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<mbrumbelow[m]> <Vidrep_64> "waddlesplash, do we have a..." <- Due in 78 years (Jan 1, 2100, 5:00:00 PM) 😝
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<legendaryamerican> Realtime Midi.
<legendaryamerican> That puts folks closer to realtime vst host off a nano blade/nuc type.
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<legendaryamerican> https://www.mimomonitors.com/products/mimo-touch2 I'll need to know if haiku is going to support something like this. Because that's perfect for a vst host.
<legendaryamerican> We get one working and you'll have something real cool at the next haiku gathering.
<legendaryamerican> And just fyi.. vst is how personal computer users model out their kits irl, big-name musicians usually don't have to do things this way as they're not stuck by "buy and error" up and coming.. regional.. small time.. or independent musicians are stuck with in paradigm. I first built my synthesizer hardware station more or less in vst first.. but a live host gives evaluation value due to seeing how something will work in a
<legendaryamerican> live audience.
<legendaryamerican> I'm an independent artist.. a member of ascap.. artist composer and performer. And I am not rich. Most of us aren't. I've loved haiku and beos for years.
<rennj> Patreon begging...
<rennj> squatters rights
<rennj> you are special, and are loved. --donald trump
<rennj> i love the poorly educated --donald trump
<rennj> "Take the guns now, due process later!" --donald trump
<rennj> that was classic
<rennj> legendaryamerican, from south america!
<rennj> haha the governments coming for my guns....yeah and the president bright idea
<legendaryamerican> Russias strategy directed at us for many years.. which Gorbachev tried to reverse.. is what cost them most of the western fringes.. but more so the impact to the south was far worse that even so their own internal republics are mostly not too far from the southern russian border. So much they blur the line where they think that border was with ukraine!
<legendaryamerican> Crimea is firmly ukrainian.
<legendaryamerican> They need to say ok.. Russian republics and former soviet states to the south.. and some stable border neighbors.. form a new organization. Do away with the old.
<legendaryamerican> Because the older organizations were trying to bargain with losses created when the russian government tried to do away with what men like Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin tried to work for.
<legendaryamerican> Whoa! Sorry
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<kallisti5[m]> I got no idea what's going on here lol, but this is the official warning to stay on topic.
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<trungnt2910[m]> <waddlesplash> "icculus: I know korli managed to..." <- Shouldn't this be hellishly slow because nested virtualization isn't supported there? (So no KVM?)
<Not-34b6> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/dd72a66102d4...13cda8577981
<Not-34b6> [haikuports/haikuports] Zakero 13cda85 - fossil: bump version (#7068)
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
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<netpositive> morning
<Begasus> morning netpositive
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<stickman68> has anyone else tried running ./configure on a recent nightly?
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<stickman68> maybe it's just me
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<Anarchos> Begasus hello
<Begasus> Hi Anarchos
<Anarchos> Begasus i am still fighting to debug libroot
<Begasus> Anarchos, no progress?
<Begasus> Finetuning new recipe for furnace atm, should be OK by now
<Begasus> Enabled WARNINGS_ARE_ERRORS in the recipe for now, will not enable that for the PR
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<EmanueleDavalli> hello everybody
<EmanueleDavalli> i'm trying to port Geany on Haiku, it compiles fine but crashes on gtk_icon_theme_init
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<Begasus> eeps
<Begasus> EmanueleDavalli, maybe raise a voice at the forum
<Begasus> 3dEyes is our GTK porter
<Begasus> checked haikuports for some simular issues/patches?
<EmanueleDavalli> thanks Begasus, will do
<x512[m]> I am also looking at GTK port. But with Wayland approach.
<Begasus> os x512[m] could help out :)
<Begasus> os/or*
<win8linux[m]> <Begasus> "3dEyes is our GTK porter..." <- GTK programs on Haiku can already use Xlibbe (X11 compat layer).
<Begasus> yep I know win8linux[m] but I'm not that familiar with it :)
<Begasus> It serves me OK as I can use it to build wxgtk (and therefore scummvm_tools) :)
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<Begasus> PulkoMandy, ready for testing ;)
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<HaikuUser> beep boop
<HaikuUser> oh heh
<Begasus> 'lo HaikuUser
<HaikuUser> came here to Haiku mostly to know if LO would work
<HaikuUser> it does, but I can not for the life of me wrap my head around its remote files feature
<Begasus> LO should be OK I guess
<HaikuUser> I gave it all the creds, all the relevant info, and it just
<HaikuUser> it seems to wanna cosplay a limp fish or something, it doesn't do *anything&
<Begasus> Not sure what you try to do there ;)
<HaikuUser> well I tried to use its remote files feature (for like the second or third time) to no avail
<HaikuUser> then tried krusader, but it just crashes
<HaikuUser> and I seem to have forgot to set my keyboard layout on install, whoopsie
<Anarchos> Begasus well i have troubles with uselocale(), but a simple test works. So i guess it is due to a thread not being the main team thread.
<HaikuUser> was there a beta 4 planned?
<Begasus> planned yes (I guess) but no date yet (afaik)
<Begasus> HaikuUser, never used that feature with LO
<Begasus> can you access the remote server?
<HaikuUser> I can on other systems, yes.
<Begasus> ;)
<Begasus> maybe file an issue at haikuports for it
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<Begasus> Furnace on Haiku
<HaikuUser> oop, that was bound to happen
<HaikuUser> power brick is not stable
<HaikuUser> it works on other systems, mounted as expected
<HaikuUser> but not through LO itself, probably because I have no idea wtf I'm even doing or how to get it to work
<Begasus> hehe
<HaikuUser> their own documentation is about as helpful as water in reducing the slipperiness of teflone
<HaikuUser> isn't there some fusermount thing? is that not a tracker extension?
<Begasus> there should be some package(s) for it I think, long time since I checked there
<HaikuUser> fusermount at least doesn't show up in tracker
<HaikuUser> just anything to do smb transfers at this point
<HaikuUser> and then I can write my stuff here
<Begasus> fusesmb_haiku
<Begasus> not sure how functional it is though
<stickman68> depends on the SMB server you are trying to connect to.
<stickman68> I'm able to connect to a synology nas
<Begasus> last time I did some checks there was in ZETA to connect to network shares
<stickman68> FuseSMB works ok
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<cheetahpixie> yeah this laptop brick keeps cutting
<cheetahpixie> and I lost the replies
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<Begasus> channel is logged, so you can always catch-up ;)
<stickman68> FuseSMB works here
<cheetahpixie> how do you even use it?
<cheetahpixie> it cut *again*.
<cheetahpixie> doesn't like me now it seems
<stickman68> install from haikudepot
<stickman68> got to the network preference app
<stickman68> enable the SMB client
<stickman68> then you will have an SMB Network icon on the desktop
<stickman68> or in the Disks icon
<Begasus> nothing shows up here in "SMB Network" (but it would supprise me) :)
<stickman68> I did have to puzzle out the correct settings for the synology shares
<cheetahpixie> sooo
<cheetahpixie> I enabled it
<cheetahpixie> what now?
<stickman68> open the SMB Network
<stickman68> icon
<stickman68> screenshot_20220722_
<cheetahpixie> nothing in there
<stickman68> you don't have a workgroup folder showing?
<cheetahpixie> no.
<cheetahpixie> I have a share on my network
<cheetahpixie> it's not showing up in any scans
<cheetahpixie> is there a way I can connect directly?
<stickman68> I think it is looking for an SMBv1 share
<stickman68> and for security reasons most OS's have that disabled.
<cheetahpixie> no way to get anything newer?
<cheetahpixie> or perhaps to get krusader to not crash?
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<cheetahpixie> 'sides that... are there no actual audio settings?
<cheetahpixie> because it seems it takes more than just turning volume up to get audio working on my NC10.
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<stickman68> I'm running in a VM right now so audio isn't working for me...
<Begasus> You should be able to open Media preferences through the icon in the Deskbar
<cheetahpixie> yeah, let's see
<cheetahpixie> what atom was in here again
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<cheetahpixie> just says "atom 1.60GHz" and nothing past that
<cheetahpixie> n280, I think
<cheetahpixie> 32 bit thing, it's puny
<cheetahpixie> the trackpad's driver also crashes as soon as I try to two finger scroll with it
<Begasus> crash reports can go to the bugtracker :)
<cheetahpixie> not an actual crash
<cheetahpixie> it just becomes completely unresponsive after trying a two finger scroll
<cheetahpixie> to the point I have to restart just to get that mouse working again
<Begasus> checked syslog?
<cheetahpixie> that preserves across boots like with Linux?
<cheetahpixie> in which case, no, I have not
<cheetahpixie> this thing also doesn't seem to turn off through acpi on haiku
<Begasus> yes
<Begasus> in Terminal "tar -f /var/log/syslog" next time, maybe you can grab some usefull information
<Begasus> not for me, but for the devs :)
<cheetahpixie> sure
<cheetahpixie> is a synaptics pad so that may already be some context
<Begasus> maybe it's mentioned at the forum already
<Begasus> think I have some things passing by there about it
<Begasus> seen*
<mmu_man> oh, pkgconf? I guess some maintained fork of pkg-config https://debconf22.debconf.org/talks/86-pkg-config-pkgconf-bof/
<Begasus> lol mmu_man .... getting older? ;)
<mmu_man> oh we have a recipe already, cool
<Begasus> already for a few years, was done by leorize iirc
<mmu_man> Begasus: yeah I've seen pkg-config getting used more and more and then no news :)
<Begasus> a handy tool (specialy in recipes) :)
<Begasus> mmu_man, there is even one for python now (pkgconfig) :)
<Anarchos> never understood why is pkg-config for...
<waddlesplash> cheetahpixie: are you on the last beta or a nightly?
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<ermo[m]> Anarchos: it's a way to search for development headers.
<ermo[m]> so instead of searching god knows how many different include dirs, you just use the pkg-config tool to ask for the dep you need.
<ermo[m]> quite useful IME.
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<Begasus> and they are mostly used by build systems (like configure/cmake/meson ...) to see if the required libraries are installed
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<Anarchos> ermo[m] ok
<cheetahpixie> I'm on a nightly
<cheetahpixie> waddlesplash
<cheetahpixie> next latest
<cheetahpixie> had the very latest, think it failed to copy due to a cooked card reader
<waddlesplash> two finger touch causing a problem is then known
<waddlesplash> the very latest fixes that
<matt3> it is possible to mount a befs partition to extend haiku root ?
<matt3> expecially apps dir ?
<matt3> to work with pens ?
<matt3> usb pen
<matt3> mount in /apps and /home ???
<matt3> or simply a iso with 1GB or more free space ...
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<matt3> ah, why /apps read only ?
<Begasus> so you don't mess it up? ;)
<cheetahpixie> ah
<matt3> love you all ;0)
<matt3> love your enemy too xD
<matt3> simply to make haiku better
<matt3> to make an haiku office from ub pen ...
<matt3> ...usb pen ...
<Begasus> matt3, you can use ~/config/non-packaged for that (those are writeable) :)
<matt3> i am a lonely boy
<matt3> ;0)
<matt3> thanks Begasus
<matt3> i need freespace for : libreoffice + sanity
<matt3> on usb pen
<matt3> an iso named haikuoffice ?
<matt3> cu later ;0)
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<Not-34b6> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+4/-4/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/13cda8577981...ec11f03b3a23
<Not-34b6> [haikuports/haikuports] Thanson16 ec11f03 - Update openttd, openttd_gfx, openttd_sfx, openttd_msx (#7052)
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<Begasus> I don't know what's going on, but getting ICE quite a lot these last days ... re-running the build mostly without problems ... totally weird!
<waddlesplash> strange
<waddlesplash> haven't had that myself...
<Begasus> yeah, I've seen it in the past, and they were justified
<Begasus> but now ...
<Begasus_32> /sources/furnace-191a0dedf90635b934657d497566a433ae6f165f/src/utfutils.cpp:22:5: internal compiler error: Segmentation violation
<Begasus_32> 22 | int decodeUTF8(const unsigned char* data, char& len) {
<Begasus> Starting the build again works without issues ...
<waddlesplash> RAM corruption?
<waddlesplash> perhaps your PC is starting to fail?
<Begasus> could be, it's not state of the art anymore
<Begasus> laptop*
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<Begasus> Thought sometime this week it was related to clang being installed, but that's not the case anymore
<Begasus> Think I've build furnace about 6 times today without issues
<rennj> you love it another c compiler
<Begasus> not familiar there, so not going if not need be rennj ;)
<rennj> heh when build my embedded amd64 glibc/vmware-vmx os...i be hating it
<rennj> clang/libllvm
<rennj> rm -rf
<rennj> same for libcuda
<rennj> can get to 350MB.iso image with bloated dead code paths
<rennj> cant get to 350MB.iso image with bloated dead code paths
<rennj> https://imgur.com/9H8EV5S df output / tmpfs and /live/media and /live/system /dev/loop0
<rennj> nothing but ram
<rennj> pivot-root/switch_root
<rennj> its all in the initrd
<rennj> rootfs is 335MB and kernel/initrd round it up to 350MB.iso
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<rennj> 2007 128MB.iso, 2019 350MB.iso...the bloat of glibc xorg userland is unavoidable
<rennj> i know if i built 2022 5.xx.x kernel and wayland/xorg is going to be bigger
<rennj> and vmware-vmx...the sale from dell/emc to broadcom..well i dont know what going on..new release is 4x the old release
<rennj> 175307451 Aug 19 2021 VMware-Player-16.1.2-17966106.x86_64.bundle
<rennj> 533193568 Mar 11 05:36 VMware-Player-Full-16.2.3-19376536.x86_64.bundle
<rennj> 168396115 Sep 15 2020 VMware-Player-16.0.0-16894299.x86_64.bundle
<rennj> whats with the bloat?????
<Begasus> I'm not responsible! ;)
<rennj> your damn recipes!
<rennj> hehe
<rennj> yaml xml json...i know it was you!
<Begasus> I don't touch glibc :P
<Begasus> hehe
<rennj> sgml the grand daddy
<Begasus> last thing I know that used yaml files was gertty, and that package isn't that big :P
<rennj> meh..its just another form of order/abstraction...
<rennj> like i said sgml is old old...
<rennj> SGML descended from IBM's Generalized Markup Language (GML), which Charles Goldfarb, Edward Mosher, and Raymond Lorie developed in the 1960s
<Not-34b6> [haiku/website] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/14e5948db908...9c03ae274fea
<Not-34b6> [haiku/website] dominicm00 9c03ae2 - blog/dominicm: GSoC 2022 Ham status update
<Begasus> attending the dogs/pups atm, biab
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<rennj> crazy pic other day..all those puppy's
<rennj> Begasus, is running a puppy mill!!!!!!
<rennj> how much a dog?
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<matt3> source = list of commands ...
<Begasus> rennj, last litter was about 2 years ago, could hardly count as a puppy mill
<Begasus> and no, not discussing pricing for the pups, aside from the pups we still have 8 adults running around here, said farewell to our 2 oldest in a timeframe of 3 monthts
<Begasus> with one being the great-grandmother from these pups
<Begasus> so don't accuse me of being a puppy mill breeder!
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<rennj> raking in the bucks!!!
<Begasus> oh yes?
<Begasus> not going there, I guess you never had more then one dog (if any)
<matt3> peace ...
<Begasus> Our oldest (was almost 15 years) had 2 litters ...
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<rennj> i had a dog and cat growing up..15 and 19..they made it
<rennj> no pets since
<rennj> a collie and a barn cat
<rennj> no leashes or boundaries
<rennj> roaming acres/hectares
<rennj> back when deer use to travel in herds
<rennj> 20deer coming you could hear that shit
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<Begasus> No need to feel I need to justify myself here ...
<Begasus> 'lo Vidrep_64 !
<Vidrep_64> Hi Begasus
<Vidrep_64> I see you're keeping busy with haikuports and dogs
<Begasus> Yes Vidrep_64 and loving it :)
<Vidrep_64> Are you retired yet?
<Begasus> yet another week and than it's back to real live
<Begasus> no, another 2 years (give and take)
<Vidrep_64> Do you think you'll live long enough to see Haiku R1? lol
<Vidrep_64> You've been at this since the beginning, or close to it
<Begasus> I hope so, keeping busy with haikuports keeps my brain alive ;)
<Begasus> yeah, did some packaging back in R5 for the SDL libs/games
<Vidrep_64> Are you guys still having a summer heat wave?
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<Begasus> Today and tomorrow it's OK, for the weekend they predict around 30°C
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<Vidrep_64> It's been hovering near 30C here too. My comfort zone is around 21C
<Begasus> OK if nothing else I think the recipe for furnace should be OK (untill they merge it) PulkoMandy :)
<Begasus> I hear you Vidrep_64 ! :)
<Begasus> Every thing above 25C is overkill here :)
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<Begasus> OK, done for today
<Vidrep_64> gd
<Begasus> Vidrep_64, did you get a chance to checkup on the libusb PR?
<Vidrep_64> No
<Begasus> OK, you raised an issue to update it, filed a PR for it, if it's OK for you I could merge
<Begasus> Would be nice if you could react to the PR, I'll see it in the morning if so :)
<Begasus> Huning the pups to come back in the house again, then the adults comming in :)
<Vidrep_64> You want me to build from source and test USB devices? OK
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<Vidrep_64> Building now. Thanks Begasus
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<Vidrep_64> "waiting for build package libusb-1.0.26-1 to be activated" ???
<Vidrep_64> libusb package never finishes
<Vidrep_64> Same message over and over in terminal
<rennj> perhaps distcc/ccache
<rennj> ftw
<rennj> or perhaps not!
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<PulkoMandy> Vidrep_64, 41ºC last week and plans for the weekend are 41ºC again :(
<PulkoMandy> so, yes, summer heat wave still going
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<Vidrep_64> Just had a weird problem with Tracker and had to reboot
<Vidrep_64> Begasus, after deleting the work directory for libusb, rebooting, and trying the build again, it now builds OK
<Vidrep_64> I'll report back if anything strange happens with usb devices
<Begasus> Thanks Vidrep_64 , closing down here now, cu peeps!
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<nephele> PulkoMandy: apparently, in germany some people have been sending angry letters to the news forecast saying the predictions of 41°C have to be wrong... that's kind of funny, seeing as they were pretty spot on :/. but also sad that people feel the need to write angry letters about that
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<HaikuUser> moin
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<bbjimmy> hrev 56301 tripple faults but hrev56297 seems to work ok
<bbjimmy> waddlesplash ^
<waddlesplash> open a ticket
<waddlesplash> All hrevs after have the same problem I guess?
<bbjimmy> ??
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<bbjimmy> 56301 is the laterst available
<waddlesplash> oh
<waddlesplash> Right, ok. Well it doesn't make much sense to me why it would triple fault but prior hrevs wouldn't
<waddlesplash> seems quite random really, there's nothing in that range that even affects the kernel at all
<bbjimmy> move acpi headers from x86 to non-archhrev56298
<stickman68> everything after 56264 has stalling issues for me.
<waddlesplash> stickman68: do stalled applications use 100% cpu
<waddlesplash> bbjimmy: non functional change, or at least it should be ...
<stickman68> nope
<stickman68> almost 0
<waddlesplash> did you file a ticket?
<waddlesplash> nothing's going to get fixed without one
<stickman68> heh, I thought it was just me being a noob.
<stickman68> I looked at the commits and didn't see anything to explain what was happening.
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<legendaryamerican> I ordered the waveshare 7 inch touchscreen for the mini blade. Because it's got several options to connect.. mini vga.. hdmi.. and runs touch off the USB in. With a USB power in. Perfect thing for a bunch of people trying this thing out.
<legendaryamerican> Amazon has the waveshare. Less than 100 unless you get the protection plan.
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