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<zdykstra> So would rsync
<Forza> Rsync would what?
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<Forza> zdykstra: rsync is pretty efficient, and I would only have to run it every few hours at most.
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<kallisti5[m]> i mean, we offer rsync too
<kallisti5[m]> that's the primary distribution mechanism to all the mirrors
<kallisti5[m]> we just only offer rsync to mirrors, not everyone.
<kallisti5[m]> actually, we could someday offer automatic geographic mirror selection
<kallisti5[m]> that's been my plan for a while.. however haikuports isn't in object storage like everything else
<kallisti5[m]> aka, you hit https://hpkg.haiku-os.org and it automatically redirects you to the closest mirror. That's kinda counter to the "debian the user picks the mirror based on latency"
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<rennj> 12MB/s pipe and im disconnecting from oftc.net more than i was with my 1.2MB/s ...traceroute
<rennj> 11diff drive from las vegas to sacramento, ca
<rennj> 11hour diff
<rennj> i had 1.2MB/s in vegas haha..lame
<rennj> but the latency to oftc.net was enough that i didnt suffer peer disconnects
<rennj> now i got big fat pipe, but the route sucks.
<rennj> CDN spread the wealth
<rennj> round robin dns, mirrors near the users..yeah..shit helps load balance..
<rennj> archive.org abuse other people resource...
<rennj> its free
<rennj> amazon,m$,google,oracle..yeah i would try for freebe hosting
<rennj> torrents of course
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<rennj> a torus ring is switch less
<rennj> building local/motherboard easy, build torus ring across the world..not so easy
<rennj> wires and nodes minus the switches bonus...not sure of the BGP/routing foo...
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<win8linux[m]> <kallisti5[m]> "aka, you hit https://hpkg.haiku..." <- Oh no, the closest mirror isn't always the fastest.
<win8linux[m]> In my case, it never is.
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<LinuxUser> Hello everybody! I've problem with booting haiku beta 4 on vm when it boots it just says: bios_ia32 stage1 Failed to load os. Press any key to reboot.
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
<LinuxUser> Hi begasus!
<Begasus> Hi LinuxUser
<LinuxUser> I'm trying to load beta 4 :) third attempt
<netpositive> morning
<Begasus> morning netpositive
<LinuxUser> Works!!
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<netpositive> excellent! 8)
<LinuxUser> @netpositive what you meant?
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/d8f4dec0753e...d250042631c7
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] lordmulder d250042 - SlunkCrypt: Updated to release 1.3.0 (2022-12-12) (#7591)
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/d250042631c7...ae8b95c568de
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] kenmays ae8b95c - dooble: bump version (#7659)
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<netpositive> i'm glad it worked
<Begasus> let's see if the new pr for qemu build on 32bit :)
<Begasus> Probably will take some time, so booting up the other laptop for other things in a bit (first the dogs)
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±3] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/ae8b95c568de...978944a696fc
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 978944a - guile, remove static libraries, switch SOURCE_URI, fix build (#7624)
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/978944a696fc...816a60376326
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 816a603 - speex, disable static library (#7662)
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<netpositive> hmm, BootManager says thay my drive has 'Incompatible format!'
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<PulkoMandy> BootManager does not support GPT partitionning, you will have to use some other software
<PulkoMandy> For example refind for EFI booting or Smart Boot Manager for BIOS
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<Begas_64> grabbing superlu-5.2.1-3-x86_64.hpkg and moving it to /boot/home/haikuports/packages/superlu-5.2.1-3-x86_64.hpkg
<Begas_64> grabbing superlu_devel-5.2.1-3-x86_64.hpkg and moving it to /boot/home/haikuports/packages/superlu_devel-5.2.1-3-x86_64.hpkg
<Begasus> now with shared library instead of static one :)
<Begasus> some packages are now build with the static one (no shared available before), so they need a rebuild, probably could update superlu to the latest version for that too
<Begasus> mmu_man, around?
<netpositive> PulkoMandy: thanks!
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/816a60376326...18360191ebf5
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 1836019 - libtheora, disable static library (#7663)
<Begasus> nice, all tests passed on new superlu :)
<Forza> Hi. Did ipv6 get removed from rsync.haiku-os.org
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<matt3> is there stippi ?
<Begasus> haven't seen him in a while
<matt3> ah, name day of stippi
<matt3> Today is Saint Stephen
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<Begasus> buildmaster 64bit down ...
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<netpositive> heh
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/18360191ebf5...f701a2470459
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus f701a24 - superlu,bump version (#7664)
<netpositive> haiku is _slow_ on my ThinkPad R500 (C2D T9600 2.53GHz, Intel gfx, 4GB RAM, 250GB SSD) ;(
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<Forza> netpositive: define slow?
<Forza> It's been really fast on everything I've tried it on
<netpositive> copy with sftp is slow - 20-25MB/s on GbE
<netpositive> it can't play a HD video without lagging
<netpositive> not full screen, just in native resolution
<netpositive> with native mediaplayer
<Forza> Odd
<netpositive> FHD is no-go
<Forza> I played yt with gnome Web browser
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<netpositive> my goal is to run haiku using native apps, with as little ported stuff as possible
<Begasus> nice goal netpositive
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<netpositive> Begasus: thanks 8)
<netpositive> BeOS style 8p
<Begasus> Most of the things I use myself are native also, but already started porting in the old days ;)
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to icu67 [+0/-1/±4] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/commit/0dec04e947e8
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy 0dec04e - icu: enable icu67 for all non-gcc2 architectures
<botifico> [haikuports] pulkomandy created branch icu67 - https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports
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<chocabloc> hi, has paladin been abandoned?
<Begasus> iirc no sight of Adam for a while, checked the forum?
<chocabloc> last post by adamfowler was in 2021, so yep, no activity for a while
<chocabloc> i did find a way to fix my problem though, by modifying the source
<chocabloc> still sad that the only decent haiku ide is apparently unmaintained
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<netpositive> he's active on github
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 81f94bfd9e9d - mediaconverter: fix memory leak
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [hrev56674] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=81f94bfd9e9d+%5Ec9e5ef879612
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [hrev56675] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=90e87426ac57+%5E81f94bfd9e9d
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 90e87426ac57 - ffmpeg: enable Werror and fix all warnings
<chocabloc> what ide do you all use?
<nekobot> [haiku/buildtools] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [btrev43197] - https://git.haiku-os.org/buildtools/log/?qt=range&q=934127e8f171+%5E57c9179de2ca
<nekobot> [haiku/buildtools] 934127e8f171 - gcc/riscv: Align Haiku spec to gcc 11 design
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<Forza> What's the most common use case for you with using Haiku?
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<chocabloc> well i installed haiku just yesterday. i intended to use it to browse the web and work on my programming projects, but web+ flickers a lot and qt creator is broken on beta4 :(
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<Begasus> re
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/f701a2470459...c1d5012e9166
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus c1d5012 - libunistring, disable static library (#7666)
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<HaikuUser> a
<HaikuUser> aaaaaaaaa
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<PulkoMandy> Hello
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<chocabloc> hi pulkomandy
<chocabloc> i'll be joining college in 2023. i want to contribute to haiku (through gsoc, ideally). what are the things i should know/do before that?
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<Forza> chocabloc: did you read https://www.haiku-os.org/community/gsoc
<chocabloc> the link for 2023 gives a 404 :/
<Forza> Oh maybe it's not open yet
<Forza> ?
<Forza> Did you try Gnome Web
<Forza> ? It works pretty well compared to Web positive
<chocabloc> i did try it, it works well but pulls a lot of dependencies and looks out of place
<Forza> Out of place?
<Begasus> it's not a browser issue :)
<Forza> Sure, it's not a native browser, but it works
<Begasus> link is broken/not updated?
<chocabloc> by out of place i mean it doesn't look good under haiku
<chocabloc> guess i'll use it for the time being
<Forza> Begasus: https://www.haiku-os.org/community/gsoc/2023 is not working
<chocabloc> hey maybe i should work on the webkit port in 2023
<Begasus> yeah Forza that's what I meant by not a browser issue :)
<Forza> Begasus aha
<Begasus> Checked here with FF, same thing
<Forza> chocabloc: it would be great if we got web positive working fully
<chocabloc> hmm, i'll familiarise myself with haiku by using it as my daily driver for some time
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<chocabloc> also where should i file a bug for qt creator
<chocabloc> it is broken in many ways
<Begasus> haikuports
<chocabloc> thanks 👍
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<PulkoMandy> I forgot to add some files when creating the gsoc 2023 page. They are I think on my work PC, remind me next week to check there and fix that
<PulkoMandy> Until then, you can already read the ideas for 2022, they will probably be similar, and start researching if one of them seems more interesting to you. Or just use Haiku for a while, I'm sure you will find something that really needs to be fixed :)
<kallisti5[m]> <win8linux[m]> "Oh no, the closest mirror isn'..." <- that's 100% fair, and yeah.. 100% realize it. However, how often do people actually tune their mirrors and choose the fastest testing each one?
<kallisti5[m]> I know some folks do (and I have before), but I get the feeling a lot of folks generally just pick one "close maybe" and roll with it
<Begasus> k, one down checked (postgresql 9.6.10)
<Forza> kallisti5[m]: I made a pull request to update the IPv4 for my rsync/mirror :)
<Begasus> cocobean, did you do a build for dooble on 32bit? (strange that it errors out on buildmaster because nothing has changed in that regard that I know of)
<cocobean> Begasus: QtWebEngine not avail on x86. Depends on it.
<Begasus> previous version had it also? (at least I didn't see a change between both versions, or I missed that previous version didn't build also)
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<Begasus> postgresql 11.1 fine too :)
<cocobean> Begasus: As for BIND 9.16.36, mainly build tested on x64.
<Begasus> PulkoMandy, saw your (wip) PR for icu, will icu66 still be available? (atm postgresql depends on it here it seems)
<Begasus> cocobean, will do a test build for it tomorrow
<PulkoMandy> I deleted it in the pr but I think it can be restored if needed
<Begasus> probably will do/start a build for mlpack later to depend on a newer boost version (atm it needs boost164 that's broken also)
<Begasus> that or a revbump with the new dependency could be checked PulkoMandy
<Begasus> got 2 weeks off, so got some time on my hands (if dogs permits) :)
<Begasus> cocobean, could you check on your part (pkgman install mlpack) on 64bit, it should error out for dependency
<waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: we need to make two versions available for a time
<win8linux[m]> <kallisti5[m]> "that's 100% fair, and yeah.. 100..." <- If the close mirrors are slow, then it happens more often than you'd think.
<waddlesplash> otherwise we will break existing installs and cause packages to be uninstallable
<waddlesplash> perhaps let's jump more than a few versions at once while we're at it
<win8linux[m]> Ideally though, the system should pick the fastest mirror for the user.
<cocobean> Begasus: mlpack 3.4.2-1 (HP)
<cocobean> (no error)
<Begasus> installed with pkgman?
<cocobean> Y
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<Begasus> Y=yes?
<cocobean> hrev56673 x64.
<cocobean> Yes
<Begasus> the VBox I'm running 64bit in is running uptodate nightly (not online now)
<Begasus> strange
<cocobean> pkgman full-synced ?
<Begasus> at least it doesn't have an error on the superlu update than :)
<Begasus> yep, on latest hrev nightly
<Begasus> running "pkgman update" in between when packages are build on buildmaster to check on the static libraries
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<Begasus> eigen also uses superlu, but has no problem with the change to shared from static libraries (at least the package doesn't)
<PulkoMandy> waddlesplash: WebKit build is broken with ICU 68 and later, possibly an easy fix but I'm not sure
<PulkoMandy> Also the main goal for now (for me) is to set proper version constraints in Haiku package definitions, which currently tries to use any available icu version, but this can't work because they are all ABI incompatible
<PulkoMandy> Once that's fixed we can do updates the normal way with keeping multiple versions available without risks of the haiku package trying to use the wrong one
<humdinger> Evening.
<Begasus> Evening humdinger :)
<humdinger> waddlesplash: did you answer Andrea's offer for Italian press contact?
<humdinger> hey Begasus. had a merry xmas?
<Begasus> yep :)
<Begasus> busy on 3 laptops :P
<humdinger> Next year ask for another set of hands for xmas...
<Begasus> you?
<humdinger> Grand!
<Begasus> Nice! :)
<Begasus> some foundraising to I could buy a state of the art laptop to speed up builds :P
<Begasus> to/so*
<humdinger> or a big workstation. more bang for the buck.
<netpositive> and bigger electricity bill ;)
<Begasus> more electric pays :à
<Begasus> :)
<humdinger> depends. faster compiles may offset some of it.
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<Begasus> probably not here, if I have time the machines need to work :P
<Begasus> if things are OK with postgresql versions I'll boost up a build for mlpack this evening (hoping it will be done in the morning without errors) ;)
<Begasus> extrowork knows how to pick them :P
<humdinger> Mr. Monsterport
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<waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: no, it shouldn't do that due to update package versions script
<Begasus> so far most of the recipes for the static libraries (installed here) are easy and don't take to much time, the side effects are another thing ;)
<waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: check the actually used package info after post processing. it should have version constraints added
<waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: if it does not this is a bug in either the update versions script in the haiku build process or the package itself for declaring incorrect version constraints
<PulkoMandy> Oh, ok, should be fine then
<PulkoMandy> Yes, the haiku package has a versionned dependency; I didn't know that was done automatically
<waddlesplash> we shouldn't add version constraints to the package infos themselves
<waddlesplash> ah
<waddlesplash> maybe we should add a comment somewhere about that, idk
<waddlesplash> it is indeed easy to miss
<humdinger> Begasus: you should change your nick to "Disable static Begasus". I've seen a few hundred of those subject lines over the last days... :)
<Begasus> hehe
<Begasus> anyone can do it humdinger :)
<PulkoMandy> Ok, that simplifies a few things. But then I'm surprised about previous comments that updating icu made the system unbootable. Icu67 seems working perfectly fine here
<waddlesplash> it was on riscv and arm I think
<waddlesplash> not sure if anyone got to the root of that
<waddlesplash> I think riscv already doesn't use version 67
<humdinger> Begasus: sure, but you're after the golden github medal of most commits in a year. You shall have it.
<Begasus> lol
<PulkoMandy> Risc-V and ARM already use icu 67
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<Begasus> was glad to see the 1k commit though ;)
<PulkoMandy> At least that's what enabled at haikuports
<waddlesplash> that's not used yet
<waddlesplash> check .cross and also the actual package repo's in the tree
<PulkoMandy> Risc-V appears to be on 57
<PulkoMandy> Arm on 57 and arm64 on 67
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±5] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/c1d5012e9166...528445580da3
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 5284455 - postgresql, remove static libraries, cleanup, add patch for autoconf (#7667)
<PulkoMandy> In haikuports.cross icu70 is enabled for pretty much all architectures…
<Begasus> sh*t ...
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<waddlesplash> Begasus: yeah, big kudos for working on all the static library issues :)
<waddlesplash> we should have done this years ago
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±3] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/528445580da3...85c7f9f5f525
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 85c7f9f - postgresql, revbump for rebuild (#7668)
<PulkoMandy> As with many other things, but there's only so many of us :)
<Begasus> np waddlesplash , thanks for pointing out, still a LOT to go there I guess :)
<Begasus> k, first need to check postgresql9.6.10 for primary target before I revbump there
<Begasus> I checked the libtool file when I was on to working on something, never realy bothered with static libraries before
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<Begasus> still some packages fail, smpeg URI is down (other sources errored out), smpeg2 also errored (haven't taken notice as I moved on to others)
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/85c7f9f5f525...d10a1a6a48d7
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus d10a1a6 - portaudio, disable static library, remove libtool files (#7657)
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<Begasus> hi jmairboeck :)
<jmairboeck> hi Begasus
<Begasus> still no reall sollution wether or not to enable texlive packages :/
<jmairboeck> I think we should keep them disabled, at least as long multiple architectures are not de-duplicated
<jmairboeck> What about OpenCascade? can this be merged, you think?
<Begasus> if we could find some place to host them at least we could give users an option aside from haikuports
<Begasus> it's still marked as wip?
<Begasus> Some issue remain on EGL?
<jmairboeck> Applications trying to visualize something crash because we have no working OpenGL implementation, but it is much better than what we had before
<jmairboeck> I have disabled using OpenGL completely
<Begasus> if you say it's OK (last check I did was OK on 32bit) I can merge
<Begasus> waddlesplash, any idea there?
<jmairboeck> I think x512[m]'s EGL implementation in Mesa is not yet merged, IIRC
* Begasus pokes x512[m] :)
<waddlesplash> let's just merge it yes
<x512[m]> Yes, it is not merged.
<waddlesplash> the opencascade recipe that is
<Begasus> OK, let's see what happens after this
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/d10a1a6a48d7...e5fcf703a682
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] jmairboeck e5fcf70 - opencascade: switch to the official version (version 7.7.0) (#7538)
<x512[m]> It is not just EGL, it also introduce glvnd and move BGLView implementation to glvnd as wrapper over EGL.
<jmairboeck> the old version didn't include anything that is somehow related to X11 and therefore was missing half of the libraries
<Begasus> glvnd ... reminds me of some patch long ago
<Begasus> Thanks there jmairboeck
<jmairboeck> at least the STEP tools written by my colleague didn't build before and now they do :)
<waddlesplash> x512[m]: would you care to submit these to HaikuPorts?
<waddlesplash> it sounds like it would be good to get these incorporated
<waddlesplash> especially if I'm going to work on 3D drivers sooner than later...
<x512[m]> Some discussion is probably needed for introducing glvnd and moving BGLView implementation.
<x512[m]> On Haiku side changing dependency from Mesa to Glvnd will be needed.
<x512[m]> Mesa will no longer provide OpenGL API, only glvnd/libvulkan drivers.
* humdinger waves
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<Begasus> no intermediate sollution for that x512[m] ? (I'm guessing some mass recipe rewrite would be involved)
<x512[m]> Not mass recipe rewrite, but some coordination will be needed.
<Begasus> Lot's of recipes are having requirements for "lib:libGL$secondaryArchSuffix" atm I think?
<jmairboeck> they would probably just need a revbump to rebuild them against the new library
<Begasus> K, postgresql on 64bit build on buildmaster
<Begasus> my point jmairboeck
<x512[m]> It is fine. libGL name will remain the same, but it will be provided by glvnd package instead of Mesa.
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<Begasus> Ah ok, thanks for clarifying :)
<x512[m]> No binary compatibility breakage is supposed.
<x512[m]> If no explicit Mesa dependency is defined, it should be fine.
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/e5fcf703a682...90a5588b9fec
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 90a5588 - postgresql 9.6.10, revbump for rebuild (#7669)
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<Begasus> heading down here, just boosted a build for mlpack to use boost170
<Begasus> g'night peeps!
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<botifico> [haiku/infrastructure] kallisti5 pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±3] https://github.com/haiku/infrastructure/compare/0e797c96b1f6...c6bf621ad0ac
<botifico> [haiku/infrastructure] kallisti5 f120c00 - pvbackup: exclude log directory as well as logs
<botifico> [haiku/infrastructure] kallisti5 c6bf621 - deployment/trac: bump pvbackup to 1.2
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<BrunoSpr> hello all... I have strange page faults with Beta4, is this common problem, is it known? Uploading 'screenshot1.png'…
<PulkoMandy> Please make bugreports on dev.haiku-os.org
<BrunoSpr> sure
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<Vidrep_64> Hi
<Vidrep_64> Yesterday I tried to use my previously installed youtube-dl on nightly and it failed
<Vidrep_64> I had to rebuild the package locally in order to make it work again
<Vidrep_64> It was complaining about python
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<BrunoSpr> ah vidrep... i have the same problem! what did you do to make it work again?
<Vidrep_64> I just built it agin locally with haikuporter
<Vidrep_64> *again
<kallisti5[m]> if someone has r1/beta4 running, could you touch /test and tell me the result?
<BrunoSpr> kallisti5[m] What do touch?
<kallisti5[m]> touch /test
<Vidrep_64> BrunoSpr, when I went to install the newly built package, it also installed a bunch of other dependencies
<BrunoSpr> kallisti5[m] nothing happens
<BrunoSpr> cannot touch
<kallisti5[m]> oh? what's the error?
<BrunoSpr> Invalid argument
<kallisti5[m]> nice. ok. Thanks :-)
<kallisti5[m]> i'm adding permissions to the virtual rootfs to make sshd happy.
<kallisti5[m]> there's zero permission checking on / today
<kallisti5[m]> wanted to make sure I wasn't changing behavior in some bad way
<BrunoSpr> k easy task
<BrunoSpr> i am on my very small laptop here
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<PulkoMandy> The / filesystem only supports directories and symlinks, so touch won't work on it
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<kallisti5[m]> PulkoMandy: yeah. I mostly wanted to confirm for https://review.haiku-os.org/c/haiku/+/5964
<kallisti5[m]> however.. i'm realizing our user management doesn't 100% work
<kallisti5[m]> su - (username) always fails
<kallisti5[m]> (with invalid password)
<kallisti5[m]> shadow passwords fail.. plaintext passwords fail
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<x512[m]> su works for me.
<kallisti5[m]> x512: you can add a new user, set their password, then change to them?
<x512[m]> Last time I tried it worked.
<x512[m]> I also made GUI user management utility: https://github.com/X547/HaikuUtils/tree/master/Users.
<kallisti5[m]> ah. su - doesn't work
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<kallisti5[m]> su on it's own does. pebcak
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