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<cocobean>
WebPositive (hrev56627) is kaput with newer haikuwebkit 1.9.1 - Symbol not found issue. (NetworkCookie)
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<Halian|Haiku>
Stupid question: How do I return my desktop environment to the behavior of the liveCD, where the size of windows is limited by the near edge of the deskbar, instead of beingable to expand them to cover the whole screen?
<Halian|Haiku>
(Also, icons dont show up in GTK-based programs like Inkscape, even though I have the Adwaita icon theme installed.)
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<humdinger>
morning!
<humdinger>
Begasus off to dog school already? :)
<humdinger>
Halian|Haiku: wrt your 1st question: deactivate Auto-raise in Deskbar preferences.
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<Halian|Haiku>
humdinger: that doesn't seem to have changed anything :(
<humdinger>
you do mean when maximising a window with the zoom button in the window tab, right?
<Halian|Haiku>
Yes, but also by dragging the bottom right corner of the window
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<humdinger>
that should always be able to obscure the deskbar.
<humdinger>
you sure you remember the behaviour correctly?
<Halian|Haiku>
In the liveUSB, neither can, which is the behavior I prefer
<humdinger>
I haven't used liveUSB/CD in a long while. it's hard to believe there's a special behaviour there, but if you're sure...
<Halian|Haiku>
Hrm
<Halian|Haiku>
I wonder if its specific to the new beta lol
<Halian|Haiku>
(in which case I need to figure out how to upgrade my existing installation)
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<humdinger>
it'd need special code, that I haven't seen been added since the last beta, but maybe I did miss it.
<Halian|Haiku>
*shrug*
<humdinger>
Currently the repo servers have issues when it comes to updating.
<Halian|Haiku>
Oof
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<Halian|Haiku>
brb
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<Halian|Haiku>
Back
<humdinger>
replop
<Halian|Haiku>
:#
<Halian|Haiku>
:3 *
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<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] davidkaroly 8afecd6 - filezilla: use BNotification (#7514)
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<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
Hey guys. What's the estimated release date of Beta 4?
<PulkoMandy>
it's "when it's ready"
<PulkoMandy>
there are still some bugs to be fixed and we work on it when we can, for most of us in evening and weekends outside of our full time jobs and other real life activities
<PulkoMandy>
so we can't commit to a regular schedule
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
That's understandable
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
So what are the major issues you guys are working on?
<PulkoMandy>
you can check the roadmap page at https://dev.haiku-os.org/roadmap to see the things left to work on. Not many left currently for beta4, so hopefully in the next few weeks. Unless we discover new problems
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<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
PulkoMandy: Thanks!!
<PulkoMandy>
I'm mainly working on the web browser, yesterday I think I fixed one of the remaining problems with downloads not working, but I see on the bugtracker someone said it still doesn't work for them
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<PulkoMandy>
wanted to do more testing but I can't update my haiku install to the latest version due to https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/18115 so waiting for that to be fixed
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
So how do you 'test' stuff?
<PulkoMandy>
and this afternoon I go to the end of year concert for the choir I sing in, so not a lot of Haiku work planned today probably anyway
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
I'm still trying to get the hang of things around here so pardon my silly questions
<PulkoMandy>
well I just use Haiku on my main computer. Often I try to work on something and I end up finding bugs in the OS
<PulkoMandy>
I hope this new web browser release will allow me to use Haiku more. The previous version of haikuwebkit was not working very well so I end up doing a lot of my web browsing on a windows machine :(
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
Okayy
<PulkoMandy>
after that's fixed and probably after beta4 is out, I will have a look at fixing my touchpad (doesn't work yet on my new laptop) and also trying to get multiple displays working, I saw that Redox OS managed to do multiple displays using only EFI firmware, I want to check if that would be possible on my machine
<PulkoMandy>
currently I can use only the laptop internal display, it would be great to use my external and much larger display I think :)
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
That's true. After using OS like windows and MacOS, it does feel like a ride through the time machine using Haiku. But surprisingly that makes my intrigue go up and find out more about how this stuff actually works
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
PulkoMandy: That would be a relief I guess
<PulkoMandy>
well I had the same problem with the previous laptop as well, but yes, it's quite annoying
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<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 6e95485 - haiku_svg_icon_theme: bump version
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<Halian-Haiku>
Hi again
<Halian-Haiku>
got beta3 x64 installed on my desktop but my usb keyboard won't play nicely with it. if i try to type anything, haiku becomes unusably laggy and the last keypress repeats infinitely, until hard reset.
<OscarL>
that ticket recommends trying again with a newer Haiku version (hrev56570 and up).
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<OscarL>
Halian-Haiku: So.. the latest nightly image, or the beta4 test candidate should do (at least for testing a possible fix to that problem)
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<Halian-Haiku>
OscarL, ok. beta4 tc0 won't boot here, i've filed a ticket for that. will have to try latest nightly.
<OscarL>
Halian-Haiku: if TC0 won't boot for you... I doubt current nightlies will (not much difference between them, for now at least) :-(
<Halian-Haiku>
oh no ;-;
<Halian-Haiku>
Okay, I grabbed a cheap HP keyboard, plugged it in, and it works just fine. What the heck?
<Halian-Haiku>
(My main keyboard is a Walmart store-brand mechanical keyboard that doesn't have a USB hub or any other bells or whistles that would, AFAICT, impede basic functionality.)_
<OscarL>
Well, at least you have something working now. There are some issues with the HID handling on beta3, that gets triggered by some devices... that Wallmart KB seems to be one of them :-)
<Halian-Haiku>
Oof X3
<Halian-Haiku>
Hopefully my beta4 ticket has a swift and satisfying resolution *crosses fingers*
<OscarL>
Regarding TC0 not booting for you... do you have a ticket number?
<Halian-Haiku>
Yeah, give me a second to find it again
<OscarL>
Halian_Haiku: it would be nice to add that screenshot to your ticket, indicating that you've tried with the latest nightly.
<Halian_Haiku>
I was just thinking the same thing
<OscarL>
So the devs have a bit more info.
<Halian_Haiku>
Done
<OscarL>
nice.
<OscarL>
You may want to directly attach the image (instead of just the link), though. To make sure it remains there.
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<Halian_Haiku>
I missed that I could do that ^^;
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<Halian_Haiku>
Also, I can't install most software in the repository, or even upgrade, because nothing I have provides haiku>=r1~beta4_hrev56578_31-1 required by most everything. yay /s
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<Halian_Haiku>
s/nothing I have/nothing/
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<Begasus>
'lo peeps
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<andreasdr[m]>
Hi all
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<OscarL>
Hola Begasus, andreasdr[m], et all :-)
<AlienSoldier>
can't seem to update, here is what i get:
<Begasus>
Hi OscarL ! long time no see :)
<OscarL>
Halian_Haiku: there are some problems with the Haiku repo at the moment, so no one can update even the beta4 branch :-)
<OscarL>
Begasus: yeah... too much heat down here to do much around hot computers :-D
<Begasus>
Don't know how it is there OscarL but it's not that hot/warm here :)
<AlienSoldier>
it is warm here for a december
<OscarL>
"here": Catamarca/Argentina. 36C right now... and it's a "cool" day here.
<Begasus>
We're at some freezing point here :)
<OscarL>
Wish we could trade some degrees at least :-D
<AlienSoldier>
-5C
<Begasus>
Right AlienSoldier compared to what it was in the past it's not that cold :)
<OscarL>
I could send you at least 15C before reaching for the pullover.
<Begasus>
Nah, it's the time of year, it's bound to get cold :)
<Begasus>
Hi andreasdr[m] ! :)
<Begasus>
OscarL, what's up with the PR for python, any work needed there?
<augiedoggie>
it seems like the last time python was updated it broke pip
<OscarL>
For the 3.10.8? As good as it will get, if it depends on me :-D
<Begasus>
k, time to investigate then
<OscarL>
pip likes to be really up to date. it always complains when you run an older version (at least it does for me on Windows)
<Begasus>
maybe that could use an update then too?
<OscarL>
I bet, yeah.
<Begasus>
Could you have a look at that OscarL ? ;)
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<OscarL>
I'll try, albeit I'm not really experienced enough. I think there are some issues with where the python package expect to install things, that not always match the ones from the pip package (and definitively do NOT match the pip you get if you use "python -m pip install -U pip")
<Begasus>
Not familiar there, I know some python recipes as I've updated them in the past, but never used pip
<OscarL>
I planned to do my best on that regard for the Python 3.11 recipe + patchset, as I had to "massage" that patchset quite a bit to make it apply, and I was also NOT wanting to alter the previous Python packages :-)
<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 1c855a9 - tidy, bump version (#7517)
<OscarL>
and mixing python packages installed with pkgman, with the ones installed by pip... makes some things worse... and hard to pinpoint where the problem is (at least for me).
<Begasus>
Maybe you could focus on pip?
<OscarL>
I mostly ever used python on windows, so... no conflicts whatsoever with regards to package manager, or system installed interpreter :-)
<OscarL>
Begasus: I'll give it a go. With zero promises of not breaking things further :-P
<Begasus>
Having pip working as it should would be te way to go OscarL :)
<OscarL>
And wheres the fun on that? :-P
<OscarL>
augiedoggie: you mean the update from 3.7 to 3.9 as "default Python"? or a particular update on other Python recipe?
<augiedoggie>
i think it affected all of them after they were updated but i didn't test each version
<Begasus>
It's been reported that with the switch it broke some ...
<OscarL>
I see. Might be "simply" that our current pip package is just too old. There has been a lot of activity on pip/setuptools/wheels/etc on the lasts months.
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<OscarL>
I'll prepare some "mates" (our national drink) while the VM starts... and see what I can do.
<Begasus>
augiedoggie, did you try a current build for pip? haven't looked at the recipe, if it's using cmd:python3 ...
<Begasus>
nvm, probably needs an update
<OscarL>
Begasus: regarding the 3.10.8 PR... I've been running that version on 32 bits since I've open the PR. No mayor issues.
<Begasus>
OscarL, so good to go?
<OscarL>
On my end, yes.
<Begasus>
Thanks :)
<OscarL>
there's a lot to fix regarding tests, and problems on Haiku (or the Python port) that those tests might reveal, but it works as fine as it did before, but with optimizations enabled.
<OscarL>
yes :-) I should probably revisit that branch on my fork, and at least fix the problems I already spotted on the patchset.
<OscarL>
After that... I'll open a draft PR, so other people can provide some feedback.
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<bbjimmy>
epiphany is still broken on x86_64
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<OscarL>
Begasus: do you reckon that I should be able to delete a "REPLACE" entry on that pip recipe? it was added 6 years ago. Doubt there are many packages still depending on "python_pip" anymore, right?
<OscarL>
that name seems to be a Python 2 thing, and pip dropped support for 2.x on pip 21.0, on Jan 2021.
<Begasus>
OscarL, don't know, but python2.7 should be removed where possible
<OscarL>
+1. Already nuked it :-D
<Begasus>
;)
<OscarL>
Gah... installing every setuptools_python3x under the sun now :-(
<OscarL>
And I bet it will also download every python3.x package too :-/
<OscarL>
Ah... the joys of porting :-D
<Begasus>
bbjimmy, did you look at the forum, maybe it's the post-install script not functioning?
<OscarL>
I guess I can watch a movie while I wait for the downloads to finish... silver linings.
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<Begasus>
Build is OK on buildmaster OscarL ;)
<OscarL>
Mmm.... "Warning: POLICY ERROR: no matching self provides pip_python" (I already removed 2.7 from PYTHON_PACKAGES and PYTHON_VERSIONS.
<OscarL>
Begasus: nice :-)
<OscarL>
that was FAST (compared to my poor machine :-()
<Begasus>
same here OscarL ;)
<bbjimmy>
Begasus yes
<Begasus>
bbjimmy, did you try to run the script in Terminal? (haven't checked epiphany and on 32bit so can't check there)
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<OscarL>
And I was worried about it using "--enable-optimizations" due to the increased build time... but if buildmaster can handle webkit... I shouldn't have worried so much :D
<Begasus>
lol
<OscarL>
Very noticeable difference on the build times on 32 vs 64 bits.
<Begasus>
Mostly 64bit is faster then 32bit
<OscarL>
~35 mins on 32 bits, vs 21 on 64 bits. Now at least have something to compare to.
<Begasus>
I see it also when I build some packages on both arch's
<OscarL>
35-40 mins on my 64 bit install to build that same recipe (depending if using bare metal or VM). 32 bits... I didn't even wanted to know :D
<Begasus>
nice! geany reports version for tidy and vala now :)
<bbjimmy>
Begasus same error after running the script from a Terminal.
<OscarL>
PROVIDES_python="$PROVIDES_python
<OscarL>
This is getting recursively confusing :-/
<bbjimmy>
Where to report the error?
<Begasus>
bbjimmy, at haikuports
<bbjimmy>
ok
<OscarL>
Ah! is that mean to be read as PROVIDES_python="${PROVIDES}_python? I was searching for where "PROVIDES_python" was defined... but it was the "PROVIDES" I should be removing.
<Begasus>
looking at the recipe here it looks like that OscarL
<Begasus>
thanks bbjimmy
<Begasus>
but I'm unsure about pip, so best to check if it's working OscarL :)
<OscarL>
+1
<Begasus_32>
grabbing pip-22.2.2-1-any.hpkg and moving it to /Opslag/haikuports/packages/pip-22.2.2-1-any.hpkg
<Begasus_32>
grabbing pip_python3-22.2.2-1-any.hpkg and moving it to /Opslag/haikuports/packages/pip_python3-22.2.2-1-any.hpkg
<Begasus_32>
grabbing pip_python310-22.2.2-1-any.hpkg and moving it to /Opslag/haikuports/packages/pip_python310-22.2.2-1-any.hpkg
<Begasus_32>
grabbing pip_python38-22.2.2-1-any.hpkg and moving it to /Opslag/haikuports/packages/pip_python38-22.2.2-1-any.hpkg
<Begasus_32>
grabbing pip_python39-22.2.2-1-any.hpkg and moving it to /Opslag/haikuports/packages/pip_python39-22.2.2-1-any.hpkg
<Begasus>
working here ;)
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<OscarL>
Build went OK. But 5 packages where created: pip-22.2.1-any.hpkg (contains only a license) and 4 for each version from 3.7 to 3.10
<Begasus>
It's known OscarL
<OscarL>
K.
<Begasus>
base package doesn't provide anything
<Begasus>
*has been mentioned a few times
<OscarL>
Will take a look at some WARNINGS that went flying by, to see if they are important or what.
<Begasus>
+1
<OscarL>
(before doing some "pip install"s to see how it behaves)
<OscarL>
Do haikuporter leaves build logs somewhere as it does on buildmaster?
<OscarL>
(cause some of the output got cut out of the Terminal screen buffer)
<Begasus>
Only when you run it in Termina I think
<Begasus>
not sure if it's possible to > log?
<Begasus>
any way, closing down here
<OscarL>
I guess that's what the buildmaster do. Wish we could do both at the same time.
<OscarL>
Nice to "read you" Begasus. Take care!
<Begasus>
Thanks OscarL ! nice to read you again also ;)
<Begasus>
cu peeps!
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<Vidrep_64>
Hi
<Vidrep_64>
PulkoMandy, is HaikuWebKit 1.9.1 now in sync with master?
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<Vidrep_64>
I saw somebody was still having problems with downloads. I'm not seeing it anymore here.
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<Vidrep_64>
For those testing hardware compatibility with Haiku, there is a script available which will create a report that can be submitted to the devs . https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/13671
<AlienSoldier>
it is available in 32 bit now but i can't test it yet until the update checksum problem is resolved
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<Halian_Haiku>
Is it yet known what's causing the repo issues?
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<OscarL>
Halian_Haiku: according to the dev looking into it... he already knows "where" the problem is.
<Halian_Haiku>
OscarL: excellent
<Halian_Haiku>
...actually, clarification request: is it the checksum issue or the "provides haiku>=r1~beta4_hrev56578_31-1" issue?
<Halian_Haiku>
I'm slightly more interested in the latter, though equally useless in trying to help fix either X3
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<AlienSoldier>
Halian_Haiku what is the "provide" one?
<OscarL>
I mean the checksum issue :-/
<Vidrep_64>
Hi OscarL (bipolar)
<OscarL>
*meant
<Halian_Haiku>
AlienSoldier: [09:06:12] <Halian_Haiku> Also, I can't install most software in the repository, or even upgrade, because nothing I have provides haiku>=r1~beta4_hrev56578_31-1 required by most everything. yay /s
<Halian_Haiku>
todo: file a ticket for that as well
<OscarL>
Hello there Vidrep_64!
<Halian_Haiku>
Vidrep_64: henlo!
<Halian_Haiku>
OscarL: ahh
<Halian_Haiku>
Looks like it's a PEBKAC issue, as I didn't run `pkgman update`
<OscarL>
Problem is... until the checksum issue is resolved... you will not be able to update anyway :-D
<Vidrep_64>
Halian_Haiku, are you running Beta 3?
<Halian_Haiku>
Vidrep_64: yes; beta 4 won't boot, for which I filed ticket 18116
<Vidrep_64>
Ok
<Halian_Haiku>
Beta 3 installed fine with the caveat that I have to use fail-safe drivers, otherwise my monitor throws "Out of Range"
<Halian_Haiku>
s/drivers/graphics drivers/
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<OscarL>
Your GPU should probably be blacklisted from the radeon_hd driver then.
<OscarL>
(or its support fixed :-D)
<Halian_Haiku>
I need to do the former; ideally the latter happens soon :x
<OscarL>
Now that I think about it... there were some device removal from that radeon driver... but that's on beta4/nightlies
<Halian_Haiku>
Would that AMDGPU made its way to Haiku
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<Halian_Haiku>
brb rebooting
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<OscarL>
Seems that the checksum problem got resolved.
<OscarL>
Vidrep_64: that hardwarechecker.sh script looks nice. Was wondering why something like that wasn't being used (instead of people trying to collect data from forum posts :-D).
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<OscarL>
Guess we're missing the server-side of it to collect those reports into at least a sqlite DB.
<AlienSoldier>
OscarL not yet working for me on 32but, perhaps it will take a few min for the 32bit build to be made
<AlienSoldier>
i will rety in 30min
<AlienSoldier>
*retry
<OscarL>
AlienSoldier: could be... I just find out it worked on 64 bits because the mentioned hardwarechecker.sh needed to install some package.. and it just worked :-D
<bbjimmy>
Vidrep_64 right click the haiku in the top left corner of haiku-os.org and select Download Image with hrev56627 and HaikuWebKit 1.9.1, one gets a Download labelex -1 and there is no download.
<Vidrep_64>
That script has benn around a while (korli, I think?) created it
<Vidrep_64>
Except for sending the report to a database, it works as advertised
<bbjimmy>
*no nothing
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<OscarL>
Update did not completed :-(. And there's a new build running already for 64 bits. I guess kallisti5[m] is running some tests, and I got right in the middle of it :-D
<bbjimmy>
So yes, Downloads are still broken in Web+
<kallisti5[m]>
OscarL: sorry. Working on trying to debug the issue now.. it's a doozy
<OscarL>
Vidrep_64: regarding the script: Copyright 2011-2014 François Revol :-)
<kallisti5[m]>
the artifacts at the source are all new. So rclone is choosing to not update "some" artifacts. I really don't get why still. Running rclone with debug output now
<HaikuUser>
._. even after doing an update, I still get the "nothing provides haiku>=r1~beta4_hrev56578_31-1" error
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<kallisti5[m]>
OscarL: nah. it's the actual repos in s3
<kallisti5[m]>
if I do two builds of the same hrev.. the packages will have differing sha256sums
<OscarL>
holy!
<kallisti5[m]>
so mixing and matching a repo file, and packages makes a broken repo
<Halian|Haiku>
D:
<kallisti5[m]>
the differing sha256sums are expected... but rclone can't "choose to update some packages, and not others"
<kallisti5[m]>
that's what is causing things to go nuclear
<OscarL>
using sync instead of copy is not an option, I assume?
<kallisti5[m]>
sync would fix it... but i'm also copying into a directory with other builds
<kallisti5[m]>
aka.. copy repo.x86_64/ (master/x86_64/r1~hrevblah) into s3/
<kallisti5[m]>
my fear is, sync will delete all the other build directories
<OscarL>
Ah... understood.
<kallisti5[m]>
since they "dont exist at the source"
<kallisti5[m]>
yeah... it's tricky
<OscarL>
yup
<kallisti5[m]>
and for the copy command, i don't have access to r1~hrevblah
<kallisti5[m]>
so i can't put it "into the correct directory"
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<kallisti5[m]>
my assumption was "copy" would copy and overwrite any old artifacts. The fact that rclone is only "overwriting some artifacts" is weird
<kallisti5[m]>
so then i'd assume there's some -f (force overwrite) for rclone copy... but there isn't lol
<kallisti5[m]>
:sigh:
<kallisti5[m]>
anyway.. i'm hopeful rclone -vv will tell me why it's making these stupid choices
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<kallisti5[m]>
if we can make rclone work, we can distribute identical artifacts to a huge number of places at build (archive.org, etc)
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<OscarL>
Welp, time to get some sleep. Will do the pip{3.7, 3.8,3.9,3.10} testing when I wake up.
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<Halian|Haiku>
"This is expected, beta3 updates have ceased and packages have been rebuilt against beta4 now. Update either to a nightly build or to beta4 latest in order to install those packages." :(
<waddlesplash>
Halian|Haiku: the time to report serious issues with beta4 was a few months ago before beta3 was deprecated :)
<waddlesplash>
if this really is a regression, determining at approximately what point on the nightlies things stopped working will be helpful
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<Halian|Haiku>
waddlesplash: a few months ago I didn't even know beta4 was even being worked on :|
<waddlesplash>
well, Haiku was being worked on :)
<Halian|Haiku>
:|
<Halian|Haiku>
Furthermore, none of the download links for beta4 TC0 are working right now :(
<Halian|Haiku>
brb trying the latest nightly again. probably gonna fail again because I'm terminally late to everything
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<Halian|Haiku>
Hello from the Haiku hrev56627 live USB :o
<Halian|Haiku>
Unfortunately, it lags for about a second or so every five seconds, making typing a Chore :(
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
What are you working on?
<Halian|Haiku>
s/five/three/
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<Halian|Haiku>
Each lag spike is accompanied by a 10 percentage point increase in activity on CPU 2
<Halian|Haiku>
It appears to be media_addon_serv hogging the CPU, per
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
Halian|Haiku: How are you able to monitor the CPU usage? And is there any reason you know of that could cause this?
<Halian|Haiku>
BarmenduChakraborty[m]: ActivityMonitor, or top
<Halian|Haiku>
s/per/per top.
<Halian|Haiku>
s/per/per top/ *
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
okayy
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<Halian|Haiku>
Killing media_addon_serv doesn't help, alas
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
So there must be something else causing it...
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<Halian|Haiku>
Apparently has to do with XHCI
* Halian|Haiku
tries upgrading his existing beta3 install
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<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
Halian|Haiku: A really unrelated question, what time-zone are you from?
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<HaikuUser>
Tried adding the r1beta4 repo to my existing installation, got a checksum error. Seems expected right now, but :/ anyway.
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