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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 2 commits to master [hrev56676] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=1f846c9cc5f5+%5E90e87426ac57
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 151482229c9e - system/kernel: Fix virtual / permissions
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 1f846c9cc5f5 - rootfs: Introduce permissions to virtual rootfs filesystem
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<rennj> i got old static binarys that still launch..some old ass games. heaven forbid we dont want to live in DLL hell
<rennj> nice thing about java, were as dynamic binarys..well couple of lib changes and your going to segfault
<rennj> vmware doesnt even trust the local libs and wrappers a whole set of libs at least on linux
<rennj> libgtk their version not your operating system version
<rennj> https://termbin.com/6m7f vmware libs
<rennj> and that 2019 15.1.0
<rennj> libssl vmware doesnt trust the os version..haha
<rennj> they want stable env for their x86/64 vm
<rennj> do more of the Xlibe and just wrapper stuff from opensauce/freesoftware
<rennj> they way less mucking with upstream sources
<rennj> CVE shit...
<rennj> intercept their calls and convert
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
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<netpositive> morning
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<cocobean> grabs coffee...
<Begasus> morning netpositive cocobean
<Begasus> already got mine :)
<cocobean> Hello... another week of flights being refunded (like telling people -take your money back....please!)
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<Begasus_32> libtoolize: error: serial numbers '2018.03.08' or '2010.09.24.OpenLDAP'' contain non-digit chars
<Begasus> already first error of the day (openldap) :)
<cocobean> BIND - I'll be back later to check on things.
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<LinuxUser> @Begasus hi!
<Begasus> Hi LinuxUser
<LinuxUser> @Begasus today on technology lesson there was free subject and we worked on computers and did everything that we want :)
<Begasus> Did your Haiku thing? ;)
<LinuxUser> ?
<LinuxUser> You meant that have i installed haiku on my laptop?
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<Begasus> Showed Haiku in class :)
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<LinuxUser> Nope
<LinuxUser> In fact i won't be able to download haiku image. No internet on school computer
<LinuxUser> And i hadnt free usb stick
<rennj> bestbuy/ciruitcity use to deny booting usb thumb drive on there demo units on the floor
<rennj> bestbuy/ciruitcity use to deny booting usb thumb drive on their demo units on the floor
<rennj> why have demo unit power up on floor
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<rennj> returning laptops/computers sucks..cause of driver issues
<rennj> unlocked android phone from radio shack ....android 2.x...dont you come back here with that phone
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<rennj> the store manager didnt even know about unlocked phones not tied to cell provider
<rennj> other peoples computer resources got to abide by their rules...why you get your own computer
<n0toose[m]> LinuxUser: have you tried using a virtual machine? ^^
<rennj> you mean virtualbox,vmware,xen.kvm/qemu,byhve...
<rennj> 86box emulator can do even more but is slow...emulate 3dfx card even
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<Begasus> major update on the 32bit VBox install (going from beta3 to beta4) :)
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<gingi> hi there
<gingi> i have some questions...
<gingi> for a few days ago i was reading this article and saw the video: https://www.heise.de/news/c-t-3003-Warum-ChatGPT-die-Welt-veraendern-wird-7372261.html
<gingi> its a geman jounalist whos trying chatgpt to create a website
<gingi> after all this works fine after a bit of bugfixing
<gingi> but the work does al the ki!
<gingi> could this be an approach or solution for some of your projects like haiku os?
<gingi> for some moments i asked this ki to create me a little gui-program for haiku-os in cpp and it works out of the box
<gingi> what do you mean?
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<Begasus> ps, it's Haiku, not Haiku-OS :)
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<Begasus> biab
<gingi> <Begasus> ps, it's Haiku, not Haiku-OS :) : sorry for that :)
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<Begasus> np gingi :) (just mentioning, lot's of people use it wrong) ;)
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to libusb [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/commit/d6de10d8fb64
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus d6de10d - libusb, disable static library
<botifico> [haikuports] Begasus created branch libusb - https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus deleted branch libusb
<botifico> [haikuports] Begasus deleted branch libusb - https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports
<Begasus> ok, will go through PR next time :)
<Begasus> just wanted to check this
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/90a5588b9fec...30c482e47267
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 30c482e - libusb, disable static library (#7670)
<Begasus> better :)
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±3] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/30c482e47267...f610e10a2ca5
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus f610e10 - libvpx, disable static libraries (#7671)
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/f610e10a2ca5...2326ebbcf81d
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 2326ebb - xxhash, remove static library (#7672)
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/2326ebbcf81d...36c44275a8b2
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 36c4427 - zimg, disable static library (#7673)
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<damex_> Is it possible to configure Vision to show a notificaiton when my nickname is mentioned in the chat?
<rennj> damex_, nick
<rennj> not highlighted when said?
<damex_> It got highlighted but I'm after notification popups, not highlights.
<Begasus> I get notifications when I talk to myself damex_ (copy/paste errors over)
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<damex_> Begasus, ah ok. Vision shows a notification when I get /msg'ed. I just thought it would do the same when my name is highlighted in the chat too.
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<Begasus> Works OK here in hexchat, not when I call my other self(s) Begas_32
<Begasus> k, giving up on old dtc, time to update that one I guess
<Begasus> latest builds fine at least
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<nielx[m]> Begasus: what's the policy of keeping recipes for older versions in HaikuPorts? I am thinking about cleaning up rust_bin and rust, but I am unsure what to keep and what to throw out
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<Begasus> nielx[m], I don't know how others depend on it, for things I think a cleanup should be needed I'll do that
<Begasus> One thing I keep in mind is, when something builds with gcc2 I try to keep that around
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<Begasus> Not going there atm ;) got plenty on my plate
<Begasus> But I guess the most recent can be installed, the older ones can't, so you would have to build those yourself
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<nielx[m]> yeah, I'm between cleaning it all out and keeping the latest version (rust compilers are generally good about building older code, and it is very unlikely someone needs an older compiler ever), or keeping recipes of the last versions that were tested with older betas
<Begasus> right, ps, it would only cleanup haikuports, the older packages are not in the depot, so nothing gets cleaned there (I think)?
<Begasus> nope :) https://depot.haiku-os.org/#!/pkg/rust_bin?bcguid=bc272-QSCW
<nielx[m]> Didn't know about this! Though the actual built packages are no longer there (I think we do some rigorous housekeeping to keep space requirements low)
<Begasus> on that note, if you got some time, could you check a build for libtree-sitter? (got errors earlier there)
<Begasus> yep, need to make room for texlive packages! ;)
<nielx[m]> would you like me to try building libtree-sitter?
<Begasus> yep
<Begasus> mind you, it's rust related so it will pull in some rust sources
<nielx[m]> specific PR or the one that is in the tree?
<Begasus> just the one in the tree
<Begasus> I'm not updating recipes version if not needed
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<Begasus> waddlesplash, when trying to update dtc to 1.6.1 build is ok (with some small changes), but if I look at the _devel package I see "libfdt.so" and "libfdt.a" next to each other but haikuporter doesn't give an error there?
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<Begasus> openldap and zstd almost there :)
<PulkoMandy> We don't really maintain support for older beta releases, so deleting older versions of rust seems fine
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<Begasus> bbl
<waddlesplash> Begasus: do you run prepareinstalleddevellibs?
<waddlesplash> that's what runs the check and generates an error
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<andreasdr[m]> Hi there!
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<cocobean> begasus: Just want to ensure BIND builds on x64 build bot.
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<Begasus> waddlesplash, need to check that, did you have a look at the PR?
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<Begasus> nielx[m], any luck there?
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<Begasus> cocobean, the comment works, but I think more work is needed there
<Begasus> if I type "nslookup www.google.be" here in linux it works without providing a public server
<Begasus> Don't know how this has been tested before, but nslookup should work out of the box imho
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<cocobean> If you type nslookup, then 'server 4.2.2.2' - you then then query normally until you exit. Just setting up config files on the backend.
<cocobean> Like apache.
<Begasus> I didn't need to do this on Ubuntu
<Begasus> server 4.2.2.2 is probably a specific server which shouldn't be needed
<Begasus> any way, it seems to work, if you also have to set the address to the server then probably things need some work
<cocobean> You are either querying your own server (LAN) or a remote server
<Begasus> Don't run a server here :)
<cocobean> But, I'm just focusing on it building properly now.
<cocobean> heh
<Begasus> for that, if things are the same on your side, then 32bit can be enabled as I'm having the same issue
<waddlesplash> Begasus: the ln is after the prepareInstalledDeveLib is invoked
<waddlesplash> so that's why there's no error
<Begasus> arr ...
<Begasus> it's a strange recipe all in all :(
<Begasus> back to the drawing board ...
<cocobean> Oh, I mentioned updating for x32 at a later time.
<Begasus> If you don't cocobean I'll push my changes later before merging (maybe even just disabled), I think on either arch there is a simular problem (will invesigate a 64bit build for that tomorrow)
<Begasus> As requested, most of the changes mentioned are not that hard to do, and you can still leave secondary arch disabled for that
<cocobean> Well.. this week reserved for fireplace, eggnog, and treelights
<cocobean> :D
<nielx[m]> Begasus: still building, it takes a long time (building with rust on haiku is not very efficient), but no obvious problems
<Begasus> whoot nielx[m] didn't take so long here (or you started a build later) :)
<Begasus> 2 weeks reserved for Haiku(ports) here cocobean :)
<cocobean> Just configure named.conf /resolv.conf (you'll see it on Ubuntu). I don't know Haiku's user connection scalability as a server bot.
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<Begasus> I don't either, not sure how this reacted on previous version as I didn't check there
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<Begasus> k, enough dtc for today
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/36c44275a8b2...321989c43acb
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 321989c - zstd, disable static library, link to shared libraries, import fix from Arch (#7675)
<Begasus> waddlesplash, tried a build for libXmu earlier today, that still relies on libX11, maybe link to xlibe?
<waddlesplash> many X11 libraries can only be built with the real X11
<waddlesplash> any that can be built with Xlibe should, yes
<Begasus> problem is that you can't have both installed at the same time
<waddlesplash> yes, that's on purpose
<Begasus> k, so if I want to remove the static library on those X11 ones I should link to xlibe?
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<waddlesplash> Begasus: it should happen automatically?
<waddlesplash> Xlibe already provides "devel:libx11"
<waddlesplash> if the recipes specifically require "X11_xcb" this means they don't need Xlibe, they need a real X11 server link
<waddlesplash> no recipe should require Xlibe directly, they should all require "lib:libx11"
<waddlesplash> or, if really necessary, "libx11_xcb"
<Begasus_32> Initialized empty Git repository in /Opslag/haikuports/x11-libs/libxmu/work-1.1.3/sources/libXmu-1.1.3/.git/
<Begasus_32> Fetching package for devel:libx11 ...
<Begasus> then it errors out
<Begasus_32> Error: unable to resolve required packages for build for libxmu-1.1.3
<Begasus_32> Error: dependency-infos:
<Begasus_32> Error: /Opslag/haikuports/repository/libxmu-1.1.3.DependencyInfo
<Begasus_32> Error: /Opslag/haikuports/repository/libxmu_debuginfo-1.1.3.DependencyInfo
<Begasus_32> Error: /Opslag/haikuports/repository/libxmu_devel-1.1.3.DependencyInfo
<Begasus_32> Error: repositories:
<Begasus_32> Error: ['/Opslag/haikuports/packages', '/boot/system/packages']
<waddlesplash> install xlibe_devel
<Begasus> it's installed
<waddlesplash> probably the cause is that it really wants X11_xcb
<Begasus> I don't have libX11 installed
<waddlesplash> no you do
<waddlesplash> libx11 is provided by xlibe package
<waddlesplash> this looks like it should be buildable against Xlibe. In fact I'm pretty sure I have
<waddlesplash> so, the error must have some other cause, idk
<waddlesplash> since it says "Fetching package for..." it probably is trying to run pkgman to install something
<waddlesplash> so, why doesn't it see the system installed xlibe_devel if you have that?
<waddlesplash> try running that: "pkgman install devel:libx11" and see what happens
<Begasus> hence my question
<Begasus_32> problem 1: nothing provides lib:libcheck>=0.0.0 needed by libxcb-1.13.1-1
<Begasus> libcheck is installed
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<waddlesplash> looks like it's trying to install the "real" libx11, from libxcb
<Begasus> that one isn't installed here
<waddlesplash> yes, well, that's the apparent problem
<waddlesplash> so the question is why is it trying to do that?
<Begasus> I'll leave that up to you for now :)
<waddlesplash> well this works here
<waddlesplash> is xlibe_devel really installed?
<Begasus> yep, version 0.2.0-1
<waddlesplash> *** Failed to find a match for "xlibe_devel": Name not found
<waddlesplash> Begasus: xlibe isn't built for gcc2
<waddlesplash> that's the problem
<waddlesplash> I don't think we need to provide these things on gcc2 so it doesn't matter
<Begasus> ARCHITECTURES="all !x86_gcc2"
<Begasus> so it wasn't enabled
<waddlesplash> yeah and it can't be
<waddlesplash> needs new C++ features not on gcc2
<x512[m]> I see no meaning in compiling gcc2 executables except dependencies of Haiku gcc2 API libraries and add-ons.
<Begasus> k, I'll leave the PR for that hanning for now, but I guess some others in that area will suffer the same
<Begasus> x512[m], it's disabled for gcc2, so not an issue there
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<Begasus> k, in the meantime zstd is fine, openldap will be for tomorrow :)
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<Begasus> grabbing some food, cu later*
<AlienSoldier> can't launch epiphany-web with 56676. it crash right away and report say unable to retreive disasembly for IP.... no debug info available for boot/system/...../libglib-2.0.so.0.7500.0'.
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<AlienSoldier> that is a 32bit install btw
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to icu67 [+0/-0/±4] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/0dec04e947e8...ac27ab22f093
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy ac27ab2 - icu: enable icu67 for all non-gcc2 architectures
<AlienSoldier> ho, and that acer aspire one still don't shutdown, screen stay black with power on.
<AlienSoldier> also still have that LCD psycadellic effect when going from bootup icon to blue desktop. Nothing seem to have changed much from june 2021 on that computer (the last update it had).
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<damex_> Can someone point me to an example of how to use media add-ons in code? I'm interested in using http_streamer but don't know how.
<AlienSoldier> the ZG5 only have 512MB. Could epiphany launch if this the only app? In any case if this was a memory issue the OS should mention it?
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<AlienSoldier> will try to update my toshiba, this one has at least 1G
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<AlienSoldier> hummm, 496M used on the toshiba with the haiku site loaded. Must not be it. Only thing i did different is to reboot after the update before instaling epiphany. Will try to uninstall it on the aspire one and reinstalling after a reboot.
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<AlienSoldier> And that was it, it now start
<AlienSoldier> We need a mechanism that check if the user install new app after an OS update stating that they can't install anything new until a reboot or somehow queu the activation of such package to be done only when the system is able to receive them. That or this is a per package problem and the epiphany and it's webkit need to be fixed to play friendly.
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<PulkoMandy> damex_: usually you don't use it directly, just create a BMediaFile by passing a BUrl to the constructor, it will handle the add-ons for you internally
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<damex_> PulkoMandy, thanks, I'll give it a go.
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<x512[m]> Something weird happening: shared library finalizer is called twice when calling dlclose.
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<Vidrep_64> Hi
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<x512[m]> Seems runtime_loader bug.
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<BrunoSpr> hi all
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<x512[m]> Another runtime_loader bug: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/18182.
<x512[m]> This bugs cause OpenGL applications crashes on exit when using libglvnd.
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<Anarchos> how go the bug hunting for beta 4 ?
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<Sark> Huh. Haiku box locked up good - does it do any continual checking or care that the monitor/keyboad/mouse got unplugged for the day? Plugged them all back in, black screen, keyboard unresponsive, even the caps lock light wouldn't toggle.
<Sark> Obviously it could have been any number of things, I had a lot of stuff running at the time, etc. Just interesting, and I wonder if leaving the monitor off for so long confused it?
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<Anarchos> Sark i had same on a 4-core i3
<Anarchos> Sark i think it goes to a sleep mode, and never goes out of it