#asahi on 2025-02-06 — irc logs at oftc.irclog.whitequark.org

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11:43 <PaulFertser> HTTP/2 410 "Indicates that the resource requested is no longer available and will not be available again.This should be used when a resource has been intentionally removed and the resource should be purged." https://social.treehouse.systems/@marcan

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11:50 <chadmed> mailing lists and kernel politics will break anyone :(

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12:02 <PaulFertser> Probably it's about time to just assume Linux became a huge enterprise commercial project like any other and hence not worth being passionate about.

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12:05 <chadmed> i dont think that really has anything to do with certain maintainers being unpleasant to deal with and overly set in their way

12:12 <PaulFertser> Might be not, I do not have a 100 % proof. My reasoning is that a community of smart friends wanting to have fun together usually can find a way (or they split and have fun separately). But an organisation where people get paid (and count on that to feed their families etc.) to fulfill obligations is much more rigid and not capable of self-regulation.

12:21 <jannau> large numbers of people are hard independently of the organization form

12:24 <PaulFertser> According to Linux Foundation recommendation the developers should now be checking the SDN stoplist every day and try hard at figuring out all the ownership chains to not break the 50 % rule. There's clearly no time or enthusiasm left on "cool" things like Rust.

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12:37 <chadmed> these problems have existed for many many years, its not just because LF have become corporate knob polishers

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15:24 <fl0_id> iirc the people being paid directly or by intel etc are often maybe the easier ones to deal with. the people like harald where I'm not sure who pays him seem more angry etc (and are getting old)

15:25 <fl0_id> PaulFertser is this about the latest rust on linux lkml msgs?

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16:32 <PaulFertser> fl0_id: in my OpenBMC experience people paid by Intel are very hard to work with, both their code and their attitude are disappointing. Other than johill (WiFi maintainer). My messages are related to R4L events but in my biased and narrow view it's all just confirming the notion how Linux community is becoming no better than e.g. an Intel department.

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19:48 <fl0_id> PaulFertser ok, then it's worse then I thought

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22:41 <chadmed_> again the upstream community has had these problems for a very long time now. any sufficiently mature technical project/community ends up with these problems, especially when there is no will or effort to actively stamp it out from day one.

22:42 <chadmed_> "oh but we have a coc now" worth less than the NAND gates it's stored in unless it's actively and _consistently_ enforced

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23:49 <Calandracas> Is it true that fedora ships the vulkan drivers now?

23:56 <chaos_princess> For, like, quite a while already.

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