<xoblite>
Switching from read-only to write access
<xoblite>
Want to submit your first patch? Thanks, that’s great! You don’t need to checkout the sources again. Instead you can update your existing copy of the source to use the commiter access. Just change the remote URL:
<PulkoMandy>
For the patch about middle click, if you want to do something with it, probably the best thing to do is first decide what to do with it. Maybe start a forum thread or mailing list discussion or bugtracker ticket about it. Personally I don't see anything useful to do with middle click for now
<PulkoMandy>
Anyway, time to go to sleep for me :) I leave you in the hands of other people here who are in different timezones :)
<xoblite>
sure, I can do that, as I wrote in the commit it was intended as a first commit to solicit input from other developers that may have more Haiku umbrella view than I do
<OscarL>
Maybe bring up the Tracker->Addons menu up on middle-button up? other than that... can't really think of anything.
<xoblite>
I was primarily thinking an apps menu (user/system) for quicker access
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<OscarL>
Albeit I should revert back to my old ways of actually remembering and using more shortcuts and less mouse :-) My right wrist would benefit :-)
<xoblite>
:)
<OscarL>
Not a fan of that type of thing from my time on linux. QuickLaunch beats those menues all day.
<xoblite>
oh btw - thank you all core devs for keeping my only old days claim to minor BeOS fame alive
<jessicah>
yeah, it's a direct buffer to copy into
<jessicah>
I still use the legacy docs most of the time, they're pretty decent :)
<xoblite>
ok straight into the framebuffer more or less? that would explain a lot :)
<OscarL>
I like the old Be Book better.
<xoblite>
yeah I've noticed it's often useful to look at both Haiku and Be docs
<xoblite>
jessicah: So it's typically meant for non-moving windows e.g. fullscreen and the like?
<jessicah>
it can be used windowed
<xoblite>
or is there comms between buffer control and BDirectWindow and View?
<OscarL>
(specially after unzipping DocsBookmarks.zip, and using Pe's BeBookFetch plugin to search for documentation of the selected text :-D)
<jessicah>
I'd suggest reading the docs if you're more interested :)
<xoblite>
ah never mind, just realized I really need to hit the sack soon :|
<xoblite>
yes!
<xoblite>
bbt
<jessicah>
the Chart app is probably also a useful code reference
<jessicah>
cu :)
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<OscarL>
(too bad the "BeBookFetch" Pe plugin doesn't works anymore due to the BeBook restyling, and lack of said "DocBookmarks" ... I should poke its original author.... oh wait... that was me :-( )
<andreasdr[m]>
Arrrrr
<andreasdr[m]>
OscarL to the rescue
<OscarL>
more like crying SOS :-D
<jessicah>
;-)
<andreasdr[m]>
:D
<OscarL>
I actually went backwards regarding my programming skils (and wasn't any good to begin with :-P)
<jessicah>
4 screens really does make finding the cursor such a PITA
<jessicah>
I remember where's my mouse from eons ago
<andreasdr[m]>
I am on windows tooo, need to do some money work :/
<andreasdr[m]>
Arrr.
<andreasdr[m]>
Still waiting for X512 nice AMD RX driver and BETA4. Arrrr.
<OscarL>
There's "Find my Mouse" for Win, IIRC.
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<OscarL>
Part of the PowerToys, I think.
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<OscarL>
And even from the Control Panel--->Mouse Properties. on the "Pointer options" tab...
<OscarL>
"show location of the mouse pointer when holding CTRL" (rough translation from Spanish)
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<jessicah>
yeah, but that's a bit too often, since ctrl is used a lot :p
<OscarL>
it reacts on CTRL key UP (and not when used together with other key)
<OscarL>
But I'm a sloppy typist, and end up seeing that one too often too :-D
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<jessicah>
it works on key held down here
<jessicah>
anyway, lots of waving around the mouse works enough :p haha
<OscarL>
Weird. I'm on Win10 LTSC 21H2 and only apper on key up.
<OscarL>
Yeah... the mouse waving is what I do too when needed, lol
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<rennj>
looking at haiku docs and bebook is no different that docs.sun.com and openindiana..money buys good documentation for sure.
<rennj>
most of the new opensolaris/openindiana users will never check the oracle.com solaris docs and never know the wealth
<rennj>
hp and sun had great documentation, even better than freebsd handbook
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<Sark>
So, I tried to do something a bit weird and attempted to install Haiku on a hacked Chromebook. I did not expect it to fully work or anything, but I was surprised at what worked and what didn't. Wifi and blutooth work. Keyboard and trackpad don't. Video works. Storage doesn't (EMMC type).
<Sark>
I can get why some of the stuff didn't work, but the keyboard and trackpad surprise me. The trackpad is a fairly boring Elan type, and the keyboard... well, it's a keyboard. Possibly some function of the UEFI BIOS that's loaded on there now? This is an Acer 738T, based around some fairly boring and generic Intel chipsets from six or seven years ago.
<Sark>
I'm not even sure if this is troubleshoot-able or not. It's stupid hardware that's not really supposed to be supported by anything, but at it's core it's pretty generic I thought.
<waddlesplash>
Sark: how is the keyboard and trackpad connected?
<waddlesplash>
check the syslog. if it's PS/2 there's probably some error. if it's I2C well that's easily explained, the I2C HID driver isn't actually included by default yet
<waddlesplash>
we support some kinds of MMC storage but maybe not emmc, not sure
<Sark>
I think it's I2C, I checked Devices.
<Sark>
It sees the Elan stuff in ACPI but not connected to any bus, and IIRC something said I2C. I shut it off, but I can power it back up
<Sark>
Problem is I only have the two USB ports, so I can use a keyboard or a mouse but not both since I'm booted from the other.
<waddlesplash>
well, there's tickets about the I2C driver, I think it has some strange issues last someone tested it which is why it wasn't included on builds yet
<waddlesplash>
but there were HID fixes since then
<Sark>
I tried Beta 3 and the latest nightly, but if it's not included in the builds that would explain it
<Sark>
The Elan stuff is under the ACPI tab in Devices. I know the trackpad is an Elan.
<Sark>
The keyboard plugs into the motherboard as an unencoded matrix so there's a controller on there somewhere, again, I'd suspec i2c.
<Sark>
The MMC controller is detected but it doesn't mention the storage itself
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<Sark>
It would be really great if it would be possible to get the keyboard and trackpad working. Even without the eMMC storage working, I could rig up an internal flash drive soldered in to the internal USB at the wifi card connector or something.
<Sark>
The wifi works, and the thing flies just playing with the menus and the demos on the live media.
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<Begasus>
g'morning peeps
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<andreasdr>
Hi
<andreasdr>
Quaternion crashes on BETA4 RC
<andreasdr>
Arrrr
<andreasdr>
But I have a installation now to test a bit.
<andreasdr>
Wow. Finally a usable browser.
<andreasdr>
<3 <3 <3
<Begasus>
Moin andreasdr
<andreasdr>
Moin Begasus
<Begasus>
Running 64bit andreasdr ? (maybe add an issue for it at haikuports)
<andreasdr>
64 bit yes.
<andreasdr>
Damn. Audacity is not yet available for test.
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<netpositive>
morning
<andreasdr>
Good morning netpositive
<Begasus>
morning netpositive
<andreasdr>
BETA4 looks goood.
<Begasus>
yep, that one is still disabled
<Begasus>
nice andreasdr !
<andreasdr>
Is this keymap issue with Web already fixed?
<andreasdr>
Neeed to copy a @ from somewhere in Web to paste it into my accounts :DDD
<andreasdr>
But this looks super usuable.
<andreasdr>
Big love.
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<Begasus>
Just noticed, the names in the Tracker window for /boot/system/packages is not translated (Name/Size/Modified) :)
<andreasdr>
This new audio recording software is also not yet available, right?
<Begasus>
which one?
<andreasdr>
I forgot the name, was a QT one I guess and it was adverticed in forum and in twitter.
<andreasdr>
It looked like a complete audio suite, which would be perfect for me.
<andreasdr>
let me check the Haiku forum
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<andreasdr>
Damn. What was the name. Cant find it.
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<Begasus>
:-)
<andreasdr>
Ill find out
<andreasdr>
Maybe Ill install haikuporter and try audacity on my own arrr
<andreasdr>
Why can I not install openal_source but search results in a found
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<andreasdr>
Oh
<andreasdr>
Installing _devel works
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<Begasus>
I clone haikuporter here, that way my haikuporter is always uptodate
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<andreasdr>
I see
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<andreasdr[m]>
Unfortunatly I had 2 crashes with the BETA 4 RC1
<andreasdr[m]>
Seems to be memory related?
<andreasdr[m]>
ProcessController showed RED Memory/Swap Meter.
<andreasdr[m]>
Needed to compile my engine with -j4
<Begasus>
running native (so far things are fine here) :)
<andreasdr[m]>
Hmm.
<andreasdr[m]>
Ok.
<andreasdr[m]>
Maybe its my laptop
<Begasus>
Other laptop can't handle larger projects also
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<Begasus>
That would be the other-other laptop :)
<andreasdr[m]>
Ok. On my Haiku Machine thats still not ready I have 32GB of RAM.
<andreasdr[m]>
So this will work better.
<andreasdr[m]>
I tried to build Audacity with Haikuporter and had a crash and I tried to build our tdme2 engine and had a crash. Both memory related I guess.
<andreasdr[m]>
Which is a bit strange, because my Laptop has 16GB RAM
<Begasus>
Only got 6GB here :)
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<Begasus>
just noticed: devel:sdl_ttf$secondaryArchSuffix = 2.0.11 compat >= 1.2 (and also in the other sdl libraries), shouldn't be in there
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<matt3>
hi rennj
<matt3>
rennj : do you like Commodore Amiga ? :)
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<Begasus>
bbl
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<BrunoSpr>
hi all
<BrunoSpr>
I tried to install Openshoot 3.0 but I got problems with netcdf.4.7.3 like that http://0x0.st/o5mQ.png what library is it?
<Begasus>
Working here BrunoSpr , did you update recently? (think libopenshot has been updated not that long ago)
<Begasus>
bbl
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<BrunoSpr>
Begasus I use the nightly on 64bit 56656
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<BrunoSpr>
what is Netcdf 4.7 and do I need it?
<BrunoSpr>
netcdf is a dependencee of which program?
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<BrunoSpr>
ah ok by installing OpenShoot netcdf will be deinstalled and netcdf 4.8 will be installed! That makes sense!
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<rennj>
NetCDF (Network Common Data Form) is a set of software libraries and machine-independent data formats that support the creation, access, and sharing of array-oriented scientific data. It is also a community standard for sharing scientific data.
<rennj>
JAR consists of a zip archive, as defined by PKWARE, containing a manifest file and potentially signature files, as defined in the JAR File Specification.
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<rennj>
javaw -jar / java -jar
<nephele>
Join after some time and the first thing I see is Java :D
<rennj>
<BrunoSpr> Where are this files are from: http://0x0.st/o5aJ.png and can I delete them?
<rennj>
i just thought it was funny cookie.jar
<rennj>
j2me phones
<rennj>
besides tar/zip working on jar files
<nephele>
Does someone know if there is a description of the binary format of the catkeys catalogs? I would like to use it in my video game
<xoblite>
Hey nephele, saw your replies but haven't had time to reply myself yet :|
<Begasus>
humdinger? ;)
<nephele>
xoblite: I see you are on IRC! If you have time to idly chat surely you have time to reply! /s
<xoblite>
...it's on in the background only :P
<nephele>
I also don't have that much time, it's all good. That's why it's a non-realtime chat anyway ;)
<xoblite>
plus I got distracted by the GLTeapot reworking :)
<nephele>
Not sure what your plan is there, GLTeapot is just a demo of teapots, cus that was exciting 20 years ago that computers can do that :D
<xoblite>
as I mentioned in my R1b4RC0 post on the forums, most (all?) of the demos border on 20 years old and I wanted to see if the most prominent of them could be updated to better suit 202x
<xoblite>
I never quite understood the old multi-overlayed teapots either, so started with that
<xoblite>
(well, before that adding frame rate adaptive FPS averaging)
<nephele>
Well, most "young" users don't even remember why the teapot is a thing, so i'm not sure that helps much. It would be nice to have a demo of a 3d scene that you can "move" a bit around in for example :3
<xoblite>
added new teapot colours
<nephele>
What does the frame rate adaptive part mean?
<nephele>
I'm just working on haikuwebkit currently... i want to get my patch in if there is still time
<nephele>
(to make the damn buttons render correctly)
<xoblite>
have you tried GLTeapot on bare metal recently? on my system it's like 580-600 FPS, and the FPS display used to flicker so fast that you couldn't really read it anymore
<nephele>
Yes well, that is a teapot rendered with software opengl. Teapots aren't that impressive to render with current hardware anymore :3
<xoblite>
so what I did was to add averaging to the FPS display, adapting automatically to the frame rate to get the last second average
<Begasus>
with the compiler running in the background I get about 25FPS on bare metal atm :)
<nephele>
but realistically it should be 60FPS, anything higher than that is just wasted effort
<nephele>
xoblite: that sounds like an averaged FPS, but i'm not sure what you mean with frame rate adapative :g
<xoblite>
yeah, I wonder if it'd be possible to at least update the teapot model to higher res or something? (I know there are some parameters in there but haven't tried digging into what they do)
<rennj>
source updated for mesa
<nephele>
Why? teapots are outdated pretty much
<rennj>
bench mark the vesa vs
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<nephele>
you can increase the resolution but the cool part about teapots was that they werent squares and that computers can actually render complex shapes :)
<rennj>
like running glxgears see if you compiled x-server with right extensions
<rennj>
This program demonstrates the use of the OpenGL lighting
<rennj>
* model. A sphere is drawn using a grey material characteristic.
<rennj>
*/
<rennj>
* A single light source illuminates the object.
<xoblite>
frame rate adaptive means the averaging window is adjusted based on the frame rate, which can vary a lot depending on the system, bare metal or VM, number of teapots, etc, so a fixed size averaging window was non-ideal here
<rennj>
was what was cool about it
<nephele>
Ah, that does make sense
<rennj>
and the teapot comes from the fictional teapot floating around the sun
<rennj>
russells teapot
<rennj>
like daemon from maxwell
<xoblite>
last but not least, I consider the teapots kinda nostalgic to Haiku/BeOS, kind of like the Amiga boing-ball, but maybe that just me :)
<nephele>
xoblite: I did mean the resolution of the object yes, like... smaller surfaces to more acurately model a teapot. But i don't see the point, it already looks like a Teapot
<xoblite>
rennj: that wikipedia linked just crashed latest WebPositive... :)
<nephele>
wait, really? the second one?
<xoblite>
yup
<xoblite>
worked fine now...
<xoblite>
odd
<nephele>
Uhh, i have an older haikuwebkit... and am compiling the new one, do you have a debug report?
<xoblite>
ehh... how?
<xoblite>
(I just clicked past it sorry)
<nephele>
well, if it crashes select save report :)
<xoblite>
ok lesson learned ;)
<xoblite>
rennj: so "our" GLTeapot has an ancestor in that SGI demo?
<rennj>
i have no clue on that.
<xoblite>
nephele: Young you say? No one that young could be using Haiku ;)
<nephele>
Why? :D
<xoblite>
but you're at the uni I hear, so... 20-25?
<nephele>
Well, no not uni. It's similar though. But hard to explain if you don't know the german educational system :)
<nephele>
but yes, that age group
<xoblite>
rennj: impressive knowledge of history there, kudos
<rennj>
Martin Newell at the University of Utah used a teapot as a reference model in 1975 to create a dataset of mathematical coordinates. From that he generated a 3D “wire frame” defining the teapot’s shape, adding a surface “skin.”
<xoblite>
heh how do you happen to know all this?
* xoblite
is impressed
<rennj>
cause im old
<rennj>
and ive read that page before
<rennj>
see at bottom
<rennj>
The Lab’s research brought advances in art, computer animation, and graphical user interfaces. Faculty and alumni founded influential firms such as Silicon Graphics, Evans & Sutherland, Adobe, and Pixar.
<nephele>
Maybe with even more processors core the webkit build takes even less time
<nephele>
I kind of wish webkit could use c++20 modules... It would likely cut down on the build time quite a bit
<xoblite>
nephele: did you remember to jam -j it? :)
<nephele>
Haikuwebkit uses cmake with ninja as a build system, ninja does this automatically :)
<xoblite>
I forget all the time, being on several different systems with different core counts...
<nephele>
and fortunately, the processcontroler always shows me that my cpu is busy so that mistake can be caught visuaully :D
<nephele>
webkit just is a big project that takes a bit to build initially
<nephele>
and my checkout was quite a bit out of date now
<xoblite>
"Bitwig and u-he are excited to announce CLAP (CLever Audio Plug-in API), the new open standard for audio plug-ins and hosts. CLAP offers modern features, innate stability, and rapid support for plug-in and host developers. And since it's open source and liberally licensed, CLAP is a safe bet for the future."
<xoblite>
hmm brb
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<nephele>
>The KISS (keep it simple, silly) mantra belongs to CLAP
<nephele>
Oh no, they robbed the BSDs!
<Begasus>
k, last one for today :)
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bbl
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<Begasus>
heading down, g'night peeps
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<mmu_man>
gee, we didn't even propose a talk at FOSDEM
<mmu_man>
anyone interested in giving one in the distro devroom?
<mmu_man>
deadline is tonight
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<Halamix2>
Quick question: my name on dev.haiku-os.org etc in "halamix2", but on Gerrit it's "Halamix2". Will this cause problems, and/or can it be fixed to use lowercase letters?
<PulkoMandy>
No real problems, can probably be fixed but I'm notesure how easy that would be
<Halamix2>
I'm asking since `scp -v -p Halamix2@git.haiku-os.org:hooks/commit-msg "buildtools/.git/hooks/"` is failing (debug1: pledge: filesystem full)
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<Halamix2>
Sorry, it fails on "subsystem request failed on channel 0"
<OscarL>
I use different nicks for dev and gerrit with no issue. The problem must be elsewhere.