#asahi on 2025-03-06 — irc logs at oftc.irclog.whitequark.org

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01:44 <cy8aer> I am just playing around with ramalama.ai (thanks to lina's repost). It works nice. But I wonder: does it use the KI engine or is it done via the graphics engine (and mesa)?

01:44 <cy8aer> (aka vulcan)

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09:55 <fl0_id> cy8aer ah that's really nice. I was kind of thinking after some posts by others how to make patched mesa run on non-fedora distros, and it quickly devolved into a packaging nightmare

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10:09 <bgtlover[mds]> it can run on arch and arch like distros, no? except for nix, most packaging formats aren't very good when it comes to this kind of patching, especially apt and similar

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10:11 <cy8aer> Diskussions for other distros -> #asahi-alt

10:11 <fl0_id> bgtlover[mds] it can run everywhere, but you need to package mesa etc. The packaging format is not the problem, but just getting everything in place takes a while. Like maybe you need a new signing key etc.

10:12 <bgtlover[mds]> fl0_id: ahh, those kinds of issues, that's possibly not as bad as I imagined

10:13 <fl0_id> and other things, like what if sth ships with another mesa version? Like patches were for 13.5.1 or so, but newer versions are already out. Will it apply cleanly or do you get an older version...

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15:03 <monthebiff> just looking at various macbook models, seen stuff in the past about limited display output on various mN chips vs the mNpro chips etc... is that actually a chip limitation? or is that a macos limitation?

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15:20 <fl0_id> monthebiff I assume it's an output channel limitation or whatever that is called. Like you have the soc, and you have from what I understand video render stages or whatever they are called, which can be connected to some output, either fixed or sometimes can be switched. If you have less of these, you cannot use more. This doesn't apply if people use things like display link, because that's a wholly different system.

15:20 <fl0_id> (I cannot find a link where I read this right now... sry)

15:21 <monthebiff> yeh i've read bits here and there as well - and i've seen LTT talking about it in videos.

15:22 <fl0_id> monthebiff might have als read it on asahi-dev somewhere

15:23 <monthebiff> according to https://support.apple.com/en-gb/111902 my mbpro (m1, 2021) can support up to 4 external displays depending on resolution

15:24 <monthebiff> 3 thunderbolt ports and the hdmi

15:25 <fl0_id> > Up to three external displays with up to 6K resolution and one external display with up to 4K resolution at 60Hz at over a billion colors (M1 Max)

15:25 <fl0_id> pretty sure that includes hdmi

15:27 <monthebiff> where has the m2 air supports 1 external display, and is thunderbolt 3/ usb 4, despite being the next generation of chip

15:27 <fl0_id> like some tb things, like f.e. dp-alt mode is not even supported on macos, but that's probably a driver thing.

15:27 <fl0_id> monthebiff well but a lower spec chip

15:28 <leio> are you saying in general dp-alt mode is not supposed on macos or on m2 air?

15:28 <fl0_id> things are not always striclty logical in business

15:28 <monthebiff> m3 air does 2 with the lid closed

15:28 <chaos_princess> monthebiff: display limitations are hardware

15:29 <chaos_princess> the display controllers are physical silicon structures, and you can't really drive two screens if you only have one controller

15:29 <monthebiff> cheers chaos_princess - was hoping it was like an apple marketing thing that didn't apply to asahi :P

15:29 <leio> there was one case where there's the hardware but not firmware support iirc on an Air?

15:30 <chaos_princess> yea, there is one specific model where they have both outputs on the crossbar, but macos does not support driving two external monitors if internal is off

15:30 <fl0_id> leio some parts of it might be supported. but f.e. I know that I cannot daisy chain two monitors. For that I would need a tb4 docking station for like 300-400 from what I know. Supposedly if all of dp-altmode was supported, daisy chaining should work

15:30 <chaos_princess> but that is just one exception

15:31 <chaos_princess> fl0_id: the thing you are talking about is "DP MST" and this is also a hardware limitation

15:32 <fl0_id> chaos_princess thanks. yeah sorry for mixing this up

15:32 <fl0_id> when I read it, it didn't really say if it was hardware or software limitation

15:34 <monthebiff> was looking at potential airs to switch to if i was to get rid of my mbpro... but i don't wanna not run asahi :P

15:35 <monthebiff> the m2air doesnt look like a good move though from the m1pro :(

15:35 <chaos_princess> hah

15:36 <chaos_princess> ok, maybe it is related that all my previous computers were driven way past their expected lifetime, but the m1pro is imo an absolutely great machine

15:36 <fl0_id> monthebiff https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38079261

15:36 <fl0_id> chaos_princess same haha. before this I was running a t450s for rly long

15:44 <monthebiff> it is i really like it

15:44 <monthebiff> but im backpacking, and its one of the largest heaviest things im carrying

15:45 <monthebiff> thanks for that link fl10_id ill read

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16:01 <fl0_id> monthebiff also on MST https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25853208

16:01 <fl0_id> sry for linking to so much HN

16:05 * leio needs to figure out what M4 air config to get

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19:43 <pitust> There seems to be a null deref bug in the implementation of kernel::drm::gem::shmem::Object::new (rust/kernel/drm/drv.rs, seems to be downstream and i have *no idea* which upstream it comes from) due to a missing ERR_PTR check

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19:58 <jannau> pitust: I suppose we are currently upstream and downstream

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20:06 <jannau> pitust: did you ran into this?

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20:36 <bgtlover[mds]> <pitust> "There seems to be a null deref..." <- oops, that sounds like a possibility for instant crashing, or worse

20:40 <fl0_id> bgtlover[mds] maybe wait for actual info first...

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