<Forza>
zdykstra: rsync is pretty efficient, and I would only have to run it every few hours at most.
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<kallisti5[m]>
i mean, we offer rsync too
<kallisti5[m]>
that's the primary distribution mechanism to all the mirrors
<kallisti5[m]>
we just only offer rsync to mirrors, not everyone.
<kallisti5[m]>
actually, we could someday offer automatic geographic mirror selection
<kallisti5[m]>
that's been my plan for a while.. however haikuports isn't in object storage like everything else
<kallisti5[m]>
aka, you hit https://hpkg.haiku-os.org and it automatically redirects you to the closest mirror. That's kinda counter to the "debian the user picks the mirror based on latency"
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<rennj>
12MB/s pipe and im disconnecting from oftc.net more than i was with my 1.2MB/s ...traceroute
<rennj>
11diff drive from las vegas to sacramento, ca
<rennj>
11hour diff
<rennj>
i had 1.2MB/s in vegas haha..lame
<rennj>
but the latency to oftc.net was enough that i didnt suffer peer disconnects
<rennj>
now i got big fat pipe, but the route sucks.
<rennj>
CDN spread the wealth
<rennj>
round robin dns, mirrors near the users..yeah..shit helps load balance..
<rennj>
archive.org abuse other people resource...
<rennj>
its free
<rennj>
amazon,m$,google,oracle..yeah i would try for freebe hosting
<rennj>
torrents of course
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<rennj>
a torus ring is switch less
<rennj>
building local/motherboard easy, build torus ring across the world..not so easy
<rennj>
wires and nodes minus the switches bonus...not sure of the BGP/routing foo...
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<win8linux[m]>
<kallisti5[m]> "aka, you hit https://hpkg.haiku..." <- Oh no, the closest mirror isn't always the fastest.
<win8linux[m]>
In my case, it never is.
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<LinuxUser>
Hello everybody! I've problem with booting haiku beta 4 on vm when it boots it just says: bios_ia32 stage1 Failed to load os. Press any key to reboot.
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<Begasus>
g'morning peeps
<LinuxUser>
Hi begasus!
<Begasus>
Hi LinuxUser
<LinuxUser>
I'm trying to load beta 4 :) third attempt
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<netpositive>
hmm, BootManager says thay my drive has 'Incompatible format!'
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<PulkoMandy>
BootManager does not support GPT partitionning, you will have to use some other software
<PulkoMandy>
For example refind for EFI booting or Smart Boot Manager for BIOS
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<Begas_64>
grabbing superlu-5.2.1-3-x86_64.hpkg and moving it to /boot/home/haikuports/packages/superlu-5.2.1-3-x86_64.hpkg
<Begas_64>
grabbing superlu_devel-5.2.1-3-x86_64.hpkg and moving it to /boot/home/haikuports/packages/superlu_devel-5.2.1-3-x86_64.hpkg
<Begasus>
now with shared library instead of static one :)
<Begasus>
some packages are now build with the static one (no shared available before), so they need a rebuild, probably could update superlu to the latest version for that too
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<Forza>
What's the most common use case for you with using Haiku?
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<chocabloc>
well i installed haiku just yesterday. i intended to use it to browse the web and work on my programming projects, but web+ flickers a lot and qt creator is broken on beta4 :(
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<chocabloc>
hey maybe i should work on the webkit port in 2023
<Begasus>
yeah Forza that's what I meant by not a browser issue :)
<Forza>
Begasus aha
<Begasus>
Checked here with FF, same thing
<Forza>
chocabloc: it would be great if we got web positive working fully
<chocabloc>
hmm, i'll familiarise myself with haiku by using it as my daily driver for some time
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<chocabloc>
also where should i file a bug for qt creator
<chocabloc>
it is broken in many ways
<Begasus>
haikuports
<chocabloc>
thanks 👍
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<PulkoMandy>
I forgot to add some files when creating the gsoc 2023 page. They are I think on my work PC, remind me next week to check there and fix that
<PulkoMandy>
Until then, you can already read the ideas for 2022, they will probably be similar, and start researching if one of them seems more interesting to you. Or just use Haiku for a while, I'm sure you will find something that really needs to be fixed :)
<kallisti5[m]>
<win8linux[m]> "Oh no, the closest mirror isn'..." <- that's 100% fair, and yeah.. 100% realize it. However, how often do people actually tune their mirrors and choose the fastest testing each one?
<kallisti5[m]>
I know some folks do (and I have before), but I get the feeling a lot of folks generally just pick one "close maybe" and roll with it
<Begasus>
k, one down checked (postgresql 9.6.10)
<Forza>
kallisti5[m]: I made a pull request to update the IPv4 for my rsync/mirror :)
<Begasus>
cocobean, did you do a build for dooble on 32bit? (strange that it errors out on buildmaster because nothing has changed in that regard that I know of)
<cocobean>
Begasus: QtWebEngine not avail on x86. Depends on it.
<Begasus>
previous version had it also? (at least I didn't see a change between both versions, or I missed that previous version didn't build also)
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<Begasus>
postgresql 11.1 fine too :)
<cocobean>
Begasus: As for BIND 9.16.36, mainly build tested on x64.
<Begasus>
PulkoMandy, saw your (wip) PR for icu, will icu66 still be available? (atm postgresql depends on it here it seems)
<Begasus>
cocobean, will do a test build for it tomorrow
<PulkoMandy>
I deleted it in the pr but I think it can be restored if needed
<Begasus>
probably will do/start a build for mlpack later to depend on a newer boost version (atm it needs boost164 that's broken also)
<Begasus>
that or a revbump with the new dependency could be checked PulkoMandy
<Begasus>
got 2 weeks off, so got some time on my hands (if dogs permits) :)
<Begasus>
cocobean, could you check on your part (pkgman install mlpack) on 64bit, it should error out for dependency
<waddlesplash>
PulkoMandy: we need to make two versions available for a time
<win8linux[m]>
<kallisti5[m]> "that's 100% fair, and yeah.. 100..." <- If the close mirrors are slow, then it happens more often than you'd think.
<waddlesplash>
otherwise we will break existing installs and cause packages to be uninstallable
<waddlesplash>
perhaps let's jump more than a few versions at once while we're at it
<win8linux[m]>
Ideally though, the system should pick the fastest mirror for the user.
<cocobean>
Begasus: mlpack 3.4.2-1 (HP)
<cocobean>
(no error)
<Begasus>
installed with pkgman?
<cocobean>
Y
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<Begasus>
Y=yes?
<cocobean>
hrev56673 x64.
<cocobean>
Yes
<Begasus>
the VBox I'm running 64bit in is running uptodate nightly (not online now)
<Begasus>
strange
<cocobean>
pkgman full-synced ?
<Begasus>
at least it doesn't have an error on the superlu update than :)
<Begasus>
yep, on latest hrev nightly
<Begasus>
running "pkgman update" in between when packages are build on buildmaster to check on the static libraries
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<Begasus>
eigen also uses superlu, but has no problem with the change to shared from static libraries (at least the package doesn't)
<PulkoMandy>
waddlesplash: WebKit build is broken with ICU 68 and later, possibly an easy fix but I'm not sure
<PulkoMandy>
Also the main goal for now (for me) is to set proper version constraints in Haiku package definitions, which currently tries to use any available icu version, but this can't work because they are all ABI incompatible
<PulkoMandy>
Once that's fixed we can do updates the normal way with keeping multiple versions available without risks of the haiku package trying to use the wrong one
<humdinger>
Evening.
<Begasus>
Evening humdinger :)
<humdinger>
waddlesplash: did you answer Andrea's offer for Italian press contact?
<humdinger>
hey Begasus. had a merry xmas?
<Begasus>
yep :)
<Begasus>
busy on 3 laptops :P
<humdinger>
Next year ask for another set of hands for xmas...
<Begasus>
you?
<humdinger>
Grand!
<Begasus>
Nice! :)
<Begasus>
some foundraising to I could buy a state of the art laptop to speed up builds :P
<Begasus>
to/so*
<humdinger>
or a big workstation. more bang for the buck.
<netpositive>
and bigger electricity bill ;)
<Begasus>
more electric pays :à
<Begasus>
:)
<humdinger>
depends. faster compiles may offset some of it.
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<Begasus>
probably not here, if I have time the machines need to work :P
<Begasus>
if things are OK with postgresql versions I'll boost up a build for mlpack this evening (hoping it will be done in the morning without errors) ;)
<Begasus>
extrowork knows how to pick them :P
<humdinger>
Mr. Monsterport
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<waddlesplash>
PulkoMandy: no, it shouldn't do that due to update package versions script
<Begasus>
so far most of the recipes for the static libraries (installed here) are easy and don't take to much time, the side effects are another thing ;)
<waddlesplash>
PulkoMandy: check the actually used package info after post processing. it should have version constraints added
<waddlesplash>
PulkoMandy: if it does not this is a bug in either the update versions script in the haiku build process or the package itself for declaring incorrect version constraints
<PulkoMandy>
Oh, ok, should be fine then
<PulkoMandy>
Yes, the haiku package has a versionned dependency; I didn't know that was done automatically
<waddlesplash>
we shouldn't add version constraints to the package infos themselves
<waddlesplash>
ah
<waddlesplash>
maybe we should add a comment somewhere about that, idk
<waddlesplash>
it is indeed easy to miss
<humdinger>
Begasus: you should change your nick to "Disable static Begasus". I've seen a few hundred of those subject lines over the last days... :)
<Begasus>
hehe
<Begasus>
anyone can do it humdinger :)
<PulkoMandy>
Ok, that simplifies a few things. But then I'm surprised about previous comments that updating icu made the system unbootable. Icu67 seems working perfectly fine here
<waddlesplash>
it was on riscv and arm I think
<waddlesplash>
not sure if anyone got to the root of that
<waddlesplash>
I think riscv already doesn't use version 67
<humdinger>
Begasus: sure, but you're after the golden github medal of most commits in a year. You shall have it.
<Begasus>
lol
<PulkoMandy>
Risc-V and ARM already use icu 67
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<Begasus>
was glad to see the 1k commit though ;)
<PulkoMandy>
At least that's what enabled at haikuports
<waddlesplash>
that's not used yet
<waddlesplash>
check .cross and also the actual package repo's in the tree
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<Begasus>
hi jmairboeck :)
<jmairboeck>
hi Begasus
<Begasus>
still no reall sollution wether or not to enable texlive packages :/
<jmairboeck>
I think we should keep them disabled, at least as long multiple architectures are not de-duplicated
<jmairboeck>
What about OpenCascade? can this be merged, you think?
<Begasus>
if we could find some place to host them at least we could give users an option aside from haikuports
<Begasus>
it's still marked as wip?
<Begasus>
Some issue remain on EGL?
<jmairboeck>
Applications trying to visualize something crash because we have no working OpenGL implementation, but it is much better than what we had before
<jmairboeck>
I have disabled using OpenGL completely
<Begasus>
if you say it's OK (last check I did was OK on 32bit) I can merge
<Begasus>
waddlesplash, any idea there?
<jmairboeck>
I think x512[m]'s EGL implementation in Mesa is not yet merged, IIRC