* xoblite
has only very limited email capabilities on this particular system atm
<OscarL>
It also appears on the body... but like this: <div style=3D"display:none"> Gerrit-Change-Id: I32ece29aa04e357cb4a8a0672be= cb754e4ccdacf </div>
<OscarL>
that "display:none" certainly doesn't helps :-D
<xoblite>
indeed, I just found it!!!!
<xoblite>
now I just need to get that ID across system boundaries as well.. sigh.
<Anarchos>
weird : 'pkgman search' find gtk3_source but 'pkgman install' is unable to find it
<OscarL>
Seems no *_source packages are actually "installable".
<OscarL>
(just tried with a small one: "ne_source")
<OscarL>
I think they are just there to comply with GPL requirements, and not to actually "install" them.
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<xoblite>
OscarL: of course, "could not lookup commit <....>"
<xoblite>
sigh
<OscarL>
100% sure it reads "Change-Id: I32ece29aa04e357cb4a8a0672becb754e4ccdacf" on your commit?
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<xoblite>
yes
<OscarL>
:-(
<xoblite>
strange though that something is (un)visible in an email notification but not in the Gerrit web interface? (i.e. is this a real change ID or not?)
<xoblite>
my thinking with the fetch --depth=100 is that maybe git commit does a local lookup of commit IDs, not remote?
<xoblite>
i.e. since my commit was outside the --depth=10 I had fetched before, maybe just maybe...
* OscarL
throws both hands in the air
<xoblite>
wow git crashed! :)
<OscarL>
awesome!
<xoblite>
...so I start over.... zzzzzz
<xoblite>
nope no luck after fetch either :(
<xoblite>
well I'll have to park this one for today, thanks for all the help!
<OscarL>
Good luck!
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<Vidrep_64>
Hi
<Vidrep_64>
Has anyone had any app_server crashes recently?
<Vidrep_64>
app_server has crashed on me the last two times I''ve used Haiku
<OscarL>
haven't had one of those. no.
<Vidrep_64>
Hey OscarL
<OscarL>
hello there, Vidrep_64. Are you using VESA/framebuffer driver?
<Vidrep_64>
The last crash happened when closing WebPositive
<OscarL>
or another one?
<Vidrep_64>
No, Intel extreme driver
<OscarL>
might try using VESA, to see if its a driver issue?
<OscarL>
*driver-related
<Vidrep_64>
Now that I have a camera handy, it probably won't happen
<Vidrep_64>
There wasn't anything in the syslog
<OscarL>
yeah.... damn Heisenbugs. Those are camera shy :-D
<OscarL>
probably didn't had the chance to write that back to disk.
<Vidrep_64>
Come o think of it, the previous crash also happened while using WebPositive
<Vidrep_64>
It happened after I entered a search and hit enter
<waddlesplash>
Vidrep_64: if this is very latest WebKit then the problem is likely the new font code
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<waddlesplash>
Vidrep_64: can you not type at the prompt to save-report? that is the most useful thing
<Vidrep_64>
OscarL, I saw something in the IRC logs about Gutenprint
<Vidrep_64>
Hi waddlesplash
<Vidrep_64>
It never gets to a prompt. The last items are something about "dwarf" or something like that
<Vidrep_64>
I'll definitely get a photo if it happens again
<waddlesplash>
Vidrep_64: prompt not necessary needed
<waddlesplash>
type anyway
<waddlesplash>
the on screen output is basically useless for debugging
<waddlesplash>
and even if there doesn't seem to be a prompt it may accept your input nonetheless
<Vidrep_64>
So, just type "save-report"?
<OscarL>
RE: gutenprint... got gutenprint 8 and 9 working, with a big assist by Begasus for fixing gt9 on gcc2. Was also able to test an updated gutenprint printer addon.
<waddlesplash>
Vidrep_64: and, is this WebKit latest master?
<Vidrep_64>
Sounds good. I have to run. I just logged in to ask about the app_server crash
<Vidrep_64>
waddlesplash, yes it is
<waddlesplash>
ok so almost certainly new font code
<Vidrep_64>
I'll have more time tomorrow to try and get a crash :)
<Vidrep_64>
Gn
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<OscarL>
Pe->Help->Help... opens an empty Web+ window. No error messages on the command line, and double clicking on "/boot/system/apps/Pe/Documentation/index.html", works as intended.
<OscarL>
(will printf() the url it passes to be_roster to see if the problem is there)
<OscarL>
the url it uses seems fine.
<waddlesplash>
xoblite: why are you pushing new changes?
<waddlesplash>
I'm just going to mark these as abandoned, you should update the old one instead
<waddlesplash>
your new changes also appear to be missing the bulk of your work...
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 4562b1727c5b - mime_db: add a sniffing rule for css
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] d53856a1b6db - Added missing posixoptions and sysconf constants according POSIX.1-2017 standard
<waddlesplash>
xoblite: ... really, again?
<xoblite>
waddlesplash: OK I give up, I don't understand what I'm doing wrong with --fixup and I can't commit in the existing one
<xoblite>
just delete them all
<waddlesplash>
no?
<waddlesplash>
the original one stays, that one should get updated.
<waddlesplash>
--fixup is, as far as I know, completely a cosmetic marker
<waddlesplash>
it's meant to be used with a later "git rebase", it does nothing by itself
<waddlesplash>
you have to actually have the relevant changes
<xoblite>
"Create a new commit which "fixes up" <commit> when applied with git rebase --autosquash. Plain --fixup=<commit> creates a "fixup!" commit which changes the content of <commit> but leaves its log message untouched."
<waddlesplash>
yes
<waddlesplash>
>when applied with git rebase --autosquash
<xoblite>
did that
<waddlesplash>
it does nothing by itself.
<waddlesplash>
how about we start from scratch and I show you how to fix things my way :)
<xoblite>
or I call it a day since it's 3 AM here and I was tired 2 hours ago
<waddlesplash>
that's quite fair
<waddlesplash>
I'll be around tomorrow, ping me then
<xoblite>
nah I need to focus on the holidays now, I'll have to leave it until later, it's really not at all that important but it irritates me that something so simple can be so convoluted...
<xoblite>
:|
<waddlesplash>
it's not that convoluted
<waddlesplash>
you just need to grasp some basic principles of git, and then everything winds up "making sense"
<waddlesplash>
Gerrit makes things more confusing unfortunately. However as far as I can tell your problems are not with Gerrit but with Git so that makes things much easier.
<xoblite>
I think I understand the basics, but not this missing Change-ID spin-off mess really, but reality suggest otherwise of course :)
<waddlesplash>
the Change-ID spin-off is not the root of your problem
<waddlesplash>
you have related commits that aren't combined
<waddlesplash>
that's the issue here. the new changes you just posted now do not actually contain everything from your previous change
<xoblite>
yes and you want me to squash them?
<waddlesplash>
yeah, and your newly uploaded changes did not do that
<waddlesplash>
you were missing a bunch of stuff
<xoblite>
actually, 5958 looks like it should, it just didn't fixup onto the original commit
<waddlesplash>
no, it doesn't contain deletions of PropertyListPlain at least
<waddlesplash>
I also don't see where the view tabs are removed anymore
<waddlesplash>
they don't seem to be actually removed from what I can see?
<xoblite>
ah you're right... I forgot to force add those
<waddlesplash>
force add? huh?
<waddlesplash>
you don't need to "force add" anything for quite some time, "git add" suffices
<xoblite>
ah no sorry, I was thinking of the wrong step; what I did was to copy my edits into the new head but forgot to delete those files, hence they didn't end up in the fixup commit
<waddlesplash>
yes, and you don't ever need to "copy edits
<waddlesplash>
I'll explain tomorrow
<xoblite>
was looking at the diffs only making sure they were correct, didn't pay attention to the deleted files. yes, I had to copy my edited files back in since nuke my prior tree.
<xoblite>
anyway need to go now, thanks anyway
<xoblite>
bye
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<waddlesplash>
ok, time to work on release notes and that sort of thing...
<OscarL>
Wish Pe had a command line option to take 2 files, and open up in "Find Difference..." mode.
<OscarL>
Alternatively... I wish I was smart enough as to add said option :-D
<rennj>
Diffuse written python, and supports Git, CVS, Darcs, Mercurial, RCS, Subversion, SVK and Monotone
<rennj>
nice
<rennj>
sure why not
<rennj>
github how could you
<rennj>
m$
<rennj>
copilot what would RMS do?
<rennj>
m$ going buy netflix ...haha
<rennj>
gaming/movies/software fricking modern disney
<rennj>
bunch of mickey mouse companies
<rennj>
opensauce/freesoftware should have done mass exodus like #freenode...when m$ did purchase, copilot warez their work
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<OscarL>
Calling "WebPositive file://<path_to_Pe_docs>/index.html" from Terminal works OK.
<OscarL>
But what PApp::DisplayInBrowser() does ends ups with an empy Web+ window :-(
<OscarL>
If the preferred browser app is not running, it calls be_roster->Launch(sig, &msg), the message containing ""be:url"" as a field.
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<OscarL>
Maybe Web+ is not responding to B_NETPOSITIVE_OPEN_URL ?
<OscarL>
Mmm, Terminal seems to be the only thing referencing B_NETPOSITIVE_OPEN_URL. and that's on commented out code :-)
<OscarL>
waddlesplash: does that sounds like a Haiku/BeOS incompatibility thing to you? I mean... woud be reasonable to expect Web+ to react to that B_NETPOSITIVE_OPEN_URL message?
<waddlesplash>
idk, sounds like a custom message
<waddlesplash>
be_roster->launch URL is the canonical way of doing this
<OscarL>
This is where it is defined: /boot/system/develop/headers/os/be_apps/NetPositive/NetPositive.h: B_NETPOSITIVE_OPEN_URL = 'NPOP',
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<OscarL>
Will try with that be_roster->launch URL. Thanks.
<waddlesplash>
hmm, in past years extrowerk has given me a fancy screenshot with lots of ported software
<waddlesplash>
but this year it seems he's not around at all. so, who shall provide it? or will I be forced to make up one myself? :)
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<OscarL>
At last!
<OscarL>
I made it work, but... man... I wish I was smarter :-(
<OscarL>
Because *of course* that I needed to change the BMessage to be a B_REFS_RECEIVED one, besides changing the field from "be:url" to "url".
<rennj_>
im trying talk sense into retro computing enthusiast..thats python3 and qt5 on solaris 8 is not going to happen
<rennj_>
haha EOL end of life product
<rennj_>
not enough enthusiast exsist for that
<rennj>
yeah but this is not real channel
<rennj>
its like a mistake channel
<rennj>
people come in here looking for official channel
<rennj_>
stop spamming my chat
<rennj_>
from libera.chat
<rennj_>
i was talking about #haiku on libera.chat not being official
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<rennj_>
what the hell
* OscarL
is scared.
<rennj_>
you guys
<rennj_>
crossed the stream
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<renn>
what did you guys do..join up with libera?
<renn>
bridge
<waddlesplash>
there's a haiku on libera?
<renn>
we have problem right now
<renn>
my libera.haiku account spamming this channel..
<renn>
ahh.. i screwed up
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<rennj>
yeah #haiku on libera get people
<rennj>
but its deadzone
<rennj>
it has notice to go here
<rennj>
* Topic for #haiku is: NOTICE: After 20 years, haiku is moving to irc.oftc.net due to a *major* takeover at freenode. oftc has been around for a long time and is stable | #_oftc_#haiku:matrix.org | #haiku%irc.oftc.net@irc.jabberfr.org
<OscarL>
Holy cow... waddlesplash... you will give me whiplash damage with how fast you react :-D
<waddlesplash>
:)
<rennj>
only channel i have to visit on this network swell
<rennj>
cause libera.chat wasnt good enough?
<rennj>
where most os freenode channels went
<rennj>
i joined oftc twice last connect...heh
<rennj>
rennj and renn
<rennj>
i was like what the hell libera haiku is spamming oftc
<OscarL>
Maybe a WIP attempt by MYOB to link to muTerminal docs?
<waddlesplash>
quite possible
<OscarL>
"Parts Copyright (C) 1998,99 Kazuho Okui and Takashi Murai. " << and Takashi Murai still submits patches now and then! :-D
<OscarL>
The "Parts" sounds kinda weird (as they were the original authors). And a later commit by AxelD even removes that "Parts" from the "Usage()" text message.
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<rennj>
mr. archaeologist
<rennj>
system admin is like fps, and coding is like slow rpg...
<rennj>
turn based combat
<rennj>
digging down into the revisions
<OscarL>
I was there when MuTerminal got its license change... actually... I asked the authors to "donate" it to haiku by switching from GPL to BSD/MIT :-D
<OscarL>
and they were so kind to do so!
<rennj>
thats the gl terminal ?
<rennj>
before i look it up
<OscarL>
MuTerminal was a third party app for BeOS.
<rennj>
ah...
<OscarL>
Haiku had no Terminal yet.
<OscarL>
And from MuTerminal... we got Terminal :-)
<rennj>
java ---terminator
<rennj>
you got java? i can bring my own apps
<rennj>
hehe
<rennj>
write once, run anywhere
<rennj>
w00t!
<rennj>
android stole the code
* OscarL
is a bit alergic to Java code :-D
<OscarL>
(at least in its source code form)
<rennj>
write to vm, the bytecode
<rennj>
vm runs on my credit card
<rennj>
8bit jjava
<OscarL>
Too bad that "entreprise java" style of programming ruined it for many of us :-D
<OscarL>
having it badly taught at Uni certainly didn't help to form even an acquired taste for it, either :-)
<rennj>
taught haha
<OscarL>
sorry, my "English" is crap.
<rennj>
that chuck moore quote is dead on
<rennj>
"Give me a problem with 1,000,000 lines of C. But don’t expect me to read the C, I couldn't. And don't think I'll have to write 10,000 lines of Forth. Just give me the specs of the problem, and documentation of the interface." --Charles "Chuck" H. Moore
<rennj>
give me the specs of the problem and interface to the hardware
<rennj>
as for teaching computer science..discrete math, Boolean algebra, digital signal principals
<rennj>
hardware side vs the software side
<rennj>
compilers, linters, AST...
<rennj>
your english is better than mine
<rennj>
retro computing for the win cause amiga system you can actually learn from hardware to software
<rennj>
x86 has serious baggage
<rennj>
archaeologist
<OscarL>
With Haiku... even an idiot like me can add simple drivers, find and fix some driver errors, do some fixes on command line utils, fix some GUI glitches on preflets, etc, etc.
<OscarL>
Not without waaay too much head-banging against the keyboard due to my poor skills, but... doable :-D
<rennj>
haiku needs more cooks in the kitchen
<rennj>
he who has the most developers wins
<OscarL>
Compared to other systems, it is a pleasure to work with.
<OscarL>
(at least from that point of view)
<OscarL>
Yeah.... more Chefs, and less hacks like me :-D
<waddlesplash>
eh probably should've added some +fixup tag
<waddlesplash>
whatever
<OscarL>
LOL! my poke repo got a second star :-D. Two German guys... figures. :-P
<rennj>
ada/spark vs rust/zig
<rennj>
computing! ACM
<rennj>
interesting topic its all math and signals in the end...we got to get some universal Turing machine.. that every one is on .
<rennj>
like ipfs...
<rennj>
stack exchange on ipfs..failover
<OscarL>
waddlesplash: I appreciate the "if you are able" to alert-donate.html. Some of us are either too poor to donate money, or it gets REALLY difficult to do due to shitty banking system, or both.
<rennj>
phenomII users!
<rennj>
gig economy OscarL
<rennj>
coders for rent
<rennj>
sing up to one of those coding sites..hacker.
<rennj>
guy in l.a. traffice..whips out his phone and start shooting people fictitiously
<rennj>
hehe
<rennj>
gameification of the world
<OscarL>
I did worked for a multinational from 2007-2014 doing QA automation for embedded systems. Later did some stuff for a company in So-Cal in ends of 2015... really good money, but my mental health can't really handle the stress :-(
<OscarL>
Now that I'm "retired"... I'm poor, but much more stable :-D
<rennj>
sanity!
<rennj>
figure out the needs vs wants..what you need to live, what you want
<OscarL>
exactly.
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<rennj>
yeah i did same shit, i made good money but i checked out
<rennj>
80hour/100hour abuse
<rennj>
and im a sucker for punishment
<OscarL>
Now I get by with the equivalent to 70-90 USD/month that I get from a house that I have for rent.
<rennj>
cause i like solving problems
<OscarL>
I used to spend all my waking hours thinking about problems I had at the office. And spending weekends coding stuff I couldn't do at the office for lack of time. I was not able to tune-out.
<rennj>
heh i retired
<rennj>
hehe fintech!
<rennj>
nah im going back to work..
<rennj>
if i tell people how long i checked out they hate me
<rennj>
resent / sour grapes
<rennj>
yeah OscarL i did the same
<rennj>
off hours are really on hours
<rennj>
cause working off the clock
<rennj>
amazon pays $325,000.00 for skill set so ive read
<rennj>
you got DoD sci/ts clearance to work on government projects?
<rennj>
just having security clearance is money
<rennj>
besides the skills
<rennj>
commute and the abuse...
<OscarL>
I was offered better positions here in Argentina, but I would have to move to Buenos Aires (our biggest city).... No thanks :-D
<rennj>
i bought 75acres of land in canada with apple orchard, 2 bucket wells, and 1 stream running across property
<rennj>
my cabin in the woods
<rennj>
to bad canada arrested me at border crossing over encrypted laptop
<rennj>
that dream died on the vine before apple iphone release in 2007
<rennj>
they took my laptop and never returned it
<rennj>
all i did was have encryption
<rennj>
haha
<OscarL>
crap. that was due to the "no export encryption software" thing the USA had, or something?
<rennj>
nah that was earlier
<rennj>
phil zimmeran did the first amendment free speech print the code in book,
<rennj>
weapons grade encryption pgp was not for export..till he did book
<rennj>
his free speech rights trump the ban
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<OscarL>
I remember (more or less) the events, but not the correct timeline :-)
<rennj>
Arms Export Control Act investigation[edit]
<rennj>
i was running sun solaris network back in those days
<rennj>
After the government dropped its case without indictment in early 1996, Zimmermann founded PGP Inc. and released an updated version of PGP and some additional related products. That company was acquired by Network Associates (NAI) in December 1997,
<rennj>
doing nis+/nfs today modern day ldap/AD cifs/smb
<rennj>
i hacked JPL code, and they didnt like it
<rennj>
hehe i left nasty message, when hubble was launched with nearsighted
<rennj>
years later jpl contractors would see the message i left
<rennj>
cause they thought they could doing printing better than sun microsystems
<rennj>
lpr/lpc
<rennj>
printing RMS what would stallman do
<rennj>
books, bicycles and computing is enough...
<rennj>
movies and music is just bonus
<rennj>
cities living is for the birds..imho
<rennj>
bicycle friendly towns/college towns is for me
<rennj>
ill do the commute..once i decide to go back to work
<rennj>
freenode logs...i was florida keys decade ago,,,living it up
<rennj>
no snow in winter
<rennj>
notch/mr.minecraft moving to cali and out bidding on the house. sour grapes/resentment
<rennj>
yeah friends!
<rennj>
so happy for your success
<rennj>
beos compared to minecraft and the revenue generated
<rennj>
course you going to have haters
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<Skipp_OSX>
did you build yourself? if so try pulling in new tags.
<humdinger>
nope. softwareupdater
<Skipp_OSX>
ok then that doesn't make sense
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<humdinger>
paging dr. waddlesplash...
<augiedoggie>
+64 means 64 commits, not necessarily 64 hrevs
<Skipp_OSX>
pkgman --full-sync perhaps. I think the +64 is 64 commits it's just not getting the tags correctly.
<humdinger>
aha!
<humdinger>
difficult to read... I hope I'll reach the "mime_db: add a sniffing rule for cssr1beta4" soon.
<humdinger>
local docs like the BeBook are practically unreadable without.
<PulkoMandy>
The "+64" doesn't work that way. The commits on the branch don't get hrev numbers and are different from the commits on the master branch. So you can't just add 64 to the hrev where beta4 branched off
<humdinger>
Is there an easy ways to find out what commit rev56578+64 is exactly?
<PulkoMandy>
But, sor the sniffing rule to work, it doesn't matter what your local install uses. The mimesetting will be done by haikuports buildbot while creating the userguide package
<PulkoMandy>
If the buildbot wasn't updated (I'm not sure it was), then you can rely on waddlesplash patches on the userguide recipe to manually set the correct mimetypes?
<waddlesplash>
the buildmaster builders weren't updated yet indeed
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<humdinger>
oh, ok. I thought if I had the sniffer rule in the system, web+ would recognize the .css file as CSS.
<humdinger>
I probably didn't pay close enough attention. Why again can WebPositive not just blindly follow the link to the style file?
<PulkoMandy>
It does, but there is some security check on mimetypes (on webkit side, not our code)
<PulkoMandy>
And it would detect the mimetype using the sniffing rule if none was set, but the files in the packages are set to "sourcecode", so webkit trusts that
<humdinger>
I see. I feel saver already... :)
<humdinger>
waddlesplash: Do you plan to export/package the latest userguide/welcome pages before the release?
<waddlesplash>
at this point, no
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<kallisti5[m]>
yeah. final release has already been distributed to mirrors as r1beta4
<humdinger>
will the css work for them then?
<waddlesplash>
it already should?
<kallisti5[m]>
That was commentary for RC0/RC1
<waddlesplash>
that was what the patch was for rc1
<waddlesplash>
the userguide packages have a fix in the recipe to set the mimetype
<waddlesplash>
if you are fully updated, css should work fine
<humdinger>
userguide works, bebook doesn't
<waddlesplash>
bebook didn't get the patch
<waddlesplash>
eh, not really a big deal I think
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<waddlesplash>
at this point we might be able to drop the be book from the default install to be honest
<humdinger>
I'm so used to its structure. Still my first stop on any API question.
<humdinger>
and the only offline source
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<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 61f5f30ce3f8 - preflet/network: Fix window dynamics, scale right pane only
<PulkoMandy>
We can export api.haiku-os.org as a package to replace it. But I'm not sure we're ready for that, still a lot of things not quite documented in the bebook
<PulkoMandy>
Use the /nick command: /nick someCoolName
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<PulkoMandy>
And if you want it set permanently, it's in Server preferences in Vision
<max>
thanks!
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<SarkHaiku>
Wow! I'm really impressed by how well the new Web works. This seems to work with all sorts of things and render sites properly.
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<SarkHaiku>
Heh. Aaand it crashed :) Clicked on the "website" link in the about pane and it died. Reopened the tabs though, and trying the same thing again I just get a dialog that says "Could not show link operation not supported"
* PulkoMandy
gets ready for 100s of new bugreports folnowine the release :>
<badkeming[m]>
PulkoMandy: well, congrats to you and the rest of the team for pushing this over the finish line. =)
<SarkHaiku>
Yeah, definitely! The new beta is running great.
<Sark>
hahahaha... uh, is there a text console or similar akin to hitting control alt F1 on a Linux box? I think I broke the GUI. :)
<Forza>
There's ssh
<Sark>
Is that enabled by default? I'll go scan the network quick with nmap to find it.
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<lelldorin>
greetings from beta 4 64bit
<lelldorin>
first time running this installtion, network does not run, but after restart it runs
<PulkoMandy>
Ssh is enabled but the user doesn't have a key or password so it will be useless. And no, no textmode console, so all you can get is the kernel debugger
<Sark>
Yeah, I did find it on the network but I couldn't log in. Will just have to power cycle it.
<lelldorin>
on 64 bit the network disconnect and reconnect many times :-(
<Sark>
I installed LTris from the repository, and accidentally hit the F key while trying to figure out what keys did what, which fullscreened it. Exiting fullscreen or quitting the game dumped me to a glichy, kind of trippy mess of junk on the scren, scrolling RGB static on th eleft and a flickering blue line at the top. Kind of neat, actually.
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<andreasdr[m]>
Arrrr. Congrats for BETA4
<andreasdr[m]>
Time to get my Haiku machine finished.
<Sark>
OK, yep, does it every time.
<Sark>
Better uninstall that one.
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<Sark>
What's worse is that the game remembers you last had it running fullscreen, so automatically launches that way :P
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<PulkoMandy>
Our SDL port has trouble restoring the correct videomode on exit
<Sark>
Ah. That explains it. Surprising effect though! I changed the config file to turn off the fullscreen so now the game launches like normal, just have to remember not to hit F. hehe
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