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<legendaryamerican> This is getting to be a pain installing and booting haiku on the nano.
<legendaryamerican> Boots yes off usb. Installs to nvme.. when booted to the nvme.. is saying try to locate media.
<legendaryamerican> ThinkCentre M90n
<legendaryamerican> Now it's just getting worse. Set all in bios to disable. Except legacy boot. Won't even boot off usb.
<legendaryamerican> Only thing then is re-enable everything I disabled and find out why the system won't see the haiku bootloader.
<legendaryamerican> Kdl ipro. Naturally.
<legendaryamerican> The shortest path to fixing the problem mmu_man highlighted.. is to sue Under the Sherman Act. The shim is an anticompetitive practice.
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<legendaryamerican> The US DOD purchased systems.. the govt did.. like mmu_man and I and some of you came across. If the military.. in an emergency.. required the installation of a specific os.. for a specific purpose.. they could not do so without a pre-arranged thing.. for any OS which could come up needing to be used.
<legendaryamerican> The m90s.. were mostly sold to the military
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<legendaryamerican> The hacking attacks is so effective.. on oil and gasoline and gas pipelines and machinery.. because they can't just switch operating systems for control even if they knew about an exploit and had to wait for a patch. It's crippling the country's and this one too. Problem is convincing the government for each os the military or any dept has to switch to.. would cost pre-arranged fees for any or all of the 66 operating systems
<legendaryamerican> they needed to switch to.
<legendaryamerican> Then it requires time for the programmers to set up the challenge awnser in a secure manner. Months.
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<legendaryamerican> We gotta figure out how to get this haiku running on the m90-n. RustAudio is MIT liscense.. not gpl or lgpl.. so rustaudio if it is.. would be what we would want to use.
<trungnt2910[m]> <PulkoMandy> "the Rust one is here: https://..." <- Lol I don't know how useful the Rust library is when it cannot even parse attributes.
<trungnt2910[m]> Ended up porting the C# HpkgReader to C++.
<legendaryamerican> So. Rust will work. Good. We just gotta get somehow keys from haiku to meet the challenge from the bios. I mean.. short of making a fake windows installation to get the keys.. a key dummy file..
<legendaryamerican> Ie.. install windows. Then in haiku USB boot.. copies the keys to ram then placed into haiku installation when instructed to install haiku.. in a format the lenovo bios can make out.
<legendaryamerican> I don't know how easy this would be.. but ripkeys and instkeys would be the named applications. In graphical would be labeled "compatibility keys"
<legendaryamerican> A. Install Windows and check activation. B. Boot haiku on USB. C. Run ripkeys from cli or script or from the compatibility gui.. D. Wipe hard disk and prepare for haiku install. E. Haiku install. F. run instkeys from cli or gui. G. Reboot into haiku and enjoy pure madness.
<rennj> sounds complicated. https://imgur.com/1psrhvL
<legendaryamerican> I can think of numerous memes to describe this.. but I don't think the "compatibility manager managers" at lenovo or some other company and msft can legally do anything to you.
<rennj> how about i start my computer like my car with usb key..it boots and loads os into ram..the network,local storage..is just that storage
<legendaryamerican> I don't start my car with a key. It's hotwired.
<rennj> launch a bunch of virtual machines..for whatever else i need, rm -rf in the end
<rennj> yeah and you can remove the key
<rennj> just for starting
<rennj> you ready for the evil-maid?
<rennj> steal your gear/key logger while you are out to dinner
<legendaryamerican> I used to do vm stacking. I've done all sorts of vm stacking.
<rennj> vmware-vmx x 4 on 16GB laptop is not issue
<rennj> haiku and amiga vm are low memory
<rennj> windows and linux vm are 4GB+
<rennj> and vm1 linux vm has 67day uptime guest vm, just like host os
<rennj> vmware-vmx X11/xorg and fvwm 67days no crashes..anyway
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<rennj> i had 2.6GB ram left over..i could have launched openbsd or freebsd vm
<rennj> or my nextstep vm
<legendaryamerican> I don't foresee any major hardware jumps for a few years because of the silicon backlog. So mmu_man is right on the right to repair aspect. People have to keep machines running longer and imagine what it looks like when lenovo drops support for the i5-i9
<rennj> that is 768MB limit
<legendaryamerican> Or msft..
<rennj> i got six years power on hours..longest ive kept hardware
<rennj> use to replace system every 2 years
<rennj> my 4core/4thread 16GB ram, 500GB ssd laptop 2015 model i got in 2016 has over six years power on hours on laptop/ssd
<legendaryamerican> Can't upgrade into new systems because there's no justification to. But they drop support.. this creates a major problem. Eventually everyone is running alternative os..
<rennj> my sun sparc 5 didnt last six years
<rennj> psu hd would fail long before
<legendaryamerican> But can't because even linux on some of these systems is like trying to defuse an explosive.
<rennj> samsung_ssd_get_lifetime_writes.bash
<legendaryamerican> Ubuntu booted from usb.. once. I deleted the windows installation it jumps to grub on USB boot.
<rennj> On time: 54,184 hr
<rennj> over six years
<legendaryamerican> But ubuntu runs on lenovo!
<legendaryamerican> Doesn't look like it to me
<rennj> You Cant Cheat An Honest Man 1939!!!
<rennj> Never Give a Sucker an Even Break!!!
<legendaryamerican> Iinus is getting ripped.. he should sue. You pay and it doesn't work? You go get satisfaction!
<legendaryamerican> JLG wasn't able to be in charge when someone sued for a rip off job.
<rennj> ibm --redhat--
<rennj> pay ubuntu for support
<rennj> pay suse!
<rennj> pay oracle for sun solaris and linux support
<legendaryamerican> They sold a fraudulent fulfillment or fitness to purpose.. to the Linux foundation.
<rennj> what sale
<legendaryamerican> Beos didn't have that charge they could make. Linus has that one. He can declare they defrauded linux foundation.. because no.. you really can't install unbuntu on systems that the maker says supports ubuntu.
<legendaryamerican> That is Fraud. The securities and exchange commission didn't have that one years ago to look into. They do now but they have to be told.
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<legendaryamerican> If linux foundation paid what was required so their OS's could install on said systems and people are not able to install on systems manufacturers say support linux.. he can sue them for fraud.
<legendaryamerican> And should. Zero Wait.
<legendaryamerican> If federal investigating finds there was criminal conspiracy to commit fraud.. it means jail time.
<legendaryamerican> Users should be just able to install whatever they want. True that but as far as this is concerned... there is a payment for something to perform with a certian fitness to purpose (legal premise) and an implicit declaration that it does but it just does not for anyone doing it.. it'd fraud. Cash money fraud.
<legendaryamerican> Many companies hire a corporate lawyer to see what they can possibly get away with. Sometimes those lawyers defect. And go after corporations like that.
<rennj> Greetings, Starfighter. You have been recruited by the Star League to defend the Frontier against Xur and the Ko-dan Armada.
<rennj> come in last starfighter?
<rennj> how about shop smart! shop S-mart!
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
<Begasus> memory test is running on the other laptop waddlesplash , hope it will be ok though :)
<rennj> powered toast man!
<Not-34b6> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+4/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/ec11f03b3a23...ae81efdcedb5
<Not-34b6> [haikuports/haikuports] TheZeldakatze ae81efd - airstrike: new recipe (#7044)
<netpositive> morning
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<Begasus> morning netpositive
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<Not-34b6> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/ae81efdcedb5...81ced53809dc
<Not-34b6> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 81ced53 - atk, bump version (#7072)
<Not-34b6> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/81ced53809dc...97b4731815fe
<Not-34b6> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 97b4731 - atk, fix checksum (#7073)
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] autocommitter pushed 1 commit to master [hrev56302] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=6c816028fa06+%5Eba0a86ca6065
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 6c816028fa06 - Update translations from Pootle
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<matt3> hi
<nephele> good day
<Not-34b6> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/97b4731815fe...9082c85801c4
<Not-34b6> [haikuports/haikuports] kenmays 9082c85 - curl: bump to 7.84.0 (#7054)
<Begasus> hi matt3 nephele
<Begasus> nephele, PR for furnace is created
<matt3> hi to everybody : siply hello !!! ;0)
<matt3> simply hello ...
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<nephele> Begasus: very nice!
<Begasus> with help from upstream ;)
<nephele> Yes, I have read the PR there. It's awesome when upstream projects make the patches themselves ;)
<Begasus> yeah, was pleasantly supprised there
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<Not-34b6> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/9082c85801c4...7a3644c0916c
<Not-34b6> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 7a3644c - tiff, bump version (#7062)
<Not-34b6> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/7a3644c0916c...2ca65e1f2f0c
<Not-34b6> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 2ca65e1 - wxgtk, bump version (#7063)
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<Begasus> Is it me or is the forum slow atm?
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<matt3> hi Begasus
<matt3> peace to everybody on haiku os : peace
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<yann64[m]> <Begasus> "Is it me or is the forum slow..." <- Not much difference on my side
<Not-34b6> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/2ca65e1f2f0c...9e8cf61cd9a5
<Not-34b6> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 9e8cf61 - scummvm-tools, bump version (#7065)
<Begasus> Probably me yann64[m] , but thanks for responding ;)
<Begasus> I thought I read someone trying to build Geany in the forum, but can't find the thread anymore :D
<yann64[m]> Begasus: that was yesterday on IRC
<Begasus> oh ;)
<Begasus> well it builds, launches, but missing icons ... https://ibb.co/PtSMfps
<Begasus> did an update for atk for it
<yann64[m]> EmanueleDavalli was the one attempting to do it
<yann64[m]> nice :)
<Begasus> ah right
<Begasus> <EmanueleDavalli> i'm trying to port Geany on Haiku, it compiles fine but crashes on gtk_icon_theme_init
<Begasus> no crash here though
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<Begasus> k, no issues updating, curl, tiff are fine :)
<Begasus> wxgtk update, new version for scummvm_tools (with GUI) ... nice :)
<Begasus> time for the grandchildren, bbl
<Begasus> another 3 down in my list :) https://github.com/Begasus/haikuports/wiki/WIP
<andreasdr[m]> Good morning
<yann64[m]> Begasus: hope you succeed w/ Code::Blocks, I use it a lot for C and Fortran
<yann64[m]> and obviously C++ with code completion would be a real bonus on Haiku
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<rennj> BeIDE , Pe , Lazarus pascal IDE Begasus worked on...
<rennj> Intellij
<rennj> Paladin is an open source integrated development environment (IDE) modeled after BeOS' BeIDE.
<rennj> KDevelop is a free software integrated development environment (IDE) developed under the KDE Umbrella.
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<trungnt2910[m]> What're the default permissions for files on PackageFS when they don't have a `FILE_PERMISSIONS` attribute?
<trungnt2910[m]> Many files here don't seem to have an attribute tag.
<trungnt2910[m]> *a FILE_PERMISSIONS tag.
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [hrev56303] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=730f5df3545d+%5E6c816028fa06
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 730f5df3545d - aboutSystem: remove spleen font credits
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [hrev56304] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=08fdc76a6191+%5E730f5df3545d
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 08fdc76a6191 - WebPositive: Fix INTEGRATE_MENU_INTO_TAB_BAR.
<x512[m]> > BMenu* mainMenu = new BMenu("≡");
<x512[m]> NOooo!!!
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<PulkoMandy> attack of the hamburgers!!!
<PulkoMandy> (it's in a #if 0 so we're safe for now...)
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<Begasus> heading down, cu peeps!
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<waddlesplash> x512[m]: yeah I don't think we should enable it by default
<waddlesplash> but I have gotten used to them myself, so...
<x512[m]> I want to have tabbed windows instead of tab bar.
<rennj> mxterm!
<rennj> hmm libXm the 32bit only library
<rennj> why openwindows/olvwm on 64bit is no go
<rennj> hmm libXm4
<rennj> tabbed terminals and browsers was fine by me..
<rennj> filemanger having tabs sure why not i guess
<rennj> amiga had the corner screen to pull down whole screen
<rennj> tabbed screen vs virtual windows
<rennj> vmware did tabbed virtual machines
<rennj> in the interface
<rennj> i prefer to run them un tabbed
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<rennj> you can't cheat an honest man, and never give a sucker an even break. --w.c. fields
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<rennj> file manager, browser, terminal...virtual machines...then whole screens...yeah..tabbed meh/w00t
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<nephele> Lol, I thought that code was broken because it was deemed pointless... I probably would have removed it for my change to have tree tabs
<nephele> I don't see the point why we should do something like that, especially if it's in one app only...
<nephele> I don't suppose someone knows on the top of their head what CpuidleDevice got renamed to?
<nephele> somehow gitea does not let me search through historic git commits, ugh
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<nephele> Github also doesn't allow this? uhh... the future is here... i guess
<Anarchos> is there a guide to add a new platform to haiku ?
<x512[m]> Platform? What does it mean? CPU architecture? Firmware interface?
<Anarchos> x512[m]: cpu architecture.
<x512[m]> I think that some existing architecture is copied as template and implementation is rewritten. You may ask kallisti5 about initial setup of new architecture stub code.
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<Anarchos> x512[m]: ok. I had the idea to port it to MMIX (fictional cpu arch with good simulators, from Knuth). I know that gcc supports it.
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<sanzfc> Anyone else with a problem with audio speed in QMPlay2 when playing YouTube videos?
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