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<OscarL>
I wonder why /bin/dstcheck now appears on Deskbar's "Recent applications"... it didn't before.
<OscarL>
(never called it manually myself... It gets launched as part of launch_daemon's "destop" target)
<xoblite>
hey OscarL
<OscarL>
Hello xoblite
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<xoblite>
@waddlesplash , do you maintain also the web pages code by any chance?
<xoblite>
if so, please add some link headers to move around the Haiku world at https://discuss.haiku-os.org/ to the wishlist :)
<OscarL>
xoblite: re: your Devices preflet changes... maybe separating the UI clean-up changes from the "contribute IDs" would make it easier to get those UI clean-up/streamline changes merged.
<xoblite>
(it'd be nice to e.g. move back and forth from Discuss to Review using simple header links as opposed to having multiple bookmarks)
<OscarL>
Regardless of my opinion on the menu entries... having separate changeset for both sounds like a good idea to me.
<xoblite>
OscarL: I added a few more people as reviewers rather than cc:; let's see what they say too perhaps. I don't think it's any big thing really
<xoblite>
did you pull and try it out btw?
<xoblite>
ah yes you did
<OscarL>
:-)
<xoblite>
you tried the menu items and the last of them not working etc
<xoblite>
you saw my comment wrt that btw?
<xoblite>
looks like a bug in the messaging iterator or similar
<OscarL>
Saw the comment(s), but didn't looked at the code.
<OscarL>
(outside of the changeset, I mean)
<xoblite>
I don't know the Haiku tree well enough yet to know where to look, somewhere in Support I guess?
<xoblite>
gotcha :)
<OscarL>
Placing the USB entry first makes it work, and the PCI one fail, lol :-) Might warrant writting a minimal test case app for that bug?
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<OscarL>
xoblite: kits/interface for MenuItem (and kit/application for Message*) related code, perhaps?
<OscarL>
I build from the haiku tree, from haikuports, from my own repos with makefile-engine... no issues with header files. If that was a wide spread problem, people would have noticed already, right?
<OscarL>
even the odd "g++ some_crappy_test.cpp" does't cause me issues :-/
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<xoblite>
not a problem compiling - just finding them all across the tree when you want to check/edit something
<xoblite>
(I'm on Haiku doing this btw, and haven't found a good IDE yet but who knows...)
<xoblite>
currently Koder on single files, pretty much.
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<Spaceboy10>
Is x86-64 beta 4 going to finally include a WoW64 equivalent?
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<OscarL>
Spaceboy10: to be able to run 32 bits apps? No, AFAIK.
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<waddlesplash>
xoblite: Qt Creator is in HaikuDepot
<Ferix>
Heyo all. I am trying Haiku beta 4 on a cursed laptop and it got to IRC, neat!
<Ferix>
The cursed laptop is an HP Mini 2133 which has a Via C7 CPU inside, nearly no Linux distro likes it as the GPU is weird but Haiku os works so far, awesome!
<AlienSoldier>
the curse is lifted
<waddlesplash>
:)
<waddlesplash>
most Linux distros have a hard time booting on plain VESA or framebuffer I hear, yes
<waddlesplash>
Haiku has no such troubles
<Ferix>
Yeah I guess that might be it. So far WiFI and audio seem to not work. But it installed on the HDD just fine, Ethernet works and battery shows and I get a status.
<waddlesplash>
what's your WiFi device ID
<waddlesplash>
(check listdev or listusb)
<outsidecontext>
waddlesplash: hey
<waddlesplash>
so, if you can reproduce that hang in a VM, can you drop to KDL?
<waddlesplash>
kallisti5[m] managed to reproduce it also, but I don't know if he poked around much in KDL
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<outsidecontext>
waddlesplash: I need to check, not much experience in this regard
<Ferix>
waddlesplash: BCM4311 it seems
<waddlesplash>
device ID?
<waddlesplash>
this device should actually be supported, at least theoretically, by the broadcom43xx driver
<Ferix>
Vendor: 14e4 Device: 4312
<outsidecontext>
waddlesplash: But I can check tomorrow.
<waddlesplash>
outsidecontext: ok
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<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] kenmays cea2f4b - links: bump version (#7551)
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<xoblite>
hmm I could use a crash course in working around Haiku's read-only system area... :|
<xoblite>
@waddlesplash , any suggestions? Trying to tinker with things as you know, but some things can't be patched as easily... or maybe I'm missing something obvious?
<xoblite>
I know I can launch-roster stop the regular Tracker to try out another one, but what about libs, kits, shared/private, etc?
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<waddlesplash>
xoblite: I thought I posted an explanation for this last time you asked
<waddlesplash>
maybe you had already quit IRC? idk
<waddlesplash>
if you need to test libs, easiest way is just creating a directory, put in the application to test with, then create a "lib" subdirectory and put the libs in there
<waddlesplash>
or use LD_PRELOAD
<OscarL>
xoblite: say you want to try a modified Tracker... placing the binary it in..say... "~/test_tracker/", and copying libtracker.so into "~/test_tracker/lib" should be enough.
<waddlesplash>
what OscarL said :)
* OscarL
can't beat waddlesplash's fast hands :-D
<waddlesplash>
if you actually need to update e.g. drivers/kernel/etc. and test things across a reboot, you should rebuild the relevant .hpkg and install it
<xoblite>
aha, thanks, didn't know about the ./libs association
<OscarL>
Alternative to what waddlesplash says about drivers... place then under the appropiate /non-package/ directory... and disable the system component at boot menu time.
<xoblite>
trying to wrap my head around how/where all the "private" stuff ends up at the moment ;)
<OscarL>
good enough for quick tests.
<waddlesplash>
what do you mean by "private" stuff?
<waddlesplash>
xoblite: the system area is read only because it doesn't exactly "exist"
<waddlesplash>
it's a union view of all installed packages
<xoblite>
for example /boot/home/haiku/headers/private/interface
<xoblite>
they're sub-sub-sub-included all over
<xoblite>
heh
<waddlesplash>
yes... and?
<waddlesplash>
(the HPKG format is a kind of block-compressed filesystem image, packages aren't "extracted" on installation, they're just mounted by kernel packagefs)
<xoblite>
does that stuff end up compiled into libs/kits or the apps/prefs themselves? it's not obvious how it relates at first glance (?)
<waddlesplash>
still not sure what you are asking...
<xoblite>
(I have just starting looking at the interface stuff, for example)
<waddlesplash>
what's "that stuff"?
<xoblite>
ok let me try to find an explicit example
<xoblite>
here's a simplified one: /boot/home/haiku/src/preferences/appearance/* relates back to /boot/home/haiku/src/kits/interface/InterfaceDefs.cpp relates back to /boot/home/haiku/headers/private/interface/DefaultColors.h (with a few twists and turns along the way)
<waddlesplash>
basically everything in src/kits/interface is compiled into libbe.so, with a few exceptions
<waddlesplash>
so the "private" headers here are just declaring things that are in libbe.so but not intended for public consumption
<xoblite>
ok so I'd need to compile my own libbe.so for the things that go all the way back? and I can put that in ./lib too?
<waddlesplash>
what do you mean "all the way back"?
<waddlesplash>
don't look at header location, look at directoryt
<waddlesplash>
and then, look at jamfile (because ColumnListView stuff is in src/kits/interface but goes into libcolumnlistview.a not libbe.so)
<xoblite>
say... I change a line in /boot/home/haiku/headers/private/interface/DefaultColors.h or in that area, do I need to compile my own libbe.so for that to reflect all the way back up to Appearance? It may be a stupid question perhaps, but like I said I don't quite have the hours into Haiku dev yet so I don't quite follow the dependencies here
<xoblite>
I prefer C too so all this object stuff is making my head hurt ;) (jk)
<OscarL>
if you modify those headers, next time you ran "jam Appeareance" (for example), it will both recompile libbe, whatever else it needs (due to the header file changing), and then compile and link the Appearence app to that.
<OscarL>
you'll find the new binaries under something like: "~/haiku/generated/objects/haiku/x86_64/release"
<OscarL>
(under they respective directories)
<xoblite>
yeah I understand that... but including a header in this case doesn't fully explain the dependencies I think (?)
<xoblite>
but your point is (for this simplified example) that I need to create a lib subfolder to where my Appearance hack is, and put libbe.so or whatever else I mess around with libs/kits-wise there?
<OscarL>
exactly
<xoblite>
gotcha, then it gets less complicated to wrap your head around, thanks!
<OscarL>
but the header thing... is just like on "pure C"... if you have an .h for a library... and your app links to said lib... if you modify the header, both the app and the lib needs to be recompiled, AFAIK,
<xoblite>
btw can I symlink from the lib subfolder too, or does it require the actual binary there?
<OscarL>
yes
<OscarL>
(Well, I've tested placing a symlink to the actual .so inside of a "lib"... but I guess it should work either way)
<xoblite>
you're right in that both need to be modified, but the runtime dependency may not be there
<xoblite>
ok will try in a minute
<OscarL>
blame C/C++ for the lack of proper modules/units (unlike ObjectPascal :-P)
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<OscarL>
and things that are checked at runtime... those are another beast entirely.
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<xoblite>
ah there we go... thank you OscarL and waddlesplash!
<waddlesplash>
there's already "dark" color constants btw
<waddlesplash>
xoblite: and, we definitely should not have two default buttons
<waddlesplash>
I'm not sure what the UI should be for switching to light/dark default, but not that :)
<waddlesplash>
xoblite: in fact there is a ticket about adjusting behavior of "Default" long predating the idea of dark mode: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/12994
<waddlesplash>
so maybe all these 3 problems shoudl be solved at once
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<OscarL>
[noob question] Does adding "CFLAGS=-D_D_DIRENT_HAVE_D_RECLEN=1" to the "runConfigure ./configure" line its BUILD recipe section sounds reasonable?
<OscarL>
waddlesplash: ^^^
<waddlesplash>
probably not
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<waddlesplash>
I would presume configure should detect this and set it automatically?
<OscarL>
tried grepping for that define...
<waddlesplash>
if it doesn't, that sounds like configure needs to be fixed
<OscarL>
only appears as an "#ifdef"
<OscarL>
(on the affected file, that's it)
<OscarL>
no signs of it on makefiles/configs, etc :-(
<waddlesplash>
ok
<waddlesplash>
maybe it should be set manually then...
<OscarL>
with that, and removing the static lib... the build ends up OK at least.
<OscarL>
Welp... gutenprint's INSTALL doc says, in its "Defining Variables" section... to use make sure to use that ./configure. And inspecting the resulting Makefile... the CFLAGS seems OK (as in... it has other stuff besides my added define)
<OscarL>
the latter was what I as afraid of... (of over-writing it, for example, instead of just apppending to it)
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<xoblite>
...Dark Mode almost done... :D
<xoblite>
commit likely on Sunday
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<waddlesplash>
xoblite: you saw my messages above?
<xoblite>
no, wait
<xoblite>
gotcha. well, what I've implemented at the moment is first to make the default button context sensitive, i.e. only affecting the current tab's settings
<xoblite>
then I reworked some of the dark mode stuff (including the colours which were a somewhat strange red-ish flavour)
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<xoblite>
and finally, made the default button smarter: on first click it goes back to the default regular colours i.e. light mode. if you click once more it switches to dark mode instead. if you edit the colours yourself and click the default button, it goes back to the regular light mode. very simple, easy to use (IMHO).
<waddlesplash>
that's definitely not intuitive at all, no
<waddlesplash>
buttons should not behave differently based on how many times you click them
<xoblite>
you'll have to try it, it's more intuitive than it sounds :)
<xoblite>
both are defaults. but sure, if a boolean toggle or dropdown is preferred, that's equally easy to add now.
<waddlesplash>
I am 99% sure this explicitly violates something in the interface guidelines
<waddlesplash>
if it doesn't we should have a rule against it
<xoblite>
keeping the window tab Haiku yellow in both modes of course!
<xoblite>
brb
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