
<rennj> ml not ai
<rennj> ai is self aware
<rennj> the borg
<B2IA> (AGMS) A whole other can of worms, unless it can help with Haiku coding :-)
<Vidrep_64> How many people regularly use BeShare these days?
<B2IA> (AGMS) Just a couple.
<B2IA> (AGMS) Occasionally you'll see someone downloading a file.
<Vidrep_64> Even in BeOS days I seldom used it myself
<Vidrep_64> What's the current state of development (if any)?
<B2IA> (AGMS) Occasionally something new gets added, but mostly it's recompiled at times to work with the latest Haiku, while also being compiled for BeOS and PPC.
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<AlienSoldier> i wonder if he could do a Haiku version: https://pixeljam.itch.io/ex-zodiac
<AlienSoldier> after all godot is in haiku depot.