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<mbrumbelow[m]> Vidrep_64: The Keystore issue you were seeing, where you able to determine what the issue was?
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
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<netpositive> morning
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<Begasus> morning netpositive
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<andreasdr[m]> Good morning
<Anarchos> hello andreasdr[m]
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<andreasdr[m]> Hi Anarchos
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<matt3> source = a txt archive with rules inside to build an app ... ;0)
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<Not-34b6> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/c1189005748b...17cab0169d45
<Not-34b6> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 17cab01 - ctpl, new recipe (#7080)
<Begasus> 'lo Anarchos andreasdr[m]
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<andreasdr[m]> Hi Begasus
<Begasus> what's up andreasdr[m]
<Begasus_32> Dependency glib-2.0 found: NO found 2.68.4 but need: '>= 2.69.1'
<Begasus> bugger
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<matt3> mouse = in italian sorcio = input device ...
<matt3> i sorci = a lot of mouses = a lot of input devices ...
<matt3> italian dialect ...
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<andreasdr[m]> Begasus: Work Work Work
<andreasdr[m]> And on your side? Whats upppp?
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<Begasus> Looking into geany-plugins (and some side tracks)
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<Begasus_32> Warning: POLICY ERROR: "/packaging/gtkspell3_x86/lib/x86/libgtkspell3-3.so.0" needs library "libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0", but the package doesn't seem to declare that as a requirement
<Begasus> ;)
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<Begasus_32> checking for gtkspell3-3.0... yes
<Begasus> One step further (not sure how this will work out) ... ;)
<Begasus> bbl
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<Begasus> heading down, cu peeps!
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<trungnt2910[m]> git on bash on Haiku on Ubuntu on Windows.
<ermo[m]> The unholy trinity it sounds more like! (🤪)
<ermo[m]> I've used WSL2 w/fedora. The I/O perf was fairly poor IIRC.
<trungnt2910[m]> ermo[m]: This is WSL1.
<ermo[m]> (I was on vacation and only brought my laptop whilst managing to get some dev work in for another project)
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<ermo[m]> I was under the impression that WSL2 is better in most respects? Did I miss something obvious?
<trungnt2910[m]> So I/O on my device is almost as good as native NTFS.
<trungnt2910[m]> ermo[m]: Better compatibility, yes, because it uses the full Linux kernel.
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<trungnt2910[m]> But better design? No. It's just a dumb VM using the Hyper-V framework.
<ermo[m]> Is there any particular reason you have chosen to run windows (I'm genuinely curious)?
<trungnt2910[m]> Good dev environment (Apart from C++ I also do quite a lot of .NET so I need Visual Studio), good integration with everything (phone, cloud accounts,...), easy to use (don't have to search Stack Exchange for a long terminal command for every small config).
<ermo[m]> I've been thinking for a while that MS' strategy and tactics re. Linux/git appears to make it look like an integrated piece of MS tech, such that people on Windows are comfortable _staying_ on windows by saying "hey, you can have your cake and eat it too -- booting up a Linux dev env is as easy as (x,y,z)!"
<ermo[m]> * appears to be to make it
<ermo[m]> I've personally reached the point where I'm not going to dual boot between Linux and Windows -- the secure boot stuff on Windows is just too much of a hassle.
<ermo[m]> (or it appears that way to me in any case -- could just be me not having studied the subject thoroughly enough)
<ermo[m]> Then again, I have entirely too many (old) computers, so...
<trungnt2910[m]> <ermo[m]> "I was under the impression..." <- Also, despite all the MS lies about WSL2 and Hyper-V working well with VMWare and VirtualBox, WSL2 prevents me from running my Haiku VM at full speed.
<ermo[m]> Oh? How so?
<trungnt2910[m]> The "Virtual Machine Platform" junk that WSL2 depends on, prevents VMware from starting a hypervisor natively. Instead, it has to use some Windows APIs to start a hypervisor, which is slower.
* ermo[m] wonders what's going on there
<matt3> ermo[m] : peace ...
<ermo[m]> like, I wonder if it's a future compatibility thing or if it's a deliberate performance hampering ploy
<ermo[m]> anyway, sorry, this is not a windows channel
<ermo[m]> I'll stuff my pipe back in. =)
<matt3> ermo[m] => trinity ???
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<BrunoSpr> hello all
<trungnt2910[m]> <trungnt2910[m]> "image.png" <- Anyway, if you guys hate Windows, you can replace the "on Windows" part with the "on GitHub Actions"
<trungnt2910[m]> s/the//
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<ermo[m]> I don't hate it. I just don't love it either. ^^
<BrunoSpr> I hate the microsoft philosophy especially in the past... without microsoft politics we where much further now...
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<extrowerk> Skipp_OSX: could you please add transparent background support for the activity monitor replicants? That would be nice.
<BrunoSpr> Skipp_OSX is it real alpha blending or just a trick (copiying the backgroung)?
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] kallisti5 pushed 1 commit to master [hrev56317] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=50913d9a6fa0+%5Ec34b7168f45e
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 50913d9a6fa0 - boot/efi: fall back to legacy UART if EFI protocol is not available
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<Skipp_OSX> we have supported alpha blending for a while now
<Skipp_OSX> it is real transparency, DeskCalc has a transparent background it already.
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<BrunoSpr> Skipp_OSX thats just wonderful great you work on it! Does it work for Background-Pictures too?
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<Skipp_OSX> what do you mean? Like can you move it around on top of a background picture, yeah
<Skipp_OSX> can you put a background picture on the replicant? no
<BrunoSpr> I would like to use a Picture with alpha transparentcy on the background picture
<Skipp_OSX> background on the replicant or on the desktop?
<BrunoSpr> on desktop
<Skipp_OSX> oh ok yeah you can do that too
<Skipp_OSX> I think... wait maybe not
<BrunoSpr> It was not possible before
<Skipp_OSX> It could be done if the right drawing flags were set ... but I don't think they are
<BrunoSpr> ah ok but this would be great too
<BrunoSpr> ok I will look for myself at deskcalc
<BrunoSpr> Great to have...
<Skipp_OSX> Activity Monitor graphs are already transparent too... just not the graph part
<Skipp_OSX> do you really want the graph part to be transparent? You won't be able to see the activity very easily
<BrunoSpr> Skipp_OSX... yes I noticed that with graphs already
<BrunoSpr> would be better to see trough, yes... In some cases it looks more implemented... but yes sometimes not a good choice if you have a wrong background
<Skipp_OSX> What's holding me up right now is that I replaced time running with a non-editable wrapping BTextView and the colors aren't drawing right.
<Skipp_OSX> I had it working with a BStringView but it will eventually grow too wide to fit, and I don't want to make the replicant wider because it may move the dragger off screen... actually wrapping may do that too but less so
<Skipp_OSX> hmmm maybe I can grow up ^ instead ...
<Skipp_OSX> I'm guessing it will be fairly common to put the replicant in the bottom right corner of the screen
<Skipp_OSX> If time running grows too long ... it will eventually move the dragger off screen and then you'll be screwed
<Skipp_OSX> I guess you could always reboot to fix it
<Skipp_OSX> I got the replicant working with different font sizes and even if the font size of AboutSystem doesn't match the Desktop font size it knows how to handle that.
<Skipp_OSX> Open Appearance, change font size, open AboutSystem, drag onto Desktop. Desktop is still at 12pt but the replicant is rendered at the AboutSystem font size
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<Skipp_OSX> You see where it says 7967 MiB total, 1 MiB inaccessible in my screenshot ? That has to fit in the width provided so I added extra space for different translations... somebody with a ridiculous amount of RAM or a ridiculous language could potentially get cut off so I left a bunch of extra space there. I tested with German, Spanish, French, Russian, and of course English and they all fit with plenty of space on my system at least.
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<extrowerk> Skipp_OSX: naive solution would be to use GiB instead of MiB.
<extrowerk> eg 8GB RAM, 1MB inaccessible
<extrowerk> how is this a problem?
<Skipp_OSX> The inaccessible text is theoretically possible to be too wide to fit in the space and although I could grow the replicant to fit, I don't want to do that.
<Skipp_OSX> It should say 8GiB Memory: instead of Memory: like it says 4 Processors
<Skipp_OSX> I started working on that but it's too tough to round to GiB nicely
<Skipp_OSX> plus it would burden translators
<Skipp_OSX> like if you have e.g. 3.5 GiB of RAM I want the decimal digit but if you have 8 GiB I don't want the decimal. If you have 4.25 GiB of RAM? Then I said screw it.
<Skipp_OSX> I'm sure I could display the right number of decimal places with enough work
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<Skipp_OSX> Anyway the inaccessible text problem is theoretical because I made the replicant wide enough that it should never be a practical issue.
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<Skipp_OSX> I have a machine here with 128 GIB of RAM I guess I could test on that one to see
<Skipp_OSX> or i could just put 131072 MiB in manually
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<BrunoSpr> Skipp_OSX ... yes would be nice to put the replicant in the bottom right corner of the screen
<BrunoSpr> Anyway ... beautiful work on this side...
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<Skipp_OSX> yeah even with 128GiB of RAM and locale set to German it fits with considerable extra space
<Skipp_OSX> German tends to have long words but verfügbar is not that long
<extrowerk> Betäubungsmittelverschreibungsverordnung
<andreasdr[m]> LOL. My Ubuntuinstallation has BeFS support build in.
<andreasdr[m]> It just mounted my Haike installation from my stick that I just plugged in
<andreasdr[m]> ..Haiku...
<Skipp_OSX> ok see... no longer theoretical because Greek doesn't fit :( https://i.imgur.com/Vu4OmuO.png
<Skipp_OSX> No replicant for Greeks!
<Skipp_OSX> I don't trust 'em even when they come bearing gifts
<Skipp_OSX> I'll just have to adjust for that :/
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<Diver> do we really need to show 1MB inaccessible in AboutSystem? seems like printing it to syslog should be enough
<Skipp_OSX> no it's dumb but I just have to deal
<Skipp_OSX> actually this is probably better... I set a smaller base width and then expanded it for the longer string.
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<Skipp_OSX> so now Greeks will get a wider replicant than everybody else
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<BrunoSpr> Skipp_OSX yes thats sooo nice... thx
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<BrunoSpr> How to make DeskCalc transparent?
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<Skipp_OSX> If you drag to Desktop the parts around the buttons are transparent
<BrunoSpr> Skipp_OSX ah ok I will try
<Skipp_OSX> you can't make the buttons themselves transparent... although I could make that work
<BrunoSpr> very nice...
<BrunoSpr> but not easy for a newbe to explore...
<Skipp_OSX> I even made it work with rounded buttons at one time https://64.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2nhrdWtJI1r0f0hfo1_400.pnj but Axel hated it so it's back to square.
<BrunoSpr> replicant over replicant seems to make some problems now
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<BrunoSpr> cannot acces the replicant grab from DeskCalc ober Activity monitor
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<BrunoSpr> over
<Skipp_OSX> it works for me if you're into that kind of thing: https://i.imgur.com/NpFIuXU.png
<Skipp_OSX> yeah that's what it's supposed to do... th z-order seems to be from the order they are placed first on bottom, last on top
<BrunoSpr> yes it works but i cannot acces/move DeskCalc
<Skipp_OSX> well move activity monitor first
<BrunoSpr> ah ok yes now it works
<Skipp_OSX> I guess that line isn't supposed to be there in the DeskCalc ExpressionView
<BrunoSpr> hey nice work anyway
<Skipp_OSX> hey you're using single line mini-mode Deskbar :)
<BrunoSpr> yes
<BrunoSpr> ok I use two activity replicants and DeskCalc replicant now
<Skipp_OSX> right click on that PDF and bring up the Open with ... dialog, it should look nicer than before with 2 Haiku volumes mounted (Haiku_Daten)
<Skipp_OSX> I'm sorry, not the dialog, just the Open with ... menu
<BrunoSpr> ah yes it does thx... http://0x0.st/ojhm.png
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<Skipp_OSX> hopefully my Open with ... change didn't crash your system :)
<Skipp_OSX> I see that you're a fan of the Maid of Orleans
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<BrunoSpr> Skipp_OSX yes I am
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<BrunoSpr> no crash for now
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<andreasdr[m]> Hmm. Tried href 56316 and app server had drawing issues, looked like Tracker had a issue. Not 100% sure
<andreasdr[m]> Tracker felt frozen
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