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<OscarL>
Mmm... "package zsh-5.8.1-2 requires lib:libgdbm>=4.0.0, but none of the providers can be installed"
<OscarL>
the update wants me to uninstall zsh due to that :-D
<rennj>
welcome to dependency hell
<rennj>
failure to compile
<rennj>
1995-2005 keeping solaris,linux,freebsd in sync was much easier
<rennj>
beos/ fred fish geekgadgets
<OscarL>
I guess the zsh recipe needs to be changed to require `lib:libgdbm_compat`.
<rennj>
ADE for amiga and beos
<rennj>
gnu toolchain utils
* OscarL
goes out to try that.
<rennj>
its only a tool at the end of the day..can it solve my problems
<rennj>
i cant solve the worlds problems, i can only solve computer problems..thats where i wasted my time...
<rennj>
like a doctor,lawyer, architect, electrical/software engineering...
<rennj>
paid $$$ well
<rennj>
i cant solve the worlds problems, i can only solve computer problems..thats where i wasted my time...
<rennj>
got to specialize..
<rennj>
what i love is a dentist only has to learn human mouth/teeth once..8billion people fall in the normal/bi nominal distrubtion
<rennj>
computer is ever changing...abstraction layers
<rennj>
never ending learning
<rennj>
they got it easy...
<rennj>
dentist learn the mouth foo..and cover them for life, they only have to learn shit once..we never get a break in computing
<rennj>
sure new methods keep up with dental industry..but the learning curve is a joke
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<mr_chris>
Greetings from Beta 4 on a ThinkPad X220. This is really impressive how much just works!
<mr_chris>
And Gnome Web being available...just wow.
<OscarL>
hello there, mr_chris. Seems most folks are either asleep (or partying already :-P).
<LinuxUser>
Partying?
<OscarL>
As in gone to some end of the year party.
* OscarL
should have probably have added some punctuation in the above line.
<OscarL>
Partying... as in: "gone to some end-of-the-year" party.
<OscarL>
There... a bit better, I think :-D
<mr_chris>
Fair. I'm enjoying a quiet holiday this year. How about you?
<OscarL>
Managed to avoid COVID from the start till last week it seems, so... nice and quiet holidays/quarantine for me! :-D
<mr_chris>
Sorry to hear. Get well soon.
<OscarL>
thanks!
<OscarL>
do the intel drivers work on that X220? Looks like a really nice machine for Haiku (and in general, of course)
<mr_chris>
Seems to so far! I'm about to try SuperTuxKart to see how well 3D works on it.
<mr_chris>
Abou the only thing not working is the laptop media keys and suspend.
<OscarL>
We lack 3D accel, so... keep expectation low :-D
<mr_chris>
I imagine suspend isn't something baked into Haiku yet, though.
<mr_chris>
Fair enough.
<mr_chris>
What is your involvement with the project? Dev? User?
<OscarL>
loooong time user.... occasional small contributor.
<OscarL>
do the bits I can over HaikuPorts lately too.
<mr_chris>
Very nice
<mr_chris>
I hope I can contibute at some point in time. It seems viable as a daily driver now for light stuff. I wouldn't use it full time due to the lack of full disk encryption.
<OscarL>
Good thing about Haiku... the "barrier to entry" is lower than on other systems, at least IME.
<mr_chris>
I'm coming from a well steeped in Linux background so I'm already feeling right at home. GTK apps, Wine, bash and the cli tools that are available. It's impressive.
<mr_chris>
And yeah, the barrier to entry does seem pretty low.
<OscarL>
AFAIK, one of the earliest developers is working on disk encryption, but that is public yet, I think.
<mr_chris>
Are you referring to the community is easy to enter, the OS itself as far as usability is concerned, or both?
<OscarL>
both :-)
<OscarL>
and also even I ended up sending patches from drivers to apps :-)
<mr_chris>
:)
<OscarL>
If *I* can do it... :-P
<mr_chris>
lol, I hear you.
<mr_chris>
I never thought I'd be able to install it on hardware and just go. I played with it about a decade ago a few more times in between.
<mr_chris>
I think the last real hardware I put it on was an eeepc 701.
* OscarL
looks nervously to his ATOM N450 netbook.
<OscarL>
Yeah... *old* stuff! :-)
<mr_chris>
The old ways are best.
<OscarL>
Too bad modern web is (and browsers are) way too much for such machines to do much more than a web search :-)
<OscarL>
Still plenty for most of the rest of things I do.
<mr_chris>
Indeed. I've had some involvement with TenFourFox in PowerPC OS X land. Sad how little can be done now.
<mr_chris>
That 4GB is the bare minimum these days for something "modern". It seems laughable.
<mr_chris>
What's your use case for Haiku? Daily driver? Tinker toy? Specific purposes?
<OscarL>
(I remember running BeZilla on BeOS PE R5... on an Athlon 900 MHz, with 256 MB of RAM)
<OscarL>
I use it mostly for porting software, light programming...
<OscarL>
On my main PC sadly it uses WAY too much power, so I run it mosltly from a VM (I'm missing "AMD PowerNow" drivers).
<OscarL>
I used to run BeOS as my main OS from 2000 to 2005, and kept being interested in Haiku since before it had that name :-)
<mr_chris>
I feel you on the power usage. It doesn't seem to have any notion of laptop power management yet.
<OscarL>
There ARE some P-State drivers for some Intel CPUs, and one was added lately for some AMD Ryzen ones.
<OscarL>
some C-states are also handled (idle), but support varies from CPU to CPU, I'm afraid :-(
<OscarL>
I should give porting "amdtemp" from FreeBSD a try :-)
<mr_chris>
It seems a lot of BSD stuff makes it into here.
<OscarL>
(besides mocking around my IT85xx driver :-D)
<mr_chris>
I'll have to learn how to make use of the power related stuff. At this point I don't even know how to query which CPU governor is currently in use or if there is any kind of power state switching enabled.
<mr_chris>
IT85xx?
<OscarL>
At least for stuff that will end up in the kernel... BSD/MIT code is preferred by the project, yes.
<OscarL>
Sorry, the ITE87 family of EC chips.
<OscarL>
As in ITE8705 (from my old PCCHips motherboard) or the one I currently have, an ITE8718. Hardware Monitoring / Environmental Controller.
<mr_chris>
I'm heading to bed. Good chatting. Feel better soon and happy new year.
<OscarL>
Sleep well! Best Wishes for you too!
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<Begasus>
g'morning peeps
<OscarL>
Hello Begasus!
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<OscarL>
Running a build for zsh with no other changes.
<Begasus>
Hi OscarL , was about to do the same here :)
<OscarL>
I guess I should have not taken that "need version 4" so drastically :-D
<Begasus>
I also overlooked that dependency it seems
<OscarL>
welp, it buils, installs and zsh does not crash when invoked :-D
<OscarL>
*it builds
<Begasus>
+1
<OscarL>
lemme check wich libs it is loading, just in case.
<OscarL>
"libgdbm.so.6.0.0"
<Begasus>
nice :)
<OscarL>
So.... I'll ammend my PR/commit with only a rev-bump then :-D
<Begasus>
Thanks for checking :)
<OscarL>
np! thanks for pointing my wrong assumption!
<Begasus>
the "static" is enabled during configure, so if it wasn't in there it wouldn't be build, but I don't think anything is using it.
<Begasus>
fetching cmd:col
<Begasus>
do you got that?
<OscarL>
yup (at least the first time I build zsh tonight)
<Begasus>
PulkoMandy, did some changes there iirc
<Begasus>
util_linux
<OscarL>
yup to both the above.
<Begasus>
eeeps
<Begasus_32>
problem 1: package libuuid_x86-1.3.1-4 conflicts with util_linux_x86 provided by util_linux_x86-2.34-2
<Begasus_32>
solution 1:
<Begasus_32>
- allow deinstallation of libuuid_x86-1.3.1-4
<Begasus_32>
- allow deinstallation of libuuid_x86_devel-1.3.1-4
<Begasus_32>
- allow deinstallation of librsvg_x86-2.50.7-3
<Begasus_32>
- allow deinstallation of xapian_x86-1.4.21-2
<Begasus_32>
- allow deinstallation of xapian_x86_devel-1.4.21-2
<Begasus_32>
- allow deinstallation of libzim_x86-8.0.1-1
<Begasus_32>
- allow deinstallation of gtk3_x86-3.24.34-6
<Begasus>
k, not going there :P
<OscarL>
maybe he didn't check on 32 bits ? :-P
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<Begasus>
CONFLICTS="
<Begasus>
util_linux$secondaryArchSuffix
<Begasus>
"
<Begasus>
from libuuid
<Begasus>
maybe that should be removed since libuuid in util_linux is moved out of the base package ...
<OscarL>
so... now that libuuid from util_unix, if needed, is on "util_linux_libuuid" package? (trying to understand the recipe)
<Begasus>
yes, so there should be a conflict on that package, not the base package
<OscarL>
"pkgman search libuuid" to the rescue! :-P
<OscarL>
"util_linux_libuuid" indeed.
<Begasus>
building without the conflicts atm to check zsh, finetune libuuid with the right conflict
<LinuxUser>
Hi begasus
<OscarL>
weird it worked on my machine.. I guess i didn't had libuuid installed.
<Begasus>
Hi LinuxUser
<Begasus>
probably not OscarL
<OscarL>
LinuxUser === LinuxUserHaiku from some time ago?
<Begasus>
k zsh building now
<netpositive>
morning
<Begasus>
I see I still have a zsh branch in my repo ... cleaning
<Begasus>
morning netpositive
<Begasus>
ksh also, think there were issues with that one back then
<OscarL>
good day to you, netpositive!
* OscarL
wants cmd.exe + clink on Haiku :-P
<OscarL>
one more shell, not much to ask for, no?
* OscarL
ducks.
<Begasus>
who's stopping you? :P
<OscarL>
I should give Wine a go on that :-D
<OscarL>
speaking of cleaning... do anyone else gets message like this after using "man"?
<OscarL>
man: outdated mandoc.db lacks man(1) entry, run makewhatis /boot/system/documentation/man
<OscarL>
but that message appears even after calling that "makewhatis /boot..."
<Begasus>
Ah, wondered why zsh still uses libgdbm -> 4.0.0 (primary arch, the new only exists on secondary, so zsh should switch to secondary for that OscarL ) :)
<OscarL>
grrr! :-P
<Begasus>
it's even disabled for primary :P
<Begasus>
You make it too easy on yourself by running 64bit :P
<OscarL>
That means what we don't even get that libgdbm_compat on x86_gcc2, right?
<Begasus>
right
<OscarL>
my excuse is that with COVID I'm even less lucid than usual :-(
<Begasus>
tsss ... only means more time to spent on Haiku, that's a benifit :P
<OscarL>
(didn't had much will to switch VMs :-) )
<Begasus>
(at least if you don't suffer to much)
<OscarL>
now I'm ok, yesterday and until a few hours ago was getting annoying :-(
<Begasus>
dogs in a bit, running a build for _x86 atm
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<Begasus>
completed ... OscarL how do I check if it works as expected?
* OscarL
wonders why HaikuDepot's content list is sorted from Z to A
<OscarL>
from Terminal.. > zsh
<OscarL>
it should NOT explode :-P
<OscarL>
also, "listimage zsh" should show what libs it is loading along :-)
<OscarL>
"zsh --help" and zsh --version.
<OscarL>
don't forget to "exit" to get back to bash.
<OscarL>
trying to autocomplete from "zsh" also seems to work (and somehow different from what it does in bash).
<OscarL>
Not much of I can think of... only used zsh when trying other software that mentioned it :-D
<Begasus_32>
~> zsh-x86 --version
<Begasus_32>
zsh 5.8.1 (i586-pc-haiku)
<Begasus>
seems to be ok
<OscarL>
yup.
<Begasus>
I could take of the 32bit if you like
<Begasus>
want to add comandBinDir also
<OscarL>
please do. I'm afraid I would mess it up
<Begasus>
but maybe we should fix libuuid's conflict first
<OscarL>
shall I close my zsh PR, or will you add commits there?
<Begasus>
no, no need, I'll merge that one (only gets build on 64bit atm)
<Begasus>
will do another PR later after fixing libuuid for 32bit then :)
<OscarL>
+1
<OscarL>
Thanks Begasus.
<OscarL>
Can't let that 2->3 change get to waste! :-P
<Begasus>
np, thanks for catching this, and reporting :)
<Begasus>
wouldn't have found otherwise :)
<Begasus>
You need to score some commits :P lol
<OscarL>
team work... makes you wish for better team-mates, doesn't it? :-P
<Begasus>
That's what I liked from being in BeOS and on :)
<OscarL>
+100
<Kokito>
Hi Begasus!
<Begasus>
Hi Kokito !
<Begasus>
ok, conflict for devel should stay
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<Kokito>
Getting addicted to Beta 4 Begasus ;)
<Begasus>
Nice to hear Kokito ! Good to see back and around :)
<OscarL>
Begasus: seems like maybe that util_linux's libuuid should have it's own "PROVIDES_libuuid_devel" or something?
<Begasus>
I'm still enjoying it as much as over 20 years ago
<Begasus>
not realy OscarL , as that one is prefered and default for libuuid
<Begasus>
so you should be able to have base packages for both, but conflict for util_linux_libuuid and the devel packages
<OscarL>
so many conflicts... why can't they get along, eh?
<OscarL>
:-P
<Begasus>
If we get 2 of the same balls in one team, no one knows wich ball to kick :P
<OscarL>
pfff... that's why we have two legs!
* Begasus
is imagining how OscarL pulls that off ...
<OscarL>
might end up sitting on the floor, if kicking with both at the same time... still doable, if you ask me :-P
<Begasus>
could take you some time to get to the other side of the field though (or hopping back) :P
<Begasus_32>
problem 1: package libuuid_x86_devel-1.3.1-3 conflicts with util_linux_x86_devel provided by util_linux_x86_devel-2.34-2
<OscarL>
comment from korli HP... "BTW building zsh shouldn't require cmd:col anyway. Might be an idea to check."
<OscarL>
and "No need to install every package locally."... NOW you tell me?!?! :-P
<Begasus>
You should read your emails more often :P
<OscarL>
wish pkgman had a "--just_download" option.
<Begasus>
as in?
<OscarL>
just download the given package, without installing it.
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<Begasus>
there is the depot that you can use for that, not as easy but still :)
<OscarL>
could use it to populate haikuporter's "package" dir as korli mention, without having to build everything locally, nor "polluting" my pristine (ha!) systems! :-D
<Begasus>
Warning: POLICY WARNING: can't find used library "librustc_driver-0c90dd47d38bdbd0.so"
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<Begasus>
hi matt3
<matt3>
hi !!!
<Begasus>
k, let me try to update libqt5pas and fpcupdeluxe :)
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<nielx[m]>
I looked into this issue before, it is due to the fact that haikuporter does not follow all runtime_loader rules about relative libraries
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<Begasus>
It has been reported, but no fix for that yet, so as long as there is no fix haikuporter shouldn't run in strict mode on the buildmaster, imho
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<OscarL>
rust_bin_x86 build complete. 2019s (64 bits) vs 3179s (32 bits) of build time.
<Begasus>
on 64bit it's finished along with the other ones :)
<OscarL>
very fast indeed compared to the 32 one :-)
<Begasus>
beats the crap on my setup :P
<x512[m]>
Begasus_32: pkgman install vulkan
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<Begasus>
ah, wasn't aware it was already there, thanks!
<x512[m]>
OscarL: Poke have a problem that physical addresses are broken on 32 bit. Physical addresses should be 64 bit even on 32 bit OS.
<OscarL>
nah... you liked the one for gdbm! :-D
<Begasus>
ah, bugger
<matt3>
no poodles
<matt3>
but Husky
<Begasus>
200GB partition, got some place :)
<OscarL>
x512[m]: ouch, sorry to hear that. I never was good enough with that kind of stuff (and I didn't get better with time :-()
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<Anarchos>
hello all
<Begasus>
hi Anarchos
<Anarchos>
x512[m] congrats for all your hard work !
<Anarchos>
Begasus hello
<OscarL>
"// TODO: mem_map_args::physical_address should be phys_addr_t!"
<Begasus>
commit! :P
<Begasus>
you only have a few hours left ;)
<OscarL>
Begasus: the Gerrit review alone will send it right into 2023, even if by some miracle I manage to do it right the first time around :-D
<OscarL>
(*on the first try, I meant)
<Begasus>
too late then ;)
<OscarL>
yeah... the year is lost :-(
<Begasus>
you can make it up next one :)
<OscarL>
regarding that bug in poke... added it in 2005, and in 2010 Ingo added the ToDo above... seems it hasn't bothered enough anyone in 12 years :-P
<OscarL>
according to my docs, seems like original BeOS poke didn't had that feature anyway, so... bug... feature... what's the difference? :-P
<Begasus>
x512[m], now it complains not finding libdrm :) (can't find it with pkgman too)
<OscarL>
"#ifdef __HAIKU_ARCH_PHYSICAL_64_BIT" Mmm. Might have worked ok in BeOS then?
<Begasus>
Another skip for 32bit? :P
<OscarL>
heh.
<Begasus>
libqt5pas takes a long time to build for such a small archive ...
<x512[m]>
Begasus: Updated Build.sh.
<x512[m]>
> Another skip for 32bit? :P
<x512[m]>
?
<Begasus>
that was for OscarL :)
<OscarL>
Ah... is that due to PAE that we need 64 bits mem address in 32 bits too?
* OscarL
gets easily confused.
* OscarL
thinks then that the bug can't be his fault... for ONCE!
<Begasus>
hehe
<Begasus>
x512[m], is there a way to check if the clones have already been downloaded, atm commented them out for a rebuild
<OscarL>
yes! "The intention is to use separate macros and types for virtual and physical addresses, since for some architectures (e.g. x86 with PAE) those actually differ."
<Begasus>
it IS your fault?
<Begasus>
k, progressing now x512[m]
<OscarL>
Noup... PAE was not even a thing on BeOS :-D (that explanation above comes from a commit by Ingo in 24-May-2010 :-D)
<x512[m]>
Updated Build.sh. Turned off libdrm intel because it depends on pciaccess.
<Begasus>
now you tell me :)
<Begasus>
that was the next error here :)
<OscarL>
"#define POKE_SIGNATURE'wltp'// "We Like To Poke"" LMAO.
<Begasus>
:D
<OscarL>
x512[m]: changing mem_map_args's "void* physical_address;" to use phys_addr_t should be enough do you think? the "void* address" should stay that way, no? (sorry if this is a silly question... I'm a silly guy).
<x512[m]>
OscarL: It is technically ABI breakage, but probably nobody cares.
<Begasus>
build failure for flexcat on 32bit buildmaster PulkoMandy :)
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<OscarL>
except for RadeonGfx, and my recently found /bin/poke, I guess :-D
<x512[m]>
RadeonGfx do not work on 32 bit because of that problem.
<OscarL>
awesome!
<Begasus>
see! told you so! :)
<x512[m]>
So RadeonGfx cares phys_addr_t problem to be solved.
<OscarL>
that fact certainly will improve the odds of getting a patch merged then :-)
<Begasus>
priorities OscarL ! :P
<Begasus>
fix this ;)
<OscarL>
no pressure, right? RIGHT? :-P
<Begasus>
RIGHT ;)
<OscarL>
:-D
<Begasus>
jk ;) main laptop atm has an intel :)
<OscarL>
flexcat-2.18 is broken on 32 bits... already working on that Begasus ??? :-P
<Begasus>
it's PulkoMandy 's baby :)
<Begasus>
already have 2 builds running on one laptop :)
<Begasus_32>
../meson.build:13:0: ERROR: Include dir /boot/system/develop/headers/libdrm does not exist.
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<OscarL>
wait until I actually try to install the driver and call it... /me prepares for the explosion.
<Begasus>
heh
<Begasus>
ok libdrm2 finished too x512[m]
<Begasus>
libqt5pas archive is only about +300KB, going on with the build for over 1,5h
<Begasus_32>
../VideoBufferBindBitmap.cpp:16:86: error: no matching function for call to 'BBitmap::BBitmap(area_id&, ptrdiff_t&, BRect&, uint32&, color_space&, int32&, screen_id&)'
<Begasus>
x512[m], I guess those libraries could be put into seperate recipes when done? (not doing, just asking)
<x512[m]>
I am not sure about final packaging configuration.
<Begasus>
ok, just thinking out loud, looking at the script I guess libdrm/libdrm2 and videostreams could be build seperate
<Begasus>
still the same
<x512[m]>
libdrm2 is a bit tricky: it replaces libdrm.so from libdrm.
<Begasus>
can't find libvideostreams
<Begasus>
ah
<Begasus_32>
../meson.build:24:0: ERROR: Dependency "libvideostreams" not found, tried pkgconfig and cmake
<Begasus>
sec, need to rebuild videostreams :)
<x512[m]>
Do tree VideoStreams/build.$(getarch)/install output change?
<Begasus>
disabled building them (those finished) in the script
<Begasus>
probably only after the rebuild :)
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<Begasus>
heading out for a bit
<Begasus_32>
../meson.build:27:0: ERROR: Include dir /boot/system/develop/headers/libdrm does not exist.
<x512[m]>
Fixed already?
<Begasus>
removed the line
<Begasus>
videostream is ok
<Begasus>
compiling
<Begasus>
bbl
<x512[m]>
bbl?
<x512[m]>
What is it?
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<OscarL>
x512[m]: bbl == "be back later"
* OscarL
will try the fixed poke driver on 32 bits now. /bin/poke still pretty broken, thou, so... will be more like a "smoke test" before sending the patch to gerrit for review :-)
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<OscarL>
I'm not well versed on Jam (or on anything really :-D)
<matt3>
you could put a variable : HAIKU_CD_BOOT_IMAGE_SPACE = 3GB ...
<Sark>
Hrm, on reboot, kernel debugger crash about usb explore... Maybe there is something strange with my hardware. Keyboard wouldn't work either. Reboot again and I get the desktop but the mouse doesn't work again (keyboard does)
<matt3>
but i don't know ... i apologize
<Sark>
And reboot yet again and everything works. I've changed nothing. I love computers :)
<OscarL>
Sark: yikes! Does that no matter which port you use? (USB2 vs USB3, for example)
<Sark>
I don't think this computer has USB 3
<OscarL>
well, that's one way to rule that out, Sark! :-P
<Sark>
If it does, they're not marked so I don't know which would be which, all the ports are black so I assume they're all USB 2
<Sark>
And in those reboots I did not unplug or move any of the hardware around. I have only the two USB devices, keyboard and mouse, neither of which are anything strange (standard Dell keyboard, mouse is regular, three button mechanical type)
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 7a6e72c28949 - listdev: include dependency on generated file
<OscarL>
Earlier this month there was an user with a Walmart keyboard that was giving him problems.
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<OscarL>
guess you never know what might cause issues :-/
<Sark>
Ghosts.
<Sark>
Haha - speaking of problematic cheapo keyboards... I bought the one I'm using on this PC at Big Lots yesterday. Cheap "RGB gaming" keyboard from the clearance section, like ten bucks.
<Sark>
It has those RGB lights under the keys - actually not super obnoxious and kind of neat since it makes the letters in the keys glow too. And, it's toggleable.
<Sark>
Problem: the toggle is the Scroll Lock key. The lighting is actually directly tied to the Scroll Lock LED.
<Sark>
So, I can toggle the lights on and off, but Scroll Lock is still Scroll Lock. Making typing and the lighting mutually exclusive.
<OscarL>
some of those keyboards presents themselves as "multiple" devices over USB sometimes, no? like some "composite" type or something.
<OscarL>
Those seem to confuse Haiku a bit :-)
<Sark>
This one doesn't, it's the cheapest of the cheap thing. Just like the Dell keyboard I have on my Haiku machine, that one is the standard, basic, just-a-keyboard keyboard that comes with office PCs a decade ago.
<OscarL>
(At least I remember reading bug reports on that line)
* OscarL
looks at his PS/2 only PCs.... "Yeah.... totally USB things!" :-P
<Sark>
hehe
<OscarL>
ball mouse even LOL
<andreasdr[m]>
Hi there!
<OscarL>
Hello andreasdr[m]!
<andreasdr[m]>
x512: you published RadeonGfx? Nice. Means I can test 3d hw acceleration with my AMD RX480?
<x512[m]>
AMD RX480 not supported yet.
<andreasdr[m]>
Ah I see. I have a AMD 7770?
<andreasdr[m]>
Can I test with the AMD Radeon 7770?
* Sark
checks Devices...
<Sark>
My box has an ATI card of some description - says here "Cape Verde GL [FirePro W4100]".... I have no idea what that equates to. lol
<x512[m]>
AMD Radeon 7770 should be supported. It worth testing.
<andreasdr[m]>
Nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <3 <3 <3
<andreasdr[m]>
Ill try next days.
<x512[m]>
It will need assistance how to run this thing.
<andreasdr[m]>
I see.
<x512[m]>
It is not yet ready for end user.
<andreasdr[m]>
Can I maybe come back to later if I have questions?
<OscarL>
Oldest I've tested recently was on an Socket 478 Celeron 2.63. But I've only tested it for boot/hardware compatibility, didn't kept using it much :-(
<little_mac>
and firefox says your malware :P
<little_mac>
ic thanks OscarL
<little_mac>
guess ill test it my self
<OscarL>
Only way to know for sure :-)
<little_mac>
yup
<Sark>
Ugh. Why is it that everything these days needs encryption? lol. I can't do much on Haiku because pycryptodome is broken.
<OscarL>
With older systems booting up from USB might be complicated.
<little_mac>
my laptop cant boot from usb it will be a dvd install
<little_mac>
thats why i asked here cause i have to go threw burning a dvd lol
<OscarL>
if you have an HDD to usb adapter, you could use a newer computer to install Haiku that way.... and move that HDD back to the old system.
<little_mac>
huh
<little_mac>
seems like more work to take apart ur laptop to get the hard drive
<Sark>
DVD installing works fine though, I used that because I don't have any spare flash drives at the moment.
<OscarL>
Just mentioning alternative routes :-D (by far NOT the most convoluted I've used, heh)
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<Begasus>
OscarL, if it does the trick yes! :)
<OscarL>
I guess will find out sooner or later :-D
<OscarL>
*we'll
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<Begasus>
OscarL, wish I could do a +1 there, but I'm not part of that :)
<Begasus>
should setup a Haiku source and do some checkups there, but got already enough :)
<Begasus>
x512[m], build failed earlier not finding xf86drm.h ... see earlier reply here
<Begasus>
meantime libqt5pas finished :)
<OscarL>
:-) YAY!
<OscarL>
that sounds to be slower than me :-D
<Begasus>
:)
<OscarL>
will keep an eye to see how long it takes for the buildmaster to crunch that one.
<Sark>
Going around in circles and confused. If errno.h is included, how do I know *which* errno.h? There are three of them.
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<_Dario_>
Happy New Year!
<andreasdr[m]>
Happy new year there!!!!
<Begasus>
HNY _Dario_
<Sark>
Happy New Year to you too!
<andreasdr[m]>
<3
<Begasus>
We're not there yet :)
<Begasus>
hi andreasdr[m] !
<andreasdr[m]>
Hi Begasus!
<andreasdr[m]>
Hi Oscarl!
<andreasdr[m]>
Hi there!!!
<Begasus>
k, fpcupdeluxe also installed, running a new build for fpc/lazarus
<_Dario_>
Here neither, but just in case I sent the message in advance :-)
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<Sark>
Yeah - I haven't been able to find anything, I just keep going around in circles and getting even more confused. I don't really know what I'm looking at.
<Sark>
Of course, it doesn't matter anyway, because I can't actually edit any of the files so there's no way to fix or work around or attempt to change anything.
<OscarL>
We can discat "bsd/errno.h" as that just calls "next errno.h"
<andreasdr[m]>
I hear the explosions of fireworks here already in Berlin :D
<OscarL>
s/discat/discard
<little_mac>
ok what i meant to ask was does Haiku have support for the Mobility Radeon 7500 GPU
<Sark>
Hrm, OK - since bsd/errno.h does define EINVAL
<Sark>
posix/errno.h includes Errors.h, which also defines it.
<OscarL>
Really weird.
<OscarL>
Isn't there an ENV variable you could use to change the include directories?
<OscarL>
that should allow to place a "fake" errno.h "in front" of the others, no?
<Sark>
I don't know. I'm not really sure how the compilation works. I don't know enough about the system programming to know how to do that.
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<Sark>
I'm not much of a programmer, I've only been writing Python code, and wanted to be able to run it on Haiku instead of having to ssh into a Linux box.
<matt3>
create empty iso 4 gb + copy files inside + copy all to harddisk ...
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<OscarL>
you still trying to build it via pip install, or have attempted a to build it on its own?
<matt3>
create empty iso 4 gb + copy files inside + install => partition + copy all to harddisk + install bootmanager ...
<OscarL>
It might need some patching and be packaged as a Haiku package instead of using it via pip.
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<matt3>
cu later ...
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<OscarL>
I guess I'll give it a look when I woke up tomorrow :-)
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<win8linux[m]>
Now currently living in the future year of 2023!
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<OscarL>
win8linux[m]: quick! tell me some lotto numbers! :-P
<OscarL>
the winning ones, please :-D
<win8linux[m]>
69 420 80085 1337
<win8linux[m]>
:P
<OscarL>
nice.
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<Begasus>
Hi win8linux[m] HNY then! :)
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<OscarL>
Sark: apparently... the problem is with the pycryptodomex trying to use SSE2 intrinsics.
<OscarL>
Managed to build the .c files by removing -DUSE_SSE2 from the makefile.
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<OscarL>
Still not usable, but at least now we have a bit more of a clue where the problem lies.
<Sark>
Huh! Very interesting! Such a weird error from that! Nice sleuthing.
<OscarL>
as I haven't done much packaging of Python code (and less so into Haiku packages)... can't promise a fast turn around... need to learn more about that process first.
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<OscarL>
but it *should* be doable to create a .hpkg for pycryptodomex, at least after disabling SSE2 for it :-D
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<cocobean>
haikuwebkit - WebKit 615.1.10 builds OK on x64.
<matt3>
to preserve attributes during installation : do an haiku machine with jam => build all files => zip all filesystem with haiku zip command => install : partition => format in befs => unzip all => bootman ...
<matt3>
haiku's zip command saves befs attributes ... ;)
<cocobean>
x512 - RadeonGFX- VideoBufferBindBitmap.cpp:16:86: error: no matching function for call BBitmap
<cocobean>
haikuwebkit - WebKit 615.1.15 (current) builds OK on hrev56678 x64.
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<OscarL>
darn, the VBoxTray crashed my VM again :-D
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<OscarL>
heh, "cont" at the KDL and it just worked, lol.
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<cocobean>
x512: builds after patching.
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<cocobean>
x513: Built radeon_gfx driver sucessfully.
<cocobean>
x512: Built radeon_gfx driver successfully.
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<andreasdr[m]>
<3
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<Begasus>
k, getting: resolve symbol "libiconv_open" returned: -2147478780 when trying to build cudatext with lazarus (lazbuild), searching the web doesn't reveal any related information, maybe it's out libiconv package?
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<OscarL>
Begasus: I think that error is B_MISSING_SYMBOL, or B_MISSING_LIBRARY (doing some reading of Errors.h).
<OscarL>
libiconv 1.17 is the latest... perhaps it needs the previous one? 1.16?
<Begasus>
OscarL, lazarus has been rebuild with the current install (so also latest libiconv), that went fine, have seen this issue for a while (got cudatext 1.152.0.9 up and running)
<Begasus_32>
runtime_loader: /boot/home/fpcupdeluxe/lazarus/lazbuild: Could not resolve symbol 'libiconv_open'
<Begasus_32>
resolve symbol "libiconv_open" returned: -2147478780
<Begasus_32>
runtime_loader: /boot/home/fpcupdeluxe/lazarus/lazbuild: Troubles relocating: Symbol not found
<OscarL>
maybe running "strace lazbuild", and looking for "libiconv" might reveal if its trying to load that library with a different name (and thus not finding it).
<Begasus>
same output
<OscarL>
can you build other stuff with lazbuild?
<Begasus>
I'm tempted to rebuild the older libiconv
<OscarL>
(maybe is lazbuild the one that's broken?)
<Begasus>
as you can see in the paste above, that was/is lazbuild
<OscarL>
sorry, was thinking that it failed only while using it to on CudaText.
<Begasus>
no, also when run from terminal
* augiedoggie
might try running lddtree on lazbuild to see what it's linked against
<augiedoggie>
i thought that was only libshared though
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<Begasus>
lost there OscarL :/
<Begasus>
and 1.16 fails to build without changing the recipe
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<OscarL>
is there a makefile for lazbuild where you might add a -liconv? (having libicov 1.17 installed)
<Begasus>
been looking through it, so far no cleu
<OscarL>
haven't used fpc in ages...
<Begasus>
filed an issue upstream, but doubt it's on their side
<Begasus>
and now I can't build the static library with recent changes to haikuporter :P
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<OscarL>
Apparently, -k'-liconv' will make fpc pass that '-liconv' to the linker... the problem is where to add that :-D
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<OscarL>
Sorry for not being more helpful, Begasus. I'll unplug and get some rest. Read you the next year!
<Begasus>
np, thanks OscarL !
<OscarL>
Best wishes to everyone here... Happy New Year!!!
<Begasus>
take care, have a good one and cu next year!
<OscarL>
thanks! Later!
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<AlienSoldier>
Begasus i think i forgot if i found a workaround for opentyrian control, in any case it still is unplayable by mouse or keyboard (i don't have a joystick to test it).
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<AlienSoldier>
i think i was able to play it at one point but forgot how
<Begasus>
thanks for mentioning AlienSoldier , getting headaches from other things atm though :)
<AlienSoldier>
Ledorin have the same problem as me as he mention it in his haikudepot review
* AlienSoldier
was just putting his haiku game backlog in order :)
<Begasus>
np :)
<AlienSoldier>
Those that say there is not enough game in haiku just don't finish their games, i can't keep up :P
<Begasus>
heh
<Begasus>
When it comes to it I'm fine with Edgar :)
<Begasus>
fish-fillets ...
<AlienSoldier>
N0stalgia released a NTSC fixed SWIV on C64, never played that one... the pile is ever growing.
<Begasus>
the l-games ... :)
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<cocobean>
Radeon HD 7790 is the good if you can get them for testing.
<AlienSoldier>
cocobean any chance that i can get out of VESA eventually with my Kabini [Radeon HD 8400 / R3 Series]
<cocobean>
Technically, we can switch over those models....
<AlienSoldier>
switch over? as in they are backward compatible?
<cocobean>
Yes... they are supported... those are rebranded models (I may have to recheck yours)
<cocobean>
OEM ones
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<AlienSoldier>
I think mine is kind of a bundle with the AMD cpu of some kind. In anycase, if you can enable this i can test it.
<AlienSoldier>
what was they call this? APU or something
<cocobean>
APU....
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<AlienSoldier>
I kinda like that computer, it is in mini tower configuration but it make no heat at all.
<rennj>
HD 7000-series / Southern Islands GPUs ...that apu graphics is one of them
<AlienSoldier>
cocobean that is the file in the prevois dropbox link? Can't seem to get it, i have no drop box account. Also it seem a 64bit build, i have a 32bit install (even if the computer is probably 64).
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<AlienSoldier>
*previous
<cocobean>
Oh..... darn....
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<AlienSoldier>
ho, it finally downloaded, i needed to answer their coockie question at the bottom
<AlienSoldier>
clcikcing it seem to say i can install it (even if i see 64 in the tile). Is it safe on a 32bit install?
<cocobean>
No... 64 bit only.... I need to make package for it (x32).
<Begasus>
had no luck earlier to build it cocobean
<AlienSoldier>
I will take that for a dollar!
<cocobean>
OH? x32-specific?
<Begasus>
posted the latest error earlier here, x512[m] already did some changes to build most of it
<AlienSoldier>
NTSC C64 SWIV and native KABINI video, that would make my day.
<Begasus>
../drm/DrmInterface.cpp:9:10: fatal error: xf86drm.h: No such file or directory
<Begasus>
think that was the last one I had
<Begasus>
maybe easy fix, but build system shut down for this year :)
<cocobean>
Heh .... another round of eggnog before the nite is through...
<Begasus>
trying to stay awake, fireworks ... dogs ...
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<HaikuUser2>
hi
<andreasdr[m]>
Hi
<HaikuUser2>
Is there any solution for screen tearing?
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<AlienSoldier>
HaikuUser2 get an amiga computer :P
<AlienSoldier>
i head latest gaming consoles still have them :(
<AlienSoldier>
*heard
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<cocobean>
Need to check on accelerant
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<Begasus>
heading down, g'night peeps!
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<rennj>
hmm even with the radeongfx what about the acpi/powernow cpu throttling..took linux 4 years...my 2015 laptop in 2019 was rocking
<rennj>
prior to that closed source fglrx driver handled some of that ..laptop wall power vs batt .. http://i.imgur.com/DPQ7JyK.png
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<rennj>
same thing JEDEC is doing
<AlienSoldier>
rennj i was reading about H0ffman port of cecconoid today. Seem he goes for something similar to turrican II audio. Mixing in sofware the music and fx. He say he will get 6 channel misic and 4 channel fx that way.
<rennj>
JEDEC is also using the introduction of the DDR5 memory standard to make a fairly important change to how voltage regulation works for DIMMs. In short, voltage regulation is being moved from the motherboard to the individual DIMM, leaving DIMMs responsible for their own voltage regulation needs. This means that DIMMs will now include an integrated voltage regulator, and this goes for everything from UDIMMs to LRDIMMs. JEDEC is dubbing this "pay as you go" v
<rennj>
oltage regulation, and is aiming to improve/simplify a few different aspects of DDR5 with it.
<rennj>
"pay as you go" !!!!
<rennj>
"pay as you go" !!!!
<rennj>
intel cpu features... "pay as you go
<rennj>
you want heated seats!!! pay up
<rennj>
SaaS model/rent seeking pay as you go
<rennj>
yeah AlienSoldier retro computing scene always rocking
<rennj>
the fpga mister is the solution for all those 8,16,32bit machines up to 486core anyway
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<rennj>
i should have bought in long ago..now ill pay double in prices
<rennj>
before RMC did console motherboard/case for it
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<AlienSoldier>
it sure beat the Pi based ones
<rennj>
well pistorm upgrade for real hardware not
<rennj>
like if you had a500,a1000,a1200..etc...
<rennj>
drop in pistorm upgrade done
<AlienSoldier>
too bad FPGA companie got bought up.
<rennj>
yeah amd and intel bought companies
<rennj>
xilinx amd got..was nice grab original creators of fpga
<rennj>
its all about the luts!
<AlienSoldier>
I hate when that happen, same when meta bought occulus
<rennj>
Ross Freeman, Bernard Vonderschmitt, and James V Barnett II—all former employees of Zilog, an integrated circuit and solid-state device manufacturer—co-founded Xilinx in 1984 with headquarters in San Jose, USA.[11][14]
<rennj>
While working for Zilog, Freeman wanted to create chips that acted like a blank tape, allowing users to program the technology themselves.[14] "The concept required lots of transistors and, at that time, transistors were considered extremely precious—people thought that Ross's idea was pretty far out", said Xilinx Fellow Bill Carter, hired in 1984 to design ICs as Xilinx's eighth employee
<AlienSoldier>
or Tesla bought Maxell supercapacitors
<rennj>
yeah.
<rennj>
the industry is filled with that foo..my olpc xo-1 laptop was national semicoductors cpu
<rennj>
rebranded amd geode
<AlienSoldier>
i would not be surprised that HP dropping "The computer" based on memristor was in great part a money hat to stay low and keep current monopolies.